---------------------------------------------------------- Kitfox-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Tue 03/13/07: 17 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 03:10 AM - Re: contact info for KItfox inc (Dave G.) 2. 04:10 AM - Re: Kitfox fuel tanks (D. Fisher) 3. 07:41 AM - Re: Kitfox fuel tanks (Jerry) 4. 07:43 AM - Re: Kitfox fuel tanks (Jerry) 5. 08:15 AM - Re: Kitfox fuel tanks (D. Fisher) 6. 11:06 AM - Re: Kitfox fuel tanks (kitfoxmike) 7. 11:24 AM - Removing wing tanks from wing () 8. 11:25 AM - condensation (Mike Chaney) 9. 11:38 AM - Re: Kitfox fuel tanks (84KF) 10. 01:04 PM - Re: Kitfox fuel tanks (Lowell Fitt) 11. 01:12 PM - Re: condensation (Lowell Fitt) 12. 01:32 PM - Re: condensation (skyflyte@comcast.net) 13. 01:59 PM - Re: condensation (Bob) 14. 02:31 PM - Re: Re: Kitfox fuel tanks (Barry West) 15. 03:08 PM - Re: Kitfox fuel tanks (Noel Loveys) 16. 04:31 PM - Re: Kitfox fuel tanks (kitfoxmike) 17. 04:32 PM - Re: Re: Kitfox fuel tanks (Noel Loveys) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 03:10:36 AM PST US From: "Dave G." Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: contact info for KItfox inc Sportplane LLC is Info@sportplanellc.com Kitfox LLC is info@kitfoxaircraft.com John McBean is john@kitfoxaircraft.com Debra McBean is debra@kitfoxaircraft.com and finally the telephone is 208 337-5111 and the fax is 208 337-5116 The web page is http://www.kitfoxaircraft.com/contact.htm I have been very inconsistant in which email address I've used and they usually reply very quickly regardless. Do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: kirk hull To: kitfox-list@matronics.com Sent: Monday, March 12, 2007 10:37 PM Subject: Kitfox-List: contact info for KItfox inc I need to price/order some parts from kitfox but I cant find their contact info would any one have their email address. ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 04:10:09 AM PST US From: "D. Fisher" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Kitfox fuel tanks Jerry, If I may ask , what would reason be for changing tanks ? If they are leaking well I understand. If it in fear of ethanol well I hear about issues but I have yet to see it happen. Not to say that is will not happen but time will tell. I did hear that The guy that looks after Avids at airdale.com was working on a plastic type wing tank that might work and would be prefered over metal. Aluminum and ethanol brings on new issues as well. I thiunk some of the early models had metal tanks and they developed leaks due to flexing in the wing but I do stand to be corrected. I read your other message about the tri gear and the Jaberu engine, so I guess that rules out a dash tank? They are decent and hold about 9 gals. I might look at putting a tank 5 to 10 gallon behind my seat as I mentioned before. I have taken an extra 6 IMP gals ( about 8 us gals) bedhind seat in 2 gal containers on x Countrys in the past as well as up to 10 gals in each float. Personally if i has your tanks in wings that did not leak ,I would be in better shape. Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: Jerry To: kitfox-list@matronics.com Sent: Monday, March 12, 2007 10:34 PM Subject: Kitfox-List: Kitfox fuel tanks I have a model 2 with model 4 wings that have the 13 gallon fiberglass tanks, I would like to trade or find a set of the 6.5 gallon metal tanks. Jerry in Idaho vcmi@lewiston.com ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 07:41:29 AM PST US From: "Jerry" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Kitfox fuel tanks I think 14 gallons on board, 6.5, 6.5 and 1.5 is adequate fuel. With 3 gph burn I have 4 hours with reserve. Can you sit in a KF for 4 hour? My age and Kidneys wont allow it. Most of my flighs are1.5 hours or less so why have half full tanks sloshing around and the extra weight. Jerry ----- Original Message ----- From: D. Fisher To: kitfox-list@matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2007 3:09 AM Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Kitfox fuel tanks Jerry, If I may ask , what would reason be for changing tanks ? If they are leaking well I understand. If it in fear of ethanol well I hear about issues but I have yet to see it happen. Not to say that is will not happen but time will tell. I did hear that The guy that looks after Avids at airdale.com was working on a plastic type wing tank that might work and would be prefered over metal. Aluminum and ethanol brings on new issues as well. I thiunk some of the early models had metal tanks and they developed leaks due to flexing in the wing but I do stand to be corrected. I read your other message about the tri gear and the Jaberu engine, so I guess that rules out a dash tank? They are decent and hold about 9 gals. I might look at putting a tank 5 to 10 gallon behind my seat as I mentioned before. I have taken an extra 6 IMP gals ( about 8 us gals) bedhind seat in 2 gal containers on x Countrys in the past as well as up to 10 gals in each float. Personally if i has your tanks in wings that did not leak ,I would be in better shape. Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: Jerry To: kitfox-list@matronics.com Sent: Monday, March 12, 2007 10:34 PM Subject: Kitfox-List: Kitfox fuel tanks I have a model 2 with model 4 wings that have the 13 gallon fiberglass tanks, I would like to trade or find a set of the 6.5 gallon metal tanks. Jerry in Idaho vcmi@lewiston.com href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List">http://www.matron href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- 3/12/2007 7:19 PM ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 07:43:51 AM PST US From: "Jerry" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Kitfox fuel tanks MessageSorry I dont understand the acronym!!! mtow ----- Original Message ----- From: Noel Loveys To: kitfox-list@matronics.com Sent: Monday, March 12, 2007 6:36 PM Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Kitfox fuel tanks I'm curious. What do you have for a MTOW?? Noel -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jerry Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2007 12:05 AM To: kitfox-list@matronics.com Subject: Kitfox-List: Kitfox fuel tanks I have a model 2 with model 4 wings that have the 13 gallon fiberglass tanks, I would like to trade or find a set of the 6.5 gallon metal tanks. Jerry in Idaho vcmi@lewiston.com href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List">http://www.matron href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- 3/12/2007 7:19 PM ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 08:15:12 AM PST US From: "D. Fisher" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Kitfox fuel tanks >> With 3 gph burn I have 4 hours with reserve<< You might need the extra fuel for return trip ? >>Can you sit in a KF for 4 hour? << YES but near limit ........ >>why have half full tanks sloshing around and the extra weight<< I am not sure if the sloshing around is really an issue. Since you havea Kf 2 your weight will be limited to near a solo only plane so you could just use the right tank that is if you sit on left side. eg 500 lb empty weight 200 lb pilot 100 lbs fuel now you at 800 I guess you could add a 150 person . Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: Jerry To: kitfox-list@matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2007 11:39 AM Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Kitfox fuel tanks I think 14 gallons on board, 6.5, 6.5 and 1.5 is adequate fuel. With 3 gph burn I have 4 hours with reserve. Can you sit in a KF for 4 hour? My age and Kidneys wont allow it. Most of my flighs are1.5 hours or less so why have half full tanks sloshing around and the extra weight. Jerry ----- Original Message ----- From: D. Fisher To: kitfox-list@matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2007 3:09 AM Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Kitfox fuel tanks Jerry, If I may ask , what would reason be for changing tanks ? If they are leaking well I understand. If it in fear of ethanol well I hear about issues but I have yet to see it happen. Not to say that is will not happen but time will tell. I did hear that The guy that looks after Avids at airdale.com was working on a plastic type wing tank that might work and would be prefered over metal. Aluminum and ethanol brings on new issues as well. I thiunk some of the early models had metal tanks and they developed leaks due to flexing in the wing but I do stand to be corrected. I read your other message about the tri gear and the Jaberu engine, so I guess that rules out a dash tank? They are decent and hold about 9 gals. I might look at putting a tank 5 to 10 gallon behind my seat as I mentioned before. I have taken an extra 6 IMP gals ( about 8 us gals) bedhind seat in 2 gal containers on x Countrys in the past as well as up to 10 gals in each float. Personally if i has your tanks in wings that did not leak ,I would be in better shape. Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: Jerry To: kitfox-list@matronics.com Sent: Monday, March 12, 2007 10:34 PM Subject: Kitfox-List: Kitfox fuel tanks I have a model 2 with model 4 wings that have the 13 gallon fiberglass tanks, I would like to trade or find a set of the 6.5 gallon metal tanks. Jerry in Idaho vcmi@lewiston.com href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List">http://www.matron href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List">http://www.matron href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- Date: 3/12/2007 7:19 PM ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 11:06:35 AM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Kitfox fuel tanks From: "kitfoxmike" Why do we have extra fuel in our tanks. I have 26, do I need it? Do I fly more than 1.5 at a time, no. Why carry around all that extra fuel? Well for me it's convenience. I fly every day sometimes twice a day. I go to the airport with my motorcycle. I use auto gas. For me it's nice to truck in 10 gal at a time and fill the plane in the evening when I use my truck and then the next couple days I use the motorcycle, or when I run over to the plane during the day with the motorcycle. When I go on a cross country flight I don't have to put in so much of that 100ll high price stuff. I find also that the fox flies better with more weight in turbulance, and the landings are more solid with more weight. For me it's a convenience to have the extra fuel capacity. -------- kitfoxmike model IV, 1200 speedster 912ul Do not archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=100313#100313 ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 11:24:31 AM PST US From: Subject: Kitfox-List: Removing wing tanks from wing Just wondering if anyone has removed fiberglass wing tanks from completed wings. Mostly wondering what chemical can dissolve the adhesive used to hold the tank to the spar (if any) without damaging any of the parts. Can anyone help here? I need to repair a tank and coat the inside while I've got it out. I found coatings in the archives. John Sandt (@ beautiful Death Valley, CA) KF Builder / Ser 7 Sport / Corvair 110HP / under construction ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 11:25:42 AM PST US From: Mike Chaney Subject: Kitfox-List: condensation This is sort of off topic but still related. I'm in a new (to me) metal hanger with concrete floor, Are there any tricks to reduce the condensation that forms on the airplane from time to time? I'm sure this isn't good on the plane. Mike ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 11:38:46 AM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Kitfox fuel tanks From: "84KF" Airspeed..., Take it of leave it. Altitude..., More is better. --- Fuel on a day with a head wind..., Priceless Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=100319#100319 ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 01:04:57 PM PST US From: "Lowell Fitt" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Kitfox fuel tanks This could be an interesting discussion. I have always felt that the airplane someone flys should fit the mission the owner has in mind for his particular needs. I am often asked if I plan on building another airplane. The answer is always no as my Model IV is exactly what I want. I think Jerry has thought it through as it applies to his needs. I will, however offer some thoughts. In the group I fly with there are two Rans airplanes a S6 and a S7. Rans is build in Kansas where there are airports around almost every corner. They have a max fuel of about 20 gallons so these airplanes always dictate the fuel stops and Maximum flight segments as we fly together. Our Kitfoxes are designed more for the wide open spaces of the west where fuel might be a couple of hours away. We will be flying to the Desert Fox Squadron fly-in the end of this month and fuel stops will be dictated by the two Rans. I must say that there have been times when these two guys wished for a few more gallons - head winds, as was mentioned. Then comes the eventual sale. My personal opinion is that just like real estate, consideration should be given to what someone else might want - something to make a sale less problematic. All this said, I fuel periodically. Unlike the old Cessna days where we topped off after every flight, I add fuel as needed and fill up only before a long cross country. I have never found water in the fuel. It is almost always home fueled through a Mr Funnel and condensation doesn't seem to be an issue. Just some thoughts. Lowell ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jerry" Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2007 7:39 AM Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Kitfox fuel tanks I think 14 gallons on board, 6.5, 6.5 and 1.5 is adequate fuel. With 3 gph burn I have 4 hours with reserve. Can you sit in a KF for 4 hour? My age and Kidneys wont allow it. Most of my flighs are1.5 hours or less so why have half full tanks sloshing around and the extra weight. Jerry ----- Original Message ----- From: D. Fisher To: kitfox-list@matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2007 3:09 AM Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Kitfox fuel tanks Jerry, If I may ask , what would reason be for changing tanks ? If they are leaking well I understand. If it in fear of ethanol well I hear about issues but I have yet to see it happen. Not to say that is will not happen but time will tell. I did hear that The guy that looks after Avids at airdale.com was working on a plastic type wing tank that might work and would be prefered over metal. Aluminum and ethanol brings on new issues as well. I thiunk some of the early models had metal tanks and they developed leaks due to flexing in the wing but I do stand to be corrected. I read your other message about the tri gear and the Jaberu engine, so I guess that rules out a dash tank? They are decent and hold about 9 gals. I might look at putting a tank 5 to 10 gallon behind my seat as I mentioned before. I have taken an extra 6 IMP gals ( about 8 us gals) bedhind seat in 2 gal containers on x Countrys in the past as well as up to 10 gals in each float. Personally if i has your tanks in wings that did not leak ,I would be in better shape. Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: Jerry To: kitfox-list@matronics.com Sent: Monday, March 12, 2007 10:34 PM Subject: Kitfox-List: Kitfox fuel tanks I have a model 2 with model 4 wings that have the 13 gallon fiberglass tanks, I would like to trade or find a set of the 6.5 gallon metal tanks. Jerry in Idaho vcmi@lewiston.com href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List">http://www.matronhref="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ 3/12/2007 7:19 PM ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 01:12:03 PM PST US From: "Lowell Fitt" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: condensation Mike, Here we would find that with even the ligtest rain we would get moisture on the top of the hangar concrete sufficient to make foorprints. I was in the process of covering the floor with vinyl tile and they would bubble up with the efflorescense from the concrete. I got some RadonSeal which is a product that is used to seal basements and applied it as recommended and that stuff works. The tile is flat after three or four years and no more tracking wet footprints from those areas not yet tiled. This stuff will reduce the humidity of the hangar by producing a barrier resisting the percolation of moisture through the concrete Good Stuff! Lowell ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Chaney" Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2007 10:23 AM Subject: Kitfox-List: condensation > This is sort of off topic but still related. > > I'm in a new (to me) metal hanger with concrete floor, Are there any > tricks > to reduce the condensation that forms on the airplane from time to time? > I'm sure this isn't good on the plane. > > Mike > ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 01:32:17 PM PST US From: skyflyte@comcast.net Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: condensation Is the roof of your hangar insulated? My airport has enclosed hangars, some with insulated roofs and some without; those without have far more condensation problems, it actually rains inside the hangar! Mine is insulated, but if we have a very cold night in the spring, followed by a nice warm day, opening the hangar door will result in immediate condensation. Mike -------------- Original message -------------- From: Mike Chaney This is sort of off topic but still related. I'm in a new (to me) metal hanger with concrete floor, Are there any tricks to reduce the condensation that forms on the airplane from time to time? I'm sure this isn't good on the plane. Mike
Is the roof of your hangar insulated?  My airport has enclosed hangars, some with insulated roofs and some without; those without have far more condensation problems, it actually rains inside the hangar!  Mine is insulated, but if we have a very cold night in the spring, followed by a nice warm day, opening the hangar door will result in immediate condensation.
Mike
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Mike Chaney <mdps_mc@swoca.net>
This is sort of off topic but still related.
 
I'm in a new (to me) metal hanger with concrete floor,  Are there any tricks to reduce the condensation that forms on the airplane from time to time?  I'm sure this isn't good on the plane. 
 
Mike
________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 01:59:28 PM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: condensation From: "Bob" Try putting an fan on a timer, so it goes on when the temperature goes down at sunset and shuts off a while later. If you can't find one that goes back and forth, aim it diagonally upward to minimize the warm moist air at the cold metal roof. Bob -------- Remember that internet advice may only be worth what you pay. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=100347#100347 ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 02:31:04 PM PST US From: "Barry West" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Kitfox fuel tanks I agree, the extra weight is not all bad, it helps a little with the bumps. Yes, I would like to haul gas in as seldom as possible. Barry Do not archive. ----- Original Message ----- From: "kitfoxmike" Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2007 1:06 PM Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Kitfox fuel tanks > > Why do we have extra fuel in our tanks. I have 26, do I need it? Do I > fly more than 1.5 at a time, no. Why carry around all that extra fuel? > Well for me it's convenience. I fly every day sometimes twice a day. I > go to the airport with my motorcycle. I use auto gas. For me it's nice to > truck in 10 gal at a time and fill the plane in the evening when I use my > truck and then the next couple days I use the motorcycle, or when I run > over to the plane during the day with the motorcycle. When I go on a > cross country flight I don't have to put in so much of that 100ll high > price stuff. I find also that the fox flies better with more weight in > turbulance, and the landings are more solid with more weight. For me it's > a convenience to have the extra fuel capacity. > > -------- > kitfoxmike > model IV, 1200 > speedster > 912ul > Do not archive > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=100313#100313 > > > ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 03:08:06 PM PST US From: "Noel Loveys" Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Kitfox fuel tanks Maximum Take Off Weight. I've been following the posts on this matter and to an extent I can agree with what Dave has been saying. It's better to have the extra capacity and not use it than to have use for it and not have it. After all there is no rule that says you have to fill everything to the gunwales. Having said that if you decide to sell the left 13 Gal tank let me know I might be interested. Installing it would make a good project for next winter. (Working in a very small garage.) Noel -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jerry Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2007 1:12 PM Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Kitfox fuel tanks Sorry I dont understand the acronym!!! mtow ----- Original Message ----- From: Noel Loveys Sent: Monday, March 12, 2007 6:36 PM Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Kitfox fuel tanks I'm curious. What do you have for a MTOW?? Noel -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jerry Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2007 12:05 AM Subject: Kitfox-List: Kitfox fuel tanks I have a model 2 with model 4 wings that have the 13 gallon fiberglass tanks, I would like to trade or find a set of the 6.5 gallon metal tanks. Jerry in Idaho vcmi@lewiston.com href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List">http://www.matron href "http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List">http://www.matron href "http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com _____ ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 04:31:19 PM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Kitfox fuel tanks From: "kitfoxmike" personally, I hate to do work. I would hate to go to smaller tanks when I have the bigger. Sure most the time I don't need the bigger, during the winter months I only use one tank. To keep the other tank good and for reserve I put in 5 gal or less of 100LL and just use the left side, I don't fill that all the way, just half generally. Now that gives me some light weight and combined with the chilly air I have some fantastic takeoffs, really fun, gives me the motivation to go out in 20degree weather. As far as the only airplane for me, nope, building an RV7A for my cross country future, I hate taking days to get somewhere when I can do it in a mater of hours. I'm a working boy still and don't have the time to trek across the united states doing 90kts. I still plan on keeping the fox and if wheels end up being boring I'll put the floats on and open a new world. -------- kitfoxmike model IV, 1200 speedster 912ul Do not archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=100370#100370 ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 04:32:23 PM PST US From: "Noel Loveys" Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re: Kitfox fuel tanks I can shoe horn in about 20 gal U.S. and I expect all but maybe a half Gal. is usable. I certainly would like to have an extra 6.5 Gal for the longer trips.. As it is if I expect to be going any distance I carry an extra 7.5 Imp gal in my right float. If I really need it all I have to do is pitch and transfer the gas to my wing tank. I keep the other float clean of gas for carrying rope, float pump, fishing gear and of course the one that never got away :-) We have waninish (sp?)(land locked salmon) here that are almost as good eating as Atlantic Salmon. I only catch what I intend to eat that day. Noel > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of > Barry West > Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2007 7:03 PM > To: kitfox-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Kitfox fuel tanks > > > > I agree, the extra weight is not all bad, it helps a little > with the bumps. > Yes, I would like to haul gas in as seldom as possible. > > Barry > > Do not archive. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "kitfoxmike" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2007 1:06 PM > Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Kitfox fuel tanks > > > > > > > Why do we have extra fuel in our tanks. I have 26, do I > need it? Do I > > fly more than 1.5 at a time, no. Why carry around all that > extra fuel? > > Well for me it's convenience. I fly every day sometimes > twice a day. I > > go to the airport with my motorcycle. I use auto gas. For > me it's nice to > > truck in 10 gal at a time and fill the plane in the evening > when I use my > > truck and then the next couple days I use the motorcycle, > or when I run > > over to the plane during the day with the motorcycle. When > I go on a > > cross country flight I don't have to put in so much of that > 100ll high > > price stuff. I find also that the fox flies better with > more weight in > > turbulance, and the landings are more solid with more > weight. For me it's > > a convenience to have the extra fuel capacity. > > > > -------- > > kitfoxmike > > model IV, 1200 > > speedster > > 912ul > > Do not archive > > > > > > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=100313#100313 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message kitfox-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Kitfox-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/kitfox-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/kitfox-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.