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1. 06:41 AM - Re: Rotax service (Brent E Bidus)
2. 02:03 PM - Re: CO2 ??? (John Hepner)
3. 04:39 PM - 912 Carbs (Todd Leiss)
4. 04:48 PM - Re: Re: CO2 ??? (john perry)
5. 05:38 PM - CO or CO2 (Rex Shaw)
6. 06:49 PM - Rated Capacitor Voltage (Rex Shaw)
7. 06:53 PM - Re: 912 Carbs (TC)
8. 07:31 PM - Re: 912 Carbs (Lowell Fitt)
9. 08:49 PM - Re: Rated Capacitor Voltage (Noel Loveys)
10. 09:30 PM - Re: 912 Carbs (Todd Leiss)
11. 11:31 PM - Official Kitfox-List FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions) (Matt Dralle)
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| Subject: | Re: Rotax service |
Thanks to all who responded. I've got a few good choices now.
Brent Bidus
On Wed, 28 Feb 2007 09:44:04 EST Mdkitfox@aol.com writes:
> Brent,
>
> I would highly recommend Lockwood Aviation in Sebring Florida.
> While I
> haven't sent them my engine for work, yet, I have taken their 912
> maintenance
> course. (which I recommend without reservation) I also have talked
> with their
> mechanics and watched as they worked on customers engines. They
> are a first
> class operation, they know the Rotax, and they know homebuilders,
> and will
> work with you.
>
> Rick Weiss
> Series V Speedster - N39RW
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Just out of curiosity...those posting about CO2 in the cockpit.......do
you really mean Carbon Monoxide, CO?
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Looking for some help.
My Rotax 912UL is running very rough at Idle. Also have fuel running out the vent
tubes unless idle is above 2400rpm. I have rebuilt both carbs (Bing 64)
with kits from Bing. Initial set-up as described in the Bing instructions.
I have synchronize the carbs with duel vacuum gauges. However, adjusting the
mixture screws has virtually no effect in RPM or the vacuum gauge readings.
Ignition is working fine, all new plugs. All new connectors and good drop-offs
when switching A or B (Mag Check).
I have compared my engines performance with two other 912 equipped planes on the
field. Mine is much rougher at low and medium speeds.
One question is if the Carb piston vents go towards the intake manifold (as I have
them) or the intake.
Engine has 200 hours (192 by previous owner), 1 hour flight time since I've owned
it and the rest are ground runs trying to get it running right.
Thanks,
Todd Leiss
Kitfox IV Speedster
N926JB
Merritt Island Florida
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HOws this Exhaust emmisions
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Hepner" <hepnerj@corecomm.net>
Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2007 4:00 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: CO2 ???
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> Just out of curiosity...those posting about CO2 in the cockpit.......do
> you really mean Carbon Monoxide, CO?
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>> 2. 03:26 AM - Re: Good bye for a while. (Michel Verheughe)
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Just a small correction here. Isn't it supposed to be CO (carbon
monoxide)? I think CO2 is carbon dioxide.
Deke
Sorry Deke,
I know that but I guess I was half asleep.
Rex.
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| Subject: | Rated Capacitor Voltage |
Last weekend when running my engine to check static RPM before first
flight my noise capacitor blew. The engine has run several hours with no
problems. I was told by one "airport bum" it was undersized (came from
Skystar- 25 V). He indicated I needed at least 50V.
David,
you already have a lot of good advice on this but as a
retired electronics tech I'll try to explain a bit more.
First years ago all electrolytic capacitors [ that's what you are
really talking about ] were marked not only with their capacity in
microfarads [ mfd ] but the voltage. This voltage rating was actually
two. One was working voltage and the other peak. Now that 12 volts you
talk about as yours planes voltage is just really a figure of speech
because even a good battery is about 12.6 volts or slightly more for an
Odyssey type [ Absorbed Glass Mat ]
When your battery is being charged by the alternator on the plane the
voltage should be approx 13.8 volts however that 13. 8 is really an
average. It's all happening many times a second but it's not a rock
steady 13.8 volts that it might appear to be on your gauge on the panel
if you have one. A graph of that voltage would show a lot of very fast
or short duration spikes considerably above 13.8 volts. The 13.8 figure
is an average. That's why electrolytic capacitors were marked working
voltage [ 13.8 or more required ] and peak voltage. Generally twice 13.8
would be a good guide for peak requirements but it does depend on that
waveform ie:- the size of those peaks. I would think one could not rule
out seeing a 70 volt peak for a split second. Also we talk about 13.8
volts as controlled by our regulator but our club Jabiru for instance is
often charging at 16 volts. Now this is not good for our battery if it
happens all the time but we do need to allow for it when choosing our
voltage rating for our capacitor plus we always go bit more for a safety
margin like 20 volts rating. Electroytic capacitor manufacturers have
stopped putting the two ratings on and my understanding is that the
stated rating is the working voltage and if you want the peak you need
to find information from the manufacturer or just guess as we all do
from experience.
OK so why wouldn't a 20 volt capacitor suffice. Well it rightfully
should except we do have those high peaks on our waveform out of our
alternator and regulator. Most regulators don't act quick enough to cut
these sharp peaks. Also the crude method of shorting being used in the
regulators these days does nothing to most of these peaks. So let's say
I'm about right when I talk about 70 volt peaks and I'm also right in
saying the peak rating of a capacitor is at best double the stated [
working ] voltage. What voltage do we then need ? Well as I said a
miniumum of 20 volts but due to peaks that might be 70 volts we need to
cover 70 plus a good safety margin so we will opt for 100. Now if the
peak rating of a capacitor is double the stated voltage that means a 50
volt [ 1/2 of 100 ] rated capacitor is what is required. So why does a
50 volt capacitor sometimes still blow. Well normally it shouldn't and I
guess normally it doesn't but if we get an odd higher peak than we
expect perhaps due to a loose battery terminal or a million other
reasons then we stand a good chance of blowing the capacitor. I think
you will find a lot of one Farad capacitors used as noise suppressor and
filter and reservoir in car stereo systems are rated at 100 volts for
this reason. I don't think they state it but the 100 volt figure is
peak. I guess they just choose to quote the higher figure and not define
what it is because the higher figure looks better. They do that with
wattage output figures on stereo systems all the time.
Anyway if you want to do really well you could go for a one farad 100
volt capacitor. Be warned though they usually cost about $100 AU. On the
other hand a 50 volt capacitor will probably be OK although you could
lose it sometime and for that reason connecting in circiut with a fuse
is a sensible precaution.
Someone also mentioned reverse voltage spikes. Well it's generally
considered an electrolytic can handle 10% of it's rating in this regard
but it's not easy to know what might be required so I'd say in your case
ignore that. In any case if that was a consideration I'd go for a data
sheet rather than guess this one.
Also as some one said "Are you sure you need the capacitor" I haven't
got one but I do use a little circuit instead. A lot have no cicuit or
capacitor and they are just fine.
Hope all this helps.
Rex.
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Todd,
Fuel is running out the vent tubes due to the shaking of the carbs. The
idle mixture needs to be established before syncing. Be sure the engine is
at temp before trying to do any tuning.
Do you have the Bing manual? I rebuilt mine late last year and it took some
time to get them back into sync and running smoothly. Give Bing a call.
Those guys are very helpful.
Regards,
Ted
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[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Todd Leiss
Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2007 6:38 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: 912 Carbs
Looking for some help.
My Rotax 912UL is running very rough at Idle. Also have fuel running out
the vent tubes unless idle is above 2400rpm. I have rebuilt both carbs
(Bing 64) with kits from Bing. Initial set-up as described in the Bing
instructions. I have synchronize the carbs with duel vacuum gauges.
However, adjusting the mixture screws has virtually no effect in RPM or the
vacuum gauge readings. Ignition is working fine, all new plugs. All new
connectors and good drop-offs when switching A or B (Mag Check).
I have compared my engines performance with two other 912 equipped planes on
the field. Mine is much rougher at low and medium speeds.
One question is if the Carb piston vents go towards the intake manifold (as
I have them) or the intake.
Engine has 200 hours (192 by previous owner), 1 hour flight time since I've
owned it and the rest are ground runs trying to get it running right.
Thanks,
Todd Leiss
Kitfox IV Speedster
N926JB
Merritt Island Florida
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Hi Todd,
I had the exact same problem after a rebuild with the Bing kit. I traced it
to the carb float needles. Apparently they offer three types. I don't
recall which ones are which, although they can be identified by color. The
912ULS has a black one, Mine are yellow metal, as I recall and the other
ones are white metal.
I finally had to go back to the old ones per the Rotax inspection
procedures. Smothed right out and no more fuel dripping. The inspection
procedure is issentially to look at the spring loaded pin end and if you see
no wear under the crimp where the pin flange would be. They are good to go.
I called Bing and learned this stuff, but got no satisfaction. That is why
the change back to the old needles.
Regarding the guages. It is my understanding that you set the cable lengths
to balance the carbs. The start point of the idle jets is 1.5 turns from
full closed. After the cables are adjused to balance the vacuum gauges, the
jet can be tweeked to improve idle. What you are doing in this procedure is
making sure the throttle butterflys are opening at the same time, hence the
vacuum gauges.
Lowell
----- Original Message -----
From: "Todd Leiss" <tleiss@earthlink.net>
Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2007 4:38 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: 912 Carbs
> Looking for some help.
>
> My Rotax 912UL is running very rough at Idle. Also have fuel running out
> the vent tubes unless idle is above 2400rpm. I have rebuilt both carbs
> (Bing 64) with kits from Bing. Initial set-up as described in the Bing
> instructions. I have synchronize the carbs with duel vacuum gauges.
> However, adjusting the mixture screws has virtually no effect in RPM or
> the vacuum gauge readings. Ignition is working fine, all new plugs. All
> new connectors and good drop-offs when switching A or B (Mag Check).
>
> I have compared my engines performance with two other 912 equipped planes
> on the field. Mine is much rougher at low and medium speeds.
>
> One question is if the Carb piston vents go towards the intake manifold
> (as I have them) or the intake.
>
> Engine has 200 hours (192 by previous owner), 1 hour flight time since
> I've owned it and the rest are ground runs trying to get it running right.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Todd Leiss
> Kitfox IV Speedster
> N926JB
> Merritt Island Florida
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| Subject: | Rated Capacitor Voltage |
Rex:
I liked your explanations. I've seen caps with several thousand uF but
I've
never seen a one farad cap. When I was in school they told me you
couldn't
move a one farad cap with a semi rig. While this was probably a gross
exaggeration isn't a one F cap a monster!
What I was getting at was to be sure the capacitor was installed after
the
rectifier (new installation) and to be sure there wasn't something
wrong
with the rectifier bridge.
Generally, when a lytic pops I go looking for a reason.... sometimes I
find
one, sometimes I don't.
All the times I've looked at wave forms on a scope all the nasty voltage
spikes all but disappeared when a battery was installed in the circuit.
Noel
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rex Shaw
Sent: Friday, March 02, 2007 5:46 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Rated Capacitor Voltage
Last weekend when running my engine to check static RPM before first
flight my noise capacitor blew. The engine has run several hours with no
problems. I was told by one "airport bum" it was undersized (came from
Skystar- 25 V). He indicated I needed at least 50V.
David,
you already have a lot of good advice on this but as a
retired
electronics tech I'll try to explain a bit more.
First years ago all electrolytic capacitors [ that's what you are
really
talking about ] were marked not only with their capacity in microfarads
[
mfd ] but the voltage. This voltage rating was actually two. One was
working
voltage and the other peak. Now that 12 volts you talk about as yours
planes
voltage is just really a figure of speech because even a good battery is
about 12.6 volts or slightly more for an Odyssey type [ Absorbed Glass
Mat ]
When your battery is being charged by the alternator on the plane the
voltage should be approx 13.8 volts however that 13. 8 is really an
average.
It's all happening many times a second but it's not a rock steady 13.8
volts
that it might appear to be on your gauge on the panel if you have one. A
graph of that voltage would show a lot of very fast or short duration
spikes
considerably above 13.8 volts. The 13.8 figure is an average. That's why
electrolytic capacitors were marked working voltage [ 13.8 or more
required
] and peak voltage. Generally twice 13.8 would be a good guide for peak
requirements but it does depend on that waveform ie:- the size of those
peaks. I would think one could not rule out seeing a 70 volt peak for a
split second. Also we talk about 13.8 volts as controlled by our
regulator
but our club Jabiru for instance is often charging at 16 volts. Now this
is
not good for our battery if it happens all the time but we do need to
allow
for it when choosing our voltage rating for our capacitor plus we always
go
bit more for a safety margin like 20 volts rating. Electroytic capacitor
manufacturers have stopped putting the two ratings on and my
understanding
is that the stated rating is the working voltage and if you want the
peak
you need to find information from the manufacturer or just guess as we
all
do from experience.
OK so why wouldn't a 20 volt capacitor suffice. Well it rightfully
should
except we do have those high peaks on our waveform out of our alternator
and
regulator. Most regulators don't act quick enough to cut these sharp
peaks.
Also the crude method of shorting being used in the regulators these
days
does nothing to most of these peaks. So let's say I'm about right when I
talk about 70 volt peaks and I'm also right in saying the peak rating of
a
capacitor is at best double the stated [ working ] voltage. What voltage
do
we then need ? Well as I said a miniumum of 20 volts but due to peaks
that
might be 70 volts we need to cover 70 plus a good safety margin so we
will
opt for 100. Now if the peak rating of a capacitor is double the stated
voltage that means a 50 volt [ 1/2 of 100 ] rated capacitor is what is
required. So why does a 50 volt capacitor sometimes still blow. Well
normally it shouldn't and I guess normally it doesn't but if we get an
odd
higher peak than we expect perhaps due to a loose battery terminal or a
million other reasons then we stand a good chance of blowing the
capacitor.
I think you will find a lot of one Farad capacitors used as noise
suppressor
and filter and reservoir in car stereo systems are rated at 100 volts
for
this reason. I don't think they state it but the 100 volt figure is
peak. I
guess they just choose to quote the higher figure and not define what it
is
because the higher figure looks better. They do that with wattage output
figures on stereo systems all the time.
Anyway if you want to do really well you could go for a one farad 100
volt
capacitor. Be warned though they usually cost about $100 AU. On the
other
hand a 50 volt capacitor will probably be OK although you could lose it
sometime and for that reason connecting in circiut with a fuse is a
sensible
precaution.
Someone also mentioned reverse voltage spikes. Well it's generally
considered an electrolytic can handle 10% of it's rating in this regard
but
it's not easy to know what might be required so I'd say in your case
ignore
that. In any case if that was a consideration I'd go for a data sheet
rather
than guess this one.
Also as some one said "Are you sure you need the capacitor" I haven't
got
one but I do use a little circuit instead. A lot have no cicuit or
capacitor
and they are just fine.
Hope all this helps.
Rex.
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Some more info on my carb problem:
My vent tubes are the proscribed length (about 4 inches), and tucked under
the float bowl spring clip.
I have new Boots or Flanges.
Vents under Carb inlets are free. Carbs are facing the correct way.
Synchronized by the Lockwood method (two Vacuum gauges) adjusting the
throttle cables as described in a "power-up" article.
On the bottom of the Carb slide (with long needle valve set at proscribed
clip position) there are two vent holes. Do these face the air filter or
Intake manifold (as I have them)?
I have a new (Jan 07) Fuel pump from Lockwood. I had ignition issues,
which I solved, but around the same time my old fuel pump started to leak.
The carbs didn't have the fuel running out the vents before the new pump,
but it never occurred to me that the pump could be the problem. This may
very well be the issue. I will definitely check with Lockwood tomorrow
concerning the fuel pressure.
Keep the wonderfully helpful cards and letters coming.
All the Best,
Todd
> [Original Message]
> From: Roger Lee <ssadiver1@yahoo.com>
> To: <rotaxengines-list@matronics.com>
> Date: 3/1/2007 10:15:21 PM
> Subject: RotaxEngines-List: Re: 912 Carbs
>
> --> RotaxEngines-List message posted by: "Roger Lee" <ssadiver1@yahoo.com>
>
> Hi Todd,
>
>
> Question: Are both carbs actting up in the same way?
>
> Those vents you describe on the carb throat edges are actually inlets.
They must face out towards the air cleaner side or you will have the
problems as you describe. These intakes help work the diaphram in the top
of your carb for pressure changes.
>
> If this was the problem your home free, if not:
> One of the things you need to check is your fuel pump pressure. There is
a new service bulletin out on certain serial numbered engines that they
want these pumps replaced. The symptoms are as you describe. The max
pressure (without the manual in front of me) is 5.6 psi and some of these
pumps are putting out in the 9psi range.
> This type of pressure will cause what you have described. There is a
replacement program as I understand it.
> Your mixture screw should be set at 1.5 turns and left alone. Then you
should set the carb's idel screw with the engine off and then while it is
running.
>
>
> My bet is that your carbs are facing the wrong way.
>
> Good luck!
>
> --------
> Roger Lee
> Tucson, Az.
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=98230#98230
>
>
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3) !! This would seem to go without saying, but I'll say it anyway. Do not
post anything that would be considered offensive by your grandmother.
And you know what I'm saying; I don't want to see anything even
questionable. !!
4) REMEMBER THIS: If you post a 1MB enclosure to a List with 1000 members
subscribed, your 1MB enclosure must be resent 1000 times amounting
to 1MB X 1000 = 1 Gigabyte of network traffic!! BE CAREFUL and
BE COURTEOUS!
Also see the section below on the Matronics Photo and File Share where
you can have your files and photos posted on the Matronics web server
for long time viewing and availability.
*******************
*** Digest Mode ***
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Each day, starting at 12 midnight PST US, a new 'digest' will be started.
This digest will contain the same information that is currently appended
to the archive file. It has all of the headers except for the "From:"
and "Subject:" lines removed, and includes a message separator consisting
of a line of underscores.
Each day at 23:55 PST US, the day's messages as described above will be
combined and sent as a single message to everyone on the digest email list.
To subscribe to the digest list, use the same subscription web form
described above, and just select the Digest version of the List.
http://www.matronics.com/subscribe
Note that you *can* be subscribed to both the realtime and digest versions
of the List at the same time. This is perfectly acceptable.
Now some caveats:
* Messages sent to "kitfox-list-digest" will be forwarded to the standard
email list. In other words, you cannot post messages only to the
digest List.
* If you are subscribed to both the regular List and the digest List, you
will receive the realtime postings as well as the digest at the end of
the day.
* If you reply to the digest email, your message will be forwarded to the
normal list associated with the digest. Important Note: Please change
the subject line to reflect the topic of your response! Also, please
*do not include all or most of the digest in your reply*.
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*** List Digest Browser ***
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An archive of all the List Digests can be found online in either plain text
or HTML format. These archives contain the exact Digest that was posted to
the Digest email list on the given day. The Digest Archives can be found
at the following location:
http://www.matronics.com/digest
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*** The "DO NOT ARCHIVE" Message Flag ***
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At times, your message may concern something that is revelent only to a very
small number of persons or to a limited area, and you may not wish to archive
it. In such a case, simply put the following phrase anywhere in the
message:
do not archive
Your message will not be appended to the archive, but will be sent to List
email distribution as normal.
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***** READ THIS - Automatic Unsubscribes *****
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Note that if your email address begins to cause problems such as bounced
email, mailbox is filled, or any other errors, your address will be promptly
removed from the List. If you discover that you are no longer receiving
messages from the Kitfox-List, go to the following Web page, and look
for your email address and a possible reason for your removal.
The Matronics Email List uses utility called the "Email Weasel" that
automatically looks though the day's bounced email for addresses that
caused problems due to common things like "user is unknown", "mailbox
full", etc. If the Email Weasel removes your email address from the
Lists you will find record of it at the following URL:
http://www.matronics.com/unsubscribed
If the problem listed on the web site above has been resolved, please feel
free to resubscribe to the Lists of your choice.
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*** List Member Information ***
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If you have not done so already, please email me your phone numbers and
paper mail address in the following format:
smith@somehost.com
Joe Smith
123 Airport Lane
Tower, CA 91234-1234
098-765-1234 w
123-456-7890 h
Please forward this information to the following email address:
requests@matronics.com
I have a file of such things, that I typically use to contact you when
there are problems with your email address. The information will NOT
be used for any other commercial purpose.
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*** Realtime Web Email List Browsing ***
****************************************
Recent messages posted to the Kitfox-List are also made available on
the Web for realtime browsing. Seven days worth of back postings are
available with this feature. The messages can be sorted by Subject,
Author, Date, or Message Thread. The Realtime List Browser indexes are
updated twice per hour at xx:15 and xx:45. You can also reply to a message
or start a new message directly from the List Browser Interface (coming soon).
You do not have to be subscribed to the given list to use the List
Browser Interface in view-mode.
http://www.matronics.com/browselist/kitfox-list
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*** Web Forums Bulletin Board Interface ***
*******************************************
A phpBB BBS web Forums front end is available for all Kitfox-List content.
content. The Forums contain all of the same content available via the email
distribution and found on the various archive viewing formats such as the
List Browse, etc. Any posts on the web Forums will be cross posted to the
respective email List, and posts to the Email List will be cross posted to
the web Forums.
You may view all List content on the Forums without any special login.
If you wish to post a message via the Web Forum interface, however, you
will need to Register. This is a simple process that takes only a few
minutes. A link to the Registration page can be found at the top of the
main web Forums page. Note that registering on the Forum web site also
enables you to send email posts to the Lists as well. You will also need to
Subscribe to the respective Email List as described above to receive the
Email Distribution of the List, however.
The Matroincs Email List Web BBS Forums can be found at the following URL:
http://forums.matronics.com
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*** Matronics Email List Wiki ***
*********************************
In an attempt to make it easy to store and find structured and often accessed
information, Matronics has installed a Wiki at:
http://wiki.matronics.com
The Wiki allows individuals to create web pages to contain useful information
for other users of the mailing lists and web site. Unlike an ordinary web page
where the content needs to be submitted to Matronics for inclusion, the Wiki
permits the users to construct their own pages and have them visible immediately.
While constructing pages for the Wiki is not difficult, some may not be
comfortable building pages. In that case, simply prepare the text and any
images and email it to:
wiki-support@matronics.com
One of the volunteers on that list will take your submission and construct
a Wiki page for you.
Often someone produces a particularly useful posting in email one one of the
Lists that would be of general interest. In that case Matronics may take that
post and convert it into a Wiki page.
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*** List Archives ***
*********************
A file containing of all of the previous postings to the Kitfox-List is
available on line. The archive file information is available via the
Web and FTP in a number of forms. Each are briefly described below:
* Kitfox-List.FAQ
- Latest version of the Kitfox-List Frequently Asked Question
page (this document).
* Kitfox-Archive.digest.complete
- Complete file with most of the email header info removed and
page breaks inserted between messages.
* Kitfox-Archive.digest.vol-??
- Same as the file above, but broken up into small sections that
can more easily handled.
* Kitfox-Archive.digest.complete.zip
- Same as the Kitfox-Archive.digest.complete file above, but
in PKZIP format. Use "binary" data transfer methods.
* Kitfox-Archive.digest.complete.Z
- Same as the Kitfox-Archive.digest.complete file above, but in
UNIX compress format. Use "binary" data transfer methods.
Download Via FTP
----------------
The archive file is available via anonymous FTP from ftp.matronics.com
in the "/pub/Archives" directory. It is updated daily and can be found in
a number of formats as described above. (All filenames are case sensitive.)
ftp://ftp.matronics.com/pub/Archives
Download Via Web
----------------
The archives are also available via a web listing. These can be found
toward the bottom of the following web page:
http://www.matronics.com/archives
******************************************
*** Complete List Web Archive Browsing ***
******************************************
All messages posted to the Kitfox-List are also available using the
Email List Archive Browsing feature. With this utility, all messages
in the List are indexed, and individual sub-archives can be browsed.
http://www.matronics.com/archive/archive-index.cgi?Kitfox
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**** High-Speed Archive Search Engine ***
*****************************************
You can use the custom, high-performance Matronics Email List Search Engine
to quickly locate and browse any messages that have been posted to the
List. The Engine allows the user to easily search any of the currently
available List archives.
http://www.matronics.com/search
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*** File and Photo Share ***
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With the Matronics Email List File and Photo Share you can share pictures
and other data with members of the List without having to forward a
copy of it to everyone. To share your Files and Photos, simply email
them to:
pictures@matronics.com
!! ==> Please including the following information with each submission:
1) Email Lists that they are related to.
2) Your Full Name.
3) Your Email Address.
4) One line Subject description.
5) Multi-line, multi-paragraph description of topic.
6-x) One-line Description of each photo or file
Prior to public availability of the files and photos, each will be scanned
for viruses. Please also note that the process of making the files and
photos available on the web site is a pseudo-manual process, and I try to
process them every few days.
Following the availability of the new Photoshare, an email message will be
sent to the Email Lists enumerated in 1) above indicating that the new
Share is available and what the direct URL to it is.
For a current list of available Photoshares, have a look at the Main
Index Page:
http://www.matronics.com/photoshare
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*** List Archive CDROM ***
**************************
A complete Matronics Email List Archive CD is available that contains
all of the archives since the beginning of each of the Lists. The archives
for all of the Lists are included on the CD along with a freeware search
engine written by a list member. The CD is burned the day you order it
and will contain archive received up to the last minute. They make
great gifts!
http://www.matronics.com/ArchiveCDROM
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The Matronics Lists are run *completely* through the support of it members.
You won't find any PopUpAds, flashing Banner ads, or any other form of
annoying commercialism on either the Email Messages or the List web pages
associated with the Matronics Email Lists. Every year during November
I run a low-key, low-pressure "Fund Raiser" where, throughout the month,
I ask List members to make a Contribution in any amount with which they
are comfortable.
I will often offer free gifts with certain contribution levels during the
Fund Raiser to increase the participation. The gifts are usually donated
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Your Contributions go directly to supporting the operation of the Lists
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If you enjoy and value the List, won't you make a Contribution today to
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Kitfox-List Usage Guidelines
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The following details the official Usage Guidelines for the Kitfox-List.
You are encouraged to read it carefully, and to abide by the rules therein.
Failure to use the Kitfox-List in the manner described below may result
in the removal of the subscribers from the List.
Kitfox-List Policy Statement
The purpose of the Kitfox-List is to provide a forum of discussion for
things related to this particular discussion group. The List's goals
are to serve as an information resource to its members; to deliver
high-quality content; to provide moral support; to foster camaraderie
among its members; and to support safe operation. Reaching these goals
requires the participation and cooperation of each and every member of
the List. To this end, the following guidelines have been established:
- Please keep all posts related to the List at some level. Do not submit
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- THINK carefully before you write. Ask yourself if your post will be
relevant to everyone. If you have to wonder about that, DON'T send it.
- Remember that your post will be included for posterity in an archive
that is growing in size at an extraordinary rate. Try to be concise and
terse in your posts. Avoid overly wordy and lengthy posts and
responses.
- Keep your signature brief. Please include your name, email address,
aircraft type/tail number, and geographic location. A short line
about where you are in the building process is also nice. Avoid
bulky signatures with character graphics; they consume unnecessary
space in the archive.
- DON'T post requests to the List for information when that info is
easily obtainable from other widely available sources. Consult the
web page or FAQ first.
- If you want to respond to a post, DO keep the "Subject:" line of
your response the same as that of the original post. This makes it
easy to find threads in the archive.
- When responding, NEVER quote the *entire* original post in your
response. DO use lines from the original post to help "tune in" the
reader to the topic at hand, but be selective. The impact that
quoting the entire original post has on the size of the archive
can not be overstated!
- When the poster asks you to respond to him/her personally, DO NOT
then go ahead and reply to the List. Be aware that clicking the
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- DO NOT use the List to respond to a post unless you have something
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agree", and "Congratulations" are all responses that are better sent
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- When responding to others' posts, avoid the feeling that you need to
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contribute something valuable.
- Feel free to disagree with other viewpoints, BUT keep your tone
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other listers, or take the moral high ground on an obviously
controversial issue. This will only cause a pointless debate that
will hurt feelings, waste bandwidth and resolve nothing.
- Occassional posts by vendors or individuals who are regularyly
subscribed to a given List are considered acceptable. Posts by
List members promoting their respective products or items for sale
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a typical SPAM message. The List isn't about commercialism, but
is about sharing information and knowledge. This applies to
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Dear Listers,
Please read over the Kitfox-List Usage Guidelines below. The complete
Kitfox-List FAQ including these Usage Guidelines can be found at the
following URL:
http://www.matronics.com/FAQs/Kitfox-List.FAQ.html
Thank you,
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
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Kitfox-List Usage Guidelines
******************************************************************************
The following details the official Usage Guidelines for the Kitfox-List.
You are encouraged to read it carefully, and to abide by the rules therein.
Failure to use the Kitfox-List in the manner described below may result
in the removal of the subscribers from the List.
Kitfox-List Policy Statement
The purpose of the Kitfox-List is to provide a forum of discussion for
things related to this particular discussion group. The List's goals
are to serve as an information resource to its members; to deliver
high-quality content; to provide moral support; to foster camaraderie
among its members; and to support safe operation. Reaching these goals
requires the participation and cooperation of each and every member of
the List. To this end, the following guidelines have been established:
- Please keep all posts related to the List at some level. Do not submit
posts concerning computer viruses, urban legends, random humor, long
lost buddies' phone numbers, etc. etc.
- THINK carefully before you write. Ask yourself if your post will be
relevant to everyone. If you have to wonder about that, DON'T send it.
- Remember that your post will be included for posterity in an archive
that is growing in size at an extraordinary rate. Try to be concise and
terse in your posts. Avoid overly wordy and lengthy posts and
responses.
- Keep your signature brief. Please include your name, email address,
aircraft type/tail number, and geographic location. A short line
about where you are in the building process is also nice. Avoid
bulky signatures with character graphics; they consume unnecessary
space in the archive.
- DON'T post requests to the List for information when that info is
easily obtainable from other widely available sources. Consult the
web page or FAQ first.
- If you want to respond to a post, DO keep the "Subject:" line of
your response the same as that of the original post. This makes it
easy to find threads in the archive.
- When responding, NEVER quote the *entire* original post in your
response. DO use lines from the original post to help "tune in" the
reader to the topic at hand, but be selective. The impact that
quoting the entire original post has on the size of the archive
can not be overstated!
- When the poster asks you to respond to him/her personally, DO NOT
then go ahead and reply to the List. Be aware that clicking the
"reply" button on your mail package does not necessarily send your
response to the original poster. You might have to actively address
your response with the original poster's email address.
- DO NOT use the List to respond to a post unless you have something
to add that is relevant and has a broad appeal. "Way to go!", "I
agree", and "Congratulations" are all responses that are better sent
to the original poster directly, rather than to the List at large.
- When responding to others' posts, avoid the feeling that you need to
comment on every last point in their posts, unless you can truly
contribute something valuable.
- Feel free to disagree with other viewpoints, BUT keep your tone
polite and respectful. Don't make snide comments, personally attack
other listers, or take the moral high ground on an obviously
controversial issue. This will only cause a pointless debate that
will hurt feelings, waste bandwidth and resolve nothing.
- Occassional posts by vendors or individuals who are regularyly
subscribed to a given List are considered acceptable. Posts by
List members promoting their respective products or items for sale
should be of a friendly, informal nature, and should not resemble
a typical SPAM message. The List isn't about commercialism, but
is about sharing information and knowledge. This applies to
everyone, including those who provide products to the entire
community. Informal presentation and moderation should be the
operatives with respect to advertising on the Lists.
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