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1. 06:43 AM - Inspection Ring Covers (Tom Jones)
2. 07:10 AM - Re: Inspection Ring Covers (D. Fisher)
3. 07:13 AM - Re: Inspection Ring Covers (84KF)
4. 08:10 AM - Re: Inspection Ring Covers (Lynn Matteson)
5. 08:24 AM - Nose gear convertion for Classic IV (icaza francisco)
6. 08:51 AM - Re: Nose gear convertion for Classic IV (Lynn Matteson)
7. 08:54 AM - Re: Nose gear convertion for Classic IV (Eric)
8. 08:56 AM - Re: Inspection Ring Covers (Noel Loveys)
9. 09:40 AM - Re: Nose gear convertion for Classic IV (GENTRYLL@aol.com)
10. 10:27 AM - Re: Nose gear convertion for Classic IV (JimmieBlackwell@austin.rr.com)
11. 12:24 PM - Re: Nose gear convertion for Classic IV (dcsfoto)
12. 12:29 PM - Re: Inspection Ring Covers (Tom Jones)
13. 05:19 PM - Re: Nose gear convertion for Classic IV (Dan Billingsley)
14. 09:55 PM - Re: Flight to Alaska (Larry/Cathy Boone)
15. 10:07 PM - Re: Flight to Alaska (Larry/Cathy Boone)
16. 10:13 PM - Re: Re: Flight to Alaska (Larry/Cathy Boone)
17. 11:33 PM - Re: Kitfox website FAQ (Michael Gibbs)
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| Subject: | Inspection Ring Covers |
Does it matter how inspection ring/hole covers are oriented? That is, should the
retaining clip be oriented lengthwise or crosswise to the direction of flight?
I have some flat ones and some convex ones. Is there a prefrence?
The inspection hole I have cut out is on the bottom of the fuselage under the elevator
tube midship bearing.
Tom Jones, Classic 4, Ellensburg, WA
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| Subject: | Re: Inspection Ring Covers |
Tom,
My Belly cover has 4 tabs that hold it on.
It has never fallen off on floats , skis or wheels but after the King Fox
tire install and try - outs in water the water spray will knock it off. Only
happened twice so far but it can still happen.
Dave
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tom Jones" <nahsikhs@elltel.net>
Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2007 9:43 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Inspection Ring Covers
>
> Does it matter how inspection ring/hole covers are oriented? That is,
> should the retaining clip be oriented lengthwise or crosswise to the
> direction of flight?
>
> I have some flat ones and some convex ones. Is there a prefrence?
>
> The inspection hole I have cut out is on the bottom of the fuselage under
> the elevator tube midship bearing.
>
> Tom Jones, Classic 4, Ellensburg, WA
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=99041#99041
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Inspection Ring Covers |
Tom,
Hole covers include two types. 2 clips-normal, and 4 clips- highspeedaerobatic.
Use the 2, and it sounds like that's what you have.
I have never seen any published info that states orientation is an issue. I have
opened up hundreds of fabric aircraft and they remain in place no matter which
way they face. And yes, there are times when you must install them in a direction
that avoids the internal structure such as spars and ribs.
Concave seems to conform to the reinforcing ring, plus you can apply pressure
to the middle and edges to "pop" it open to get the clips over the edge of the
hole when fabric thickness or obstructions make it a tight fit. once installed,
carefully "pop" it back to original shape. This also avoids chewing up the
fabric layers on the inside of the hole. Not always necessary to do such, but
sometimes it helps.
Steve
A&P, IA
Dope and fabric since 1979 ( when Polyfiber was Stitts)
Never fly the "A" model of anything" (author unknown)
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| Subject: | Re: Inspection Ring Covers |
The theory that I heard was orient the clip across the flow of air.
This way, if it slips back, it will still be held on by both clips,
whereas the other way it could slip back and the front of the clip
would miss the hole and the cover could be lifted in front by the air
and be flipped off the plane.
Lynn
On Mar 6, 2007, at 9:43 AM, Tom Jones wrote:
>
> Does it matter how inspection ring/hole covers are oriented? That
> is, should the retaining clip be oriented lengthwise or crosswise
> to the direction of flight?
>
> I have some flat ones and some convex ones. Is there a prefrence?
>
> The inspection hole I have cut out is on the bottom of the fuselage
> under the elevator tube midship bearing.
>
> Tom Jones, Classic 4, Ellensburg, WA
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=99041#99041
>
>
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| Subject: | Nose gear convertion for Classic IV |
Dear friends,
Im installing the nose gear convertion in my classic
IV and I have two questions:
1. Ive tried to install the brace that goes in the
belly and ataches into the most forward bracket
support. The thing is that I have to bend the brace up
a little (about 1 1/2") to get the point. I dont want
to damage it but I dont find any other way. Is that
correct?
2. Besides, the Grove main landing aluminum spring is
not simetrical. I dont know if the brake lines that
conect to the inner duct have to be looking to the
tail or to the front. I did not recived Grove
instructions for that. In one way both wheels are a
little forward than the other.
Many thanks in advance,
Francisco Icaza.
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| Subject: | Re: Nose gear convertion for Classic IV |
My instructions...for the rifle-drilled/gundrilled gear...say "Use
upper gundrilled brakeline exit hole to locate rear edge of landing
gear."
Lynn
On Mar 6, 2007, at 11:24 AM, icaza francisco wrote:
> <franicaza@yahoo.com.mx>
>
> Dear friends,
>
> Im installing the nose gear convertion in my classic
> IV and I have two questions:
>
> 1. Ive tried to install the brace that goes in the
> belly and ataches into the most forward bracket
> support. The thing is that I have to bend the brace up
> a little (about 1 1/2") to get the point. I dont want
> to damage it but I dont find any other way. Is that
> correct?
>
> 2. Besides, the Grove main landing aluminum spring is
> not simetrical. I dont know if the brake lines that
> conect to the inner duct have to be looking to the
> tail or to the front. I did not recived Grove
> instructions for that. In one way both wheels are a
> little forward than the other.
>
> Many thanks in advance,
>
>
> Francisco Icaza.
>
>
>
>
>
> ___________________________________________________________
> La mejor conexin a Internet y <b >2GB</b> extra a tu correo por
> $100 al mes. http://net.yahoo.com.mx
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Nose gear convertion for Classic IV |
Hi Francisco,
the brake line fittings on Grove gear point towards the tail. I did a nose
gear conversion on my Speedster and nothing had to be bent to make it fit.
You can see some pictures of the conversion at
http://new.photos.yahoo.com/irus58/albums
Eric
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| Subject: | Inspection Ring Covers |
Tom:
Did you first install a reinforcing ring on the skin or your plane before
cutting the hole? Sorry dumb question. The tabs in any orientation should
be enough to hold the plate on... I would expect that having the tabs
lengthways in line with the direction of flight may be a bit better. If you
have trouble with the plates moving then you can install tinnerman clip nuts
and use self tapping screws with them. Three screws to a plate attached at
120deg around the edge of the plate.
This is the system that most, if not all the inspection ports are attached
to a C185. Personally if I were to use that method of attachment like
Cpamsna I would pre drill the location of the tinnerman nuts and the plates.
Noel
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tom Jones
> Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2007 11:13 AM
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Inspection Ring Covers
>
>
>
> Does it matter how inspection ring/hole covers are oriented?
> That is, should the retaining clip be oriented lengthwise or
> crosswise to the direction of flight?
>
> I have some flat ones and some convex ones. Is there a prefrence?
>
> The inspection hole I have cut out is on the bottom of the
> fuselage under the elevator tube midship bearing.
>
> Tom Jones, Classic 4, Ellensburg, WA
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=99041#99041
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Nose gear convertion for Classic IV |
Is this a conversion avaialble from Univar or does John handle them. Can it
be used on the older Kitfox's say 1993?
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| Subject: | Re: Nose gear convertion for Classic IV |
Be careful. Some Grove gear has the brake line outlets on the front
of the gear, while others have it on the back side of the gear. The
only way to be sure is to go by the direction of the sweep. I
verified this with Grove.
Jimmie
----- Original Message -----
From: Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Nose gear convertion for Classic IV
>
> My instructions...for the rifle-drilled/gundrilled gear...say "Use
>
> upper gundrilled brakeline exit hole to locate rear edge of
> landing
> gear."
>
> Lynn
> On Mar 6, 2007, at 11:24 AM, icaza francisco wrote:
>
> > <franicaza@yahoo.com.mx>
> >
> > Dear friends,
> >
> > Im installing the nose gear convertion in my classic
> > IV and I have two questions:
> >
> > 1. Ive tried to install the brace that goes in the
> > belly and ataches into the most forward bracket
> > support. The thing is that I have to bend the brace up
> > a little (about 1 1/2") to get the point. I dont want
> > to damage it but I dont find any other way. Is that
> > correct?
> >
> > 2. Besides, the Grove main landing aluminum spring is
> > not simetrical. I dont know if the brake lines that
> > conect to the inner duct have to be looking to the
> > tail or to the front. I did not recived Grove
> > instructions for that. In one way both wheels are a
> > little forward than the other.
> >
> > Many thanks in advance,
> >
> >
> > Francisco Icaza.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ___________________________________________________________
> > La mejor conexin a Internet y <b >2GB</b> extra a tu correo por
>
> > $100 al mes. http://net.yahoo.com.mx
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Nose gear convertion for Classic IV |
on my 7 the brake line is fwd
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| Subject: | Re: Inspection Ring Covers |
Okay, thanks for the replies guys.
> Did you first install a reinforcing ring on the skin or your plane before
> cutting the hole? Sorry dumb question.
No questions are dumb. Thanks for checking up on me. Yes, I installed the reinforcing
ring using the "after the aircraft was finished method". I got tired
of streatching to reach the elevator bearing to clean and lube it.
Tom Jones
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| Subject: | Re: Nose gear convertion for Classic IV |
Icaza,
Take a look at this link. http://www.azshowersolutions.com/TriGear.html This is how john McBean attached the weldment to my IV. Hope this helps.
Dan B
Mesa, AZ
icaza francisco <franicaza@yahoo.com.mx> wrote:
Dear friends,
Im installing the nose gear convertion in my classic
IV and I have two questions:
1. Ive tried to install the brace that goes in the
belly and ataches into the most forward bracket
support. The thing is that I have to bend the brace up
a little (about 1 1/2") to get the point. I dont want
to damage it but I dont find any other way. Is that
correct?
2. Besides, the Grove main landing aluminum spring is
not simetrical. I dont know if the brake lines that
conect to the inner duct have to be looking to the
tail or to the front. I did not recived Grove
instructions for that. In one way both wheels are a
little forward than the other.
Many thanks in advance,
Francisco Icaza.
___________________________________________________________
La mejor conexin a Internet y 2GB extra a tu correo por $100 al mes. http://net.yahoo.com.mx
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| Subject: | Re: Flight to Alaska |
Dear Steve,
No you are not likely to get three clear days. Inland you can fly the
highway or the trench. I'd fly inland and wait for some favorable winds
aloft. It is possible pickup a 20-30 knot tailwind.
----- Original Message -----
From: Steve Zakreski
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, March 03, 2007 5:21 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Flight to Alaska
For those of you familiar with the West coast and Alaska.
It looks like I'm ferrying an aircraft for one of our members from
Seattle to Anchorage sometime in the next few months. The safe (but
long) route for me to take is inland, up the Alaska Highway. Has anyone
flown the coastal route? Am I likely to get 3 clear days to fly this
route in late April and May? I bet it will be pretty.
SteveZ
Calgary
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| Subject: | Re: Flight to Alaska |
There is always the highway itself if push comes to shove.
----- Original Message -----
From: Ted Palamarek
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, March 04, 2007 8:56 AM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Flight to Alaska
Mike
Your statement "there are no landing fields" is absolutely untrue. The
Alaska Highway route is very well developed with all sorts of facilities
available for small aircraft to make the trip from Alberta to Alaska.
Just ask John King, Stan Specht and a host of other fellows who have
made the trip. I have spent 15 years in the lat 60's and early 70's
installing air to ground, ILS, VOR/DME at all the sites up and down the
Highway. I really get peeved when some one just makes a statement
without finding out the facts. You pilot probably flew commercial from
Anchorage to Seattle and never saw the Highway.
Ted
DO NOT ARCHIVE
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From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Mike
Sent: March 4, 2007 7:02 AM
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Flight to Alaska
Steve,
Let me chime in also. My Chief Pilot has spent over 12 years in
Alaska, although he has been in the lower 48 for the last several years.
He told me that the only way to fly the is to follow the Alcan. There
are NO landing fields, and you have to land on the highway. The
services are minimal...basically just fuel. He always kept the road in
sight, so that if you have a problem you have a place to land. Flying
over water should only be done on floats, as there are NO landing
strips.
On Mar 3, 2007, at 10:30 AM, Paul Seehafer wrote:
Steve,
There's a guy that wrote a two part article for Water Flying magazine
about flying his Lake Amphibian to alaska using the route you are
considering. It is titled "Journey on the inside passage", but the
subtitle is "Not for novices, nor the faint of heart". Knowing this
guy has done this trip for years in his lake might offer you some
tremendous advice. His name is Richard Pellerin. He is a FAA medical
examiner (previously a Green Beret and Navy seal fwiw), and has an
occuapational website at www.faamed.com where I'm sure you could contact
him.
I love his quote on the site; "Just remember, if you're not living on
the edge, you're taking up too much space".
Paul Seehafer
Central Wisconsin
----- Original Message -----
From: Steve Zakreski
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, March 03, 2007 7:21 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Flight to Alaska
For those of you familiar with the West coast and Alaska.
It looks like I'm ferrying an aircraft for one of our members from
Seattle to Anchorage sometime in the next few months. The safe (but
long) route for me to take is inland, up the Alaska Highway. Has anyone
flown the coastal route? Am I likely to get 3 clear days to fly this
route in late April and May? I bet it will be pretty.
SteveZ
Calgary
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| Subject: | Re: Flight to Alaska |
excellent advice
----- Original Message -----
From: "kitfoxmike" <customtrans@qwest.net>
Sent: Sunday, March 04, 2007 10:41 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Flight to Alaska
>
> My opinion, do not try to shortcut, go the safest rounte, on this one, fly
> IFR , I FLY ROADS. And take a GPS. If possible, fly with another people,
> preferably in another aircraft next to you, the more the safer. Maybe you
> can plan a multiple aircraft flight up to Alaska, or just meet kitfoxes
> along your route and fly short flights on the way up with them.
>
> --------
> kitfoxmike
> model IV, 1200
> speedster
> 912ul
> Do not archive
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=98677#98677
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Kitfox website FAQ |
For the umpteenth time, Steve sez:
>That leaves the official FAA definition of "maximum takeoff weight"
>as published in the FAADOT Final Rule which states the restriction
>to remain at or below 1320lbs at time of take-off.
It looks like you are still struggling with the word, "maximum." I'd
remind you that I provided specific references to the FARs last time
(as opposed to your references to the Federal Register, which are
merely commentary) and to the dictionary definition of the word
"maximum" (since the FAA neglected to define the term) but as I
recall, this entire subject was officially put to bed by the list
moms the last time it came up--so I won't.
Mike G.
N728KF
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