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1. 03:02 AM - GSC Propeller - edit - Barry more questions (D. Fisher)
2. 04:24 AM - Inspection Checklist- Airplane (fox5flyer)
3. 05:09 AM - Re: GSC Propeller - edit - Barry more questions (Noel Loveys)
4. 07:32 AM - Re: GSC Propeller - edit - Barry more questions (Rick)
5. 07:57 AM - Re: GSC Propeller - edit - Barry more questions (Randy Daughenbaugh)
6. 08:05 AM - Re: GSC Propeller - edit - Barry more questions (flier)
7. 08:30 AM - Re: GSC Propeller - edit - Barry more questions (fox5flyer)
8. 08:52 AM - Tiny Tach (Marco Menezes)
9. 09:01 AM - Re: GSC Propeller - edit - Barry more questions (dcsfoto)
10. 09:02 AM - Re: Trailering (Kenneth and Alice Jones)
11. 09:17 AM - Re: GSC Propeller - Engine Cable (RRTRACK@aol.com)
12. 11:02 AM - Re: GSC Propeller - Earlier post for referance (D. Fisher)
13. 11:19 AM - Re: Kitfox-List Digest: 17 Msgs - 02/19/07 (Stan Tew)
14. 11:59 AM - Safety Cable Attached to Engine (Jose M. Toro)
15. 12:10 PM - Re: Safety Cable Attached to Engine (D. Fisher)
16. 12:51 PM - Re: Safety Cable Attached to Engine (Jose M. Toro)
17. 02:56 PM - Stratus 2000 Radiator (Kathy & Dick Toomey)
18. 03:54 PM - Builders Manual PDF (Rex Shaw)
19. 04:08 PM - Re: Tiny Tach (kitfoxmike)
20. 04:38 PM - Re: Tiny Tach (crazyivan)
21. 05:23 PM - Re: Builders Manual PDF (jdmcbean)
22. 05:39 PM - Re: Re: Tiny Tach (Noel Loveys)
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| Subject: | GSC Propeller - edit - Barry more questions |
I added "cable" into this,
>>That is why I have a 1/8" CABLE attached to engine and airframe in
case of separation.
You lose your engine in a Kitfox and I think you will be outta control
. <<
Barry - A few more questions.
How old are blades?
How old is the hub?
How many hours on each ?
When was the last time it was adjusted and torqued?( months and hours )
Do you have any pictures ?
And Like I said -- All blades can depart no matter if an IVO, GSC , NSI
or WARP .
I would like to think that they are isolated but it Can happen.
It would be interesting to be able to narrow it down to what happened.
Dave
----- Original Message -----
From: D. Fisher
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, February 19, 2007 6:51 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: GSC Propeller
Did it look like this ?
http://www.cfisher.com/gsc/
All props can depart at anytime, That is why i have a 1/8" atached to
engine and airframe in case of separation.
You lose your engine in a Kitfox and I think you will be outta
control .
I have hands on experience in blade departures as well. The one in
picture was not mine.
Glad it all worked out for you.
Practice does not make perfect but it sure is better than without.
I did some dead stick videos on youtube as well.
Dave
----- Original Message -----
From: Barry West
To: Kitfox List
Sent: Monday, February 19, 2007 3:51 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: GSC Propeller
I would be remiss if I did not make other owners of GSC props aware
of this. I think the people at GSC are good competent people and don't
want to say nor do anything to hurt their business but feel I must get
this message out.
Yesterday I took off from the airport and right after leveling at
2500 all three blades departed the hub. I landed the 912 S powered
Kitfox with out any problems. This was an updated three blade with the
aluminum bases and a bolt going through the aluminum base and the wood
blade. The blades came out clean, leaving wood on the barbs of the
bases, on the long wood screws that ran parallel to the blades and a
chunk of wood behind each bolt.
There was a big bump when it occurred and the engine was definitely
moved within the mounts but seems to have returned to its original
position. One carb came out of its socket and this is probably what
kept the engine from over revving.
I have already communicated with Lockwood and GSC and will speak to
John McBean soon.
Barry West
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List">http://www.matron
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| Subject: | Inspection Checklist- Airplane |
Thanks for passing this on Clem. It's a keeper.
Deke
do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: Clem Nichols
To: kitfox list
Sent: Monday, February 19, 2007 11:50 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Emailing: Inspection Checklist- Airplane
Here is a sample checklist you may find helpful. It was provided by
Mike Huffman of Sport Aviation Specialties, an ELSA DAR.
Clem Nichols
The message is ready to be sent with the following file or link
attachments:
Inspection Checklist- Airplane
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| Subject: | GSC Propeller - edit - Barry more questions |
Additionally: Did you have your torque wrench calibrated?? It is very
easy
for a torque wrench to be out by more than 20 %. The only way I could
see
all three blades departing at one tine would be if the roots were
crushed
way too much (too much torque on the mounting bolts) or you hit
something
mid air which broke all three blades in one revolution. Were the blades
recovered? You should try very hard to find them.
Noel
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of D. Fisher
Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2007 7:31 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: GSC Propeller - edit - Barry more questions
I added "cable" into this,
>>That is why I have a 1/8" CABLE attached to engine and airframe in
case
of separation.
You lose your engine in a Kitfox and I think you will be outta control
. <<
Barry - A few more questions.
How old are blades?
How old is the hub?
How many hours on each ?
When was the last time it was adjusted and torqued?( months and hours )
Do you have any pictures ?
And Like I said -- All blades can depart no matter if an IVO, GSC , NSI
or
WARP .
I would like to think that they are isolated but it Can happen.
It would be interesting to be able to narrow it down to what happened.
Dave
----- Original Message -----
From: D. Fisher <mailto:d@cfisher.com>
Sent: Monday, February 19, 2007 6:51 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: GSC Propeller
Did it look like this ?
http://www.cfisher.com/gsc/
All props can depart at anytime, That is why i have a 1/8" atached to
engine
and airframe in case of separation.
You lose your engine in a Kitfox and I think you will be outta control
.
I have hands on experience in blade departures as well. The one in
picture
was not mine.
Glad it all worked out for you.
Practice does not make perfect but it sure is better than without.
I did some dead stick videos on youtube as well.
Dave
----- Original Message -----
From: Barry West <mailto:barry@pgtc.com>
Sent: Monday, February 19, 2007 3:51 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: GSC Propeller
I would be remiss if I did not make other owners of GSC props aware of
this.
I think the people at GSC are good competent people and don't want to
say
nor do anything to hurt their business but feel I must get this message
out.
Yesterday I took off from the airport and right after leveling at 2500
all
three blades departed the hub. I landed the 912 S powered Kitfox with
out
any problems. This was an updated three blade with the aluminum bases
and a
bolt going through the aluminum base and the wood blade. The blades
came
out clean, leaving wood on the barbs of the bases, on the long wood
screws
that ran parallel to the blades and a chunk of wood behind each bolt.
There was a big bump when it occurred and the engine was definitely
moved
within the mounts but seems to have returned to its original position.
One
carb came out of its socket and this is probably what kept the engine
from
over revving.
I have already communicated with Lockwood and GSC and will speak to John
McBean soon.
Barry West
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| Subject: | GSC Propeller - edit - Barry more questions |
I haven't been on in awhile since the retirement move, but I find the
theory of the security cable very interesting. Has anyone actually
exercised the performance of the theory with an engine departure. Though
I like the idea and find it interesting I am not sure if the aircraft
could actually be controlled with the CG aft and in constant change.
Might not a ballistic parachute be more relied on?
Rick
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Noel Loveys
Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2007 5:09 AM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: GSC Propeller - edit - Barry more questions
Additionally: Did you have your torque wrench calibrated?? It is very
easy for a torque wrench to be out by more than 20 %. The only way I
could see all three blades departing at one tine would be if the roots
were crushed way too much (too much torque on the mounting bolts) or you
hit something mid air which broke all three blades in one revolution.
Were the blades recovered? You should try very hard to find them.
Noel
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of D. Fisher
Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2007 7:31 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: GSC Propeller - edit - Barry more questions
I added "cable" into this,
>>That is why I have a 1/8" CABLE attached to engine and airframe in
case of separation.
You lose your engine in a Kitfox and I think you will be outta control
. <<
Barry - A few more questions.
How old are blades?
How old is the hub?
How many hours on each ?
When was the last time it was adjusted and torqued?( months and hours )
Do you have any pictures ?
And Like I said -- All blades can depart no matter if an IVO, GSC , NSI
or WARP .
I would like to think that they are isolated but it Can happen.
It would be interesting to be able to narrow it down to what happened.
Dave
----- Original Message -----
From: D. Fisher <mailto:d@cfisher.com>
Sent: Monday, February 19, 2007 6:51 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: GSC Propeller
Did it look like this ?
http://www.cfisher.com/gsc/
All props can depart at anytime, That is why i have a 1/8" atached to
engine and airframe in case of separation.
You lose your engine in a Kitfox and I think you will be outta control
.
I have hands on experience in blade departures as well. The one in
picture was not mine.
Glad it all worked out for you.
Practice does not make perfect but it sure is better than without.
I did some dead stick videos on youtube as well.
Dave
----- Original Message -----
From: Barry West <mailto:barry@pgtc.com>
Sent: Monday, February 19, 2007 3:51 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: GSC Propeller
I would be remiss if I did not make other owners of GSC props aware of
this. I think the people at GSC are good competent people and don't
want to say nor do anything to hurt their business but feel I must get
this message out.
Yesterday I took off from the airport and right after leveling at 2500
all three blades departed the hub. I landed the 912 S powered Kitfox
with out any problems. This was an updated three blade with the
aluminum bases and a bolt going through the aluminum base and the wood
blade. The blades came out clean, leaving wood on the barbs of the
bases, on the long wood screws that ran parallel to the blades and a
chunk of wood behind each bolt.
There was a big bump when it occurred and the engine was definitely
moved within the mounts but seems to have returned to its original
position. One carb came out of its socket and this is probably what
kept the engine from over revving.
I have already communicated with Lockwood and GSC and will speak to John
McBean soon.
Barry West
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| Subject: | GSC Propeller - edit - Barry more questions |
I read an account a few years ago about a plane (Waco?) that lost a prop and
an engine mount with three on board. They could not see the engine, but it
was still hanging there by an oil line. ONE OIL LINE! But it was enough
to keep their CG far enough forward that they landed safely.
If the oil line had failed to hold the weight of the engine, the out come
would have been a disaster.
I don't have safety cables on my engine, but I get closer every time I read
a story like Barry's.
Randy
.
_____
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[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rick
Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2007 8:33 AM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: GSC Propeller - edit - Barry more questions
I haven't been on in awhile since the retirement move, but I find the theory
of the security cable very interesting. Has anyone actually exercised the
performance of the theory with an engine departure. Though I like the idea
and find it interesting I am not sure if the aircraft could actually be
controlled with the CG aft and in constant change. Might not a ballistic
parachute be more relied on?
Rick
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| Subject: | GSC Propeller - edit - Barry more questions |
The cable(s) are short. The violent shudder can
break the mounts but the fuel, coolant, ignition
lines, and the cowl sorta hold things in. A safety
cable allows flex and will hopefully hold the mass on
the front end once things quit shaking.
Yes, the CG will change, but I'd rather be a little
aft rather than TOTALLY aft.
--- Original Message ---
From: "Rick" <wingsdown@verizon.net>
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: GSC Propeller - edit -
Barry more questions
>I haven't been on in awhile since the retirement
move, but I find the
>theory of the security cable very interesting. Has
anyone actually
>exercised the performance of the theory with an
engine departure. Though
>I like the idea and find it interesting I am not
sure if the aircraft
>could actually be controlled with the CG aft and
in constant change.
>Might not a ballistic parachute be more relied on?
>
>Rick
>
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| Subject: | Re: GSC Propeller - edit - Barry more questions |
MessagePersonally, I think your days of the good life would be over as
soon as that heavy engine and prop left the airframe. The w/b would be
so far out I doubt very much if it would be controllable. The nose
would go straight up in the air without enough elevator to bring it
down, the stall would be very quick, then the spin would follow. I
think the cables are a good idea. Weight would be minimal and might be
a bacon saver.
Anybody know of this happening? It may be such a remote possibility
that it's not an issue.
Deke
----- Original Message -----
From: Rick
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2007 10:32 AM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: GSC Propeller - edit - Barry more questions
I haven't been on in awhile since the retirement move, but I find the
theory of the security cable very interesting. Has anyone actually
exercised the performance of the theory with an engine departure. Though
I like the idea and find it interesting I am not sure if the aircraft
could actually be controlled with the CG aft and in constant change.
Might not a ballistic parachute be more relied on?
Rick
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Noel Loveys
Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2007 5:09 AM
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: GSC Propeller - edit - Barry more
questions
Additionally: Did you have your torque wrench calibrated?? It is
very easy for a torque wrench to be out by more than 20 %. The only way
I could see all three blades departing at one tine would be if the roots
were crushed way too much (too much torque on the mounting bolts) or you
hit something mid air which broke all three blades in one revolution.
Were the blades recovered? You should try very hard to find them.
Noel
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of D. Fisher
Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2007 7:31 AM
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Subject: Kitfox-List: GSC Propeller - edit - Barry more questions
I added "cable" into this,
>>That is why I have a 1/8" CABLE attached to engine and airframe
in case of separation.
You lose your engine in a Kitfox and I think you will be outta
control . <<
Barry - A few more questions.
How old are blades?
How old is the hub?
How many hours on each ?
When was the last time it was adjusted and torqued?( months and
hours )
Do you have any pictures ?
And Like I said -- All blades can depart no matter if an IVO, GSC
, NSI or WARP .
I would like to think that they are isolated but it Can happen.
It would be interesting to be able to narrow it down to what
happened.
Dave
----- Original Message -----
From: D. Fisher
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, February 19, 2007 6:51 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: GSC Propeller
Did it look like this ?
http://www.cfisher.com/gsc/
All props can depart at anytime, That is why i have a 1/8"
atached to engine and airframe in case of separation.
You lose your engine in a Kitfox and I think you will be outta
control .
I have hands on experience in blade departures as well. The one
in picture was not mine.
Glad it all worked out for you.
Practice does not make perfect but it sure is better than
without.
I did some dead stick videos on youtube as well.
Dave
----- Original Message -----
From: Barry West
To: Kitfox List
Sent: Monday, February 19, 2007 3:51 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: GSC Propeller
I would be remiss if I did not make other owners of GSC props
aware of this. I think the people at GSC are good competent people and
don't want to say nor do anything to hurt their business but feel I must
get this message out.
Yesterday I took off from the airport and right after leveling
at 2500 all three blades departed the hub. I landed the 912 S powered
Kitfox with out any problems. This was an updated three blade with the
aluminum bases and a bolt going through the aluminum base and the wood
blade. The blades came out clean, leaving wood on the barbs of the
bases, on the long wood screws that ran parallel to the blades and a
chunk of wood behind each bolt.
There was a big bump when it occurred and the engine was
definitely moved within the mounts but seems to have returned to its
original position. One carb came out of its socket and this is probably
what kept the engine from over revving.
I have already communicated with Lockwood and GSC and will
speak to John McBean soon.
Barry West
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I'm ready to buy and install tiny tach but am a bit confused as to which model.
I know I've read it somewhere, but can't recall. Does the 582 fire once per crank
rev, i.e every 360 degrees (TT model 2C) or twice (180 degrees) per rev (TT
mod 1C)?
Incidently, best price is factory direct, $36.95.
Marco Menezes
Model 2 582 N99KX
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Get your own web address.
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| Subject: | Re: GSC Propeller - edit - Barry more questions |
many years ago I built a MEAD Adventure,prior to finishing the designer
Mr Mead was killed when the aircraft was testing had an engine mount fail.
the engine and mount seperated the airframe.
i am building a Model 7 and it will have a cable engine to airframe.
cheap insurance
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p'291#96291
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Floyd, I am also interested in seeing those pictures. Looks like you
have several interested parties.
Ken Jones
----- Original Message -----
From: Floyd Johnson
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, February 19, 2007 9:03 AM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Trailering
One of the most important things to do when trailering your KitFox is
to take the weight off the tailwheel. I don't know if this has been
suggested recently, but the bouncing of the trailer places many more
"G's" on the fusalage than a hard landing.
I built my own trailer and installed two steel straps back where the
tubes go thru to either side. I made them long enough to take the strain
off the tailwheel and run a long 1/4inch bolt thru with a wingnut to
secure it. It is simple and does the job well.
If anyone is interested, I'll provide some pictures. I can also
provide photos of the trailer with some details should anyone care to
build their own. It is open, but capable of trailering my plane, a MOD
IV 1200, on wheels, skis, and floats.
Regards, Floyd
----- Original Message -----
From: david yeamans
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: 2/18/2007 11:13:36 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Trailering
Rexinator,
I'm glad you replied. I was strongly inclined to do so.
some time
ago on the foxlist, can't remember who it was, but someone moved and
hauled his Kitfox in a uhall truck to there new home. when they
arrived
he opened the truck, and his kitfox was the same as demolished.
Before loading the kitfox, he swung the wings back, fasten
them to
the stand-offs rolled it up in the truck and away he went. All that
bouncing
for a long hall, and all that leverage on the wings took it toll,
along with
other over torqued stress on the rest of the airplane. A boat
trailer
would have been the safest.
i moved my Kitfox from the lake of the ozarks at Osage
beach, Mo.
to pleasanto, Ks, 150 mile away. I hauled my fusealage on a Bob
cat
trailer mounted on blocks of styrofoam, and had my wings laying on
ropes streched tight just below the ceiling of a uhall truck. When I
arrived,
everything was OK.
Becareful when tranporting your airplane, you can do more
damage
than you realize.
David ,
Kitfox IV 1200 , Rotax, 912 UL
From: Rexinator
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, February 16, 2007 7:00 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Trailering
Maybe I'm guilty of stating the obvious, but I haven't noticed yet
this
time around that anyone mentioned the risk of G loads from the
suspension on a heavy duty trailer. A lightly loaded heavy duty
suspension will give a rough ride for your airplane. A trailer
that is
truly custom designed to carry a relatively light weight but large
bulky
load such as our Kitfoxes should have the axle suspension rated
for the
weight of the load plus some small percent, say 10%. You should
factor
in other things you may regularly carry with the aircraft. Fuel
tanks
plus fuel and tools for instance. I would think of trailering like
flying at gross weight into potentially very rough weather.
I have an open car carrier rated to 6,000 lbs, but I am careful
to
travel over smooth roads and go very slow where ther e are rough
surfaces. I also reduced air pressure in the trailer and gear
tires. My
ratcheting cargo straps were many with just a little slack to
allow the
gear to absorb shock loads as well.
Since you should want an enclosed trailer you will also want to
secure
the airplane so that it can not jostle around inside and bang
against
the enclosure. Thus a properly rated suspension is more essential
for
the long trips. I think I read somewhere that a pothole can easily
transmit over 12 G's through your suspension which of course WILL
cause
damage if it gets to the airframe. I would imagine an adjustable
air
suspension would work best. Tandem axles on a trailer gives a much
smoother ride. The point is to consider the suspension when
deciding on
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| Subject: | Re: GSC Propeller - Engine Cable |
I have a safety Cable on my engine in case of engine mount failure. I had a
blade failure in an ultralight and it tore the engine off. If not for the
cable it had I may not be here today! Also have a 1/8" safety cable on the
landing gear in case the cords break.
Mark
Wisconsin
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| Subject: | Re: GSC Propeller - Earlier post for referance |
Dug this out for you guys............
Dave
----- Original Message -----
From: "dave" <dave@cfisher.com>
Sent: Friday, December 22, 2006 8:39 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Over-torqued GSC Prop-- Take out of service immediatly
>
> Dwayne,
>
> Call Rick Peters the owner if GSC at (250) 549-3772 or email him at
> info@ultralightprops.com
> I was just talking to Rick yesterday and I think he is shut down till Jan
> 3, but call or email to confirm.
>
> I would highly recommend that you take your prop out of service
> immediately.
> If you lose a blade you will destroy your engine mount and you could lose
> your engine and ....well you don't want that to happen. I have on mine
> a
> safety cable attached to engine and ties to fuselage under the dash. If
> that engine breaks free all that will be holding it on is the heater hose
> and fuel lines. Carbs will fly off.
>
> I have first hand experience in Prop departures in aircraft myself and
> have
> worked on others this year that have had the same.
>
> If the GSC alum hub halve blocks are touching that means that the root
> ends
> of the blades have been crushed. If crushed they will not only NOT hold
> the
> pitch in the hub but the grains of the hardwood have most likely have been
> compromised and you could be looking at failure at ANY time.
>
> Your choice ,
>
> Dave
----- Original Message -----
From: "dcsfoto" <david@kelm.com>
Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2007 12:01 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: GSC Propeller - edit - Barry more questions
>
> many years ago I built a MEAD Adventure,prior to finishing the designer
> Mr Mead was killed when the aircraft was testing had an engine mount fail.
> the engine and mount seperated the airframe.
> i am building a Model 7 and it will have a cable engine to airframe.
> cheap insurance
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p'291#96291
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Kitfox-List Digest: 17 Msgs - 02/19/07 |
I too am glad to hear you made it OK. The occurance of the departed GSC bla
de that I am familiar with looked just like the photo at the bub. We never
located the departed blade. My friend was very fortunate that the engine di
d not completely depart from his Avid.=0A=0A =0ASTAN 2=0A=0A=0A=0A----- Ori
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---------=0A=0A 1. 04:25 AM - test-disregard (fox5flyer)=0A 2. 06:
04 AM - Re: Trailering (Floyd Johnson)=0A 3. 07:07 AM - Trailer Info
(Floyd Johnson)=0A 4. 07:42 AM - Re: Trailering (Tom Jones)=0A 5.
08:27 AM - Re: Annual Condition Inspection Check list (akflyer)=0A 6.
08:51 AM - Emailing: Inspection Checklist- Airplane (Clem Nichols)=0A
7. 10:41 AM - Wheels with Brakes now available for the 8" King Fox tires (
Kevin Ridsdale)=0A 8. 11:07 AM - Re: changing thread names etc (Tom Jo
nes)=0A 9. 01:04 PM - GSC Propeller (Barry West)=0A 10. 01:13 PM -
Re: Re: Trailering (kirk hull)=0A 11. 01:51 PM - Re: GSC Propeller (ku
rt schrader)=0A 12. 02:15 PM - Re: Coordinated turns to base and final
(Rueb, Duane)=0A 13. 02:35 PM - Re: GSC Propeller (Noel Loveys)=0A 1
4. 02:51 PM - changing thread names etc (fox5flyer)=0A 15. 03:51 PM - R
e: GSC Propeller (D. Fisher)=0A 16. 04:34 PM - Re: GSC Propeller (Don
Smythe)=0A 17. 05:01 PM - Re: GSC Propeller (TC)=0A=0A=0A=0A___________
_____________________ Message 1 _____________________________________=0A
=0A=0ATime: 04:25:38 AM PST US=0AFrom: "fox5flyer" <fox5flyer@idealwifi.net
>=0ASubject: Kitfox-List: test-disregard=0A=0Atest=0A=0A___________________
_____________ Message 2 _____________________________________=0A=0A=0ATim
e: 06:04:37 AM PST US=0AFrom: "Floyd Johnson" <kitfox69@earthlink.net>=0ASu
bject: Re: Kitfox-List: Trailering=0A=0AOne of the most important things t
o do when trailering your KitFox is to take=0Athe weight off the tailwheel.
I don't know if this has been suggested recently,=0Abut the bouncing of th
e trailer places many more "G's" on the fusalage than=0Aa hard landing.=0AI
built my own trailer and installed two steel straps back where the tubes g
o thru=0Ato either side. I made them long enough to take the strain off the
tailwheel=0Aand run a long 1/4inch bolt thru with a wingnut to secure it.
It is simple=0Aand does the job well.=0AIf anyone is interested, I'll provi
de some pictures. I can also provide photos=0Aof the trailer with some deta
ils should anyone care to build their own. It is=0Aopen, but capable of tra
ilering my plane, a MOD IV 1200, on wheels, skis, and=0Afloats.=0ARegards,
Floyd=0A=0A=0A----- Original Message ----- =0AFrom: david yeamans =0ASent:
2/18/2007 11:13:36 PM =0ASubject: Re: Kitfox-List: Trailering=0A=0A=0ARexi
nator,=0A=0A I'm glad you replied. I was strongly inclined to do so.
some time=0Aago on the foxlist, can't remember who it was, but someone mo
ved and=0Ahauled his Kitfox in a uhall truck to there new home. when they
arrived =0Ahe opened the truck, and his kitfox was the same as demolished.
=0A Before loading the kitfox, he swung the wings back, fasten the
m to =0Athe stand-offs rolled it up in the truck and away he went. All that
bouncing=0Afor a long hall, and all that leverage on the wings took it tol
l, along with=0Aother over torqued stress on the rest of the airplane. A b
oat trailer=0Awould have been the safest.=0A i moved my Kitfox from
the lake of the ozarks at Osage beach, Mo.=0Ato pleasanto, Ks, 150 mile
away. I hauled my fusealage on a Bob cat=0Atrailer mounted on blocks of st
yrofoam, and had my wings laying on=0Aropes streched tight just below the c
eiling of a uhall truck. When I arrived,=0Aeverything was OK. =0A B
ecareful when tranporting your airplane, you can do more damage=0Athan you
realize.=0A=0A David
, Kitfox IV 1200=0A, Rotax, 912 UL=0A=0AFrom: Rexinator =0ASent: Friday
, February 16, 2007 7:00 PM=0ASubject: Re: Kitfox-List: Trailering=0A=0A=0A
=0AMaybe I'm guilty of stating the obvious, but I haven't noticed yet this
=0Atime around that anyone mentioned the risk of G loads from the =0Asuspen
sion on a heavy duty trailer. A lightly loaded heavy duty =0Asuspension wil
l give a rough ride for your airplane. A trailer that is =0Atruly custom de
signed to carry a relatively light weight but large bulky =0Aload such as o
ur Kitfoxes should have the axle suspension rated for the =0Aweight of the
load plus some small percent, say 10%. You should factor =0Ain other things
you may regularly carry with the aircraft. Fuel tanks =0Aplus fuel and too
ls for instance. I would think of trailering like =0Aflying at gross weight
into potentially very rough weather.=0AI have an open car carrier rated to
6,000 lbs, but I am careful to =0Atravel over smooth roads and go very slo
w where there are rough =0Asurfaces. I also reduced air pressure in the tra
iler and gear tires. My =0Aratcheting cargo straps were many with just a li
ttle slack to allow the =0Agear to absorb shock loads as well.=0ASince you
should want an enclosed trailer you will also want to secure =0Athe airplan
e so that it can not jostle around inside and bang against =0Athe enclosure
. Thus a properly rated suspension is more essential for =0Athe long trips.
I think I read somewhere that a pothole can easily =0Atransmit over 12 G's
through your suspension which of course WILL cause =0Adamage if it gets to
the airframe. I would imagine an adjustable air =0Asuspension would work b
est. Tandem axles on a trailer gives a much =0Asmoother ride. The point is
to consider the suspension when deciding on =0Aa ========
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________________________________ Message 3 ______________________________
_______=0A=0A=0ATime: 07:07:14 AM PST US=0AFrom: "Floyd Johnson" <kitfox69@
earthlink.net>=0ASubject: Kitfox-List: Trailer Info=0A=0AOK Guys,=0A=0A I'
ll get some pictures of my trailer to you as soon as I can dig it out of th
e=0Asnow. It is supposed to warm up here this weekend, so I'll make an effo
rt to=0Atake pictures and send them to you. Regards, Floyd=0A=0A=0AFloyd
Johnson=0Akitfox69@earthlink.net=0AEarthLink Revolves Around You.=0A=0A____
____________________________ Message 4 __________________________________
___=0A=0A=0ATime: 07:42:25 AM PST US=0ASubject: Kitfox-List: Re: Trailering
=0AFrom: "Tom Jones" <nahsikhs@elltel.net>=0A=0A=0AFloyd, I would like to s
ee the pictures of your trailer. I am pondering how to=0Abuild the tail su
pport now so that would be of special interest to me.=0Athanks, Tom Jones
=0Ado not archive.=0A=0A=0ARead this topic online here:=0A=0Ahttp://forums.
matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p'018#96018=0A=0A=0A___________________________
_____ Message 5 _____________________________________=0A=0A=0ATime: 08:27
:45 AM PST US=0ASubject: Kitfox-List: Re: Annual Condition Inspection Check
list=0AFrom: "akflyer" <akflyer_2000@yahoo.com>=0A=0A=0ALowel,=0AIf you ca
n scan it in (your current check list) and email or fax it to me, I can=0Ac
lean it up, make a PDF of it and anyone would be able to download a clean P
DF=0Afor future use. I would have to get it done before I head back home f
rom work=0Aat the end of the day tomorrow.=0A=0AI have scanned in the entir
e Avid build manual and have that in PDF format also.=0AIf someone has a ki
tfox manual, they can send it to me and I can PDF it for=0Aall to be able t
o use if need be.. =0A=0AJust an offer...=0A=0A--------=0ALeni=0AAvid C W/5
82=0A1260 full lotus=0A=0A.......DO NOT ARCHIVE.....=0A=0A=0ARead this topi
c online here:=0A=0Ahttp://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p'027#96027
=0A=0A=0A________________________________ Message 6 _____________________
________________=0A=0A=0ATime: 08:51:11 AM PST US=0AFrom: "Clem Nichols" <c
nichols@scrtc.com>=0ASubject: Kitfox-List: Emailing: Inspection Checklist-
Airplane=0A=0AHere is a sample checklist you may find helpful. It was prov
ided by =0AMike Huffman of Sport Aviation Specialties, an ELSA DAR.=0A=0ACl
em Nichols=0A=0AThe message is ready to be sent with the following file or
link =0Aattachments:=0AInspection Checklist- Airplane=0A=0A________________
________________ Message 7 _____________________________________=0A=0A=0A
Time: 10:41:03 AM PST US=0AFrom: Kevin Ridsdale <ksridsdale@mipowerparachut
e.com>=0ASubject: Kitfox-List: Wheels with Brakes now available for the 8"
King Fox tires=0A=0AGood news =0A The wait is finaly over the wheels for
the 8" King Fox tires for Mippi are now=0Aavailable. It comes with an exte
rnal caliper brake that is rated at 2200 in-lbs=0Aat 450 PSI. /It used 1.2
5 inch taper roller bearings on each wheel it is=0Arated for 750 lbs static
load with a 3G overload ultimate load.=0A =0A Cost is $295.75 each plus
shipping.=0A =0A send your inquiries to MiPPi Ultralights 734-377-2670
or=0A =0A=0A________________________________ Message 8 ________________
_____________________=0A=0A=0ATime: 11:07:42 AM PST US=0ASubject: Kitfox-Li
st: Re: changing thread names etc=0AFrom: "Tom Jones" <nahsikhs@elltel.net>
=0A=0A=0AI read the list on the internet http://forums.matronics.com/viewfo
rum.php?f=8&sid=ab1531ee468c5f957cadfc1a88256cd1 so I don't have to sta
rt and stop the email subscription when I travel. I have come to prefer th
is method over the emails because this is so easy and well organized. Some
aspects of this system do continue to be somewhat of a mystery to me thoug
h.=0A=0AMy question is to those that read the email versions. Are my repli
es coming with=0Aa topic heading? Can you easily tell what topic I am repl
ying to? Do I need=0Ato do something different to make life easier for tho
se trying to follow the=0Athreads I reply to?=0A=0ATom Jones, computer neyo
phite=0A=0A=0ARead this topic online here:=0A=0Ahttp://forums.matronics.com
/viewtopic.php?p'065#96065=0A=0A=0A________________________________ Messag
e 9 _____________________________________=0A=0A=0ATime: 01:04:40 PM PST US
=0AFrom: "Barry West" <barry@pgtc.com>=0ASubject: Kitfox-List: GSC Propelle
r=0A=0AI would be remiss if I did not make other owners of GSC props aware
of =0Athis. I think the people at GSC are good competent people and don't
=0Awant to say nor do anything to hurt their business but feel I must get
=0Athis message out.=0A=0AYesterday I took off from the airport and right a
fter leveling at 2500 =0Aall three blades departed the hub. I landed the 9
12 S powered Kitfox =0Awith out any problems. This was an updated three bl
ade with the =0Aaluminum bases and a bolt going through the aluminum base a
nd the wood =0Ablade. The blades came out clean, leaving wood on the barbs
of the =0Abases, on the long wood screws that ran parallel to the blades a
nd a =0Achunk of wood behind each bolt.=0A=0AThere was a big bump when it o
ccurred and the engine was definitely =0Amoved within the mounts but seems
to have returned to its original =0Aposition. One carb came out of its soc
ket and this is probably what =0Akept the engine from over revving. =0A=0A
I have already communicated with Lockwood and GSC and will speak to John
=0AMcBean soon.=0A=0ABarry West=0A=0A________________________________ Mess
age 10 ____________________________________=0A=0A=0ATime: 01:13:52 PM PST
US=0AFrom: "kirk hull" <kirkhull@kc.rr.com>=0ASubject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re:
Trailering=0A=0A=0AI set up the tail support to be a stand for the tail to
sit in. this way=0Athe tail spring helps cushion out some of the bumps.
=0A=0A-----Original Message-----=0AFrom: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics
.com=0A[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tom Jon
es=0ASent: Monday, February 19, 2007 9:41 AM=0ASubject: Kitfox-List: Re: Tr
ailering=0A=0A=0AFloyd, I would like to see the pictures of your trailer.
I am pondering how=0Ato build the tail support now so that would be of spec
ial interest to me.=0Athanks, Tom Jones=0Ado not archive.=0A=0A=0ARead this
topic online here:=0A=0Ahttp://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p'018#96
018=0A=0A=0A________________________________ Message 11 _________________
___________________=0A=0A=0ATime: 01:51:59 PM PST US=0AFrom: kurt schrader
<smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>=0ASubject: Re: Kitfox-List: GSC Propeller=0A
=0A=0AThanks for the info Barry. Glad you are still here to=0Atell us. So
meone is definately looking out for you,=0Abesides the expert airmenship to
o.=0A=0AKurt S.=0A=0A--- Barry West <barry@pgtc.com> wrote:=0A.........=0A>
Yesterday I took off from the airport and right=0A> after leveling at 2500
all three blades departed the=0A> hub..............=0A=0A=0ABe a PS3 game
guru.=0AGet your game face on with the latest PS3 news and previews at Yaho
o! Games.=0Ahttp://videogames.yahoo.com/platform?platform=120121=0A=0A=0A
________________________________ Message 12 _____________________________
_______=0A=0A=0ATime: 02:15:53 PM PST US=0ASubject: RE: Kitfox-List: Coordi
nated turns to base and final=0AFrom: "Rueb, Duane" <ruebd@skymail.csus.edu
>=0A=0A=0ALynn:=0A=0A Yes, you are cross controlling in the pattern when
you do a slip=0Aon approach. A forward slip will have you crossing the mo
st, a side=0Aslip the least. =0A The critical factor here is air speed
and proficiency. What the=0Abooks that say never do this mean, is never do
this until you have=0Agained enough proficiency to do it with the understa
nding that air speed=0Ais involved and must be maintained at a level suffic
iently above stall=0Ato avoid one. Now, normally when we do these on appro
ach, we have an=0Aexcess of altitude, so that air speed is probably also a
little high.=0AStalling near the ground is the worst maneuver that we could
do there,=0Aand one of the best to practice at a safe altitude for the pur
pose of=0Aboth recognizing how they happen, and to practice the best recove
ry=0Atechniques. =0A Since we are usually taught to fly coordinated fir
st, the books=0Atend to emphasize this, and make it seem that one would nev
er do=0Aotherwise. What they should say, is not to do any un-coordinated
=0Amaneuver near the ground unless you are proficient enough to understand
=0Ahow to do so safely. Some aircraft are better than others at doing=0Ac
ross control maneuvers, and may be restricted to flap settings when=0Across
ing. =0A Practice these at altitude so you understand how your plane=0A
behaves before doing them on an approach.=0A=0ADuane Rueb=0A-----Original M
essage-----=0AFrom: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com=0A[mailto:owner-
kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Lynn=0AMatteson=0ASent: Mond
ay, February 12, 2007 12:10 PM=0ASubject: Re: Kitfox-List: Coordinated turn
s to base and final=0A=0A=0AIsn't a slip a cross-control? And if I'm doing
it on final, because I =0Acame in too high, am I not in the pattern?=0A=0A
Lynn=0A=0AOn Feb 12, 2007, at 11:44 AM, Guy Buchanan wrote:=0A> It's intere
sting how the books warn, "DON'T CROSS CONTROL IN THE =0A> PATTERN!" But t
hey don't say why you would be cross controlled in =0A> the pattern in the
first place. Clem has given the perfect example; =0A> it's often caused b
y descending turns, and how they feel different =0A> than level turns.=0A>
=0A> Guy Buchanan=0A> K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 100% done, thanks mostly t
o Bob Ducar.=0A=0A=0A________________________________ Message 13 ________
____________________________=0A=0A=0ATime: 02:35:22 PM PST US=0AFrom: "Noel
Loveys" <noelloveys@yahoo.ca>=0ASubject: RE: Kitfox-List: GSC Propeller=0A
=0A=0AI know if it were me I would need the seat pads in the plane replaced
too.=0A=0ADon't bother playing the lottery for a while.... You've used up
a fair=0Asupply of good luck!=0A=0ANoel=0A=0A=0A> -----Original Message---
--=0A> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com =0A> [mailto:owner-kitf
ox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of =0A> kurt schrader=0A> Sent: Mon
day, February 19, 2007 6:21 PM=0A> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com=0A> Subjec
t: Re: Kitfox-List: GSC Propeller=0A> =0A> =0A> <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.co
m>=0A> =0A> Thanks for the info Barry. Glad you are still here to=0A> tell
us. Someone is definately looking out for you,=0A> besides the expert air
menship too.=0A> =0A> Kurt S.=0A> =0A> --- Barry West <barry@pgtc.com> wrot
e:=0A> .........=0A> > Yesterday I took off from the airport and right=0A>
> after leveling at 2500 all three blades departed the=0A> > hub...........
...=0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> Be a PS3 game guru.=0A> Get your game face on with
the latest PS3 news and previews =0A> at Yahoo! Games.=0A> http://videogame
s.yahoo.com/platform?platform=120121=0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> Ch
ecked by PC Tools AntiVirus (3.1.0.10 - 9.061.014).=0A> http://www.pctools.
com/anti-virus/=0A=0A=0AChecked by PC Tools AntiVirus (3.1.0.10 - 9.061.014
).=0Ahttp://www.pctools.com/anti-virus/=0A=0A=0A___________________________
_____ Message 14 ____________________________________=0A=0A=0ATime: 02:51
:08 PM PST US=0AFrom: "fox5flyer" <fox5flyer@idealwifi.net>=0ASubject: Kitf
ox-List: changing thread names etc=0A=0A=0ATom, probably the vast majority
of the list members are still using the=0Aemail version of Matronics, inclu
ding myself. It's what we've always used,=0Ait's what we're used to, and w
e're comfortable with it. It's very simple to=0Aedit in/out parts of the p
revious message so that the reader knows exactly=0Awhat is being discussed.
The subject line alone doesn't always reflect=0Athat.=0AAs for the intern
et forum version, it's fine too if that is what you prefer.=0AHowever, it w
ould help everyone concerned if you used the "quote" feature=0Awhen replyin
g to a message. There's a quote button on every message and=0Ait's simple
to use. Please don't forget the "do not archive" also when=0Aappropriate.
=0ADeke=0AList Admin=0A=0A----- Original Message ----- =0AFrom: "Tom Jones"
<nahsikhs@elltel.net>=0ASent: Monday, February 19, 2007 2:06 PM=0ASubject:
Kitfox-List: Re: changing thread names etc=0A=0A=0A>=0A> I read the list o
n the internet=0Ahttp://forums.matronics.com/viewforum.php?f=8&sid=ab15
31ee468c5f957cadfc1a88256cd1=0Aso I don't have to start and stop the email
subscription when I travel. I=0Ahave come to prefer this method over the e
mails because this is so easy and=0Awell organized. Some aspects of this s
ystem do continue to be somewhat of a=0Amystery to me though.=0A>=0A> My qu
estion is to those that read the email versions. Are my replies=0Acoming w
ith a topic heading? Can you easily tell what topic I am replying=0Ato? D
o I need to do something different to make life easier for those=0Atrying t
o follow the threads I reply to?=0A>=0A> Tom Jones, computer neyophite=0A>
=0A>=0A> Read this topic online here:=0A>=0A> http://forums.matronics.com/v
iewtopic.php?p'065#96065=0A>=0A>=0A=0A=0A________________________________
Message 15 ____________________________________=0A=0A=0ATime: 03:51:46 PM
PST US=0AFrom: "D. Fisher" <d@cfisher.com>=0ASubject: Re: Kitfox-List: GSC
Propeller=0A=0ADid it look like this ? =0Ahttp://www.cfisher.com/gsc/=0A=0A
All props can depart at anytime, That is why i have a 1/8" atached to =0Aen
gine and airframe in case of separation. =0AYou lose your engine in a Kitfo
x and I think you will be outta control =0A. =0A=0AI have hands on experie
nce in blade departures as well. The one in =0Apicture was not mine.=0A=0A
Glad it all worked out for you. =0A=0APractice does not make perfect but i
t sure is better than without. =0AI did some dead stick videos on youtube a
s well. =0A=0ADave =0A ----- Original Message ----- =0A From: Barry West
=0A To: Kitfox List =0A Sent: Monday, February 19, 2007 3:51 PM=0A Subje
ct: Kitfox-List: GSC Propeller=0A=0A=0A I would be remiss if I did not mak
e other owners of GSC props aware of =0Athis. I think the people at GSC ar
e good competent people and don't =0Awant to say nor do anything to hurt th
eir business but feel I must get =0Athis message out.=0A=0A Yesterday I to
ok off from the airport and right after leveling at 2500 =0Aall three blade
s departed the hub. I landed the 912 S powered Kitfox =0Awith out any prob
lems. This was an updated three blade with the =0Aaluminum bases and a bol
t going through the aluminum base and the wood =0Ablade. The blades came o
ut clean, leaving wood on the barbs of the =0Abases, on the long wood screw
s that ran parallel to the blades and a =0Achunk of wood behind each bolt.
=0A=0A There was a big bump when it occurred and the engine was definitely
=0Amoved within the mounts but seems to have returned to its original =0Ap
osition. One carb came out of its socket and this is probably what =0Akept
the engine from over revving. =0A=0A I have already communicated with Lo
ckwood and GSC and will speak to =0AJohn McBean soon.=0A=0A Barry West=0A
=0A=0A________________________________ Message 16 _______________________
_____________=0A=0A=0ATime: 04:34:58 PM PST US=0AFrom: "Don Smythe" <dosmyt
he@cox.net>=0ASubject: Re: Kitfox-List: GSC Propeller=0A=0ADave,=0A Plea
se re-read what you posted and explain. A 1/8" what?=0A All props can depa
rt at anytime, That is why i have a 1/8" atached to =0Aengine and airframe
in case of separation. =0A=0A________________________________ Message 17
____________________________________=0A=0A=0ATime: 05:01:17 PM PST US=0AFro
m: "TC" <flier@sbcglobal.net>=0ASubject: RE: Kitfox-List: GSC Propeller=0A
=0AHey Barry,=0A=0AHow many hours were on the blades? Was the aircraft alw
ays hangared? Did=0Athe prop ever see weather?=0A=0AJust fyi, concerning t
he bolt through the blade roots GSC advised the hubs=0Afor the 912 have alw
ays been that way.=0A=0AThanks,=0A=0ATed =0A=0A _____ =0A=0AFrom: owner-
kitfox-list-server@matronics.com=0A[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matroni
cs.com] On Behalf Of Barry West=0ASent: Monday, February 19, 2007 2:52 PM
=0ASubject: Kitfox-List: GSC Propeller=0A=0A=0AI would be remiss if I did n
ot make other owners of GSC props aware of this.=0AI think the people at GS
C are good competent people and don't want to say=0Anor do anything to hurt
their business but feel I must get this message out.=0A=0AYesterday I took
off from the airport and right after leveling at 2500 all=0Athree blades d
eparted the hub. I landed the 912 S powered Kitfox with out=0Aany problems
. This was an updated three blade with the aluminum bases and a=0Abolt goi
ng through the aluminum base and the wood blade. The blades came=0Aout cle
an, leaving wood on the barbs of the bases, on the long wood screws=0Athat
ran parallel to the blades and a chunk of wood behind each bolt.=0A=0AThere
was a big bump when it occurred and the engine was definitely moved=0Awith
in the mounts but seems to have returned to its original position. One=0Ac
arb came out of its socket and this is probably what kept the engine from
=0Aover revving. =0A=0AI have already communicated with Lockwood and GSC a
=======================0A=0A=0A
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| Subject: | Safety Cable Attached to Engine |
Hi All:
Coud someone explain how the cable is attached to the engine and to the airframe?
Could you provide pictures?
Thanks!
Jose
----- Original Message ----
From: D. Fisher <d@cfisher.com>
Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2007 3:01:43 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: GSC Propeller - Earlier post for referance
Dug this out for you guys............
Dave
----- Original Message -----
From: "dave" <dave@cfisher.com>
Sent: Friday, December 22, 2006 8:39 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Over-torqued GSC Prop-- Take out of service immediatly
>
> Dwayne,
>
> Call Rick Peters the owner if GSC at (250) 549-3772 or email him at
> info@ultralightprops.com
> I was just talking to Rick yesterday and I think he is shut down till Jan
> 3, but call or email to confirm.
>
> I would highly recommend that you take your prop out of service
> immediately.
> If you lose a blade you will destroy your engine mount and you could lose
> your engine and ....well you don't want that to happen. I have on mine
> a
> safety cable attached to engine and ties to fuselage under the dash. If
> that engine breaks free all that will be holding it on is the heater hose
> and fuel lines. Carbs will fly off.
>
> I have first hand experience in Prop departures in aircraft myself and
> have
> worked on others this year that have had the same.
>
> If the GSC alum hub halve blocks are touching that means that the root
> ends
> of the blades have been crushed. If crushed they will not only NOT hold
> the
> pitch in the hub but the grains of the hardwood have most likely have been
> compromised and you could be looking at failure at ANY time.
>
> Your choice ,
>
> Dave
----- Original Message -----
From: "dcsfoto" <david@kelm.com>
Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2007 12:01 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: GSC Propeller - edit - Barry more questions
>
> many years ago I built a MEAD Adventure,prior to finishing the designer
> Mr Mead was killed when the aircraft was testing had an engine mount fail.
> the engine and mount seperated the airframe.
> i am building a Model 7 and it will have a cable engine to airframe.
> cheap insurance
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p'291#96291
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Safety Cable Attached to Engine |
I just looked and cannot find a pic but next time I have cowl off I will get
a pic.
Basically I drilled 2 holes in firewall and feed 1/8" cable through the
holes and fished it around I think 4 tubes aft of firewall and back out
through the second hole in hte firewall.
Then I made a loop on each end of cable and crimped a nico pres on each
one.
Each Cable end loop is attached to 2 existing studs on bottom of engine then
a large flat washer and double nuts. I think they are metric but about
7/16" size approx.
I will add that I posted this a while ago and here it is ...............
Dave
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jose M. Toro" <jose_m_toro@yahoo.com>
Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2007 2:58 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Safety Cable Attached to Engine
>
> Hi All:
>
> Coud someone explain how the cable is attached to the engine and to the
> airframe? Could you provide pictures?
>
> Thanks!
>
> Jose
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: D. Fisher <d@cfisher.com>
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2007 3:01:43 PM
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: GSC Propeller - Earlier post for referance
>
>
>
> Dug this out for you guys............
>
> Dave
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "dave" <dave@cfisher.com>
> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Friday, December 22, 2006 8:39 PM
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Over-torqued GSC Prop-- Take out of service
> immediatly
>
>
>>
>> Dwayne,
>>
>> Call Rick Peters the owner if GSC at (250) 549-3772 or email him at
>> info@ultralightprops.com
>> I was just talking to Rick yesterday and I think he is shut down till Jan
>> 3, but call or email to confirm.
>>
>> I would highly recommend that you take your prop out of service
>> immediately.
>> If you lose a blade you will destroy your engine mount and you could lose
>> your engine and ....well you don't want that to happen. I have on mine
>> a
>> safety cable attached to engine and ties to fuselage under the dash. If
>> that engine breaks free all that will be holding it on is the heater
>> hose
>> and fuel lines. Carbs will fly off.
>>
>> I have first hand experience in Prop departures in aircraft myself and
>> have
>> worked on others this year that have had the same.
>>
>> If the GSC alum hub halve blocks are touching that means that the root
>> ends
>> of the blades have been crushed. If crushed they will not only NOT hold
>> the
>> pitch in the hub but the grains of the hardwood have most likely have
>> been
>> compromised and you could be looking at failure at ANY time.
>>
>> Your choice ,
>>
>> Dave
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "dcsfoto" <david@kelm.com>
> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2007 12:01 PM
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: GSC Propeller - edit - Barry more questions
>
>
>>
>> many years ago I built a MEAD Adventure,prior to finishing the designer
>> Mr Mead was killed when the aircraft was testing had an engine mount
>> fail.
>> the engine and mount seperated the airframe.
>> i am building a Model 7 and it will have a cable engine to airframe.
>> cheap insurance
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p'291#96291
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> Looking for earth-friendly autos?
> Browse Top Cars by "Green Rating" at Yahoo! Autos' Green Center.
> http://autos.yahoo.com/green_center/
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Safety Cable Attached to Engine |
Thanks Dave!
----- Original Message ----
From: D. Fisher <d@cfisher.com>
Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2007 4:09:29 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Safety Cable Attached to Engine
I just looked and cannot find a pic but next time I have cowl off I will get
a pic.
Basically I drilled 2 holes in firewall and feed 1/8" cable through the
holes and fished it around I think 4 tubes aft of firewall and back out
through the second hole in hte firewall.
Then I made a loop on each end of cable and crimped a nico pres on each
one.
Each Cable end loop is attached to 2 existing studs on bottom of engine then
a large flat washer and double nuts. I think they are metric but about
7/16" size approx.
I will add that I posted this a while ago and here it is ...............
Dave
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jose M. Toro" <jose_m_toro@yahoo.com>
Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2007 2:58 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Safety Cable Attached to Engine
>
> Hi All:
>
> Coud someone explain how the cable is attached to the engine and to the
> airframe? Could you provide pictures?
>
> Thanks!
>
> Jose
>
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| Subject: | Stratus 2000 Radiator |
I am putting a Stratus 2000 Subaru EA81 100hp in a Kitfox IV.
I am wondering if anyone else has done this and what size radiator they
used, if there was proper cooling and how it was mounted?
Richard Toomey
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| Subject: | Builders Manual PDF |
If someone has a kitfox manual, they can send it to me and I can PDF it
for
all to be able to use if need be..
Just an offer...
--------
Leni
Hi ! Leni,
are you talking about the operations manual or the
builders manual ? I did not build my MKIV but wish I had the builders
manual. Civil Aviation Safety Authority CASA here in Australia are about
to revamp Part 103 and are asking for comment. In doing that they
mention doing the maintainence in conjuction with the builders manual.
Well they just say manual but I assume they must mean builders manual.
It's almost like they expect everyone to have the manual and frankly I
think it would be a good idea. I suggested in my reply that I thought
our governing body RAAus should try to post these manuals on their
website. I can't see it being that hard for common planes like Kitfox's
anyway.
I would suspect most owners are not the builder and therefore in a lot
of cases do not have the builders manual. It seems to me this manual
would be fairly big, is it feasable for you to PDF it ? If so that
would be really great.
Rex.
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I recieved mine today and I read the instructions and the 4c that I got is for
a 4 stroke but only with points and condenser, mine is 4 stoke with electronic.
I called the factory 1-360-920-1300 and was told I needed the 2c and also said
the 2x is better, x is for keeping interference from the other cylenders out
or something like that. I wish I would have called the factory direct, now
I'm sending the other one to the factory and they will send me the other one,
which acs doesn't stock. live and learn I guess.
--------
kitfoxmike
model IV, 1200
speedster
912ul
Do not archive
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p'376#96376
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A little help for all interested...the area code for Tiny Tach is 630.
http://www.tinytach.com/tinytach/index.php
--------
Dave
Speedster 912 UL
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p'384#96384
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| Subject: | Builders Manual PDF |
We have Manuals available. The Build Manuals and Pilots Guides are
copyrighted and therefore cannot post them on their webs.
Fly Safe !!
John McBean
208.337.5111
www.kitfoxaircraft.com
"It's not how Fast... It's how Fun!"
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Rex Shaw
Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2007 11:21 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Builders Manual PDF
If someone has a kitfox manual, they can send it to me and I can PDF it for
all to be able to use if need be..
Just an offer...
--------
Leni
Hi ! Leni,
are you talking about the operations manual or the builders
manual ? I did not build my MKIV but wish I had the builders manual. Civil
Aviation Safety Authority CASA here in Australia are about to revamp Part
103 and are asking for comment. In doing that they mention doing the
maintainence in conjuction with the builders manual. Well they just say
manual but I assume they must mean builders manual. It's almost like they
expect everyone to have the manual and frankly I think it would be a good
idea. I suggested in my reply that I thought our governing body RAAus should
try to post these manuals on their website. I can't see it being that hard
for common planes like Kitfox's anyway.
I would suspect most owners are not the builder and therefore in a lot of
cases do not have the builders manual. It seems to me this manual would be
fairly big, is it feasable for you to PDF it ? If so that would be really
great.
Rex.
--
1:44 PM
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You will be pleased with how the unit will work. One thing though don't be
surprised when the screen goes blank when turning off one of your mags.
Someone mentioned wrapping the pick up wire around both HT wires going to a
cylinder that way you won't get the drop out.
Noel
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
> kitfoxmike
> Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2007 8:38 PM
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Tiny Tach
>
>
> <customtrans@qwest.net>
>
> I recieved mine today and I read the instructions and the 4c
> that I got is for a 4 stroke but only with points and
> condenser, mine is 4 stoke with electronic. I called the
> factory 1-360-920-1300 and was told I needed the 2c and also
> said the 2x is better, x is for keeping interference from the
> other cylenders out or something like that. I wish I would
> have called the factory direct, now I'm sending the other one
> to the factory and they will send me the other one, which acs
> doesn't stock. live and learn I guess.
>
> --------
> kitfoxmike
> model IV, 1200
> speedster
> 912ul
> Do not archive
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p'376#96376
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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