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1. 09:47 AM - Re: Rotax service (George Wells)
2. 02:18 PM - Re: Updated GPS info - Plotting on Google Earth. HOW TO DO (Michel Verheughe)
3. 04:33 PM - CO2 in Cockpit (Rex Shaw)
4. 04:42 PM - Good bye for a while. (QSS)
5. 04:52 PM - Re: Updated GPS info - Plotting on Google Earth. HOW TO DO (Noel Loveys)
6. 05:06 PM - Re: 582 Exhaust Fumes (Noel Loveys)
7. 05:18 PM - Tyres (Rex Shaw)
8. 06:10 PM - Re: Good bye for a while. (jeff puls)
9. 06:51 PM - Re: Good bye for a while. (john perry)
10. 06:58 PM - Re: Good bye for a while. (helicop)
11. 10:18 PM - Re: Good bye for a while. (Rick)
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| Subject: | Re: Rotax service |
I Agree -- Bob has been great with parts and questions I have had. Being
in Canada is not a problem.
George Wells
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| Subject: | Re: Updated GPS info - Plotting on Google Earth. HOW TO |
DO
On Feb 27, 2007, at 2:54 AM, Noel Loveys wrote:
> That's what I've been saying for a long time now.... GPS is great...
> But
> .... Charts and dead reckoning works without batteries.
Of course, Noel!
Now, I have been flying for only four years but I have sailed, and
navigate for some 45 years. Here is my experience: Navigation starts by
position assessment. Before the accuracy of the GPS, it was based on
several observations, radio or visual bearings, recognition of the
coastline or buoyage, and ... flair. The idea is; if only one input
doesn't agree with the total picture - turn 180 degrees then start
thinking!
Mind you, you don't always need to know where you are. Sometimes
knowing where you are not, suffice. For example, as long as you don't
see the coast, there is little chance you will run ashore.
The problem with the GPS and digital moving maps is that you put all
your navigational assets in one basket. Just as you keep at any time an
eye open for a landing place in case your uncertified engine should
stop, you should also know where you are, in case your GPS stops.
Cheers,
Michel
do not archive
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Just wanted to get an idea from the 582 flyers how many have a fully
closed cowling in front?
I have the "Radial" look with a monster opening in the front. I have
struggled with exhaust fumes getting into the cockpit. I have limited
the airflow a bit but am considering closing off all the front of
cowling except around the prop shaft. I have read that the input
pressure in the engine compartment may be too much with only a little
outlet at the bottom and no where for fumes to go. C02 detector used to
get pretty high
Hi ! Jareds,
Rex here from Australia. I have a MKIV with
cowling like yours and a 582. Occasionally I have noticed fumes on climb
out only. I put in a cheap detector after flying with a friend that has
a notorious nose for CO2. In fact he is our club flying instructor and
most highly respect him. Anyway after putting in this cheap detector
about six months ago I haven't noticed any fumes. it seems to have
scared them off. Also despite looking a few times I've not seen any
change in colour on the detector either. I've always cosidered the fumes
momentary and insignificant but my friend did make me a little nervous
and so I put in the detector to check. I have Grove gear and so no
holes there and as I say have only rarely noticed fumes on climb out
only.
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| Subject: | Good bye for a while. |
Hi Guys, I have unfortunately come to a cross roads in my flying and
have after much thought decided to sell my fox. I have been unable to
come to terms with the crash or for that matter get back into my comfort
zone. I have always had a passion for flying and to own my own aircraft
has been a dream come true but the enjoyment has now been replaced by
negative thoughts and an idle aircraft. The pity is that I know Im a
good pilot and that the rebuild has resulted in a strong and reliable
aircraft. Its just the demon on my shoulder wont allow me to accept it.
I will miss the friendly banter and good natured shots across the bow
that have resulted from the many topics discussed and encourage you all
to continue in this manner. The list administrators should be proud of
their flock and the respect shown for each others opinions. Thanks Deke,
your a good bloke and even handed moderator. Thanks you also Mat for
your tireless work and for providing a resource that allows us all to
tell lies about our flying prowess and our beautiful birds. To all who
help with encouragement and parts during my rebuild, my sincere thanks
because without you my fox would still be sitting in the back paddock. I
will drop in from time to time to see whats being discussed and possibly
just to say hi. I never thought I would say it but, "Mat, please remove
me from the list".
Cheers to all
Graeme
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| Subject: | Updated GPS info - Plotting on Google Earth. HOW TO |
DO
"Putting all your navigational assets in one basket" is a really nice way of
putting it. I use the GPS mostly to track my flight but.... Yes there are
times that I've just pointed my nose using the GPS. Takes into account
little things like drift. Boy do I have a story I could tell there!
All my flying is VFR which means that I see where I'm going. The beauty of
using the charts is from the charts I choose land marks and then fly, out
the window, from one landmark to the next. Knowing how to dead recon is a
valuable asset even though I seldom ever get to use it.
Wait 'till I get to the prairies in two years!
Noel
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
> Michel Verheughe
> Sent: Tuesday, February 27, 2007 6:46 PM
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Updated GPS info - Plotting on
> Google Earth. HOW TO DO
>
>
>
> On Feb 27, 2007, at 2:54 AM, Noel Loveys wrote:
> > That's what I've been saying for a long time now.... GPS is
> great...
> > But
> > .... Charts and dead reckoning works without batteries.
>
> Of course, Noel!
> Now, I have been flying for only four years but I have sailed, and
> navigate for some 45 years. Here is my experience: Navigation
> starts by
> position assessment. Before the accuracy of the GPS, it was based on
> several observations, radio or visual bearings, recognition of the
> coastline or buoyage, and ... flair. The idea is; if only one input
> doesn't agree with the total picture - turn 180 degrees then start
> thinking!
>
> Mind you, you don't always need to know where you are. Sometimes
> knowing where you are not, suffice. For example, as long as you don't
> see the coast, there is little chance you will run ashore.
>
> The problem with the GPS and digital moving maps is that you put all
> your navigational assets in one basket. Just as you keep at
> any time an
> eye open for a landing place in case your uncertified engine should
> stop, you should also know where you are, in case your GPS stops.
>
> Cheers,
> Michel
>
> do not archive
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | 582 Exhaust Fumes |
The fellow who built my plane left a good size opening along th4e bottom of
the aft cowl to allow air coming in the front to escape.
If there is any problem with that set up it is the space between the front
Fake Townsend ring and the rear cowls. This can create a lot of turbulence
over the rear cowls which can effect your cruise speed. There are others on
this list who can speak about this with a lot more authority than I can.
I do however think the length of your exhaust pipes is very important. If
they are too short fumes can be sucked in through the bungee openings. I
expect there may also be smaller openings along the bottom of the fuselage
on aircraft that sport the Grove spring gear.
I am surprised that no one, myself included, hasn't tried fitting an
extruder pipe to the exhaust. What it effectively does is creates an
envelope of cold air around the hot exhaust. This will make the engine
exhaust a lot quieter with absolutely no back pressure. BTW this is the
same technology used in the first generation "Hush jets"! DHC Beavers and
some Pipers (Aztec) have been using extruders for years. Actually I think
you will find the extruders on the Aztec works so well they didn't bother
with an exhaust silencer.
Noel
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of jareds
> Sent: Monday, February 26, 2007 11:58 PM
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Kitfox-List: 582 Exhaust Fumes
>
>
>
> Just wanted to get an idea from the 582 flyers how many have a fully
> closed cowling in front?
> I have the "Radial" look with a monster opening in the front. I have
> struggled with exhaust fumes getting into the cockpit. I
> have limited
> the airflow a bit but am considering closing off all the front of
> cowling except around the prop shaft. I have read that the input
> pressure in the engine compartment may be too much with only a little
> outlet at the bottom and no where for fumes to go. C02
> detector used to
> get pretty high until i put some harley building skills to
> use by using
> header wrap around the muffler links and putting plastic paper inside
> the firewall.
>
> 1 Any thoughts on closing the cowl front completely.. any
> disadvantages
> like heat dispation?
> 2 Do you think this will cure the fumes issue?
>
> Thanks in advance to all the good ideas i'm sure i'll be getting.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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KitFoxers,
I recently purchased a Model IV Speedster. The kit came with wheel
pants, but the builder never installed them, opting for large tundra
tires instead.
I would like to install the wheel pants. I've read somewhere that the
tires that go under the pants are a different size than the stock
tires. But I've never seen it written anywhere as to what that size
is. So, some questions:
-- What is the "standard" Kitfox tire size?
--What size tire goes under the wheel pants?
-- What pressures does everybody typically run in their tires?
The builder included the wheel pants. In reading the installation
instructions, there is a spindle that is used to support the outboard
end of the pants.
Hi ! Nick,
Rex here from Australia. I have a MKIV with Grove
gear. I have Douglas 8" steel rims. I think some have Aluminium. The
tyres originally on mine were buffed down 2 ply ATV tyres. In my
opinion these are a total disaster. They get prickle punctures if you go
within a mile of the grass and they do slightly touch inside the wheel
pants. I think they were something like 22 x 7 x 8. I'm not real sure
now.
Anyway I've now had Lawn Mower / Golf Cart tyres fitted for a couple
of years. I really love them. So much so I have bought new spares for
when I wear them out in case I can't find them anymore. However they
hardly show any wear at all in the 2 years I've been running them..
Well they are Goodyear Made in USA Softrac RS 4 Ply 18 x 6.50 x 8.
They don't touch inside the pants and don't get punctures. The one
problem I did have was a valve getting bent over and just starting to
tear enough to leak. I was running the original ATV tyres at 9 PSI.
When I first put on these new tyres I was running 14 PSI because my
friend talked me into the low pressure to reduce bouncing but as we all
know it's not bouncing anyway. This is when the tyres turned a little
and I got the valve trouble. Since then I have run 18 PSI with no sign
of trouble.
Originally I set them up without tubes but was getting slow leakage
where the rims had some slight distortion on the inside from the disc
brake mounting lugs being welded on. So I put in the tubes. The other
point here is that some brainless person at Douglas had drilled the
valve holes in the rims dead oppossite a wheel stud. This makes it very
arkward indeed to get to the valve to either adjust or check pressures
especially with the wheel pants on, so I have now got new tubes ready
for next fitting that have short bent valve stems. I think these will
work fine.
I see you've got feedback re the mounting spindles so I won't answer
that as I can't tell you any better.
Yes these tyres are treaded and the originals were smooth but I notice
no difference and as I said I absolutely love them . Other than the
leaks as tubeless and the bent valve I never have to touch them and the
troubles are now behind me with running tubes and 18PSI. With the
original tyres we were always fiddling with them adjusting pressure,
repairing prickle punctures etc. The last problem is getting to the
valve and my bent valve stems should fix that. Hope this info helps.
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| Subject: | Re: Good bye for a while. |
Graeme,
I wish you would reconsider. I was involved in a pretty bad helicopter
crash and I was the designated pilot in command. The last thing I saw
out of the corner of my eye as we rolled over was the other pilot being
ejected out of the aircraft. I thought that if I would go over and jump
in another aircraft I would be fine. I did that the same day. It didn't
help. I know about the demons and they seem like they will never go
away. I remember being on the pad at 2:00 in the morning on ice and just
the slight move of the collective would make the aircraft shift. I was
going to give up flying. But guess what, with time that feeling went
away. Each time you fly you get a little more confidence back. The crash
was in 1981 and sometimes it feels like yesterday. But today I enjoy
flying more than I ever have. Don't give it up, it will work out. Jeff
Classic IV
----- Original Message -----
From: QSS
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, February 27, 2007 7:41 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Good bye for a while.
Hi Guys, I have unfortunately come to a cross roads in my flying and
have after much thought decided to sell my fox. I have been unable to
come to terms with the crash or for that matter get back into my comfort
zone. I have always had a passion for flying and to own my own aircraft
has been a dream come true but the enjoyment has now been replaced by
negative thoughts and an idle aircraft. The pity is that I know Im a
good pilot and that the rebuild has resulted in a strong and reliable
aircraft. Its just the demon on my shoulder wont allow me to accept it.
I will miss the friendly banter and good natured shots across the bow
that have resulted from the many topics discussed and encourage you all
to continue in this manner. The list administrators should be proud of
their flock and the respect shown for each others opinions. Thanks Deke,
your a good bloke and even handed moderator. Thanks you also Mat for
your tireless work and for providing a resource that allows us all to
tell lies about our flying prowess and our beautiful birds. To all who
help with encouragement and parts during my rebuild, my sincere thanks
because without you my fox would still be sitting in the back paddock. I
will drop in from time to time to see whats being discussed and possibly
just to say hi. I never thought I would say it but, "Mat, please remove
me from the list".
Cheers to all
Graeme
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| Subject: | Re: Good bye for a while. |
Graeme
We will all miss you and your humor . Come back when you can and chat
with us all.
Take care my friend
May the friendly skies find you once more flying high.
John Perry
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| Subject: | Re: Good bye for a while. |
Graeme,
I have been around awhile, and I am old enough to be Jeff's great grandfather.
Although I have not experienced what you and Jeff have gone thru, I can only
imagine what you are going thru. It may even get harder, before it gets easier,
but you have a great group here to support you. Even though I dont know you,
I am sure the sound of a plane overheard still turns your head to see what it
is, or someone that you know. I would encourage you to stay in the group, and
let us all help you get thru this.
There are several ways we can do this:
1. I could send you an mp3 file of me singing various selections. You would get
so sick at your stomach, that you would promise God that you would go back flying
if you could just stop that obnixious noise in your head.
2. I can have several severely ugly women come to your neighborhood and ask all
the neighbors where that cute pilot fellow is, and they "haint leavin till he
takes em a ride."
3. And last but not least, we will all swear that you quit aviation to take up
a career doing James Brown Lives.
I don't want to put pressure on you, but I think you may want to reconsider. Just
think of the high level background check to get a security clearance to be
put back on the list. Not to mention a new initiation fee, and back dues.
Whatever your decision is, we sure hope that you will reconsider, and stay here
and help the rest of us sort out life.
Helicop
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=97768#97768
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| Subject: | Good bye for a while. |
Sorry to hear it. There is a poem. Cant remember the exact words.
Something about once having flown we will always cast our eyes upward
for there we have been and there we will always long to be. Hope you
make the trip back my friend. Good luck in what ever you fill you time
with.
Best wishes
Rick ( no plane any more ....I too look up a lot)
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of QSS
Sent: Tuesday, February 27, 2007 4:42 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Good bye for a while.
Hi Guys, I have unfortunately come to a cross roads in my flying and
have after much thought decided to sell my fox. I have been unable to
come to terms with the crash or for that matter get back into my comfort
zone. I have always had a passion for flying and to own my own aircraft
has been a dream come true but the enjoyment has now been replaced by
negative thoughts and an idle aircraft. The pity is that I know Im a
good pilot and that the rebuild has resulted in a strong and reliable
aircraft. Its just the demon on my shoulder wont allow me to accept it.
I will miss the friendly banter and good natured shots across the bow
that have resulted from the many topics discussed and encourage you all
to continue in this manner. The list administrators should be proud of
their flock and the respect shown for each others opinions. Thanks Deke,
your a good bloke and even handed moderator. Thanks you also Mat for
your tireless work and for providing a resource that allows us all to
tell lies about our flying prowess and our beautiful birds. To all who
help with encouragement and parts during my rebuild, my sincere thanks
because without you my fox would still be sitting in the back paddock. I
will drop in from time to time to see whats being discussed and possibly
just to say hi. I never thought I would say it but, "Mat, please remove
me from the list".
Cheers to all
Graeme
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