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1. 01:26 AM - Re: GPS (Michel Verheughe)
2. 02:48 AM - Gap seals (Dave G.)
3. 04:44 AM - Re: Gap seals (Harold Lanfear)
4. 06:27 AM - Flyingboat Festival (David Dawe)
5. 06:29 AM - Happy Valentines Day (Peter Graichen)
6. 06:43 AM - Re: Re: Gap seals (Kenneth and Alice Jones)
7. 07:30 AM - Re: GPS. WAS: ASIs (Michael Gibbs)
8. 07:45 AM - Re: Need airport access ideas...help (Tom Jones)
9. 08:08 AM - Rudder trim (Floyd Johnson)
10. 08:10 AM - Re: Re: GPS (Lynn Matteson)
11. 08:56 AM - Re: Need airport access ideas...help (84KF)
12. 09:41 AM - Re: Re: Need airport access ideas...help (Guy Buchanan)
13. 10:14 AM - Re: Re: Need airport access ideas...help (GONER752@aol.com)
14. 10:26 AM - Re: Gap seals (Harold Lanfear)
15. 10:44 AM - Re: Re: Coordinated turns to base and final (Rueb, Duane)
16. 05:30 PM - Re: Re: Coordinated turns to base and final (Noel Loveys)
17. 07:02 PM - Trailering (helicop)
18. 08:23 PM - Re: Trailering (Guy Buchanan)
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On Feb 14, 2007, at 1:14 AM, Noel Loveys wrote:
> As for the sextant... If you have a good clear sky.... If you have a
> good
> watch then at least you don't need batteries :-)
Not quite so, my friend, because you will need batteries for your
calculator! :-)
But the analogy with the GPS is interesting. If you shoot several stars
with the sextant, you want to use those who have a certain angle
between them so that your lines of position intercept in a favourable
way.
It is the same with the GPS, the accuracy of the position is determined
by the number of satellites visible and their relative angles. If the
software thinks it's not good enough, it will display something like:
"Bad geometry!" and you may need to wait several minutes before new
satellites come over the acceptable "horizon."
As for Bin Laden, don't worry, the Selective Availability (SA) is still
there - although not in use since 1999 - and it can be switched on at
any time for non-NATO receivers.
Jim, yes the WAAS is via satellites and we, the Europeans, shouldn't
complain; we already get the GPS for free. Thanks America! So, it's
about time we chip in with the Galileo project.
Cheers,
Michel
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I haven't got to the point of needing to worry about this yet. Progress
fixing my aircraft has been far slower than I planned, so I guess it's going
normally. Anyway, the posts about building complicated gap seals made me
wonder about the simple gap seal that were on my tail surfaces. The builder
had simply used 4" pinked tape on the gaps. How effective would that be?
I've seen it used on other aircraft.
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I saw several references to gap seals and thought I'd add my 2 cents with an easy
idea from a friend of mine who helping with my construction. I use two pieces
of clear plastic packaging tape. One piece is turned over and overlaps the
second piece by about 1/3 of the width - you then end up with a 'gap seal' about
4" wide with a stickly surface on opposite sides that will adhere to the
top of the elevator and bottom of the rudder.
I've used this on my KF4 since day one and only replace one piece in 670 hours.
The piece I did replace came off easily and the adhesive cleaned up easily with
a little mineral spirits. Since its clear, the paint color and trim isn't
disturbed.
Best way to prepare this is to pull off a piece of tape about 4" longer than needed
and lightly tape it 'sticky side up' to a flat surface. I used the fuselage
behind the turtledeck. Carefully stick the second piece to the first; lift
up and trim the ends to length. The only difficult part is threading it through
the gap without sticking it to something.
I don't use it on my rudder since I built in balsa extensions during construction
to fill 90% of the gap. These were fabric covered along with the rudder.
Hope this helps. BTW, I used the cheap Chinese tape which held up at least as
good as 'name brand' stuff during outdoor weather testing for 6 months while I
was building.
--------
Kitfox 660+ Hrs, RV-8 70% done/ 90% to go!
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| Subject: | Flyingboat Festival |
FYI
www.flyingboatfestival.ca
> From: noelloveys@yahoo.ca> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com> Subject: RE: Ki
tfox-List: GPS. WAS: ASIs> Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 18:28:55 -0330> > --> Kit
fox-List message posted by: "Noel Loveys" <noelloveys@yahoo.ca>> > I guess
you can't believe everything you are told. That includes the GPS> constella
tions being geostationary. The site says it is a 12 hr orbit.> They don't g
o into accuracies or more directly inaccuracies in any specific> part of th
e world. After all you really don't want Bin Laden's crew using> GPS agains
t yourself.> > Noel> > > > > -----Original Message-----> > From: owner-kitf
ox-list-server@matronics.com > > [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics
.com] On Behalf Of > > Guy Buchanan> > Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2007 3:3
5 AM> > To: kitfox-list@matronics.com> > Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: GPS. WAS
ere.com>> > > > At 06:01 PM 2/12/2007, you wrote:> > >All satellites in the
GPS constellation are in geostationary > > orbit. By> > >definition that m
eans they must also be directly over the > > equator. The> > >further away
form the equator you are the greater the angle > > of incidence of> > >any
signal reaching your receiver. The greater the angle of > > incidence the>
> >greater the possibility of error both vertical and horizontal.> > > > GP
S orbit altitude: 10,988 nautical miles (Geo is about > > 22,300 statute mi
les.)> > > > Ref: http://www.losangeles.af.mil/smc/pa/fact_sheets/gps_fs.ht
m> > > > > > Guy Buchanan> > K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 100% done, thanks m
===========> > >
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| Subject: | Happy Valentines Day |
Got about two feet of snow last night and it is still snowing. Happy
Valentines Day to all.
Actual exchanges between pilots and control towers
Tower: "Delta 351, you have traffic at 10 o'clock, 6 miles!"
Delta 351: "Give us another hint! We have digital watches!"
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Tower: "TWA 2341, for noise abatement turn right 45 Degrees."
TWA 2341: "Centre, we are at 35,000 feet. How much noise can we make up
here?"
Tower: "Sir, have you ever heard the noise a 747 makes when it hits a 727?"
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>From an unknown aircraft waiting in a very long takeoff queue: "I'm f...ing
bored!"
Ground Traffic Control: "Last aircraft transmitting, identify yourself
immediately!"
Unknown aircraft: "I said I was f..ing bored, not f...ing stupid!"
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O'Hare Approach Control to a 747: "United 329 heavy, your traffic is a
Fokker, one o'clock, three miles, Eastbound."
United 329: "Approach, I've always wanted to say this..I've got the little
Fokker in sight."
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A student became lost during a solo cross-country flight. While attempting
to locate the aircraft on radar, ATC asked, "What was your last known
position?"
Student: "When I was number one for takeoff."
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A DC-10 had come in a little hot and thus had an exceedingly long roll out
after touching down.
San Jose Tower Noted: American 751, make a hard right turn at the end of the
runway, if you are able. If you are not able, take the Guadeloupe exit off
Highway 101, make a right at the lights and return to the airport."
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A Pan Am 727 flight, waiting for start clearance in Munich , overheard the
following:
Lufthansa (in German): " Ground, what is our start clearance time?"
Ground (in English): "If you want an answer you must speak in English."
Lufthansa (in English): "I am a German, flying a German airplane, in
Germany. Why must I speak English?"
Unknown voice from another plane (in a beautiful British accent):"Because
you lost the bloody war!"
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Tower: "Eastern 702, cleared for takeoff, contact Departure on frequency
124.7"
Eastern 702: "Tower, Eastern 702 switching to Departure. By the way,after we
lifted off we saw some kind of dead animal on the far end of the runway."
Tower: "Continental 635, cleared for takeoff behind Eastern 702, contact
Departure on frequency 124.7. Did you copy that report from Eastern 702?"
BR Continental 635: "Continental 635, cleared for takeoff, roger; and yes,
we copied Eastern... we've already notified our caterers."
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*************************
One day the pilot of a Cherokee 180 was told by the tower to hold short of
the active runway while a DC-8 landed. The DC-8 landed, rolled out, turned
around, and taxied back past the Cherokee. Some quick-witted comedian in the
DC-8 crew got on the radio and said, "What a cute little plane. Did you make
it all by yourself?"
The Cherokee pilot, not about to let the insult go by, came back with a real
zinger: "I made it out of DC-8 parts. Another landing like yours and I'll
have enough parts for another one."
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The German air controllers at Frankfurt Airport are renowned as a
short-tempered lot. They not only expect one to know one's gate parking
location, but how to get there without any assistance from them. So it was
with some amusement that we (a Pan Am 747) listened to the following
exchange between Frankfurt ground control and a British Airways 747, call
sign Speedbird 206.
Speedbird 206: " Frankfurt , Speedbird 206! clear of active runway."
Ground: "Speedbird 206. Taxi to gate Alpha One-Seven."
The BA 747 pulled onto the main taxiway and slowed to a stop.
Ground: "Speedbird, do you not know where you are going?"
Speedbird 206: "Stand by, Ground, I'm looking up our gate location now."
Ground (with quite arrogant impatience): "Speedbird 206, have you not been
to Frankfurt before?"
Speedbird 206 (coolly): "Yes, twice in 1944, but it was dark, -- And I
didn't land."
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While taxiing at London 's Gatwick Airport , the crew of a US Air flight
departing for Ft. Lauderdale made a wrong turn and came nose to nose with a
United 727. An irate female ground controller lashed out at the US Air crew,
screaming: "US Air 2771, where the hell are you going? I told you to turn
right onto Charlie taxiway! You turned right on Delta! Stop right there. I
know it's difficult for you to tell the difference between C and D, but get
it right!"
Continuing her rage to the embarrassed crew, she was now shouting
hysterically: "God! Now you've screwed everything up! It 'll take forever to
sort this out! You stay right there and don't move till I tell you to! You
can expect progressive taxi instructions in about half an hour, and I want
you to go exactly where I tell you, when I tell you, and how I tell you! You
got that, US Air 2771?"
"Yes, ma'am," the humbled crew responded.
Naturally, the ground control communications frequency fell terribly silent
after the verbal bashing of US Air 2771. Nobody wanted to chance engaging
the irate ground controller in her current state of mind. Tension in every
cockpit out around Gatwick was definitely running high.
Just then an unknown pilot broke the silence and keyed his microphone,
asking: "Wasn't I married to you once?"
Peter Graichen
<http:/home.neo.rr.com/n10pg/kitfox.htm>
http:/home.neo.rr.com/n10pg/kitfox.htm
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Mr. Lanfear: Am I missing something or did you misspeak? Did you mean to
say "top of the elevator and bottom of the horizontal stabilizer"?
----- Original Message -----
From: "Harold Lanfear" <hlanfear@verizon.net>
Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2007 7:44 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Gap seals
>
> I saw several references to gap seals and thought I'd add my 2 cents with
> an easy idea from a friend of mine who helping with my construction. I
> use two pieces of clear plastic packaging tape. One piece is turned over
> and overlaps the second piece by about 1/3 of the width - you then end up
> with a 'gap seal' about 4" wide with a stickly surface on opposite sides
> that will adhere to the top of the elevator and bottom of the rudder.
>
> I've used this on my KF4 since day one and only replace one piece in 670
> hours. The piece I did replace came off easily and the adhesive cleaned
> up easily with a little mineral spirits. Since its clear, the paint color
> and trim isn't disturbed.
>
> Best way to prepare this is to pull off a piece of tape about 4" longer
> than needed and lightly tape it 'sticky side up' to a flat surface. I
> used the fuselage behind the turtledeck. Carefully stick the second piece
> to the first; lift up and trim the ends to length. The only difficult
> part is threading it through the gap without sticking it to something.
>
> I don't use it on my rudder since I built in balsa extensions during
> construction to fill 90% of the gap. These were fabric covered along with
> the rudder.
>
> Hope this helps. BTW, I used the cheap Chinese tape which held up at
> least as good as 'name brand' stuff during outdoor weather testing for 6
> months while I was building.
>
> --------
> Kitfox 660+ Hrs, RV-8 70% done/ 90% to go!
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=94951#94951
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: GPS. WAS: ASIs |
Noel sez:
>I guess you can't believe everything you are told.
That's because so many people just make stuff up and/or repeat stuff
without taking 5 minutes to learn how it really works. Google is
probably the most incredible educational tool ever invented and
that's not even what it's for! If everyone made a quick visit to
<http://www.snopes.com> or <http://www.howstuffworks.com> before
speaking up... oh well, it won't happen. :-)
>...They don't go into accuracies or more directly inaccuracies in
>any specific part of the world. After all you really don't want Bin
>Laden's crew using GPS against yourself.
That's what Selective Availability (SA) is for. The U.S. military
can degrade GPS accuracy with a flip of a switch and their own
receivers can compensate. On the other hand, even at the degraded
accuracy the bad guys will still get pretty close to you...
Mike G.
N728KF
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| Subject: | Re: Need airport access ideas...help |
> Sounds like you have a very nice airport manager and will be able to work something
out. Going to the Airport Commission might surprise you how slooow things
can happen in government. If you convince the advisory board then they must
put the business on the agenda and publish the agenda and then their recommendations
can be sent to the City council who can then send it to their legal council
who can then return it with amendments and then if it doesn't have to be
reconsidered because of the feelings of some local pilots feeling of fairness
then you might get the change in a few months...probably in time for next (2008)
summers flying season.
You are right about the slowness Jim. I went to the county on Jan. 12th to ask
for a gate key figureing there might be a security check or such that might take
a couple weeks. Instead of getting a key I was told I could go to the next
Airport Advisory board meeting scheduled for Feb. 13 and give input on the Key
policy. I told the airport manager I would be there. I went to the meeting
last night to find an empty conference room. The meeting was canceled due to
lack of agenda items. Crap, I guess I was the only agenda item but not important
enough to be notified the meeting was cancelled. I'll quit wineing now.
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Rudder trim:
A neat trick I learned from Graham Loucks in the UK, was to attach a 1/4 inch diameter
bungy cord to the rudder pedal.
I use a sailboat "line lock" to grip and hold the cord in position . The two cams
just lock it in position. I can set my trim infinitely
It requires a small pully on the firewall in front of the rudder pedal and I attached
the "line lock" to the bottom edge of my instrument panel. Need more rudder?
Pull the bungy tighter. Need less? Pop it out of the lock and back in and
retighten it.
It is very simple and effective.
.
Floyd Johnson
kitfox69@earthlink.net
EarthLink Revolves Around You.
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I don't mind coughing up some scratch for the Windoze...where is it
available? Comp USA? I've got one of those within 35 miles...I'll
call 'em. And I do have a PowerPC...a 700MHz PowerPC G4 with 384 MB
SDRAM (don't have clue what all this means, but that's what "About
this Mac" tells me. : ) ) If getting Windoze gets me into the
Windows world, even at a snails pace, (I'm on dialup) it's better
than hearing you guys all rave about the latest video that Dave (or
others) put up. : )
About the call to Garmin....the guy who/whom/ I spoke to might have
been one of those "bell answerers" and not have been up to
speed....I'll email the tech support address with the same question
and see if the answer is the same.
Lynn
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On Feb 14, 2007, at 12:25 AM, Michael Gibbs wrote:
> <MichaelGibbs@cox.net>
>
> Lynn sez:
>
>> I put in my tail number but [FlightAware] couldn't find it...I
>> only had to squawk/ident once during a recent flight, and that was
>> on 1200, so I guess that doesn't count.
>
> Yeah, it only works when you have a discrete transponder code
> assigned, such as when you are receiving en-route flight-following,
> radar service at a "big" airport, or are IFR. 1200 doesn't show
> up, even if you were asked to ident.
>
>> My 296 unit is supposed to be capable of downloading data recorded...
>
> My understanding was that Garmin was working on Mac versions of all
> of their software, not just new products, but you've called them
> and I haven't. :-) You would think that what basically amounts to
> some text transferred over USB would be pretty straightforward, but
> who knows?
>
> If you don't feel like waiting, there are a number of options for
> running (ewww) Windoze on your Mac. PowerPC Macs can run
> Microsoft's VirtualPC (not fast, but I've used it successfully for
> some other device control purposes) while Intel Macs can use Boot
> Camp or Parallels Desktop (fast and capable). The downside to
> either solution is that you have to cough up some $$$ for a copy of
> Windoze.
>
> Mike G.
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Need airport access ideas...help |
This is what you need to read and understand...and let the "authorities" know you
have a copy and are familiar with it. It states your right to airportairfield
access (within reason naturally)
FAA Advisory Circular No: 150/5190-6
Subject: EXCLUSIVE RIGHTS AT FEDERALLY-OBLIGATED AIRPORTS
http://www.faa.gov/airports_airtraffic/airports/resources/advisory_circulars/index.cfm?template=Document_Listing&Keyword=150/5190-6&DocumentSelected=1
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| Subject: | Re: Need airport access ideas...help |
At 07:44 AM 2/14/2007, you wrote:
>The meeting was canceled due to lack of agenda items. Crap, I guess
>I was the only agenda item but not important enough to be notified
>the meeting was cancelled. I'll quit wineing now.
No! No! Now is when you should start wineing! I'd suggest starting
with a glass of Chardonnay, then cracking a couple bottles of good
Pinot Noir and killing them off with a friend. When you've finished
that, you can each down a half-liter bottle of botrytis dessert wine
and cap it all with two or three glasses of Gran Marnier. The
resulting hang-over should put all your problems nicely in perspective.
Guy Buchanan
K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 100% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar.
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| Subject: | Re: Need airport access ideas...help |
When I added my 2 cents about the federal funding and security mandates, it
seems I was all wet on that. A
little education is a great thing.Now, I am no lawyer, but after reading
that AC, it seems that federal funding actually mandates public
accessibility,providing you don't represent a safety issue,which the airport entity
would
have to prove to the FAA and/or local fsdo. Which, of course, for what you are
looking to do, wouldn't be. If I were in Tom's shoes, I would definitely have
a copy of this in hand. Good call Steve. Anyway,that's my 4 cents worth. :- )
Greg Gerace
375KL
Mod 2
582
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Whoops! That would be an interest trick, if you could get it there. Thanks for
bringing this out.
Yes; of course, it should be Horz Stab to Elevator. Whichever is top and bottom
is your choice although I've put the leading edge of the tape on the bottom
of the Horz Stab and the trailing edge on the top of the elevator. If a piece
doesn't seal well on the leading edge, you can add a short piece of tape to assist
holding it firm and nobody will know [Wink]
I don't know of any reason this won't work on the rudder / Vert Stab gap as well.
Harold
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Kitfox 660+ Hrs, RV-8 70% done/ 90% to go!
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| Subject: | Re: Coordinated turns to base and final |
Yes, that is fun!
Duane
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of kitfoxmike
Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2007 2:52 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Coordinated turns to base and final
I really like doing short approaches, today I was practicing all kinds
of things, one of which is where I turn base to final up higher and
short, while on the base to final I leave in the left bank and just put
in right rudder and slip down to the runway, way fun.
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kitfoxmike
model IV, 1200
speedster
912ul
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| Subject: | Re: Coordinated turns to base and final |
I have the wheels and skis with the plane and the way things are going I may
never actually get to use them. I am expecting to go back to work in Gander
in the near future. If that happens I'll bring the plane over there and
using the hangar hoists changing over from floats to wheels and back will be
easy.
As it is right now I have to hoist the plane with block and tackle strung
form rafters in my garage. Changing from floats to wheels is a couple of
hours work. Changing back takes considerably longer. It takes time to get
all the mounting pins in and get the floats properly squared, not to mention
levelling the plane laterally.
This all means that my next landing in the 'Fox on a runway or strip will be
my first. Floats just fit this country for most of the year. The problem
with doing a forced approach around here is how far will you have to walk
to the next cabin (if you are on floats) on wheels you may well be SOL.
Noel
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
> kitfoxmike
> Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2007 9:19 PM
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Coordinated turns to base and final
>
>
> <customtrans@qwest.net>
>
> Noel,
> To help you feel better, once you get close to flairing, you
> DO NOT want to have a centered ball, you look out the window
> and square the airplane to the landing spot, for you it's an
> emaginary line on your flight path. Centering your ball on
> landing can and will put you into a ground loop if not
> corrected fast enough, and if using the round donuts you can
> wear them out faster than you should. I have about 2000
> landings on my tires and they still look good.
>
> Next on take off you use right rudder for taking off to keep
> squared but on lift off I generally let the ball go to the
> right off center just a tad so that you don't end up flying
> off to the right, very desasterous when you have a parallel
> runway, like I do. I see it all the time, a plane takes off
> and vears to the right, they are holding center on the ball,
> It's bad enough that the nose is pitched up and you can't see
> in front of you, to find out that tower is holding traffic on
> the right runway because people generally drift over to the
> right after taking off on the left runway. I find that
> letting the ball go to the right a little and the nose of the
> airplane to yaw to the left puts the airplane on a nice
> straight path out off the runway.
>
> hope this helps.
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> kitfoxmike
> model IV, 1200
> speedster
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I know this has been somewhat discussed before, and from what I have read, I still
have questions. Does anyone have any experience trailering their Kitfox for
longer distances especially on interstates, and frequently. In the next year
or so, I am going to be traveling alot, and I want to take the Kitfox that
I buy along with me. I have seen several of the open modified boat trailers that
have been in use, but I am going to be hauling longer than just to the airport
and home. I have thought that I really want an enclosed trailer to better
protect the airplane, especially from vandalism, and the elements. I am planning
on buying a Series 5, and I understand that it is a very tight fit in a
8ft 6in wide trailer, along with the heigth. I would really appreciate it if
any of you with the vast wealth of knowledge that I have seen, can give me some
input.
Thank you and remember to pull back to make the people look smaller, and push forward
to make them look bigger.
Gary
Helicop
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At 07:01 PM 2/14/2007, you wrote:
>I am planning on buying a Series 5, and I understand that it is a
>very tight fit in a 8ft 6in wide trailer, along with the heigth. I
>would really appreciate it if any of you with the vast wealth of
>knowledge that I have seen, can give me some input.
I have a IV I store in a toy box. It's the widest one I could find
here in SoCal it my K-IV fits with 1/4" to spare each side. (The
wings are the pacing item.)
We get this question a lot. I'm going to try to put together a Wiki
on Kitfox trailering.
Guy Buchanan
K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 100% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar.
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