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1. 12:30 AM - 84KF Airplane pictures and Blog. There goes the neighborhood (84KF)
2. 01:55 AM - Re: 84KF Airplane pictures and Blog. There goes the neighborhood (Michel Verheughe)
3. 02:14 AM - Re: Re: THE ONE...Electric Attitude (Michel Verheughe)
4. 04:18 AM - Re: THE ONE...Electric Attitude (Bradley M Webb)
5. 06:14 AM - Re: false ribs question (Lynn Matteson)
6. 12:33 PM - Re: false ribs question (Lowell Fitt)
7. 02:21 PM - 582 and Key West (Don Smythe)
8. 03:13 PM - Re: 582 and Key West (D. Fisher)
9. 03:46 PM - Re: 582 and Key West (Don Smythe)
10. 03:57 PM - Barnstormers (Warning) (Don Smythe)
11. 04:08 PM - Re: Barnstormers (Warning) (Don Pearsall)
12. 04:37 PM - Re: Barnstormers (Warning) (Don Smythe)
13. 05:30 PM - Re: 582 and Key West (D. Fisher)
14. 05:56 PM - Re: 582 and Key West (Noel Loveys)
15. 06:02 PM - Re: Barnstormers (Warning) me too (Malcolmbru@aol.com)
16. 06:02 PM - Re: Barnstormers (Warning) (Noel Loveys)
17. 06:15 PM - Re: Barnstormers (Warning)me to (Malcolmbru@aol.com)
18. 06:22 PM - Re: Barnstormers (Warning) me too (Jimmie Blackwell)
19. 06:37 PM - malcolm vs David (Malcolmbru@aol.com)
20. 06:44 PM - avid catalina just listed. mal happy new year (Malcolmbru@aol.com)
21. 10:57 PM - cabin turtle deck cover (john perry)
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| Subject: | 84KF Airplane pictures and Blog. There goes the neighborhood |
Just a random work in progress for my amusement. Simple, Non-type specific. Nothing
to sell. No ads. Open to anyone. Has no purpose.
http://84kf.blogspot.com/
So far it was easy to setup, free, ...and I'm learning something new.
When I'm board I'll just delete the whole thing but for now remember I don't
know what I'm doing. This is high altitude stuff to me and I'm normally aspirated.
steve
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=99756#99756
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| Subject: | Re: 84KF Airplane pictures and Blog. There goes the neighborhood |
On Mar 10, 2007, at 9:30 AM, 84KF wrote:
> Just a random work in progress for my amusement. Simple, Non-type
> specific. Nothing to sell. No ads. Open to anyone. Has no purpose.
Nice layout, Steve. Often, less is more; keep it simple. And ... thank
you for quoting Voltaire! :-)
Cheers,
Michel
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| Subject: | Re: THE ONE...Electric Attitude |
On Mar 10, 2007, at 5:56 AM, Bob wrote:
> I'm OK with the B&W but your mileage may vary.
Of course, with a black & white display, "keep the blue side up"
becomes meaningless, Bob, but ... who cares? Our aircraft are not IFR
certified and we use gyro instruments only in the hope that if the
weather turns nasty on us, we have a better chance to avoid a deadly
spin in IMC. If that situation arises (hopefully, never!) then who
cares if the sky is blue and the earth is brown? Readability is then
paramount and black & white should give a good enough contrast.
What I find more important is that this instrument - as my TruTrak turn
coordinator - shows the horizon moving in relation to a fixed aircraft,
as opposed to the conventional turn coordinator that shows an aircraft
that banks its wings in one or the other direction. If you are used to
that kind of visual feedback, that's fine. But the artificial horizon
logic of having the half circle of the earth to move in relation to the
blue sky, is more intuitive because it is exactly what you would see if
you could see the horizon. Correcting a bank with the aileron becomes
then very logic.
One thing I have read and been told by experienced pilots is that; once
the conditions become difficult - as when it's all grey around the
plane - our brain tends to freeze. For that reason, I have made my rule
of actions in order of importance, which is: 1) Fly straight, 2)
control altitude, 3) work a way out of this situation.
Cheers,
Michel
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| Subject: | THE ONE...Electric Attitude |
I'm using their Ultra H-XL in my KF Mod2. I really like it for basic VFR
stuff. Sure is nice to not have the weight and get the EIS functions with
warnings.
I know you're looking for just the ADI, so go to www.sportflyingshop.com,
look there, and call Matt. He's a big help, and the main U.S. distributor
for MGL.
There is a Stratomaster Yahoo group, and the owner/developer Rainier Lamars
monitors it for questions.
Hope this helps,
Bradley
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>From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-
>server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of jareds
>Sent: Friday, March 09, 2007 10:36 PM
>To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Kitfox-List: THE ONE...Electric Attitude
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>Bob ... you are the man!! i knew if i was patient we'd get something
>without gyros that is reliable yet inexpensive.
>I sent them an email to see if they have a "lite" model that doesnt have
>all the bells and whistles for a little tighter budget .....just to see
>what they say!! Would be nice if it was in color but it still looks
>great!! Pretty universal!!
>Thanks Bob!
>
>Bob wrote:
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>>MGL Avionics has the "Smart Singles" line which may fit your need. They
>are solid state and the integrated (all instruments in one EFIS display)
>version of this is what is in the Sonex airplanes. The ARS-1 attitude
>indicator is about $825.
>>http://www.mglavionics.co.za/singles.html
>>Bob
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>>Remember that internet advice may only be worth what you pay.
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| Subject: | Re: false ribs question |
I sanded my false ribs even with the main ribs. Over the fuel tanks,
I epoxied false ribs made of 1/8" wide spruce, and sanded them even
with the main ribs as well.
Lynn
On Mar 9, 2007, at 6:25 PM, jerry evans wrote:
> I'm trying to fix my false ribs between the ribs on my kitfox 2
> Is the false ribs suppose to be level with the ribs all the way to
> the front spar? Mine seem to be about 1/8 inch higher. Should I
> sand to be level with the ribs before I cover the wing?
>
> Jerry Evans
> kitfox 555 _-
> www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List _-
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| Subject: | Re: false ribs question |
Jerry,
The wing designer will arrive at an airfoil shape to obtain the desired
flight characteristics. With our fabirc wings the fabric sags betweent the
ribs which essentially modifies the airfoil of the wings. The false ribs
restores the design airfoil to an extent. Other designs (Rans) will use
aluminum or thin plywood between the ribs at the leading edge to more
exactly get the design profile. Trimming them to the profile of the rib will
give you the closest to the design.
Lowell
----- Original Message -----
From: "jerry evans" <kitfox555@sbcglobal.net>
Sent: Friday, March 09, 2007 3:25 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: false ribs question
> I'm trying to fix my false ribs between the ribs on my kitfox 2 Is the
> false ribs suppose to be level with the ribs all the way to the front
> spar? Mine seem to be about 1/8 inch higher. Should I sand to be level
> with the ribs before I cover the wing?
>
> Jerry Evans
> kitfox 555
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| Subject: | 582 and Key West |
Can someone tell me what the DC output should be for the Key West
regulator on a 582. My battery appears not to be getting enough charge.
The Key West output is 13.7 VDC and I seem to remember it should be
higher but forgot.
Don Smythe
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| Subject: | Re: 582 and Key West |
Don, I just landed but i think my GPS reads 13.8 V and i use the Key
west Regulator. I only have that for referance .
So yours is most likely working ok .
Dave
PS -- I see your plane on Barnstormers reduced to 19k -- heck of a
deal for a IV ready to go........... imo
----- Original Message -----
From: Don Smythe
To: Kitfox List
Sent: Saturday, March 10, 2007 6:20 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: 582 and Key West
Can someone tell me what the DC output should be for the Key West
regulator on a 582. My battery appears not to be getting enough charge.
The Key West output is 13.7 VDC and I seem to remember it should be
higher but forgot.
Don Smythe
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| Subject: | Re: 582 and Key West |
Thanks, must be a bad cell in the battery. I use the EIS for voltage
monitor.
Don Smythe
----- Original Message -----
From: D. Fisher
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2007 5:12 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: 582 and Key West
Don, I just landed but i think my GPS reads 13.8 V and i use the Key
west Regulator. I only have that for referance .
So yours is most likely working ok .
Dave
PS -- I see your plane on Barnstormers reduced to 19k -- heck of
a deal for a IV ready to go........... imo
----- Original Message -----
From: Don Smythe
To: Kitfox List
Sent: Saturday, March 10, 2007 6:20 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: 582 and Key West
Can someone tell me what the DC output should be for the Key West
regulator on a 582. My battery appears not to be getting enough charge.
The Key West output is 13.7 VDC and I seem to remember it should be
higher but forgot.
Don Smythe
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| Subject: | Barnstormers (Warning) |
As mentioned, my plane is in Barnstormers reduced to $19K. Interesting,
I received an email from a David Stan in England who was interested. He
asked a couple questions which I replied. Today he sent an offer (sight
unseen) but there was a slight catch. He had already authorized a US
purchasing agent to spend $36,000. So, it was my lucky day. Instead of
$19K I get $36K but have to pay for the shipping to the UK. The only
other catch was, I need to send a photo copy of my US Passport to get
the ball rolling.
This is slightly off topic but meant to be a warning for anyone
advertising their planes on line. I can't believe that some people
might fall for such a scam. Barnstormers warned of this and I have
notified them.
Don Smythe
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| Subject: | Barnstormers (Warning) |
Hey Don,
I can outbid that offer! I will give you $40k. Give me your checking account
number, your SS#, a copy of your passport, your address and a signature
card. I will make sure that the money is deposited in your account. Really I
will. Honest.
Don Pearsall
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From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Don Smythe
Sent: Saturday, March 10, 2007 3:57 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Barnstormers (Warning)
As mentioned, my plane is in Barnstormers reduced to $19K. Interesting, I
received an email from a David Stan in England who was interested. He asked
a couple questions which I replied. Today he sent an offer (sight unseen)
but there was a slight catch. He had already authorized a US purchasing
agent to spend $36,000. So, it was my lucky day. Instead of $19K I get
$36K but have to pay for the shipping to the UK. The only other catch was,
I need to send a photo copy of my US Passport to get the ball rolling.
This is slightly off topic but meant to be a warning for anyone
advertising their planes on line. I can't believe that some people might
fall for such a scam. Barnstormers warned of this and I have notified them.
Don Smythe
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| Subject: | Re: Barnstormers (Warning) |
Well Don, your offer sounds pretty good but, I don't deliver to Seattle.
Don Smythe
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----- Original Message -----
From: Don Pearsall
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, March 10, 2007 7:07 PM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Barnstormers (Warning)
Hey Don,
I can outbid that offer! I will give you $40k. Give me your checking
account number, your SS#, a copy of your passport, your address and a
signature card. I will make sure that the money is deposited in your
account. Really I will. Honest.
Don Pearsall
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| Subject: | Re: 582 and Key West |
Don, .1 of a volt is nothing.
each cell should be 2.1 volt min.
best test is volt meter across the terminals of battery and even 12.6
volt reading does not mean much until you put a load test to it .
300 amp load will show right away a dead or dying cell . Also know as
a carbon pile but you can get a cheap one for 30 $ or so now.
Most shops have one you could take your battery into get tested.
Dave
----- Original Message -----
From: Don Smythe
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, March 10, 2007 7:45 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: 582 and Key West
Thanks, must be a bad cell in the battery. I use the EIS for voltage
monitor.
Don Smythe
----- Original Message -----
From: D. Fisher
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2007 5:12 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: 582 and Key West
Don, I just landed but i think my GPS reads 13.8 V and i use the
Key west Regulator. I only have that for referance .
So yours is most likely working ok .
Dave
PS -- I see your plane on Barnstormers reduced to 19k -- heck
of a deal for a IV ready to go........... imo
----- Original Message -----
From: Don Smythe
To: Kitfox List
Sent: Saturday, March 10, 2007 6:20 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: 582 and Key West
Can someone tell me what the DC output should be for the Key West
regulator on a 582. My battery appears not to be getting enough charge.
The Key West output is 13.7 VDC and I seem to remember it should be
higher but forgot.
Don Smythe
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| Subject: | 582 and Key West |
First check that all the cells are full. If they are you may be having
a
bit of sulphation. Sometimes that can be cured with a digital pulse
charger. If the cells are all up on their fluid check the specific
gravity
of the cells for a weak cell. If you find one you'll probably need a
new
battery.
Anything over 13V should be enough to charge your battery as long as you
don't have to start the engine every ten minutes. Any thing over 15V
continuous will cook your battery in a surprisingly short time.
Noel
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Don Smythe
Sent: Saturday, March 10, 2007 8:16 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: 582 and Key West
Thanks, must be a bad cell in the battery. I use the EIS for voltage
monitor.
Don Smythe
----- Original Message -----
From: D. Fisher <mailto:d@cfisher.com>
Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2007 5:12 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: 582 and Key West
Don, I just landed but i think my GPS reads 13.8 V and i use the Key
west
Regulator. I only have that for referance .
So yours is most likely working ok .
Dave
PS -- I see your plane on Barnstormers reduced to 19k -- heck of a
deal
for a IV ready to go........... imo
----- Original Message -----
From: Don Smythe <mailto:dosmythe@cox.net>
Sent: Saturday, March 10, 2007 6:20 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: 582 and Key West
Can someone tell me what the DC output should be for the Key West
regulator
on a 582. My battery appears not to be getting enough charge. The Key
West
output is 13.7 VDC and I seem to remember it should be higher but
forgot.
Don Smythe
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| Subject: | Re: Barnstormers (Warning) me too |
I also have been talking to this David guy from ingland on the net. I am
selling a piper 22 20 and david was asking questions about it. I have met a
couple of people from inland that come to the US to buy aircraft. however I
don't think this David is up to snuff. too bad to brokering airplanes is a
lot of fun. today I talked to a man from Oklahoma he was almost as easy to
talk to as don is. mal
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| Subject: | Barnstormers (Warning) |
Just for fun if you had a valid UK passport......... :-) or how about
one
from The Republic of Newfoundland?? ( doesn't exist!)
Tell him you would have to wait until Monday to get your passport from
your
office at CIA HQ :-)
Noel
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Don Smythe
Sent: Saturday, March 10, 2007 8:27 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Barnstormers (Warning)
As mentioned, my plane is in Barnstormers reduced to $19K. Interesting,
I
received an email from a David Stan in England who was interested. He
asked
a couple questions which I replied. Today he sent an offer (sight
unseen)
but there was a slight catch. He had already authorized a US
purchasing
agent to spend $36,000. So, it was my lucky day. Instead of $19K I get
$36K but have to pay for the shipping to the UK. The only other catch
was,
I need to send a photo copy of my US Passport to get the ball rolling.
This is slightly off topic but meant to be a warning for anyone
advertising their planes on line. I can't believe that some people
might
fall for such a scam. Barnstormers warned of this and I have notified
them.
Don Smythe
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| Subject: | Re: Barnstormers (Warning)me to |
this is the mail I just sent him wouldn't it be nice to get this guy? we
could treat him like they treated those fagots in the movie Broke back Mountain
just a little out west humer do not archive please
Did you try to buy a plane from don smith? a kit fox? you shit head. stay
certified there is moor money in it if you need a real US connection to get
planes for you I can help mal just call
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| Subject: | Re: Barnstormers (Warning) me too |
This happened to a friend of mine selling an airplane.
Guy in another country sent my friend a cashiers check for $100,000 for
his airplane unseen....50 grand more than the asking price. Only catch
was, my friend was supposed to send this guy the change, $40,000, keep
$10,000 for the trouble. The $40,000 was to be wired to a specific
account overseas. My friend almost did it, but his bank discovered that
the cashiers check was no good.
Word to the wise....a cashiers check is not even safe anymore.
----- Original Message -----
From: Malcolmbru@aol.com
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, March 10, 2007 8:02 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Barnstormers (Warning) me too
I also have been talking to this David guy from ingland on the net. I
am selling a piper 22 20 and david was asking questions about it. I
have met a couple of people from inland that come to the US to buy
aircraft. however I don't think this David is up to snuff. too bad to
brokering airplanes is a lot of fun. today I talked to a man from
Oklahoma he was almost as easy to talk to as don is. mal
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| Subject: | malcolm vs David |
this is a list of the Email I had with him (david )maybe becouse he asked
for a pasport the department of homeland securety would be interested. i know a
guy in washington that works in neucler something or other. send me the info
off list and I will forword it to him
hello.I saw the advert in which am
interested in buying this unit.I will like to know the present
condition and your last selling price.and What is the last offer that
it is going for?I will be looking towards your feed back as fast as
possible thanks. David
David you do realize this is in America don't you? You can forward a 10%
refundable deposit to hold the unit until final arrangements can be made to
deliver this very unique plane. I can provide a bank routing number for the wire
transfer. I well send 4 pic's now to confirm present condition of plane
now. packing and shipping arraignments will be paid buy seller. we can have
these plane packed and shipped to a new York harbor with in two week's of
payment please call (989)233-5377
iam very i cant make payments in advance until a proper agreement is reached
. david
am interested in selling the plane to anyone that can afford it. I have met
people at sun fun fly inn in Florida in April that come to America every year
to buy aircraft to export to Europe. I know how expensive it is to do that.
I can work with you if you are serious. however i am not a broker and carry
no credentials as such.the problem you may have with this is any real good
deal will get bought up before you can close the deal I have 4 other people
that want photos today alone and one of them called me offering to come up
next week to look if he likes the PICS I can offer pH #'s and Email addressee
for references if you like Malcolm Brubaker midland Michigan USA
(989)631-9506 (land line)
Did you try to buy a plane from don smith ? a kit fox ? you shit head .
stay certafied there is moor money in it if you need a real US conection to get
planes for you I can help. mal . just call
this would make a great novel. we are all stars now of the dope show.
mal
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| Subject: | avid catalina just listed. mal happy new year |
Avid Catalina Amphib for sale
Rotax 912ULS(100hp) engine with Airmaster elect constant speed prop, folding
wings and comes with custom trailer. E-mail me for pictures & details. This
plane built with professional help from start to finish. Less than 20 hours
on plane. I have over $63,000 and 2,000 hours labor invested. Asking 39K OBO.
My flying hobby has come to an end unfortunately.
Contact:
Jim McKenna (_mollymckenna@msn.com_ (mailto:mollymckenna@msn.com) )
360 385 6446
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| Subject: | cabin turtle deck cover |
Help !
I am in immediate need of a cabin turtle deck area cover with wings
folded for the model 2 fox. I am moving back to Alaska and will be
hauling the plane up the Alcan in the next month . If someone has one
but does not want to sell it can I borrow it to show the upholstery shop
what I need .
Thanks everyone
Fly safe fly low fly slow
John Perry
Kitfox 2 N718PD
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