---------------------------------------------------------- Kitfox-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Mon 02/26/07: 35 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 12:17 AM - Re: wheel penetrating ski \\plans (Michel Verheughe) 2. 02:30 AM - Kitfox ferry flight to Alaska (Steve Zakreski) 3. 03:57 AM - Re: New Web Site Congrats !! (D. Fisher) 4. 04:07 AM - Updated GPS info - Plotting on Google Earth. HOW TO DO (D. Fisher) 5. 04:57 AM - Re: Radiator Mods for NSI engine (D. Fisher) 6. 05:11 AM - Re: GPS info (Bob) 7. 05:48 AM - Rotax service (Brent E Bidus) 8. 06:30 AM - Re: Rotax service (floran higgins) 9. 06:38 AM - Re: wheel penetrating ski \\plans (Lynn Matteson) 10. 07:01 AM - Re: KITFOX FLY-IN (Lynn Matteson) 11. 07:32 AM - Re: 296 gps wanted (Mdkitfox@aol.com) 12. 08:15 AM - Speedster Wheel Pants and Tires (Nick Scholtes) 13. 08:20 AM - Re: KITFOX FLY-IN (GAry Olson) 14. 09:42 AM - Re: KITFOX FLY-IN (RAY Gignac) 15. 10:06 AM - Re: Rotax service (Barry West) 16. 10:25 AM - Re: KITFOX FLY-IN (Barry West) 17. 10:43 AM - Re: Speedster Wheel Pants and Tires (Lynn Matteson) 18. 10:50 AM - Re: KITFOX FLY-IN (Lynn Matteson) 19. 11:06 AM - Re: Rotax service (Alan Daniels) 20. 11:30 AM - Re: KITFOX FLY-IN (GAry Olson) 21. 11:33 AM - Container packing question (Bernhard10) 22. 12:41 PM - KITFOX FLY-IN (Rexster) 23. 01:42 PM - Re: KITFOX FLY-IN (Barry West) 24. 01:53 PM - Re: KITFOX FLY-IN (Barry West) 25. 02:58 PM - Kitfox for Sale (Jim Crowder) 26. 05:47 PM - Re: Kitfox ferry flight to Alaska (dcsfoto) 27. 05:49 PM - Re: Rotax service (Noel Loveys) 28. 05:56 PM - Re: Updated GPS info - Plotting on Google Earth. HOW TO DO (Noel Loveys) 29. 06:25 PM - Re: Kitfox ferry flight to Alaska (Tom Jones) 30. 07:06 PM - Re: Rotax service (Brent E Bidus) 31. 07:29 PM - 582 Exhaust Fumes (jareds) 32. 07:58 PM - Re: 582 Exhaust Fumes (Larry Martin) 33. 08:07 PM - Re: Updated GPS info - Plotting on Google Earth. HOW TO DO (david yeamans) 34. 08:35 PM - Re: 582 Exhaust Fumes (john perry) 35. 09:39 PM - Re: Re: Kitfox ferry flight to Alaska (Lowell Fitt) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 12:17:22 AM PST US From: Michel Verheughe Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: wheel penetrating ski \\plans On Feb 26, 2007, at 4:15 AM, Malcolmbru@aol.com wrote: > can someone direct me to a set ofwheel penetrating skiplans? a site > to download from or something. I saw a set go for moor than $600 on > ebay last month . I want to build a set for next year mal Malcom, here is the plan of the wheel penetrating skis I made a few years ago: http://home.online.no/~michel/tmp/SkiFox.pdf And here are some photos of the installation: http://home.online.no/~michel/ski/ They were made by a friend who is a professional welder, from my drawing based on photos of an Avid Flyer ski. Lynn, on this list, has made something similar, although with small changes. There are certainly many solutions; pick the one you feel most comfortable with and ... good luck. Cheers, Michel ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 02:30:59 AM PST US From: Steve Zakreski Subject: Kitfox-List: Kitfox ferry flight to Alaska Layne If you get stuck, let me know. I live in Calgary, own a Classic 4, have a 1000 hours total flying time, mostly in and around the mountains, and could fly it up. SteveZ Calgary _____ From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of debrun26@juno.com Sent: Sunday, February 25, 2007 2:22 PM Subject: Kitfox-List: 296 gps wanted I would like to buy a used Garmin296 if anyone is upgrading. The 496 upgrades don't work here in Alaska but I would like the 296 to help me learn to fly. I bought a KF S5 last fall but it's stuck in Snahomish, Wa till I can get decent weather and I can find someone to fly it to Alaska for me. I DON'T want to trailer it up the Al-Can hiway under any circumstances but if anyone on the list has any other suggestions please let me know. Layne ________________________________________________________________________ FREE Reminder Service - NEW from AmericanGreetings.com Click HERE and never forget a Birthday or Anniversary again! ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 03:57:52 AM PST US From: "D. Fisher" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: New Web Site Congrats !! Lowell, Great idea and site offering some neat stuff for the Kitfoxes. I wish you and your partner the best success. I would like to suggest that if you want to show vidoes to post them so that they can be downloaded for full size viewing. If Bandwidth is a concern then one other option is to do what I have done here http://www.cfisher.com and post a link to YouTube. http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=kitfoxflyer on my site . You will get a real community enviroment plus you will get alot more viewers to be able to see you site and hopefully extra sales will follow. I checked and your site name is not yet registered http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=highwingllc So you could get that one if you prefer and it would reflect upon your niche business. Hope this helps, Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lowell Fitt" Sent: Friday, February 23, 2007 6:58 PM Subject: Kitfox-List: New Web Site > > List, > > Pardon the post, but a friend and I have formed a small Kitfox assist > partnership. We hope to offer some things that may have some benefit to > Kitfox owners and builders. We are small to be sure, but hope to add more > to the line-up as we grow. > > We have a website that shows what we have and as a bonus, we will be > posting short video segments on a regular basis - weekly is the plan - to > show some of the places Kitfoxes can go and what they can do. These are > real fun airplanes to be sure. > > The URL is http://highwingllc.com . We have been on line for three weeks > so check the video archive section for the other two video segments. We > have accumulated lots of hours of video so return regularly for a look. > > Lowell > > > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 04:07:25 AM PST US From: "D. Fisher" Subject: Kitfox-List: Updated GPS info - Plotting on Google Earth. HOW TO DO Ok, Looking at the stats from my site, hundreds of you have looked at my GPS info over the last few days. That tells me that we have some interest here and some shy folks that need some more info. I did get quite a few private emails asking on how this was done so................... I have updated the info here http://www.cfisher.com/gps/ and you have a basic crash course in how in a few minutes to be able to view your own flight tracks. GPS are great tools but never leave home without current charts and thorough knowledge of dead reakoning in the event of failure. Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: "D. Fisher" Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2007 6:58 AM Subject: Kitfox-List: GPS info - Plotting on Google Earth. > > Michel, > > I am a GPS user amd I just plotted some tracks from previous GPS data > onto Google Earth > http://www.cfisher.com/gps There is a link to next pictured at bottom > of each page. > > You can see that the GPS I use seems to be fairly accurate with the > exception of over some larger bodies of water. > I think Kurt mentioned that if could be some reflection off the water or > something ? > > I find the altitudes pretty good over all. I usuallly am within 50 feet > on arrival at most airports or lakes. I have used several GPSs over the > years and this Garmin 196 seem to work well and good bang for the buck. > > Just make sure you get all the firmware updates and Jeppeson data in it > once in a while so that you can utilize it the best. Learning curve on the > GPS is lengthy until you figure out everything you can do with it. Now > you can get Wx and radar on the newer models with subscription. But If > you have a blackberry you can load that from a website as well. > > Hope this is an attribute to all pilots. > > > Dave > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Michel Verheughe" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2007 3:32 PM > Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: GPS info > > > > On Feb 21, 2007, at 7:43 PM, D. Fisher wrote: >> I also use WAAS which seems alot more accurate than without. > > Yes, it certainly is a big advantage on your continent, Dave. > Regarding the accuracy of altitude (non WAAS, that is) my observation > is that it is not that bad either. But, as the geometry of the > satellites get unfavourable, the first accuracy to go is the altitude. > That's why a 3D position requires more satellites than a 2D. > Now, while most of the time the altitude is within reasonable values, > it may - and will, with time - become inaccurate in relation to the 2D > positioning. And that "not knowing" factor is exactly what was behind > the now inactive "Selective Availability" (SA). > Until May 2000 non-NATO GPS had to suffer the SA. The idea was: 99% of > the time, it was accurate, but one percent of the time, it could be as > much as 600 feet off position. Now, would you e,g. sail your ship in no > visibility in a narrow waterway, knowing that there is one percent of > chance that you may run aground? I think not. > The same applies for e.g. GPS software simulating a virtual ILS with > glide slope. No one wants to take the responsibility to make it because > one could have bad luck and be far away from the actual altitude; even > if most of the time it would work. > At least, that what the guys who write the PocketFMS program told me. > > An interesting thing is that, while everyone thought the GPS SA would > be screwed to the highest level during Desert Storm (1991) it was the > opposite. The reason being that some of the allied forces (Saudi > Arabians) were not members of NATO and had to use the "civil" version > of the GPS. But the US DoD meant that, in any case, they had the > military superiority over the Iraqi that it didn't matter if they were > also able to position themselves accurately. > > Cheers, > Michel > > > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 04:57:03 AM PST US From: "D. Fisher" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Radiator Mods for NSI engine Clem, Although I do not have a NSI engine I will tell you I have over 30 years in the automotive field. I would suggest if your radiator sizing is correct and has worked in the past for other owners of same engine and climate then you have a problem unique to you. A good rad shop will flow test your rad and tell you if it is ok. A radiator can get get crusted up on the inside and the flow and heat transfer will suffer dramatically. Same goes for your cooling hose if you have any that are not free flowing. You can always get your rad shop to make you a new radiator with a thicker core if you do not want to expand the area of it . Rad shops that work on custom builds will know best. A radiator with a thin film of "grime" will have less cooling capacity than a clean one. Wipe a clean rag over the front of rad and see if it shows dirt. I get a ton of bugs in summer time and I power wash from rear and blow out all those bugs and dirt that collect every few weeks but that might be every 10 or 20 hours. Even a garden hose will clena alot of . Try some soap or degreaser on the radiator prior to washing to loosen up the grime. Make sure if is compatible with your rad -- Copper or Alum !! Hope that " cools " you down !! Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: Clem Nichols To: kitfox-list@matronics.com Sent: Sunday, February 25, 2007 8:32 AM Subject: Kitfox-List: Radiator Mods for NSI engine Floyd: Any pictures available on your radiator modification? My NSI EA81 does OK during cooler weather, but in the summer it has a tendency to overheat during long climbs, and the cooling is only marginal at level flight. Thanks Clem Nichols ----- Original Message ----- From: Floyd Johnson To: kitfox-list@matronics.com Sent: Saturday, February 24, 2007 9:50 PM Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: To the Kitfox group - Info about the latest on the GEO conversion. Hi Earl, Contact Jay Roese on his cell 585-729-5098 and discribe your problem to him. He will get it worked out for you. I expect he will contact the Geo engine manufacturer, General Motors I think, and get the cooling requirements for that engine. Then he will contact his radiator builder and have them build you a radiator that fits the engines needs. Also, Lowell is correct that proper direction of the airflow thru the radiator is important. I achieved it with aluminum flashing and cowl seal. Just cut it and form it to fit between the radiator and the cowl in a way that the airflow pushes it in place and directs all the air thru the radiator. It worked for me after years of overheating problems with an inadequate NSI design. Regards, Floyd ----- Original Message ----- From: Don Pearsall To: kitfox-list@matronics.com Sent: 2/24/2007 11:45:12 AM Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: To the Kitfox group - Info about the latest on the GEO conversion. Earl, welcome to the Kitfox List, and tell your friend welcome too. I have heard of lots of situations like this one, where a radiator is obviously not cooling as it should. The problem is that the airstream finds its way around the radiator with little air actually going through the radiator fins. It is the old story of the path of least resistance. Air going through the radiator is actually quite draggy as you know, and a high pressure builds up in front of the radiator, with not enough low pressure behind it. The only solution is a cowling around the rad that will create a high and low pressure. I am sure there are lots of pics around that show this. There are many builders on this list that have built their own custom cowlings, and I am sure they will chime in. Don Pearsall From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Earl White Sent: Friday, February 23, 2007 6:49 PM To: kitfox-list@matronics.com Subject: Kitfox-List: To the Kitfox group - Info about the latest on the GEO conversion. Please excuse this newbie. Not really sure how the forum is going to work, but I will keep trying untill I get it right. OK, I have my private license, but I HATE the small cessnas that I had to train in because you can't see out of them well enough Almost got killed in a midair situation. The other plane never saw me either, and we missed at a 90 degree angle by about 3 or four feet. No time to react. Anyway, I have a friend who has no access to this fine site, No email. Lives in rural Kansas, and the IP is not into good service, so he does without. We communicate from his work email and by phone. The friend's name is Bruce Bennett and he has two Kitfoxes. The first one is a GEO metro conversion that he bought from his father in law about two years ago. It will fly for a few minutes before it overheats and he has to land, so he never leaves the pattern. This is really a shame because it's a beautiful bird. Starts easy, runs strong untill it overheats and he has to set it down. Bruce is a good pilot and also has his private pilot's license. The Geo is a 1000 cc three cylinder with a Raven re-drive and a three bladed prop. I believe that he can achieve 5200 engine rpms on the ground without a problem. Radiator- Bruce's kitfox kit had a radiator for a Rotax installation in the items included with the plane, but his father in law opted for the GEO for the reason of cost and availabillity. Bruce's father in law lost his medical, and could no longer fly, so Bruce bought the project and has been trying to fly off the neccessary hours to get the plane ready for it's homebuilt inspection and certification papers. the radiator from the Rotax 912 was plumbed into the system and was mounted across the fuselage under the belly of the bird right in the airstream. there was no shroud or cowling. It didn't provide enough cooling, and the temp would reach 220 in about two minutes flying time. The engine would never over heat on the ground which we thought was puzzling, but would wait untill you were on the crosswind or downwind leg of the pattern and the r pm's would start to drop off. We thought this to be rather a downing gripe, so we tried several other arrangements with larger radiators. One of these was about 2 ft square, and also hung down below the fuselage directly in the airstream, and it did provide more flying time, but at the expense of a huge amount of drag, whichalso limited the airspeed to about 55 or 60. With this confiuration on a cool day, the plane did not overheat, but was definitely nose heavy, and the large area of the radiator was too much drag for the machine to call it anything but an experiment. We knew this, of course, but it was a way to help troubleshoot the overheating problem that was not too complicated or hard to understand. BUT there has been no real improvement in this situation for about a year, and Bruce has put the Kitfox asside for a more flyable aircraft which is an Ercoupe. There is no overheating problem with it, , and it is more of a dependable ride by far. So what I need from this group if anyone has the time or can steer me in the right direction a source of Kitfox owners that are still running the non-turbo GEO conversions with the Raven RE-drive who are NOT overheating and who are willing to share their experiences and know how. Maybe some pics. I will get a list of questions together for Bruce to answer, and be the Laision officer, but I'm sure that Bruce would answer any and all who might be willing to help in any way. Anyone can send me email off the forum and I will be more than glad to forward it to Bruce and get this Kitfox fixed once and for all. Thanks and hello from North Idaho! Earl White - The Kitfox-List Email Forum ---> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List - NEW MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - --> http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List">http://www.matron href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 05:11:44 AM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: GPS info From: "Bob" I've seen several hundred feet of difference between altimeter and GPS. Living in the big ADIZ/FRZ of Baltimore/Washington, and flying frequently within 100-200 feet under the Class B ceiling, this would be more than enough to easily get busted. Also, the transponder works on pressure, not actual/corrected altitude, so an encoder would still be needed under Class B. Bob Vixen in work -------- Remember that internet advice may only be worth what you pay. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=97378#97378 ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 05:48:43 AM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Rotax service From: Brent E Bidus List, I've got a Rotax 912 that I'd like to send off to a repair center to have some service bulletins taken care of. It's an older model but never been run. Looking for recommendations from anyone who has personal experience dealing with one of the authorized service centers. Thanks, Brent Bidus Classic 4 Colorado Springs ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 06:30:26 AM PST US From: "floran higgins" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Rotax service I have never had a engine overhauled but I have talked to the technicians at Lockwood about several problems.They seem very helpful and knowledgable on the 912 engine. Floran H. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brent E Bidus" Sent: Monday, February 26, 2007 6:46 AM Subject: Kitfox-List: Rotax service > > > List, > > I've got a Rotax 912 that I'd like to send off to a repair center to have > some service bulletins taken care of. It's an older model but never been > run. Looking for recommendations from anyone who has personal experience > dealing with one of the authorized service centers. Thanks, > > Brent Bidus > Classic 4 > Colorado Springs > > > ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 06:38:41 AM PST US From: Lynn Matteson Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: wheel penetrating ski \\plans If you can wait until we can get together at some fly-in here in Michigan, Mal, I can show you my skis. Do you have the Grove gear, or the tube and bungee? My design is for the Grove gear, but could be changed just like I took about three designs and changed them to suit myself/my plane. I got pictures and info from John Perry and Dave, and another design from Italy, and also from Michel who answered you. I spent about $450 for the materials, and had to design and build mine, so that $600 is not a bad deal. Lynn On Feb 25, 2007, at 10:15 PM, Malcolmbru@aol.com wrote: > can someone direct me to a set of wheel penetrating ski plans? a > site to download from or something. I saw a set go for moor than > $600 on ebay last month . I want to build a set for next year mal > > > AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's > free from/1615326657x4311227241x4298082137/aol?redir=http%3A%2F% > 2Fwww%2Eaol%2Ecom" target="_blank">AOL.com. _- > www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List _- > =========================================================== ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 07:01:33 AM PST US From: Lynn Matteson Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: KITFOX FLY-IN Speaking of camping with your Kitfox at Oshkosh, what are the rules? It seems like some Kitfoxes are parked where Rex indicated (and no camping), and some are parked quite a ways further away...North, I believe, and camp under the wing. Lynn do not archive On Feb 25, 2007, at 5:45 PM, Rexster wrote: > This sounds like a great idea. I'm guessing that between now and > July, there may be some good discussion about this. I would prefer > to fly in to Oshkosh on an earlier date though. Normally, Mike > Fisher and I fly in with our two Foxes on Saturday or even Friday > to reserve a row for Kitfoxes near the north end of the flight > line. For those of you who camp with your planes, this may or may > not be an issue. If we were to all fly in on the first day of the > show as planned, it would be difficult to park together. > > Since the Broadhead Airport Fly-in runs Friday and Saturday, maybe > we could attend on Friday and do our formation to Oshkosh on > Saturday after we enjoy breakfast at Broadhead. Is there camping at > Broadhead? > > Just some thoughts to start the discussion. I'm liking this idea! > By the way, I found Broadhead on a chart.......... west and a bit > south of Chicago. > > Rex in Michigan > > > -- "Don Pearsall" wrote: > > This is from Gene Calkins, a long-time KF builder. Everybody who is > going to Oshkosh should consider flying in as a formation. > > www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List _- > =========================================================== ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 07:32:52 AM PST US From: Mdkitfox@aol.com Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: 296 gps wanted Layne, I have a Garmin 296 I would be willing to sell. You can contact me off line via email or phone (C) 301-502-8029. DO NOT ARCHIVE Rick Series V Speedster - N39RW


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AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 08:15:42 AM PST US From: Nick Scholtes Subject: Kitfox-List: Speedster Wheel Pants and Tires KitFoxers, I recently purchased a Model IV Speedster. The kit came with wheel pants, but the builder never installed them, opting for large tundra tires instead. I would like to install the wheel pants. I've read somewhere that the tires that go under the pants are a different size than the stock tires. But I've never seen it written anywhere as to what that size is. So, some questions: -- What is the "standard" Kitfox tire size? --What size tire goes under the wheel pants? -- What pressures does everybody typically run in their tires? The builder included the wheel pants. In reading the installation instructions, there is a spindle that is used to support the outboard end of the pants. -- Does anybody have a pair of wheel pant spindles that they would be willing to sell? Thanks very much! Nick Scholtes ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 08:20:25 AM PST US From: GAry Olson Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: KITFOX FLY-IN I spoke with John McBean at Oshkosh last year and he was interested in trying to get a designated Kitfox section together. I am no 100% sure as to how the parking/camping thing works here, but I can look into it. It may help if I know how many planes to expect and who is looking to camp. I live here so I don't park on the grounds, but if anyone has any suggestions forward them to me and I can get a hold of a couple of friends at the EAA and try to get a spot that is favorable to the group. Gary Olson Oshkosh DO NOT ARCHIVE ----- Original Message ---- From: Lynn Matteson Sent: Monday, February 26, 2007 9:03:34 AM Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: KITFOX FLY-IN Speaking of camping with your Kitfox at Oshkosh, what are the rules? It seems like some Kitfoxes are parked where Rex indicated (and no camping), and some are parked quite a ways further away...North, I believe, and camp under the wing. Lynn do not archive On Feb 25, 2007, at 5:45 PM, Rexster wrote: > This sounds like a great idea. I'm guessing that between now and > July, there may be some good discussion about this. I would prefer > to fly in to Oshkosh on an earlier date though. Normally, Mike > Fisher and I fly in with our two Foxes on Saturday or even Friday > to reserve a row for Kitfoxes near the north end of the flight > line. For those of you who camp with your planes, this may or may > not be an issue. If we were to all fly in on the first day of the > show as planned, it would be difficult to park together. > > Since the Broadhead Airport Fly-in runs Friday and Saturday, maybe > we could attend on Friday and do our formation to Oshkosh on > Saturday after we enjoy breakfast at Broadhead. Is there camping at > Broadhead? > > Just some thoughts to start the discussion. I'm liking this idea! > By the way, I found Broadhead on a chart.......... west and a bit > south of Chicago. > > Rex in Michigan > > > -- "Don Pearsall" wrote: > > This is from Gene Calkins, a long-time KF builder. Everybody who is > going to Oshkosh should consider flying in as a formation. > > www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List _- > =========================================================== ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 09:42:21 AM PST US From: "RAY Gignac" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: KITFOX FLY-IN Hi Guys, I camped under my wing at Oshkosh 2005 for the week, it was fun except for the heavy wind and rain that payed a visit. Ray Model IV, 912uls N2BH >From: Lynn Matteson >To: kitfox-list@matronics.com >Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: KITFOX FLY-IN >Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 10:03:34 -0500 > > >Speaking of camping with your Kitfox at Oshkosh, what are the rules? It >seems like some Kitfoxes are parked where Rex indicated (and no camping), >and some are parked quite a ways further away...North, I believe, and camp >under the wing. > >Lynn >do not archive >On Feb 25, 2007, at 5:45 PM, Rexster wrote: > >>This sounds like a great idea. I'm guessing that between now and July, >>there may be some good discussion about this. I would prefer to fly in to >>Oshkosh on an earlier date though. Normally, Mike Fisher and I fly in >>with our two Foxes on Saturday or even Friday to reserve a row for >>Kitfoxes near the north end of the flight line. For those of you who camp >>with your planes, this may or may not be an issue. If we were to all fly >>in on the first day of the show as planned, it would be difficult to park >>together. >> >>Since the Broadhead Airport Fly-in runs Friday and Saturday, maybe we >>could attend on Friday and do our formation to Oshkosh on Saturday after >>we enjoy breakfast at Broadhead. Is there camping at Broadhead? >> >>Just some thoughts to start the discussion. I'm liking this idea! By the >>way, I found Broadhead on a chart.......... west and a bit south of >>Chicago. >> >>Rex in Michigan >> >> >> >>-- "Don Pearsall" wrote: >> >>This is from Gene Calkins, a long-time KF builder. Everybody who is going >>to Oshkosh should consider flying in as a formation. >> >>www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List _- >>=========================================================== > > _________________________________________________________________ The average US Credit Score is 675. The cost to see yours: $0 by Experian. http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=660600&bcd=EMAILFOOTERAVERAGE ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 10:06:43 AM PST US From: "Barry West" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Rotax service Brent, I don't think you can do better than Lockwood, they know the engines and are well equipped. Barry West ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brent E Bidus" Sent: Monday, February 26, 2007 7:46 AM Subject: Kitfox-List: Rotax service > > > List, > > I've got a Rotax 912 that I'd like to send off to a repair center to have > some service bulletins taken care of. It's an older model but never been > run. Looking for recommendations from anyone who has personal experience > dealing with one of the authorized service centers. Thanks, > > Brent Bidus > Classic 4 > Colorado Springs > > > ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 10:25:58 AM PST US From: "Barry West" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: KITFOX FLY-IN GAry, I have flown to Oshkosh four times and they always park me with the other Kitfoxes. The last two times they parked the Kitfoxes right in front of where we check in. Barry West ----- Original Message ----- From: "GAry Olson" Sent: Monday, February 26, 2007 10:20 AM Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: KITFOX FLY-IN > > I spoke with John McBean at Oshkosh last year and he was interested in > trying to get a designated Kitfox section together. I am no 100% sure as > to how the parking/camping thing works here, but I can look into it. It > may help if I know how many planes to expect and who is looking to camp. I > live here so I don't park on the grounds, but if anyone has any > suggestions forward them to me and I can get a hold of a couple of friends > at the EAA and try to get a spot that is favorable to the group. > > Gary Olson > Oshkosh > > DO NOT ARCHIVE > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: Lynn Matteson > To: kitfox-list@matronics.com > Sent: Monday, February 26, 2007 9:03:34 AM > Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: KITFOX FLY-IN > > > > Speaking of camping with your Kitfox at Oshkosh, what are the rules? > It seems like some Kitfoxes are parked where Rex indicated (and no > camping), and some are parked quite a ways further away...North, I > believe, and camp under the wing. > > Lynn > do not archive > On Feb 25, 2007, at 5:45 PM, Rexster wrote: > >> This sounds like a great idea. I'm guessing that between now and >> July, there may be some good discussion about this. I would prefer >> to fly in to Oshkosh on an earlier date though. Normally, Mike >> Fisher and I fly in with our two Foxes on Saturday or even Friday >> to reserve a row for Kitfoxes near the north end of the flight >> line. For those of you who camp with your planes, this may or may >> not be an issue. If we were to all fly in on the first day of the >> show as planned, it would be difficult to park together. >> >> Since the Broadhead Airport Fly-in runs Friday and Saturday, maybe >> we could attend on Friday and do our formation to Oshkosh on >> Saturday after we enjoy breakfast at Broadhead. Is there camping at >> Broadhead? >> >> Just some thoughts to start the discussion. I'm liking this idea! >> By the way, I found Broadhead on a chart.......... west and a bit >> south of Chicago. >> >> Rex in Michigan >> >> >> >> -- "Don Pearsall" wrote: >> >> This is from Gene Calkins, a long-time KF builder. Everybody who is >> going to Oshkosh should consider flying in as a formation. >> >> www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List _- >> =========================================================== > > > ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 10:43:52 AM PST US From: Lynn Matteson Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Speedster Wheel Pants and Tires Hi Nick- I run 14-15 psi in my 16 x 7 x 8 Cheng-Shin tires under/in wheel pants...Grove landing gear. The wheel pant kit should include the outboard "spindles." The standard axle gets drilled to accept these spindles...out to 1/2", as I recall. The spindles are merely a large washer and internal nut welded to the end of a length of 1/2" (I believe) chrome-moly tubing. I had decided on going to the smaller tires so they would readily fit within the pants, and so as to not cut the pants to fit the tundra tires (which I had on at the time) and then find later that the smaller tires would leave huge gaps between the tires and pants. John McBean probably has the spindles. I hope you've got the mounting brackets for the inside of the wheel pants, as I had to build mine...lotsa work. Lynn On Feb 26, 2007, at 11:14 AM, Nick Scholtes wrote: > > KitFoxers, > > I recently purchased a Model IV Speedster. The kit came with wheel > pants, but the builder never installed them, opting for large > tundra tires instead. > > I would like to install the wheel pants. I've read somewhere that > the tires that go under the pants are a different size than the > stock tires. But I've never seen it written anywhere as to what > that size is. So, some questions: > > -- What is the "standard" Kitfox tire size? > > --What size tire goes under the wheel pants? > > -- What pressures does everybody typically run in their tires? > > The builder included the wheel pants. In reading the installation > instructions, there is a spindle that is used to support the > outboard end of the pants. > > -- Does anybody have a pair of wheel pant spindles that they would > be willing to sell? > > Thanks very much! > > Nick Scholtes > > ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 10:50:30 AM PST US From: Lynn Matteson Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: KITFOX FLY-IN I asked this question of Gary, and I'll ask it here: If you would like your plane to be judged (somebody has to lose!), where do you park it, and can you camp under your plane under those circumstances? Lynn do not archive On Feb 26, 2007, at 1:27 PM, Barry West wrote: > > GAry, I have flown to Oshkosh four times and they always park me > with the other Kitfoxes. The last two times they parked the > Kitfoxes right in front of where we check in. > > Barry West > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "GAry Olson" > To: > Sent: Monday, February 26, 2007 10:20 AM > Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: KITFOX FLY-IN > ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 11:06:40 AM PST US From: Alan Daniels Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Rotax service I believe we have on list experts that do that type of work. Lookwood is great, but consider supporting those that give us valuable free information and help. Consider keeping it in the family. IMHO do not archive Barry West wrote: > > Brent, I don't think you can do better than Lockwood, they know the > engines and are well equipped. > > Barry West > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brent E Bidus" > To: > Sent: Monday, February 26, 2007 7:46 AM > Subject: Kitfox-List: Rotax service > > >> >> >> List, >> >> I've got a Rotax 912 that I'd like to send off to a repair center to >> have >> some service bulletins taken care of. It's an older model but never >> been >> run. Looking for recommendations from anyone who has personal >> experience >> dealing with one of the authorized service centers. Thanks, >> >> Brent Bidus >> Classic 4 >> Colorado Springs >> >> >> >> > > ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 11:30:08 AM PST US From: GAry Olson Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: KITFOX FLY-IN Barry, Attached is the link to the EAA grounds map. Can you give me a little better location of where you and the others parked? I would assume this is not a camping area? Anyone else that has any info. feel free to jump in. http://www.airventure.org/2007/planning/grounds_map.html Gary DO NOT ARCHIVE ----- Original Message ---- From: Barry West Sent: Monday, February 26, 2007 12:27:00 PM Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: KITFOX FLY-IN GAry, I have flown to Oshkosh four times and they always park me with the other Kitfoxes. The last two times they parked the Kitfoxes right in front of where we check in. Barry West ----- Original Message ----- From: "GAry Olson" Sent: Monday, February 26, 2007 10:20 AM Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: KITFOX FLY-IN > > I spoke with John McBean at Oshkosh last year and he was interested in > trying to get a designated Kitfox section together. I am no 100% sure as > to how the parking/camping thing works here, but I can look into it. It > may help if I know how many planes to expect and who is looking to camp. I > live here so I don't park on the grounds, but if anyone has any > suggestions forward them to me and I can get a hold of a couple of friends > at the EAA and try to get a spot that is favorable to the group. > > Gary Olson > Oshkosh > > DO NOT ARCHIVE > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: Lynn Matteson > To: kitfox-list@matronics.com > Sent: Monday, February 26, 2007 9:03:34 AM > Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: KITFOX FLY-IN > > > > Speaking of camping with your Kitfox at Oshkosh, what are the rules? > It seems like some Kitfoxes are parked where Rex indicated (and no > camping), and some are parked quite a ways further away...North, I > believe, and camp under the wing. > > Lynn > do not archive > On Feb 25, 2007, at 5:45 PM, Rexster wrote: > >> This sounds like a great idea. I'm guessing that between now and >> July, there may be some good discussion about this. I would prefer >> to fly in to Oshkosh on an earlier date though. Normally, Mike >> Fisher and I fly in with our two Foxes on Saturday or even Friday >> to reserve a row for Kitfoxes near the north end of the flight >> line. For those of you who camp with your planes, this may or may >> not be an issue. If we were to all fly in on the first day of the >> show as planned, it would be difficult to park together. >> >> Since the Broadhead Airport Fly-in runs Friday and Saturday, maybe >> we could attend on Friday and do our formation to Oshkosh on >> Saturday after we enjoy breakfast at Broadhead. Is there camping at >> Broadhead? >> >> Just some thoughts to start the discussion. I'm liking this idea! >> By the way, I found Broadhead on a chart.......... west and a bit >> south of Chicago. >> >> Rex in Michigan >> >> >> >> -- "Don Pearsall" wrote: >> >> This is from Gene Calkins, a long-time KF builder. Everybody who is >> going to Oshkosh should consider flying in as a formation. >> >> www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List _- >> =========================================================== > > > We won't tell. Get more on shows you hate to love (and love to hate): Yahoo! TV's Guilty Pleasures list. http://tv.yahoo.com/collections/265 ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 11:33:46 AM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Container packing question From: "Bernhard10" I have to disassemble and ship my KITFOX IV in a container overseas. Has anybody any experience or advise how to properly secure wings, fuselage etc. Pictures of wing templates or any other advise in order to get the plane safely to it's destination ?? Thanks Do not archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=97451#97451 ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 12:41:01 PM PST US From: "Rexster" Subject: Kitfox-List: KITFOX FLY-IN Group, I've flown to 'Kosh the past seven years and pretty much do the same thing every year. Mike Fisher and I fly in 2-3 days early and grab a row or two in the "A 3-4" section (using the Oshkosh map Gary sent). This a rea is for homebuilt parking where you camp elsewhere on the field. Ther e is also an area called homebuilt camping where you can camp under your wing. Mike and I have considered homebuilt camping but that area is pre tty far away from the middle of the flight line (and the Kitfox booth). I believe it's south of the ultra light area. Another thing we don't lik e about homebuilt camping area is we've heard that planes are not groupe d together very well. In other words, Kitfoxes would be scattered all ov er. The "A 3-4" area works out well for John and Debra as interested cus tomers don't have very far to go to see a large group of customer Kitfox es. Mike and I know the volunteers (Jeanie and Scott) pretty well that a re in charge of parking the planes and if we can give them an idea how m any will be in our area, they do their best to reserve us enough space. Sometimes their hands are tied from higher up plans, but they've always done a great job of taking care of the Kitfoxes. Last year, Jeanie talke d me into giving her a ride one Oshkosh morning. It took her about two s econds of begging. I'm willing to bet that won't hurt our chances of get ting a large Kitfox area this year! We're still about five months away from opening day, so we have some time to get organized. As the time gets closer, maybe we should take a p oll and see how many are interested in keeping their planes in this area by the Kitfox booth. Rex in Michigan -- GAry Olson wrote: Barry, Attached is the link to the EAA grounds map. Can you give me a little be tter location of where you and the others parked? I would assume this is not a camping area? Anyone else that has any info. feel free to jump in .. http://www.airventure.org/2007/planning/grounds_map.html Gary DO NOT ARCHIVE ----- Original Message ---- From: Barry West Sent: Monday, February 26, 2007 12:27:00 PM Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: KITFOX FLY-IN GAry, I have flown to Oshkosh four times and they always park me with th e other Kitfoxes. The last two times they parked the Kitfoxes right in fr ont of where we check in. Barry West ----- Original Message ----- From: "GAry Olson" Sent: Monday, February 26, 2007 10:20 AM Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: KITFOX FLY-IN > > I spoke with John McBean at Oshkosh last year and he was interested in > trying to get a designated Kitfox section together. I am no 100% sure as > to how the parking/camping thing works here, but I can look into it. I t > may help if I know how many planes to expect and who is looking to cam p. I > live here so I don't park on the grounds, but if anyone has any > suggestions forward them to me and I can get a hold of a couple of fri ends > at the EAA and try to get a spot that is favorable to the group. > > Gary Olson > Oshkosh > > DO NOT ARCHIVE > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: Lynn Matteson > To: kitfox-list@matronics.com > Sent: Monday, February 26, 2007 9:03:34 AM > Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: KITFOX FLY-IN > > > > Speaking of camping with your Kitfox at Oshkosh, what are the rules? > It seems like some Kitfoxes are parked where Rex indicated (and no > camping), and some are parked quite a ways further away...North, I > believe, and camp under the wing. > > Lynn > do not archive > On Feb 25, 2007, at 5:45 PM, Rexster wrote: > >> This sounds like a great idea. I'm guessing that between now and >> July, there may be some good discussion about this. I would prefer >> to fly in to Oshkosh on an earlier date though. Normally, Mike >> Fisher and I fly in with our two Foxes on Saturday or even Friday >> to reserve a row for Kitfoxes near the north end of the flight >> line. For those of you who camp with your planes, this may or may >> not be an issue. If we were to all fly in on the first day of the >> show as planned, it would be difficult to park together. >> >> Since the Broadhead Airport Fly-in runs Friday and Saturday, maybe >> we could attend on Friday and do our formation to Oshkosh on >> Saturday after we enjoy breakfast at Broadhead. Is there camping at >> Broadhead? >> >> Just some thoughts to start the discussion. I'm liking this idea! >> By the way, I found Broadhead on a chart.......... west and a bit >> south of Chicago. >> >> Rex in Michigan >> >> >> >> -- "Don Pearsall" wrote: >> >> This is from Gene Calkins, a long-time KF builder. Everybody who is >> going to Oshkosh should consider flying in as a formation. >> >> www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List _- >> ======================= ======================== ============ > > > We won't tell. Get more on shows you hate to love (and love to hate): Yahoo! TV's Guilty Pleasures list. http://tv.yahoo.com/collections/265 ======================== =========== ======================== =========== ======================== ===========

Group,

   I've flown to 'Kosh the past seven years and pretty much do the same thing every year. Mike Fisher and I fly in 2-3 days early a nd grab a row or two in the "A 3-4" section (using the Oshkosh map Gary sent). This area is for homebuilt parking where you camp elsewhere on th e field. There is also an area called homebuilt camping where you can&nb sp;camp under your wing. Mike and I have considered homebuilt camping bu t that area is pretty far away from the middle of the flight line (and t he Kitfox booth). I believe it's south of the ultra light area. Another thing we don't like about homebuilt camping area is we've heard tha t planes are not grouped together very well. In other words, Kitfoxes wo uld be scattered all over. The "A 3-4" area works out well for John and Debra as interested customers don't have very far to go to see a la rge group of customer Kitfoxes. Mike and I know the volunteers (Jeanie a nd Scott) pretty well that are in charge of parking the planes and if we can give them an idea how many will be in our area, they do their best to reserve us enough space. Sometimes their hands are tied from higher u p plans, but they've always done a great job of taking care of the Kitfo xes. Last year, Jeanie talked me into giving her a ride one Oshkosh morn ing. It took her about two seconds of begging. I'm willing to bet that w on't hurt our chances of getting a large Kitfox area this year!

   We're still about five months away from opening day, so we have some time to get organized. As the time gets closer, maybe we sh ould take a poll and see how many are interested in keeping their planes in this area by the Kitfox booth.

  Rex in Michigan

 


-- GAry Olson <n113gb@yahoo.com> wrote:
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: GAry& nbsp;Olson <n113gb@yahoo.com>

Barry,

Attached&n bsp;is the link to the EAA grounds ma p. Can you give me a little better&nb sp;location of where you and the others&nb sp;parked? I would assume this is not  ;a camping area? Anyone else that has  ;any info. feel free to jump in.
http:/ /www.airventure.org/2007/planning/grounds_map.html

Gary
DO&nbs p;NOT ARCHIVE

----- Original Message ----
From: Barry West <barry@pgtc.com>
To: kitfo x-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, February 26, 2 007 12:27:00 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: KI TFOX FLY-IN


--> Kitfox-List message po sted by: "Barry West" <barry@pgtc.com>

GAry, I have flown to Oshkosh four ti mes and they always park me with the& nbsp;
other Kitfoxes.  The last two tim es they parked the Kitfoxes right in  front 
of where we check in.

Barry&nb sp;West

----- Original Message ----- 
From : "GAry Olson" <n113gb@yahoo.com>
To: <k itfox-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Monday, February 26 , 2007 10:20 AM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List:&nb sp;KITFOX FLY-IN


> --> Kitfox-List  message posted by: GAry Olson <n113gb@yahoo. com>
>
> I spoke with John McBea n at Oshkosh last year and he was&nbs p;interested in 
> trying to get a&n bsp;designated Kitfox section together. I am&nb sp;no 100% sure as 
> to how th e parking/camping thing works here, but I& nbsp;can look into it. It 
> may&nbs p;help if I know how many planes to&n bsp;expect and who is looking to camp.&nbs p;I 
> live here so I don't par k on the grounds, but if anyone has&n bsp;any 
> suggestions forward them to&nb sp;me and I can get a hold of a& nbsp;couple of friends 
> at the EAA  and try to get a spot that is&n bsp;favorable to the group.
>
> Gary&nbs p;Olson
> Oshkosh
>
> DO NOT ARCHI VE
>
> ----- Original Message ----
&g t; From: Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net>
& gt; To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Mond ay, February 26, 2007 9:03:34 AM
> S ubject: Re: Kitfox-List: KITFOX FLY-IN
>
&g t;
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by : Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net>
>
>& nbsp;Speaking of camping with your Kitfox  at Oshkosh, what are the rules?
> It  seems like some Kitfoxes are parked  where Rex indicated (and no
> camping),&n bsp;and some are parked quite a ways  further away...North, I
> believe, and ca mp under the wing.
>
> Lynn
>  ;do not archive
> On Feb 25, 2007,&n bsp;at 5:45 PM, Rexster wrote:
>
>>&n bsp;This sounds like a great idea. I'm&nbs p;guessing that between now and
>> Jul y, there may be some good discussion  about this. I would prefer
>> to  fly in to Oshkosh on an earlier date& nbsp;though. Normally, Mike
>> Fisher and&n bsp;I fly in with our two Foxes on&nb sp;Saturday or even Friday
>> to reser ve a row for Kitfoxes near the north& nbsp;end of the flight
>> line. For&nb sp;those of you who camp with your pl anes, this may or may
>> not be&n bsp;an issue. If we were to all fly&n bsp;in on the first day of the
>>  show as planned, it would be difficu lt to park together.
>>
>> Since&n bsp;the Broadhead Airport Fly-in runs Friday&nb sp;and Saturday, maybe
>> we could att end on Friday and do our formation to  Oshkosh on
>> Saturday after we  enjoy breakfast at Broadhead. Is there cam ping at
>> Broadhead?
>>
>> Ju st some thoughts to start the discussion.& nbsp;I'm liking this idea!
>> By the&n bsp;way, I found Broadhead on a chart..... ..... west and a bit
>> south of& nbsp;Chicago.
>>
>> Rex in Michigan
>>
>>
>>
>> -- "Don Pear sall" <donpearsall@comcast.net> wrote:
>>
&g t;> This is from Gene Calkins, a l ong-time KF builder. Everybody who is
>&g t; going to Oshkosh should consider flying  in as a formation.
>>
>> www .matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List _-
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________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 01:42:38 PM PST US From: "Barry West" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: KITFOX FLY-IN Rex, I wondered how I always tied down with the other Kitfoxes. Good for you. I will be there on Sunday before the convention starts if the creek don't rise and I get a new propeller on it. Barry ----- Original Message ----- From: Rexster To: kitfox-list@matronics.com Sent: Monday, February 26, 2007 2:39 PM Subject: Kitfox-List: KITFOX FLY-IN Group, I've flown to 'Kosh the past seven years and pretty much do the same thing every year. Mike Fisher and I fly in 2-3 days early and grab a row or two in the "A 3-4" section (using the Oshkosh map Gary sent). This area is for homebuilt parking where you camp elsewhere on the field. There is also an area called homebuilt camping where you can camp under your wing. Mike and I have considered homebuilt camping but that area is pretty far away from the middle of the flight line (and the Kitfox booth). I believe it's south of the ultra light area. Another thing we don't like about homebuilt camping area is we've heard that planes are not grouped together very well. In other words, Kitfoxes would be scattered all over. The "A 3-4" area works out well for John and Debra as interested customers don't have very far to go to see a large group of customer Kitfoxes. Mike and I know the volunteers (Jeanie and Scott) pretty well that are in charge of parking the planes and if we can give them an idea how many will be in our area, they do their best to reserve us enough space. Sometimes their hands are tied from higher up plans, but they've always done a great job of taking care of the Kitfoxes. Last year, Jeanie talked me into giving her a ride one Oshkosh morning. It took her about two seconds of begging. I'm willing to bet that won't hurt our chances of getting a large Kitfox area this year! We're still about five months away from opening day, so we have some time to get organized. As the time gets closer, maybe we should take a poll and see how many are interested in keeping their planes in this area by the Kitfox booth. Rex in Michigan -- GAry Olson wrote: Barry, Attached is the link to the EAA grounds map. Can you give me a little better location of where you and the others parked? I would assume this is not a camping area? Anyone else that has any info. feel free to jump in. http://www.airventure.org/2007/planning/grounds_map.html Gary DO NOT ARCHIVE ----- Original Message ---- From: Barry West To: kitfox-list@matronics.com Sent: Monday, February 26, 2007 12:27:00 PM Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: KITFOX FLY-IN GAry, I have flown to Oshkosh four times and they always park me with the other Kitfoxes. The last two times they parked the Kitfoxes right in front of where we check in. Barry West ----- Original Message ----- From: "GAry Olson" To: Sent: Monday, February 26, 2007 10:20 AM Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: KITFOX FLY-IN > > I spoke with John McBean at Oshkosh last year and he was interested in > trying to get a designated Kitfox section together. I am no 100% sure as > to how the parking/camping thing works here, but I can look into it. It > may help if I know how many planes to expect and who is looking to camp. I > live here so I don't park on the grounds, but if anyone has any > suggestions forward them to me and I can get a hold of a couple of friends > at the EAA and try to get a spot that is favorable to the group. > > Gary Olson > Oshkosh > > DO NOT ARCHIVE > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: Lynn Matteson > To: kitfox-list@matronics.com > Sent: Monday, February 26, 2007 9:03:34 AM > Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: KITFOX FLY-IN > > > > Speaking of camping with your Kitfox at Oshkosh, what are the rules? > It seems like some Kitfoxes are parked where Rex indicated (and no > camping), and some are parked quite a ways further away...North, I > believe, and camp under the wing. > > Lynn > do not archive > On Feb 25, 2007, at 5:45 PM, Rexster wrote: > >> This sounds like a great idea. I'm guessing that between now and >> July, there may be some good discussion about this. I would prefer >> to fly in to Oshkosh on an earlier date though. Normally, Mike >> Fisher and I fly in with our two Foxes on Saturday or even Friday >> to reserve a row for Kitfoxes near the north end of the flight >> line. For those of you who camp with your planes, this may or may >> not be an issue. If we were to all fly in on the first day of the >> show as planned, it would be difficult to park together. >> >> Since the Broadhead Airport Fly-in runs Friday and Saturday, maybe >> we could attend on Friday and do our formation to Oshkosh on >> Saturday after we enjoy breakfast at Broadhead. Is there camping at >> Broadhead? >> >> Just some thoughts to start the discussion. I'm liking this idea! >> By the way, I found Broadhead on a chart.......... west and a bit >> south of Chicago. >> >> Rex in Michigan >> >> >> >> -- "Don Pearsall" wrote: >> >> This is from Gene Calkins, a long-time KF builder. Everybody who is >> going to Oshkosh should consider flying in as a formation. >> >> www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List _- >> ========= > > > > > > > > > > We won't tell. Get more on shows you hate to love (and love to hate): Yahoo! TV's Guilty Pleasures list. http://tv.yah==================== ===p;Use the Matronics List Features Navigator&nbshive Search & Download, 7-Day Browse, ======================== Same great content now also available&nbs==================== == ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 01:53:51 PM PST US From: "Barry West" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: KITFOX FLY-IN Gary, I believe it is between A3 and A4. You won't be able to camp there. Barry DO NOT ARCHIVE! ----- Original Message ----- From: "GAry Olson" Sent: Monday, February 26, 2007 1:29 PM Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: KITFOX FLY-IN > > Barry, > > Attached is the link to the EAA grounds map. Can you give me a little > better location of where you and the others bparked? I would assume this > is not a camping area? Anyone else that has any info. feel free to jump > in. > http://www.airventure.org/2007/planning/grounds_map.html > > Gary > DO NOT ARCHIVE > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: Barry West > To: kitfox-list@matronics.com > Sent: Monday, February 26, 2007 12:27:00 PM > Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: KITFOX FLY-IN > > > > GAry, I have flown to Oshkosh four times and they always park me with the > other Kitfoxes. The last two times they parked the Kitfoxes right in > front > of where we check in. > > Barry West > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "GAry Olson" > To: > Sent: Monday, February 26, 2007 10:20 AM > Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: KITFOX FLY-IN > > >> >> I spoke with John McBean at Oshkosh last year and he was interested in >> trying to get a designated Kitfox section together. I am no 100% sure as >> to how the parking/camping thing works here, but I can look into it. It >> may help if I know how many planes to expect and who is looking to camp. >> I >> live here so I don't park on the grounds, but if anyone has any >> suggestions forward them to me and I can get a hold of a couple of >> friends >> at the EAA and try to get a spot that is favorable to the group. >> >> Gary Olson >> Oshkosh >> >> DO NOT ARCHIVE >> >> ----- Original Message ---- >> From: Lynn Matteson >> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com >> Sent: Monday, February 26, 2007 9:03:34 AM >> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: KITFOX FLY-IN >> >> >> >> Speaking of camping with your Kitfox at Oshkosh, what are the rules? >> It seems like some Kitfoxes are parked where Rex indicated (and no >> camping), and some are parked quite a ways further away...North, I >> believe, and camp under the wing. >> >> Lynn >> do not archive >> On Feb 25, 2007, at 5:45 PM, Rexster wrote: >> >>> This sounds like a great idea. I'm guessing that between now and >>> July, there may be some good discussion about this. I would prefer >>> to fly in to Oshkosh on an earlier date though. Normally, Mike >>> Fisher and I fly in with our two Foxes on Saturday or even Friday >>> to reserve a row for Kitfoxes near the north end of the flight >>> line. For those of you who camp with your planes, this may or may >>> not be an issue. If we were to all fly in on the first day of the >>> show as planned, it would be difficult to park together. >>> >>> Since the Broadhead Airport Fly-in runs Friday and Saturday, maybe >>> we could attend on Friday and do our formation to Oshkosh on >>> Saturday after we enjoy breakfast at Broadhead. Is there camping at >>> Broadhead? >>> >>> Just some thoughts to start the discussion. I'm liking this idea! >>> By the way, I found Broadhead on a chart.......... west and a bit >>> south of Chicago. >>> >>> Rex in Michigan >>> >>> >>> >>> -- "Don Pearsall" wrote: >>> >>> This is from Gene Calkins, a long-time KF builder. Everybody who is >>> going to Oshkosh should consider flying in as a formation. >>> >>> www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List _- >>> =========================================================== >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > We won't tell. Get more on shows you hate to love > (and love to hate): Yahoo! TV's Guilty Pleasures list. > http://tv.yahoo.com/collections/265 > > > ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 02:58:19 PM PST US From: Jim Crowder Subject: Kitfox-List: Kitfox for Sale I am posting this for Mike Couillard as he was unable to do so. Kitfox 5 Kit 1998 $15,800. Available for sale. Excellent Workmanship and Condition. Tech Counselor Inspected. 1550# GW. Traildragger. Many extras, Whelen strobes, wheel pants, extra parts, fabric and hardware. Nav Com, IC, CD Mode C, Speedster, Extension Wing Tips, Tools. NSI Subaru FWF also available--just bolt it on! Numerous photos, log. Contact Michael R. Couillard--located Colorado Springs, CO USA. Telephone: 719 481-6282. Posted February 26, 2007 ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 05:47:48 PM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Kitfox ferry flight to Alaska From: "dcsfoto" like to get info on mountain flying Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=97523#97523 ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 05:49:12 PM PST US From: "Noel Loveys" Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Rotax service Two or four stroke if it has the Rotax name on it consider Bob Robertson Light Engine Services. Don't be worried about his being north of the border. He has done lots of engines for people all over the map. Check back through a few engine threads and you will find his E-Mail and 800 number. Noel > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of > Alan Daniels > Sent: Monday, February 26, 2007 3:36 PM > To: kitfox-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Rotax service > > > > > I believe we have on list experts that do that type of work. > Lookwood is > great, but consider supporting those that give us valuable free > information and help. Consider keeping it in the family. IMHO > > do not archive > > Barry West wrote: > > > > Brent, I don't think you can do better than Lockwood, they know the > > engines and are well equipped. > > > > Barry West > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brent E Bidus" > > > To: > > Sent: Monday, February 26, 2007 7:46 AM > > Subject: Kitfox-List: Rotax service > > > > > > >> > >> > >> List, > >> > >> I've got a Rotax 912 that I'd like to send off to a repair > center to > >> have > >> some service bulletins taken care of. It's an older model > but never > >> been > >> run. Looking for recommendations from anyone who has personal > >> experience > >> dealing with one of the authorized service centers. Thanks, > >> > >> Brent Bidus > >> Classic 4 > >> Colorado Springs > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 28 ____________________________________ Time: 05:56:28 PM PST US From: "Noel Loveys" Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Updated GPS info - Plotting on Google Earth. HOW TO DO That's what I've been saying for a long time now.... GPS is great... But .... Charts and dead reckoning works without batteries. Noel > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of D. Fisher > Sent: Monday, February 26, 2007 8:37 AM > To: kitfox-list@matronics.com > Subject: Kitfox-List: Updated GPS info - Plotting on Google > Earth. HOW TO DO > > > > Ok, Looking at the stats from my site, hundreds of you have > looked at my GPS > info over the last few days. > That tells me that we have some interest here and some shy > folks that need > some more info. I did get quite a few private emails asking > on how this was > done so................... > > I have updated the info here http://www.cfisher.com/gps/ > and you have a > basic crash course in how in a few minutes to be able to view > your own > flight tracks. > > GPS are great tools but never leave home without current charts and > thorough knowledge of dead reakoning in the event of failure. > > Dave > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "D. Fisher" > To: > Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2007 6:58 AM > Subject: Kitfox-List: GPS info - Plotting on Google Earth. > > > > > > Michel, > > > > I am a GPS user amd I just plotted some tracks from > previous GPS data > > onto Google Earth > > http://www.cfisher.com/gps There is a link to next > pictured at bottom > > of each page. > > > > You can see that the GPS I use seems to be fairly accurate with the > > exception of over some larger bodies of water. > > I think Kurt mentioned that if could be some reflection off > the water or > > something ? > > > > I find the altitudes pretty good over all. I usuallly am > within 50 feet > > on arrival at most airports or lakes. I have used several > GPSs over the > > years and this Garmin 196 seem to work well and good bang > for the buck. > > > > Just make sure you get all the firmware updates and > Jeppeson data in it > > once in a while so that you can utilize it the best. > Learning curve on the > > GPS is lengthy until you figure out everything you can do > with it. Now > > you can get Wx and radar on the newer models with > subscription. But If > > you have a blackberry you can load that from a website as well. > > > > Hope this is an attribute to all pilots. > > > > > > Dave > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Michel Verheughe" > > To: > > Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2007 3:32 PM > > Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: GPS info > > > > > > > > > On Feb 21, 2007, at 7:43 PM, D. Fisher wrote: > >> I also use WAAS which seems alot more accurate than without. > > > > Yes, it certainly is a big advantage on your continent, Dave. > > Regarding the accuracy of altitude (non WAAS, that is) my > observation > > is that it is not that bad either. But, as the geometry of the > > satellites get unfavourable, the first accuracy to go is > the altitude. > > That's why a 3D position requires more satellites than a 2D. > > Now, while most of the time the altitude is within > reasonable values, > > it may - and will, with time - become inaccurate in > relation to the 2D > > positioning. And that "not knowing" factor is exactly what > was behind > > the now inactive "Selective Availability" (SA). > > Until May 2000 non-NATO GPS had to suffer the SA. The idea > was: 99% of > > the time, it was accurate, but one percent of the time, it > could be as > > much as 600 feet off position. Now, would you e,g. sail > your ship in no > > visibility in a narrow waterway, knowing that there is one > percent of > > chance that you may run aground? I think not. > > The same applies for e.g. GPS software simulating a virtual ILS with > > glide slope. No one wants to take the responsibility to > make it because > > one could have bad luck and be far away from the actual > altitude; even > > if most of the time it would work. > > At least, that what the guys who write the PocketFMS > program told me. > > > > An interesting thing is that, while everyone thought the > GPS SA would > > be screwed to the highest level during Desert Storm (1991) > it was the > > opposite. The reason being that some of the allied forces (Saudi > > Arabians) were not members of NATO and had to use the > "civil" version > > of the GPS. But the US DoD meant that, in any case, they had the > > military superiority over the Iraqi that it didn't matter > if they were > > also able to position themselves accurately. > > > > Cheers, > > Michel > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 29 ____________________________________ Time: 06:25:04 PM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Kitfox ferry flight to Alaska From: "Tom Jones" dcsfoto wrote: > like to get info on mountain flying Here's some mountain flying info http://www.canyonflying.com/ Tom Jones Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=97534#97534 ________________________________ Message 30 ____________________________________ Time: 07:06:34 PM PST US Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Rotax service From: Brent E Bidus Alan, Agree. If there are folks on this list that do this work, I'd like to hear from them. Brent On Mon, 26 Feb 2007 12:05:35 -0700 Alan Daniels writes: > > > I believe we have on list experts that do that type of work. > Lookwood is > great, but consider supporting those that give us valuable free > information and help. Consider keeping it in the family. IMHO > > do not archive > > Barry West wrote: > > > > Brent, I don't think you can do better than Lockwood, they know > the > > engines and are well equipped. > > > > Barry West > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brent E Bidus" > > > To: > > Sent: Monday, February 26, 2007 7:46 AM > > Subject: Kitfox-List: Rotax service > > > > > > >> > >> > >> List, > >> > >> I've got a Rotax 912 that I'd like to send off to a repair center > to > >> have > >> some service bulletins taken care of. It's an older model but > never > >> been > >> run. Looking for recommendations from anyone who has personal > >> experience > >> dealing with one of the authorized service centers. Thanks, > >> > >> Brent Bidus > >> Classic 4 > >> Colorado Springs > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 31 ____________________________________ Time: 07:29:37 PM PST US From: jareds Subject: Kitfox-List: 582 Exhaust Fumes Just wanted to get an idea from the 582 flyers how many have a fully closed cowling in front? I have the "Radial" look with a monster opening in the front. I have struggled with exhaust fumes getting into the cockpit. I have limited the airflow a bit but am considering closing off all the front of cowling except around the prop shaft. I have read that the input pressure in the engine compartment may be too much with only a little outlet at the bottom and no where for fumes to go. C02 detector used to get pretty high until i put some harley building skills to use by using header wrap around the muffler links and putting plastic paper inside the firewall. 1 Any thoughts on closing the cowl front completely.. any disadvantages like heat dispation? 2 Do you think this will cure the fumes issue? Thanks in advance to all the good ideas i'm sure i'll be getting. ________________________________ Message 32 ____________________________________ Time: 07:58:21 PM PST US From: "Larry Martin" Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: 582 Exhaust Fumes Jared, I had fumes with my tightly cowled Avid. I simply lengthened the exhaust pipe about 8" which seems to do the trick. Larry ________________________________ Message 33 ____________________________________ Time: 08:07:33 PM PST US From: "david yeamans" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Updated GPS info - Plotting on Google Earth. HOW TO DO Noel, I agree, Charts and dead reckoning are the most reliable when all else fails. My flight instructor never allowed a GPS or a VOR in solo cross country or on the way to the check ride. Strickly Dead Reckoning and Charts. For what its worth, The Phrase " Crash Course " was an unwritten law that was not to be use within the aviation community. It speaks for itself !!1 crash course in how in a few minutes to be able to view > your own > flight tracks. ----- Original Message ----- From: Noel Loveys To: kitfox-list@matronics.com Sent: Monday, February 26, 2007 7:54 PM Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Updated GPS info - Plotting on Google Earth. HOW TO DO That's what I've been saying for a long time now.... GPS is great... But .... Charts and dead reckoning works without batteries. Noel > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of D. Fisher > Sent: Monday, February 26, 2007 8:37 AM > To: kitfox-list@matronics.com > Subject: Kitfox-List: Updated GPS info - Plotting on Google > Earth. HOW TO DO > > > > Ok, Looking at the stats from my site, hundreds of you have > looked at my GPS > info over the last few days. > That tells me that we have some interest here and some shy > folks that need > some more info. I did get quite a few private emails asking > on how this was > done so................... > > I have updated the info here http://www.cfisher.com/gps/ > and you have a > basic crash course in how in a few minutes to be able to view > your own > flight tracks. > > GPS are great tools but never leave home without current charts and > thorough knowledge of dead reakoning in the event of failure. > > Dave > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "D. Fisher" > To: > Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2007 6:58 AM > Subject: Kitfox-List: GPS info - Plotting on Google Earth. > > > > > > Michel, > > > > I am a GPS user amd I just plotted some tracks from > previous GPS data > > onto Google Earth > > http://www.cfisher.com/gps There is a link to next > pictured at bottom > > of each page. > > > > You can see that the GPS I use seems to be fairly accurate with the > > exception of over some larger bodies of water. > > I think Kurt mentioned that if could be some reflection off > the water or > > something ? > > > > I find the altitudes pretty good over all. I usuallly am > within 50 feet > > on arrival at most airports or lakes. I have used several > GPSs over the > > years and this Garmin 196 seem to work well and good bang > for the buck. > > > > Just make sure you get all the firmware updates and > Jeppeson data in it > > once in a while so that you can utilize it the best. > Learning curve on the > > GPS is lengthy until you figure out everything you can do > with it. Now > > you can get Wx and radar on the newer models with > subscription. But If > > you have a blackberry you can load that from a website as well. > > > > Hope this is an attribute to all pilots. > > > > > > Dave > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Michel Verheughe" > > To: > > Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2007 3:32 PM > > Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: GPS info > > > > > > > > > On Feb 21, 2007, at 7:43 PM, D. Fisher wrote: > >> I also use WAAS which seems alot more accurate than without. > > > > Yes, it certainly is a big advantage on your continent, Dave. > > Regarding the accuracy of altitude (non WAAS, that is) my > observation > > is that it is not that bad either. But, as the geometry of the > > satellites get unfavourable, the first accuracy to go is > the altitude. > > That's why a 3D position requires more satellites than a 2D. > > Now, while most of the time the altitude is within > reasonable values, > > it may - and will, with time - become inaccurate in > relation to the 2D > > positioning. And that "not knowing" factor is exactly what > was behind > > the now inactive "Selective Availability" (SA). > > Until May 2000 non-NATO GPS had to suffer the SA. The idea > was: 99% of > > the time, it was accurate, but one percent of the time, it > could be as > > much as 600 feet off position. Now, would you e,g. sail > your ship in no > > visibility in a narrow waterway, knowing that there is one > percent of > > chance that you may run aground? I think not. > > The same applies for e.g. GPS software simulating a virtual ILS with > > glide slope. No one wants to take the responsibility to > make it because > > one could have bad luck and be far away from the actual > altitude; even > > if most of the time it would work. > > At least, that what the guys who write the PocketFMS > program told me. > > > > An interesting thing is that, while everyone thought the > GPS SA would > > be screwed to the highest level during Desert Storm (1991) > it was the > > opposite. The reason being that some of the allied forces (Saudi > > Arabians) were not members of NATO and had to use the > "civil" version > > of the GPS. But the US DoD meant that, in any case, they had the > > military superiority over the Iraqi that it didn't matter > if they were > > also able to position themselves accurately. > > > > Cheers, > > Michel > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 34 ____________________________________ Time: 08:35:10 PM PST US From: "john perry" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: 582 Exhaust Fumes I had the same thing happening and did almost like you . i used high temp muffler wrap on the joints . I still had high co2 readings . I then closed in and wraped the bungee area thru the floor and now no CO2 at all in cockpit . It was sucking in the fumes from underneath and flowing thru the cockpit. I used soft rubber sheet and made it fit tite to the bungees use screws to hold in place thru the aluminum plate in the bungee area . JP ________________________________ Message 35 ____________________________________ Time: 09:39:50 PM PST US From: "Lowell Fitt" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Kitfox ferry flight to Alaska Tom, Thanks for the heads-up on the website. I read through it a bit and I am sure my blood pressure went up a bit just thinking about it. I have been into some of the places in the Fly Idaho section and can definitely recommend the Fly Idaho book for anyone interested in trying out that part of the country. The next video segment on the HighWing website will be a landing at Elk River - not particularly challenging, but the long straight in from altitude was the challenge. Incidentally, the Kitfox is a magnificant airplane for this type of flying. It flies slow and lands short and will out climb almost anything. Lowell ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Jones" Sent: Monday, February 26, 2007 6:24 PM Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Kitfox ferry flight to Alaska > > > dcsfoto wrote: >> like to get info on mountain flying > > > Here's some mountain flying info > http://www.canyonflying.com/ > > Tom Jones > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=97534#97534 > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message kitfox-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Kitfox-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/kitfox-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/kitfox-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.