---------------------------------------------------------- Kitfox-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Fri 02/23/07: 12 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 08:10 AM - Re: Tinted or clear windscreen (Lynn Matteson) 2. 09:13 AM - Re: Tiny Tach (Tom Jones) 3. 01:31 PM - Re: Tinted or clear windscreen (DanM) 4. 02:35 PM - Re: Re: Tiny Tach (Marco Menezes) 5. 02:43 PM - Re: Re: Tinted or clear windscreen (Jose M. Toro) 6. 03:10 PM - Re: Tinted or clear windscreen (DanM) 7. 03:38 PM - Re: Re: Tinted or clear windscreen (Lynn Matteson) 8. 03:59 PM - New Web Site (Lowell Fitt) 9. 04:03 PM - Re: Tinted or clear windscreen (DanM) 10. 05:49 PM - Re: Tiny Tach (Nick Scholtes) 11. 06:50 PM - To the Kitfox group - Info about the latest on the GEO conversion. (Earl White) 12. 09:39 PM - Re: To the Kitfox group - Info about the latest on the GEO conversion. (ron schick) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 08:10:43 AM PST US From: Lynn Matteson Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Tinted or clear windscreen I have the grey (smoke?) tinted LP Aeroplastics windshield/skylight on my IV, and have found no problems with it. Lynn On Feb 22, 2007, at 5:14 PM, DanM wrote: > > I have smoke tinted one piece turtledeck for my model IV. I'm > concidering going with a smoke tinted windscreen as well. Any > opinions out there, pro or con?? > > Thanks > > -------- > Dan Mc Intyre > Kitfox Model IV, Jab 2200 > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p'747#96747 > > ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 09:13:27 AM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Tiny Tach From: "Tom Jones" [quote="msm_9949(at)yahoo.com"]Thanks guys, but back to my original question: Can anyone tell me what model to get for a 582? The 582 fires each cylinder at top and bottom with each plug wire, ie. each plug wire fires two times for each revolution of the crank shaft. Being that you hook the tiny tack to one spark plug wire, I would say the model 1C is the one for a 582. Tom Jones Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p'878#96878 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 01:31:20 PM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Tinted or clear windscreen From: "DanM" Thanks all for the advice on the windscreen tinting decision, I think I will go with smoke tinted. Based on the replies as well as knowing how hot and bright get here in central california in the summer. Do not archieve -------- Dan Mc Intyre Kitfox Model IV, Jab 2200 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p'929#96929 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 02:35:40 PM PST US From: Marco Menezes Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Tiny Tach Thanks Tom. That's the answer I was looking for, confirmed by tech support at Tiny Tach. Model 1C, attach a wire (2-3 wraps) to each plug of one Ducati ignition system. [quote="msm_9949(at)yahoo.com"]Thanks guys, but back to my original question: Can anyone tell me what model to get for a 582? The 582 fires each cylinder at top and bottom with each plug wire, ie. each plug wire fires two times for each revolution of the crank shaft. Being that you hook the tiny tack to one spark plug wire, I would say the model 1C is the one for a 582. Tom Jones Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p'878#96878 Marco Menezes Model 2 582 N99KX --------------------------------- 8:00? 8:25? 8:40? Find a flick in no time with theYahoo! Search movie showtime shortcut. ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 02:43:06 PM PST US From: "Jose M. Toro" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Tinted or clear windscreen Dan: Do you have a picture of your Jab powered Kitfox that you may share with the list? Jose ----- Original Message ---- From: DanM Sent: Friday, February 23, 2007 5:30:37 PM Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Tinted or clear windscreen Thanks all for the advice on the windscreen tinting decision, I think I will go with smoke tinted. Based on the replies as well as knowing how hot and bright get here in central california in the summer. Do not archieve -------- Dan Mc Intyre Kitfox Model IV, Jab 2200 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p'929#96929 It's here! Your new message! Get new email alerts with the free Yahoo! Toolbar. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/toolbar/features/mail/ ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 03:10:54 PM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Tinted or clear windscreen From: "DanM" Yes, some construction photos, the Kitfox is about 90% complete. I'll dig some up and try and post them. Do not archieve -------- Dan Mc Intyre Kitfox Model IV, Jab 2200 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p'947#96947 ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 03:38:57 PM PST US From: Lynn Matteson Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Tinted or clear windscreen Welcome to Kitfox, and Kitfox's with Jabiru's in particular, Dan....or have you been with this group for awhile, and I'm just senile? Lynn Kitfox IV Speedster...Jabiru 2200 do not archive On Feb 23, 2007, at 6:10 PM, DanM wrote: > > Yes, some construction photos, the Kitfox is about 90% complete. > I'll dig some up and try and post them. > > Do not archieve > > -------- > Dan Mc Intyre > Kitfox Model IV, Jab 2200 > ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 03:59:16 PM PST US From: "Lowell Fitt" Subject: Kitfox-List: New Web Site List, Pardon the post, but a friend and I have formed a small Kitfox assist partnership. We hope to offer some things that may have some benefit to Kitfox owners and builders. We are small to be sure, but hope to add more to the line-up as we grow. We have a website that shows what we have and as a bonus, we will be posting short video segments on a regular basis - weekly is the plan - to show some of the places Kitfoxes can go and what they can do. These are real fun airplanes to be sure. The URL is http://highwingllc.com . We have been on line for three weeks so check the video archive section for the other two video segments. We have accumulated lots of hours of video so return regularly for a look. Lowell ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 04:03:41 PM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Tinted or clear windscreen From: "DanM" Lynn, I've been a "lurker" for quite sometime. I have some questions so I thought I would join in. Working out pretty good. -------- Dan Mc Intyre Kitfox Model IV, Jab 2200 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p'956#96956 ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 05:49:39 PM PST US From: Nick Scholtes Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Tiny Tach Roger, The SenDEC tach is pretty much just like the Tiny Tach ('cept that it doesn't lock up arbitrarily!), in that it's powered by an internal Li battery. It gets it's input by a very novel, non-contact approach. You simply take a wire of any length that you'd like, on the "engine" end, wrap it a couple of turns around the spark plug wire (just like the Tiny Tach), and on the tach end, there is a little hole and strain-relief molded into the plastic housing, and you just insert the end of the wire into that. Viola', hooked up! Very clever, IMO. Best, Nick Time: 06:00:33 PM PST US From: "Roger Standley" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Tiny Tach Nick,I, too, have had poor luck with the Tiny Tach. I went to the SenDEC site and still have a couple questions and you ma y know the answers. From where does it take its rpm input? What is its power requirement? Same as the Tiny Tach? Thank you, Roger ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 06:50:36 PM PST US From: "Earl White" Subject: Kitfox-List: To the Kitfox group - Info about the latest on the GEO conversion. Please excuse this newbie. Not really sure how the forum is going to work, but I will keep trying untill I get it right. OK, I have my private license, but I HATE the small cessnas that I had to train in because you can't see out of them well enough Almost got killed in a midair situation. The other plane never saw me either, and we missed at a 90 degree angle by about 3 or four feet. No time to react. Anyway, I have a friend who has no access to this fine site, No email. Lives in rural Kansas, and the IP is not into good service, so he does without. We communicate from his work email and by phone. The friend's name is Bruce Bennett and he has two Kitfoxes. The first one is a GEO metro conversion that he bought from his father in law about two years ago. It will fly for a few minutes before it overheats and he has to land, so he never leaves the pattern. This is really a shame because it's a beautiful bird. Starts easy, runs strong untill it overheats and he has to set it down. Bruce is a good pilot and also has his private pilot's license. The Geo is a 1000 cc three cylinder with a Raven re-drive and a three bladed prop. I believe that he can achieve 5200 engine rpms on the ground without a problem. Radiator- Bruce's kitfox kit had a radiator for a Rotax installation in the items included with the plane, but his father in law opted for the GEO for the reason of cost and availabillity. Bruce's father in law lost his medical, and could no longer fly, so Bruce bought the project and has been trying to fly off the neccessary hours to get the plane ready for it's homebuilt inspection and certification papers. the radiator from the Rotax 912 was plumbed into the system and was mounted across the fuselage under the belly of the bird right in the airstream. there was no shroud or cowling. It didn't provide enough cooling, and the temp would reach 220 in about two minutes flying time. The engine would never over heat on the ground which we thought was puzzling, but would wait untill you were on the crosswind or downwind leg of the pattern and the rpm's would start to drop off. We thought this to be rather a downing gripe, so we tried several other arrangements with larger radiators. One of these was about 2 ft square, and also hung down below the fuselage directly in the airstream, and it did provide more flying time, but at the expense of a huge amount of drag, whichalso limited the airspeed to about 55 or 60. With this confiuration on a cool day, the plane did not overheat, but was definitely nose heavy, and the large area of the radiator was too much drag for the machine to call it anything but an experiment. We knew this, of course, but it was a way to help troubleshoot the overheating problem that was not too complicated or hard to understand. BUT there has been no real improvement in this situation for about a year, and Bruce has put the Kitfox asside for a more flyable aircraft which is an Ercoupe. There is no overheating problem with it, , and it is more of a dependable ride by far. So what I need from this group if anyone has the time or can steer me in the right direction a source of Kitfox owners that are still running the non-turbo GEO conversions with the Raven RE-drive who are NOT overheating and who are willing to share their experiences and know how. Maybe some pics. I will get a list of questions together for Bruce to answer, and be the Laision officer, but I'm sure that Bruce would answer any and all who might be willing to help in any way. Anyone can send me email off the forum and I will be more than glad to forward it to Bruce and get this Kitfox fixed once and for all. Thanks and hello from North Idaho! Earl White ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 09:39:15 PM PST US From: "ron schick" Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: To the Kitfox group - Info about the latest on the GEO conversion. Earl Mine is not Geo, but I had the same symptom and found my tach was off by a mile. Try a photo tach from an rc hobby shop to make sure you are not attempting 7000 rpms. After pitching my prop the other way it does fine. Yes the Geo does stay cool on other planes. Ron NB Ore >From: "Earl White" >To: >Subject: Kitfox-List: To the Kitfox group - Info about the latest on the >GEO conversion. >Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 18:48:32 -0800 > >Please excuse this newbie. Not really sure how the forum is going to work, >but I will keep trying untill I get it right. > >OK, I have my private license, but I HATE the small cessnas that I had to >train in because you can't see out of them well enough Almost got killed >in a midair situation. The other plane never saw me either, and we missed >at a 90 degree angle by about 3 or four feet. No time to react. > >Anyway, I have a friend who has no access to this fine site, No email. >Lives in rural Kansas, and the IP is not into good service, so he does >without. We communicate from his work email and by phone. The friend's name >is Bruce Bennett and he has two Kitfoxes. >The first one is a GEO metro conversion that he bought from his father in >law about two years ago. >It will fly for a few minutes before it overheats and he has to land, so he >never leaves the pattern. > >This is really a shame because it's a beautiful bird. >Starts easy, runs strong untill it overheats and he has to set it down. >Bruce is a good pilot and also has his private pilot's license. > >The Geo is a 1000 cc three cylinder with a Raven re-drive and a three >bladed prop. I believe that he can achieve 5200 engine rpms on the ground >without a problem. > >Radiator- Bruce's kitfox kit had a radiator for a Rotax installation in the >items included with the plane, but his father in law opted for the GEO for >the reason of cost and availabillity. Bruce's father in law lost his >medical, and could no longer fly, so Bruce bought the project and has been >trying to fly off the neccessary hours to get the plane ready for it's >homebuilt inspection and certification papers. the radiator from the Rotax >912 was plumbed into the system and was mounted across the fuselage under >the belly of the bird right in the airstream. there was no shroud or >cowling. It didn't provide enough cooling, and the temp would reach 220 in >about two minutes flying time. The engine would never over heat on the >ground which we thought was puzzling, but would wait untill you were on the >crosswind or downwind leg of the pattern and the rpm's would start to drop >off. We thought this to be rather a downing gripe, so we tried several >other arrangements with larger radiators. One of these was about 2 ft >square, and also hung down below the fuselage directly in the airstream, >and it did provide more flying time, but at the expense of a huge amount of >drag, whichalso limited the airspeed to about 55 or 60. With this >confiuration on a cool day, the plane did not overheat, but was definitely >nose heavy, and the large area of the radiator was too much drag for the >machine to call it anything but an experiment. We knew this, of course, but >it was a way to help troubleshoot the overheating problem that was not too >complicated or hard to understand. BUT there has been no real improvement >in this situation for about a year, and Bruce has put the Kitfox asside for >a more flyable aircraft which is an Ercoupe. There is no overheating >problem with it, , and it is more of a dependable ride by far. > >So what I need from this group if anyone has the time or can steer me in >the right direction a source of Kitfox owners that are still running the >non-turbo GEO conversions with the Raven RE-drive who are NOT overheating >and who are willing to share their experiences and know how. Maybe some >pics. I will get a list of questions together for Bruce to answer, and be >the Laision officer, but I'm sure that Bruce would answer any and all who >might be willing to help in any way. > >Anyone can send me email off the forum and I will be more than glad to >forward it to Bruce and get this Kitfox fixed once and for all. > >Thanks and hello from North Idaho! > >Earl White _________________________________________________________________ Play Flexicon: the crossword game that feeds your brain. 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