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1. 04:25 AM - test-disregard (fox5flyer)
2. 06:04 AM - Re: Trailering (Floyd Johnson)
3. 07:07 AM - Trailer Info (Floyd Johnson)
4. 07:42 AM - Re: Trailering (Tom Jones)
5. 08:27 AM - Re: Annual Condition Inspection Check list (akflyer)
6. 08:51 AM - Emailing: Inspection Checklist- Airplane (Clem Nichols)
7. 10:41 AM - Wheels with Brakes now available for the 8" King Fox tires (Kevin Ridsdale)
8. 11:07 AM - Re: changing thread names etc (Tom Jones)
9. 01:04 PM - GSC Propeller (Barry West)
10. 01:13 PM - Re: Re: Trailering (kirk hull)
11. 01:51 PM - Re: GSC Propeller (kurt schrader)
12. 02:15 PM - Re: Coordinated turns to base and final (Rueb, Duane)
13. 02:35 PM - Re: GSC Propeller (Noel Loveys)
14. 02:51 PM - changing thread names etc (fox5flyer)
15. 03:51 PM - Re: GSC Propeller (D. Fisher)
16. 04:34 PM - Re: GSC Propeller (Don Smythe)
17. 05:01 PM - Re: GSC Propeller (TC)
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One of the most important things to do when trailering your KitFox is to take
the weight off the tailwheel. I don't know if this has been suggested recently,
but the bouncing of the trailer places many more "G's" on the fusalage than
a hard landing.
I built my own trailer and installed two steel straps back where the tubes go thru
to either side. I made them long enough to take the strain off the tailwheel
and run a long 1/4inch bolt thru with a wingnut to secure it. It is simple
and does the job well.
If anyone is interested, I'll provide some pictures. I can also provide photos
of the trailer with some details should anyone care to build their own. It is
open, but capable of trailering my plane, a MOD IV 1200, on wheels, skis, and
floats.
Regards, Floyd
----- Original Message -----
From: david yeamans
Sent: 2/18/2007 11:13:36 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Trailering
Rexinator,
I'm glad you replied. I was strongly inclined to do so. some time
ago on the foxlist, can't remember who it was, but someone moved and
hauled his Kitfox in a uhall truck to there new home. when they arrived
he opened the truck, and his kitfox was the same as demolished.
Before loading the kitfox, he swung the wings back, fasten them to
the stand-offs rolled it up in the truck and away he went. All that bouncing
for a long hall, and all that leverage on the wings took it toll, along with
other over torqued stress on the rest of the airplane. A boat trailer
would have been the safest.
i moved my Kitfox from the lake of the ozarks at Osage beach, Mo.
to pleasanto, Ks, 150 mile away. I hauled my fusealage on a Bob cat
trailer mounted on blocks of styrofoam, and had my wings laying on
ropes streched tight just below the ceiling of a uhall truck. When I arrived,
everything was OK.
Becareful when tranporting your airplane, you can do more damage
than you realize.
David , Kitfox IV 1200
, Rotax, 912 UL
From: Rexinator
Sent: Friday, February 16, 2007 7:00 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Trailering
Maybe I'm guilty of stating the obvious, but I haven't noticed yet this
time around that anyone mentioned the risk of G loads from the
suspension on a heavy duty trailer. A lightly loaded heavy duty
suspension will give a rough ride for your airplane. A trailer that is
truly custom designed to carry a relatively light weight but large bulky
load such as our Kitfoxes should have the axle suspension rated for the
weight of the load plus some small percent, say 10%. You should factor
in other things you may regularly carry with the aircraft. Fuel tanks
plus fuel and tools for instance. I would think of trailering like
flying at gross weight into potentially very rough weather.
I have an open car carrier rated to 6,000 lbs, but I am careful to
travel over smooth roads and go very slow where there are rough
surfaces. I also reduced air pressure in the trailer and gear tires. My
ratcheting cargo straps were many with just a little slack to allow the
gear to absorb shock loads as well.
Since you should want an enclosed trailer you will also want to secure
the airplane so that it can not jostle around inside and bang against
the enclosure. Thus a properly rated suspension is more essential for
the long trips. I think I read somewhere that a pothole can easily
transmit over 12 G's through your suspension which of course WILL cause
damage if it gets to the airframe. I would imagine an adjustable air
suspension would work best. Tandem axles on a trailer gives a much
smoother ride. The point is to consider the suspension when deciding on
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OK Guys,
I'll get some pictures of my trailer to you as soon as I can dig it out of the
snow. It is supposed to warm up here this weekend, so I'll make an effort to
take pictures and send them to you. Regards, Floyd
Floyd Johnson
kitfox69@earthlink.net
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Floyd, I would like to see the pictures of your trailer. I am pondering how to
build the tail support now so that would be of special interest to me.
thanks, Tom Jones
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| Subject: | Re: Annual Condition Inspection Check list |
Lowel,
If you can scan it in (your current check list) and email or fax it to me, I can
clean it up, make a PDF of it and anyone would be able to download a clean PDF
for future use. I would have to get it done before I head back home from work
at the end of the day tomorrow.
I have scanned in the entire Avid build manual and have that in PDF format also.
If someone has a kitfox manual, they can send it to me and I can PDF it for
all to be able to use if need be..
Just an offer...
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Leni
Avid C W/582
1260 full lotus
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| Subject: | Emailing: Inspection Checklist- Airplane |
Here is a sample checklist you may find helpful. It was provided by
Mike Huffman of Sport Aviation Specialties, an ELSA DAR.
Clem Nichols
The message is ready to be sent with the following file or link
attachments:
Inspection Checklist- Airplane
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| Subject: | Wheels with Brakes now available for the 8" King Fox tires |
Good news
The wait is finaly over the wheels for the 8" King Fox tires for Mippi are now
available. It comes with an external caliper brake that is rated at 2200 in-lbs
at 450 PSI. /It used 1.25 inch taper roller bearings on each wheel it is
rated for 750 lbs static load with a 3G overload ultimate load.
Cost is $295.75 each plus shipping.
send your inquiries to MiPPi Ultralights 734-377-2670 or
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| Subject: | Re: changing thread names etc |
I read the list on the internet http://forums.matronics.com/viewforum.php?f=8&sid=ab1531ee468c5f957cadfc1a88256cd1 so I don't have to start and stop the email subscription when I travel. I have come to prefer this method over the emails because this is so easy and well organized. Some aspects of this system do continue to be somewhat of a mystery to me though.
My question is to those that read the email versions. Are my replies coming with
a topic heading? Can you easily tell what topic I am replying to? Do I need
to do something different to make life easier for those trying to follow the
threads I reply to?
Tom Jones, computer neyophite
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I would be remiss if I did not make other owners of GSC props aware of
this. I think the people at GSC are good competent people and don't
want to say nor do anything to hurt their business but feel I must get
this message out.
Yesterday I took off from the airport and right after leveling at 2500
all three blades departed the hub. I landed the 912 S powered Kitfox
with out any problems. This was an updated three blade with the
aluminum bases and a bolt going through the aluminum base and the wood
blade. The blades came out clean, leaving wood on the barbs of the
bases, on the long wood screws that ran parallel to the blades and a
chunk of wood behind each bolt.
There was a big bump when it occurred and the engine was definitely
moved within the mounts but seems to have returned to its original
position. One carb came out of its socket and this is probably what
kept the engine from over revving.
I have already communicated with Lockwood and GSC and will speak to John
McBean soon.
Barry West
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I set up the tail support to be a stand for the tail to sit in. this way
the tail spring helps cushion out some of the bumps.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tom Jones
Sent: Monday, February 19, 2007 9:41 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Trailering
Floyd, I would like to see the pictures of your trailer. I am pondering how
to build the tail support now so that would be of special interest to me.
thanks, Tom Jones
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| Subject: | Re: GSC Propeller |
Thanks for the info Barry. Glad you are still here to
tell us. Someone is definately looking out for you,
besides the expert airmenship too.
Kurt S.
--- Barry West <barry@pgtc.com> wrote:
.........
> Yesterday I took off from the airport and right
> after leveling at 2500 all three blades departed the
> hub..............
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| Subject: | Coordinated turns to base and final |
Lynn:
Yes, you are cross controlling in the pattern when you do a slip
on approach. A forward slip will have you crossing the most, a side
slip the least.
The critical factor here is air speed and proficiency. What the
books that say never do this mean, is never do this until you have
gained enough proficiency to do it with the understanding that air speed
is involved and must be maintained at a level sufficiently above stall
to avoid one. Now, normally when we do these on approach, we have an
excess of altitude, so that air speed is probably also a little high.
Stalling near the ground is the worst maneuver that we could do there,
and one of the best to practice at a safe altitude for the purpose of
both recognizing how they happen, and to practice the best recovery
techniques.
Since we are usually taught to fly coordinated first, the books
tend to emphasize this, and make it seem that one would never do
otherwise. What they should say, is not to do any un-coordinated
maneuver near the ground unless you are proficient enough to understand
how to do so safely. Some aircraft are better than others at doing
cross control maneuvers, and may be restricted to flap settings when
crossing.
Practice these at altitude so you understand how your plane
behaves before doing them on an approach.
Duane Rueb
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Lynn
Matteson
Sent: Monday, February 12, 2007 12:10 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Coordinated turns to base and final
Isn't a slip a cross-control? And if I'm doing it on final, because I
came in too high, am I not in the pattern?
Lynn
On Feb 12, 2007, at 11:44 AM, Guy Buchanan wrote:
> It's interesting how the books warn, "DON'T CROSS CONTROL IN THE
> PATTERN!" But they don't say why you would be cross controlled in
> the pattern in the first place. Clem has given the perfect example;
> it's often caused by descending turns, and how they feel different
> than level turns.
>
> Guy Buchanan
> K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 100% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar.
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I know if it were me I would need the seat pads in the plane replaced too.
Don't bother playing the lottery for a while.... You've used up a fair
supply of good luck!
Noel
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
> kurt schrader
> Sent: Monday, February 19, 2007 6:21 PM
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: GSC Propeller
>
>
> <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
>
> Thanks for the info Barry. Glad you are still here to
> tell us. Someone is definately looking out for you,
> besides the expert airmenship too.
>
> Kurt S.
>
> --- Barry West <barry@pgtc.com> wrote:
> .........
> > Yesterday I took off from the airport and right
> > after leveling at 2500 all three blades departed the
> > hub..............
>
>
>
> Be a PS3 game guru.
> Get your game face on with the latest PS3 news and previews
> at Yahoo! Games.
> http://videogames.yahoo.com/platform?platform=120121
>
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| Subject: | changing thread names etc |
Tom, probably the vast majority of the list members are still using the
email version of Matronics, including myself. It's what we've always used,
it's what we're used to, and we're comfortable with it. It's very simple to
edit in/out parts of the previous message so that the reader knows exactly
what is being discussed. The subject line alone doesn't always reflect
that.
As for the internet forum version, it's fine too if that is what you prefer.
However, it would help everyone concerned if you used the "quote" feature
when replying to a message. There's a quote button on every message and
it's simple to use. Please don't forget the "do not archive" also when
appropriate.
Deke
List Admin
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tom Jones" <nahsikhs@elltel.net>
Sent: Monday, February 19, 2007 2:06 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: changing thread names etc
>
> I read the list on the internet
http://forums.matronics.com/viewforum.php?f=8&sid=ab1531ee468c5f957cadfc1a88256cd1
so I don't have to start and stop the email subscription when I travel. I
have come to prefer this method over the emails because this is so easy and
well organized. Some aspects of this system do continue to be somewhat of a
mystery to me though.
>
> My question is to those that read the email versions. Are my replies
coming with a topic heading? Can you easily tell what topic I am replying
to? Do I need to do something different to make life easier for those
trying to follow the threads I reply to?
>
> Tom Jones, computer neyophite
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p'065#96065
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: GSC Propeller |
Did it look like this ?
http://www.cfisher.com/gsc/
All props can depart at anytime, That is why i have a 1/8" atached to
engine and airframe in case of separation.
You lose your engine in a Kitfox and I think you will be outta control
.
I have hands on experience in blade departures as well. The one in
picture was not mine.
Glad it all worked out for you.
Practice does not make perfect but it sure is better than without.
I did some dead stick videos on youtube as well.
Dave
----- Original Message -----
From: Barry West
To: Kitfox List
Sent: Monday, February 19, 2007 3:51 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: GSC Propeller
I would be remiss if I did not make other owners of GSC props aware of
this. I think the people at GSC are good competent people and don't
want to say nor do anything to hurt their business but feel I must get
this message out.
Yesterday I took off from the airport and right after leveling at 2500
all three blades departed the hub. I landed the 912 S powered Kitfox
with out any problems. This was an updated three blade with the
aluminum bases and a bolt going through the aluminum base and the wood
blade. The blades came out clean, leaving wood on the barbs of the
bases, on the long wood screws that ran parallel to the blades and a
chunk of wood behind each bolt.
There was a big bump when it occurred and the engine was definitely
moved within the mounts but seems to have returned to its original
position. One carb came out of its socket and this is probably what
kept the engine from over revving.
I have already communicated with Lockwood and GSC and will speak to
John McBean soon.
Barry West
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| Subject: | Re: GSC Propeller |
Dave,
Please re-read what you posted and explain. A 1/8" what?
All props can depart at anytime, That is why i have a 1/8" atached to
engine and airframe in case of separation.
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Hey Barry,
How many hours were on the blades? Was the aircraft always hangared? Did
the prop ever see weather?
Just fyi, concerning the bolt through the blade roots GSC advised the hubs
for the 912 have always been that way.
Thanks,
Ted
_____
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Barry West
Sent: Monday, February 19, 2007 2:52 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: GSC Propeller
I would be remiss if I did not make other owners of GSC props aware of this.
I think the people at GSC are good competent people and don't want to say
nor do anything to hurt their business but feel I must get this message out.
Yesterday I took off from the airport and right after leveling at 2500 all
three blades departed the hub. I landed the 912 S powered Kitfox with out
any problems. This was an updated three blade with the aluminum bases and a
bolt going through the aluminum base and the wood blade. The blades came
out clean, leaving wood on the barbs of the bases, on the long wood screws
that ran parallel to the blades and a chunk of wood behind each bolt.
There was a big bump when it occurred and the engine was definitely moved
within the mounts but seems to have returned to its original position. One
carb came out of its socket and this is probably what kept the engine from
over revving.
I have already communicated with Lockwood and GSC and will speak to John
McBean soon.
Barry West
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