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     1. 12:23 AM - Re: condensation (Michael Gibbs)
     2. 12:50 AM - Re: Good bye for a while. (QSS)
     3. 04:05 AM - Good bye for a while. (fox5flyer)
     4. 04:16 AM - Re: Good bye for a while. (D. Fisher)
     5. 04:26 AM - Re: condensation (D. Fisher)
     6. 07:06 AM - Re: Good bye for a while. (kitfoxmike)
     7. 07:08 AM - Re: Removing wing tanks from wing (Tim Vader)
     8. 07:13 AM - Re: Re: Good bye for a while. (D. Fisher)
     9. 07:38 AM - Re: Re: Kitfox fuel tanks (Jerry)
    10. 07:42 AM - Re: condensation (Lowell Fitt)
    11. 08:44 AM - Re: condensation (D. Fisher)
    12. 09:19 AM - Re: Removing wing tanks from wing (Rexinator)
    13. 09:35 AM - Re: condensation (84KF)
    14. 09:55 AM - Re: Kitfox fuel tanks (84KF)
    15. 10:32 AM - I'm Back on the list (Hays Jeff)
    16. 11:27 AM - Re: I'm Back on the list (RAY Gignac)
    17. 11:49 AM - Re: I'm Back on the list (84KF)
    18. 12:13 PM - Re: Re: condensation (Michel Verheughe)
    19. 02:41 PM - Matco parts. (QSS)
    20. 03:30 PM - Matco parts (QSS)
    21. 04:41 PM - Re: Matco parts (fox5flyer)
    22. 07:29 PM - First Flight (David Estapa)
    23. 08:15 PM - Re: First Flight (john perry)
    24. 08:19 PM - Re: First Flight (dcsfoto)
    25. 08:43 PM - Re: I'm Back on the list (dcsfoto)
    26. 09:27 PM - Re: contact info for KItfox inc (Larry/Cathy Boone)
 
 
 
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| Subject:  | Re: condensation | 
      
      
      Mike sez:
      
      >Are there any tricks to reduce the condensation that forms on the 
      >airplane from time to time?
      
      Sure, move to Arizona!  :-)
      
      Mike G.
      N728KF
      
      Do not archive.
      
      
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| Subject:  | Re: Good bye for a while. | 
      
      G'day Deke, thanks for the support with my reluctant decision to sell 
      the fox. The response from so many foxers was totally unexpected but 
      certainly in keeping with this great bunch of blokes. I have decided to 
      take your suggestion and fold her up for a while as I consider wether Im 
      completely nuts or just a bit of a wooze (Australian for Drama Queen). 
      In the mean time Im going to do bits a pieces to her to keep her in 
      flying condition. One of those jobs will be to take the Matco master 
      brake cylinders apart as they are starting to weep a little. A problem I 
      have however is that because we are on the bottom of the world, no one 
      has ever heard of Matco. As such would it be possible for you to do me 
      big favour and locate the overhaul kit for the master cylinders if I 
      discover there needed when I pull them apart. I know you are in the bush 
      some where and may not be in a position to help but maybe you know 
      someone who can. Im only pre-empting an overhaul at this stage and would 
      give you the correct info for whats needed. Hows the snow situation. Are 
      you still digging yourself out or has the house disappeared forever. I 
      sometimes watch CNN and on the weather the other night they said storms 
      were creating problems across a wide area of the Mid USA.and I thought 
      of you at the time. No, Im not going to rub it in and tell you what the 
      temp here is because that would be cruel and not in the spirit of 
      friendship so I'll just say Its time to get up and put the 
      air-conditioned on and get a cold beer.
      
      Cheers for now.
      Graeme Toft
      Ph: 07 49397011
      Mob: 0411476527
        ----- Original Message ----- 
        From: fox5flyer 
        To: kitfox-list@matronics.com 
        Sent: Wednesday, February 28, 2007 11:41 PM
        Subject: Kitfox-List: Good bye for a while.
      
      
        Graeme, I'm very sorry to hear about your decision, but I understand 
      how you feel.  I'm sure that anyone who has experienced what you have -- 
      and survived -- tends to look at the rest of their life in a different 
      light.  I haven't experienced it myself so I can't say how I'd react to 
      it, but I may not be any different.  Perhaps it would be better to just 
      fold it up and park the airplane somewhere safe for awhile then just 
      move on with your life.  Later, only you'll know when, you can reassess 
      how you feel about it then make a firm decision.  Whatever you decide I 
      wish you the best and when you check in here occasionally, don't forget 
      to say hello and let us know how things are going down under.
        Best of luck to you,
        Deke Morisse
        List Admin
      
        ----- Original Message ----- 
          From: QSS 
          To: kitfox-list@matronics.com 
          Sent: Tuesday, February 27, 2007 7:41 PM
          Subject: X-IMail-SPAM-Premium Kitfox-List: Good bye for a while.
      
      
          Hi Guys, I have unfortunately come to a cross roads in my flying and 
      have after much thought decided to sell my fox. I have been unable to 
      come to terms with the crash or for that matter get back into my comfort 
      zone. I have always had a passion for flying and to own my own aircraft 
      has been a dream come true but the enjoyment has now been replaced by 
      negative thoughts and  an idle aircraft. The pity is that I know Im a 
      good pilot and that the rebuild has resulted in a strong and reliable 
      aircraft. Its just the demon on my shoulder wont allow me to accept it. 
      I will miss the friendly banter and good natured shots across the bow 
      that have resulted from the many topics discussed and encourage you all 
      to continue in this manner. The list administrators should be proud of 
      their flock and the respect shown for each others opinions. Thanks Deke, 
      your a good bloke and even handed moderator. Thanks you also Mat for 
      your tireless work and for providing a resource that allows us all to 
      tell lies about our flying prowess and our beautiful birds. To all who 
      help with encouragement and parts during my rebuild, my sincere thanks 
      because without you my fox would still be sitting in the back paddock. I 
      will drop in from time to time to see whats being discussed and possibly 
      just to say hi. I never thought I would say it but, "Mat, please remove 
      me from the list".  
      
          Cheers to all
      
          Graeme 
      
      
      href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List">http://www.matron
      href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
      
      
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      21/02/2007 3:19 PM
      
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| Subject:  | Good bye for a while. | 
      
      G'day Graeme.  You're welcome and I'm glad you've reconsidered your 
      decision.  At the very least give it some time.
      As for Matco, you're right, I'm also in the bush in northeast Michigan 
      and might as well be on the other side of the world, but I'll help where 
      I can.  As I recall, Matco has been good to deal with and are responsive 
      to their customers.  I believe there are several models of their brakes 
      so getting the correct information will be vital in obtaining the 
      correct overhaul kit.  Perhaps someone else on the list can provide you 
      with the correct part numbers.
      Good luck.
      Deke
      
      Below are some links that might help for now.  The second one is Matco's 
      site and it's a pretty good one.  They also list their contact info.
      
      http://aircraftspruce.com/menus/search.php
      http://www.matcomfg.com/catalog/index.php?file=catalog&prod_pcategory=
      66053&clist=0,59990,65496,66053&uid=2192&gpoid
        ----- Original Message ----- 
        From: QSS 
        To: kitfox-list@matronics.com 
        Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2007 2:03 AM
        Subject: X-IMail-SPAM-Premium Re: Kitfox-List: Good bye for a while.
      
      
        G'day Deke, thanks for the support with my reluctant decision to sell 
      the fox. The response from so many foxers was totally unexpected but 
      certainly in keeping with this great bunch of blokes. I have decided to 
      take your suggestion and fold her up for a while as I consider wether Im 
      completely nuts or just a bit of a wooze (Australian for Drama Queen). 
      In the mean time Im going to do bits a pieces to her to keep her in 
      flying condition. One of those jobs will be to take the Matco master 
      brake cylinders apart as they are starting to weep a little. A problem I 
      have however is that because we are on the bottom of the world, no one 
      has ever heard of Matco. As such would it be possible for you to do me 
      big favour and locate the overhaul kit for the master cylinders if I 
      discover there needed when I pull them apart. I know you are in the bush 
      some where and may not be in a position to help but maybe you know 
      someone who can. Im only pre-empting an overhaul at this stage and would 
      give you the correct info for whats needed. Hows the snow situation. Are 
      you still digging yourself out or has the house disappeared forever. I 
      sometimes watch CNN and on the weather the other night they said storms 
      were creating problems across a wide area of the Mid USA.and I thought 
      of you at the time. No, Im not going to rub it in and tell you what the 
      temp here is because that would be cruel and not in the spirit of 
      friendship so I'll just say Its time to get up and put the 
      air-conditioned on and get a cold beer.
      
        Cheers for now.
        Graeme Toft
        Ph: 07 49397011
        Mob: 0411476527
          ----- Original Message ----- 
          From: fox5flyer 
          To: kitfox-list@matronics.com 
          Sent: Wednesday, February 28, 2007 11:41 PM
          Subject: Kitfox-List: Good bye for a while.
      
      
          Graeme, I'm very sorry to hear about your decision, but I understand 
      how you feel.  I'm sure that anyone who has experienced what you have -- 
      and survived -- tends to look at the rest of their life in a different 
      light.  I haven't experienced it myself so I can't say how I'd react to 
      it, but I may not be any different.  Perhaps it would be better to just 
      fold it up and park the airplane somewhere safe for awhile then just 
      move on with your life.  Later, only you'll know when, you can reassess 
      how you feel about it then make a firm decision.  Whatever you decide I 
      wish you the best and when you check in here occasionally, don't forget 
      to say hello and let us know how things are going down under.
          Best of luck to you,
          Deke Morisse
          List Admin
      
          ----- Original Message ----- 
            From: QSS 
            To: kitfox-list@matronics.com 
            Sent: Tuesday, February 27, 2007 7:41 PM
            Subject: X-IMail-SPAM-Premium Kitfox-List: Good bye for a while.
      
      
            Hi Guys, I have unfortunately come to a cross roads in my flying 
      and have after much thought decided to sell my fox. I have been unable 
      to come to terms with the crash or for that matter get back into my 
      comfort zone. I have always had a passion for flying and to own my own 
      aircraft has been a dream come true but the enjoyment has now been 
      replaced by negative thoughts and  an idle aircraft. The pity is that I 
      know Im a good pilot and that the rebuild has resulted in a strong and 
      reliable aircraft. Its just the demon on my shoulder wont allow me to 
      accept it. I will miss the friendly banter and good natured shots across 
      the bow that have resulted from the many topics discussed and encourage 
      you all to continue in this manner. The list administrators should be 
      proud of their flock and the respect shown for each others opinions. 
      Thanks Deke, your a good bloke and even handed moderator. Thanks you 
      also Mat for your tireless work and for providing a resource that allows 
      us all to tell lies about our flying prowess and our beautiful birds. To 
      all who help with encouragement and parts during my rebuild, my sincere 
      thanks because without you my fox would still be sitting in the back 
      paddock. I will drop in from time to time to see whats being discussed 
      and possibly just to say hi. I never thought I would say it but, "Mat, 
      please remove me from the list".  
      
            Cheers to all
      
            Graeme 
      
      
      href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List">http://www.matron
      href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
      
      
      href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List">http://www.matron
      href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
      
      
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          Date: 21/02/2007 3:19 PM
      
      
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| Subject:  | Re: Good bye for a while. | 
      
      Graeme,
      
      Contact http://www.matcomfg.com/  , I just got in master kits from them. 
       I think the cost is less than 10$ each and they ship overnight.   If i 
      call there i think it is George you need to talk to and he is very well 
      versed in Kitfox and Avids. 
      
      I usually do over phone but I am sure you could do via email. 
      
      
      Dave
      
      
        ----- Original Message ----- 
        From: QSS 
        To: kitfox-list@matronics.com 
        Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2007 3:03 AM
        Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Good bye for a while.
      
      
        G'day Deke, thanks for the support with my reluctant decision to sell 
      the fox. The response from so many foxers was totally unexpected but 
      certainly in keeping with this great bunch of blokes. I have decided to 
      take your suggestion and fold her up for a while as I consider wether Im 
      completely nuts or just a bit of a wooze (Australian for Drama Queen). 
      In the mean time Im going to do bits a pieces to her to keep her in 
      flying condition. One of those jobs will be to take the Matco master 
      brake cylinders apart as they are starting to weep a little. A problem I 
      have however is that because we are on the bottom of the world, no one 
      has ever heard of Matco. As such would it be possible for you to do me 
      big favour and locate the overhaul kit for the master cylinders if I 
      discover there needed when I pull them apart. I know you are in the bush 
      some where and may not be in a position to help but maybe you know 
      someone who can. Im only pre-empting an overhaul at this stage and would 
      give you the correct info for whats needed. Hows the snow situation. Are 
      you still digging yourself out or has the house disappeared forever. I 
      sometimes watch CNN and on the weather the other night they said storms 
      were creating problems across a wide area of the Mid USA.and I thought 
      of you at the time. No, Im not going to rub it in and tell you what the 
      temp here is because that would be cruel and not in the spirit of 
      friendship so I'll just say Its time to get up and put the 
      air-conditioned on and get a cold beer.
      
        Cheers for now.
        Graeme Toft
        Ph: 07 49397011
        Mob: 0411476527
          ----- Original Message ----- 
          From: fox5flyer 
          To: kitfox-list@matronics.com 
          Sent: Wednesday, February 28, 2007 11:41 PM
          Subject: Kitfox-List: Good bye for a while.
      
      
          Graeme, I'm very sorry to hear about your decision, but I understand 
      how you feel.  I'm sure that anyone who has experienced what you have -- 
      and survived -- tends to look at the rest of their life in a different 
      light.  I haven't experienced it myself so I can't say how I'd react to 
      it, but I may not be any different.  Perhaps it would be better to just 
      fold it up and park the airplane somewhere safe for awhile then just 
      move on with your life.  Later, only you'll know when, you can reassess 
      how you feel about it then make a firm decision.  Whatever you decide I 
      wish you the best and when you check in here occasionally, don't forget 
      to say hello and let us know how things are going down under.
          Best of luck to you,
          Deke Morisse
          List Admin
      
          ----- Original Message ----- 
            From: QSS 
            To: kitfox-list@matronics.com 
            Sent: Tuesday, February 27, 2007 7:41 PM
            Subject: X-IMail-SPAM-Premium Kitfox-List: Good bye for a while.
      
      
            Hi Guys, I have unfortunately come to a cross roads in my flying 
      and have after much thought decided to sell my fox. I have been unable 
      to come to terms with the crash or for that matter get back into my 
      comfort zone. I have always had a passion for flying and to own my own 
      aircraft has been a dream come true but the enjoyment has now been 
      replaced by negative thoughts and  an idle aircraft. The pity is that I 
      know Im a good pilot and that the rebuild has resulted in a strong and 
      reliable aircraft. Its just the demon on my shoulder wont allow me to 
      accept it. I will miss the friendly banter and good natured shots across 
      the bow that have resulted from the many topics discussed and encourage 
      you all to continue in this manner. The list administrators should be 
      proud of their flock and the respect shown for each others opinions. 
      Thanks Deke, your a good bloke and even handed moderator. Thanks you 
      also Mat for your tireless work and for providing a resource that allows 
      us all to tell lies about our flying prowess and our beautiful birds. To 
      all who help with encouragement and parts during my rebuild, my sincere 
      thanks because without you my fox would still be sitting in the back 
      paddock. I will drop in from time to time to see whats being discussed 
      and possibly just to say hi. I never thought I would say it but, "Mat, 
      please remove me from the list".  
      
            Cheers to all
      
            Graeme 
      
      
      href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List">http://www.matron
      href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
      
      
      href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List">http://www.matron
      href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
      
      
      -------------------------------------------------------------------------
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          Date: 21/02/2007 3:19 PM
      
      
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| Subject:  | Re: condensation | 
      
      Depends on your location alot but an unheated hanger you can do very 
      little to stop this. Even ventilation will help but you got a cold damp 
      floor about 40Fto 50F  or so and when air outside become warm and moist 
      it will condensation somewhere. Everything in hangar will be like floor  
      and the moist air will condensate on it.
      
      One thing  that might help is get the inside insulated with spray foam, 
      we have done that at several buildings and when they not heated they 
      never go below freezing inside even with temps at - 30F outside.  The 
      Concrete floor is the key as it keeps the floor at ground temps of  40F 
      or so.  Now if is about 2$ a sqare foot here for 3 inch thick and it is 
      R7 per inch and a total vapour barrier.  We hae doen our house in it as 
      well about 75% now as we remodel it .  After you use this stuff you will 
      wonder why anyone ever uses fiberglas batt insulation.  Once foamed you 
      might be able to heat it to keep it dry inside.
      
      It is basically just like Dew. 
      
      
      Dave
        ----- Original Message ----- 
        From: Mike Chaney 
        To: Kitfox (E-mail) 
        Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2007 2:23 PM
        Subject: Kitfox-List: condensation
      
      
        This is sort of off topic but still related.
      
        I'm in a new (to me) metal hanger with concrete floor,  Are there any 
      tricks to reduce the condensation that forms on the airplane from time 
      to time?  I'm sure this isn't good on the plane.  
      
        Mike
      
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| Subject:  | Re: Good bye for a while. | 
      
      
      Watch out on those masters, if you put too much oil in them they will leak out
      the top.  I think about a half inch from the top is recommended.  Might want to
      try that first.  Take a piece of wire and remove the vent and stick it in there
      and determine the level.
      
      --------
      kitfoxmike
      model IV, 1200
      speedster
      912ul
      Do not archive
      
      
      Read this topic online here:
      
      http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=100455#100455
      
      
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| Subject:  | Re: Removing wing tanks from wing | 
      
      
          I don't know of any chemical that will dissolve the silicone that is 
      used to hold the fuel tanks in place.  I unfortunately had to remove both 
      tanks from the wings.  What I did was to turn the wing upside down and using 
      an exacto knife I carefully cut out the silicone from the rear spar.  Use 
      great caution here so as not to damage the spar.  You may be able to use 
      some knotted fishing line to cut the silicone like a band saw once you get 
      enough of a gap between the spar and fuel tank.  Remove the silicone that 
      you can from the bottom of the front spar-fuel tank gap.  Once the rear spar 
      is loose rotate the tank from the rear spar to tear the remaining silicon 
      from the front spar-tank gap.  Then lots of hand work cleaning off the 
      remaining silicone that is stuck to the tank and spars.
      
      Tim Vader
      Classic IV
      ----- Original Message ----- 
      From: <josandt@verizon.net>
      Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2007 12:18 PM
      Subject: Kitfox-List: Removing wing tanks from wing
      
      
      >
      > Just wondering if anyone has removed fiberglass wing tanks from completed 
      > wings. Mostly wondering what chemical can dissolve the adhesive used to 
      > hold the tank to the spar (if any) without damaging any of the parts. Can 
      > anyone help here? I need to repair a tank and coat the inside while I've 
      > got it out. I found coatings in the archives.    John Sandt (@ beautiful 
      > Death Valley, CA)
      >
      > KF Builder / Ser 7 Sport / Corvair 110HP / under construction
      >
      >
      > -- 
      > 7:19 PM
      >
      > 
      
      
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| Subject:  | Re: Good bye for a while. | 
      
      
      Another thing too is make sure your calipers are actually sliding . If not 
      your braking will not be right as only the piston side will be working and 
      you will have to pump up the pedal to get it to work.
      
      Dave
      
      
      ----- Original Message ----- 
      From: "kitfoxmike" <customtrans@qwest.net>
      Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2007 10:05 AM
      Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Good bye for a while.
      
      
      >
      > Watch out on those masters, if you put too much oil in them they will leak 
      > out the top.  I think about a half inch from the top is recommended. 
      > Might want to try that first.  Take a piece of wire and remove the vent 
      > and stick it in there and determine the level.
      >
      > --------
      > kitfoxmike
      > model IV, 1200
      > speedster
      > 912ul
      > Do not archive
      >
      >
      > Read this topic online here:
      >
      > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=100455#100455
      >
      >
      > 
      
      
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| Subject:  | Re: Kitfox fuel tanks | 
      
      
      There are a few good ones out there who provide good technical advice on our 
      airplanes, but after 50 years and 12,000 hours of flying (accident free) I 
      really dont need lessons on Airspeed, Altitude, or Fuel management.  I just 
      really need the fuel tanks that fit my style of flying Here in the Idaho 
      back country.  Priceless is clearing the tree tops at the end of an 800 ft 
      strip in the back country.  Too much fuel on board might be the difference 
      between treetops for lunch or fresh trout.
      ----- Original Message ----- 
      From: "84KF" <stevebenesh@comcast.net>
      Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2007 10:38 AM
      Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Kitfox fuel tanks
      
      
      >
      > Airspeed...,  Take it of leave it.
      >  Altitude...,  More is better.  ---
      >
      > Fuel on a day with a head wind..., Priceless
      >
      >
      > Read this topic online here:
      >
      > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=100319#100319
      >
      >
      > -- 
      > 7:19 PM
      >
      > 
      
      
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| Subject:  | Re: condensation | 
      
      
      The concrete sealer I used was Radon Shield.  I checked my records. No more 
      cold "damp" floor - just cold.
      
      Lowell
      ----- Original Message ----- 
      From: "D. Fisher" <d@cfisher.com>
      Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2007 3:26 AM
      Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: condensation
      
      
      Depends on your location alot but an unheated hanger you can do very little 
      to stop this. Even ventilation will help but you got a cold damp floor about 
      40Fto 50F  or so and when air outside become warm and moist it will 
      condensation somewhere. Everything in hangar will be like floor  and the 
      moist air will condensate on it.
      
      One thing  that might help is get the inside insulated with spray foam, we 
      have done that at several buildings and when they not heated they never go 
      below freezing inside even with temps at - 30F outside.  The Concrete floor 
      is the key as it keeps the floor at ground temps of  40F or so.  Now if is 
      about 2$ a sqare foot here for 3 inch thick and it is R7 per inch and a 
      total vapour barrier.  We hae doen our house in it as well about 75% now as 
      we remodel it .  After you use this stuff you will wonder why anyone ever 
      uses fiberglas batt insulation.  Once foamed you might be able to heat it to 
      keep it dry inside.
      
      It is basically just like Dew.
      
      
      Dave
        ----- Original Message ----- 
        From: Mike Chaney
        To: Kitfox (E-mail)
        Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2007 2:23 PM
        Subject: Kitfox-List: condensation
      
      
        This is sort of off topic but still related.
      
        I'm in a new (to me) metal hanger with concrete floor,  Are there any 
      tricks to reduce the condensation that forms on the airplane from time to 
      time?  I'm sure this isn't good on the plane.
      
        Mike 
      
      
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| Subject:  | Re: condensation | 
      
      
      Lowell , thast might work in your climate but here wher we have temps of -40 
      t0  + 100F and high humidty I think in spring you would still get it .
      I think what you will find is that  the cold hangar will have th content 
      cold too ,plane tools  etc...... and when the warm humidty comes it wil 
      condensate on everything that is cold.   It like whe nyou wear your glasses 
      outside ansd come into  house adn they fog up .
      
      Make sense ?
      
      I used something like that a few year ago on a house we added a second story 
      to..........  it was a rubberized type of paint we did the block foundation 
      in and it did the same thing plus added some insualtion value. worked real 
      well on a home that had heating. It was a bout 250 to 300$ for  5 gal pail 
      if i recall .
      
      
      Dave
      
      
      ----- Original Message ----- 
      From: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net>
      Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2007 10:41 AM
      Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: condensation
      
      
      >
      > The concrete sealer I used was Radon Shield.  I checked my records. No 
      > more cold "damp" floor - just cold.
      >
      > Lowell
      > ----- Original Message ----- 
      > From: "D. Fisher" <d@cfisher.com>
      > To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
      > Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2007 3:26 AM
      > Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: condensation
      >
      >
      > Depends on your location alot but an unheated hanger you can do very 
      > little to stop this. Even ventilation will help but you got a cold damp 
      > floor about 40Fto 50F  or so and when air outside become warm and moist it 
      > will condensation somewhere. Everything in hangar will be like floor  and 
      > the moist air will condensate on it.
      >
      > One thing  that might help is get the inside insulated with spray foam, we 
      > have done that at several buildings and when they not heated they never go 
      > below freezing inside even with temps at - 30F outside.  The Concrete 
      > floor is the key as it keeps the floor at ground temps of  40F or so.  Now 
      > if is about 2$ a sqare foot here for 3 inch thick and it is R7 per inch 
      > and a total vapour barrier.  We hae doen our house in it as well about 75% 
      > now as we remodel it .  After you use this stuff you will wonder why 
      > anyone ever uses fiberglas batt insulation.  Once foamed you might be able 
      > to heat it to keep it dry inside.
      >
      > It is basically just like Dew.
      >
      >
      > Dave
      >  ----- Original Message ----- 
      >  From: Mike Chaney
      >  To: Kitfox (E-mail)
      >  Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2007 2:23 PM
      >  Subject: Kitfox-List: condensation
      >
      >
      >  This is sort of off topic but still related.
      >
      >  I'm in a new (to me) metal hanger with concrete floor,  Are there any 
      > tricks to reduce the condensation that forms on the airplane from time to 
      > time?  I'm sure this isn't good on the plane.
      >
      >  Mike
      >
      >
      > 
      
      
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| Subject:  | Re: Removing wing tanks from wing | 
      
      
      I had to remove a 13 gal fiberglass wing tank from a KF2 wing and it was 
      held in place with stuff that seemed almost ike rubber cement to me. It 
      was probably silicone adhesive, butt it didn't adhere to surfaces so 
      much that it required any more than rolling it off onto itself. It was 
      easy to remove perhaps because of a corrosive resistant coating on the 
      spars (varnish or polyurethane?). Maybe the builder of my KF had learned 
      of a method to allow for easy removal. You indicate that you may have a 
      more agressive adhesive. Let us know what you find.
      
      Rex
      Colorado
      
      josandt@verizon.net wrote:
      
      >
      >Just wondering if anyone has removed fiberglass wing tanks from completed wings.
      Mostly wondering what chemical can dissolve the adhesive used to hold the tank
      to the spar (if any) without damaging any of the parts. Can anyone help here?
      I need to repair a tank and coat the inside while I've got it out. I found
      coatings in the archives.    John Sandt (@ beautiful Death Valley, CA)
      >
      >KF Builder / Ser 7 Sport / Corvair 110HP / under construction
      >
      >
      >  
      >
      
      
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| Subject:  | Re: condensation | 
      
      
      I have worked in many hangers, both old and new and it always seemed to me (IMOH
      and all that stuff...) that proper ventilation is a way to supplement floor
      coatings and help to keep humidity down. Much like a  paint booth, a outflow up
      high, and inflow down low. If the air gets circulated and recycled the potential
      for moisture decreases. (yes?) (Dew Point?) Note that most (rented) new steel
      hangers are quite air tight, but do not have exhaust fan or hoods.
      
      Just my thought on the subject. blast away.
      Steve
      
      
      Read this topic online here:
      
      http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=100499#100499
      
      
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| Subject:  | Re: Kitfox fuel tanks | 
      
      
      I stand by by statement. 
      "Fuel on a day with a head wind..., Priceless"
      
      I don't understand yours.
      
      
      Read this topic online here:
      
      http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=100506#100506
      
      
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| Subject:  | I'm Back on the list | 
      
      
      Hi All -
      
      I'm back on the list after almost 4 years.Currently building a Zenith CH801 and
      still flying N85AE (Series 5, IO-240B).
      
      My old website is long gone, but most of the stuff from it exists on:
      
      http://www.aselia.com
      
      Just as an opening comment, I'd like to mention that the Kreme in my 
      tanks is still not peeling off. My un-sloshed spars have not sheared off yet.
      My elevator still has plenty of authority despite my plane being nose heavy, and
      I have not yet gap sealed my elevator. Think that covers all the usual list
      subjects, right? :) 
      
      Oh, and the question on my mind for a long time - Laura, and Danny did Skystar
      pay you guys to say -  "anybody can build one of these planes with simple hand
      tools", and "I love going up at 2000 fpm" :)
      
      Regards,
      Jeff Hays
      
      
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| Subject:  | I'm Back on the list | 
      
      
      
      Nice to see you back, my friend just purchased a CH701 flys great! except I 
      will have to slow way down for him to keep up with me in my Model IV with a 
      912uls!!
      
      Ray
      
      >From: Hays Jeff <n85ae@yahoo.com>
      >To: kitfox <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
      >Subject: Kitfox-List: I'm Back on the list
      >Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2007 10:31:45 -0700 (PDT)
      >
      >
      >Hi All -
      >
      >I'm back on the list after almost 4 years.Currently building a Zenith CH801 
      >and still flying N85AE (Series 5, IO-240B).
      >
      >My old website is long gone, but most of the stuff from it exists on:
      >
      >http://www.aselia.com
      >
      >Just as an opening comment, I'd like to mention that the Kreme in my
      >tanks is still not peeling off. My un-sloshed spars have not sheared off 
      >yet.
      >My elevator still has plenty of authority despite my plane being nose 
      >heavy, and I have not yet gap sealed my elevator. Think that covers all the 
      >usual list subjects, right? :)
      >
      >Oh, and the question on my mind for a long time - Laura, and Danny did 
      >Skystar pay you guys to say -  "anybody can build one of these planes with 
      >simple hand tools", and "I love going up at 2000 fpm" :)
      >
      >Regards,
      >Jeff Hays
      >
      >
      
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| Subject:  | Re: I'm Back on the list | 
      
      
      Welcome (back) to Dodge City 'pardner...    (works best with a John Wayne accent)
      
      Steve
      
      
      Read this topic online here:
      
      http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=100531#100531
      
      
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| Subject:  | Re: condensation | 
      
      
      On Mar 14, 2007, at 5:35 PM, 84KF wrote:
      > that proper ventilation is a way to supplement floor coatings and help 
      > to keep humidity down.
      
      Ventilation is certainly the key word in the fight against 
      condensation. As we learn in meteorology, warm air rises and an opening 
      near the floor, plus another one at the top of the ceiling, should 
      provide a 'chimney' effect. But it only works if there is warm air 
      under cold air. If the metal roof is heated by the sun, we get - as in 
      meteorology - an inversion: stable air, warm above cold, and nothing 
      moves. The solution would then be to isolate the roof. Maybe stretching 
      sheets of clear plastic on the inside of the roof should suffice. After 
      all, next to vacuum, air is the best thermo-isolator, isn't it?
      
      Cheers,
      Michel
      
      do not archive
      
      
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      Crikey, I thought my email was going to Deke only but its gone to the 
      list as well. Thanks for the offers everyone. I'll let you know whats 
      needed when I pull them apart. Also, thank you all sincerely for your 
      kind thoughts and offers. My little demon went flying with me yesterday 
      and I got right up his nose by enjoying the flight immensely. I had a 
      good talk to him before we went up and told him he was welcome to come 
      along if he sat down, shut up and just hang on. I only heard a couple of 
      murmurs from him during the flight and I quickly put him in his place. I 
      believe I can put this behind me and your encouragement was want I 
      needed to get my head into a place that I could rationalise my thoughts. 
      Thanks guys, as I said to Deke, your a good bunch of blokes.
      
      
      Regards
      Graeme 
      
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      Thanks Mike, you could be on the money there. The masters were full to 
      the top but Im not sure it would explain the peddle fading when the 
      brakes are applied. I added Hydraulic oil from the bleed point at the 
      brake assembly until it came through the vent hole in the master 
      cylinder. I then replaced the vent plug. When applying pressure on the 
      brake peddle the starboard cylinder faded after several pumps. That 
      seemed to set off a series of failures with 2 of the other master 
      cylinders. Oil is coming up through the hole the peddle shaft runs 
      through but there is no seal in this area to prevent that occurring. I 
      have replaced the seals with metric ones and visually there appears to 
      be no difference although Im sure a micrometer would tell another story. 
      I feel this is where the problem is, hence the possible need for the 
      original overhaul kit.
      
      Regards
      Graeme 
      
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      Graeme, this would be a good email to send direct to Matco support for 
      their take on it.  They can also help you with determining which kit to 
      order.  The kits are cheap.
      Deke
      
        ----- Original Message ----- 
        From: QSS 
        To: kitfox-list@matronics.com ; kitfoxmike 
        Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2007 5:29 PM
        Subject: Kitfox-List: Matco parts
      
      
        Thanks Mike, you could be on the money there. The masters were full to 
      the top but Im not sure it would explain the peddle fading when the 
      brakes are applied. I added Hydraulic oil from the bleed point at the 
      brake assembly until it came through the vent hole in the master 
      cylinder. I then replaced the vent plug. When applying pressure on the 
      brake peddle the starboard cylinder faded after several pumps. That 
      seemed to set off a series of failures with 2 of the other master 
      cylinders. Oil is coming up through the hole the peddle shaft runs 
      through but there is no seal in this area to prevent that occurring. I 
      have replaced the seals with metric ones and visually there appears to 
      be no difference although Im sure a micrometer would tell another story. 
      I feel this is where the problem is, hence the possible need for the 
      original overhaul kit.
      
        Regards
        Graeme 
      
      
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      This morning at Calhoun, GA I flew my Kitfox 5, 912ULS for the first
      flight. Unbelievable feeling. The plane handled great, no problems at
      all. However the capacitor I reported on last month (the replacement)
      blew about 20 minutes into the flight. I knew immediately what it was, so
      didn't panic. The rest of the flight was uneventful. Can't wait to solve
      this problem and get her up again. Special thanks to Maxwell Duke for
      letting me get a couple of hours in his plane.
      
      David Estapa
      Woodstock, GA
      S5TD N97DE
      
      
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| Subject:  | Re: First Flight | 
      
      
      A GREAT BIG CONGRATS. Have fun learning the quirks in her . Hope you do not 
      have any more squawks in the girl .
      
      Fly safe
      John Perry
      
      
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| Subject:  | Re: First Flight | 
      
      
      got mine from lockwood,works great.
      I did get one at a computer store and if blew as soon as power was on.
      
      
      Read this topic online here:
      
      http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=100626#100626
      
      
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| Subject:  | Re: I'm Back on the list | 
      
      
      nice airplane.where did you get the air vents?
      
      
      Read this topic online here:
      
      http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=100630#100630
      
      
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| Subject:  | Re: contact info for KItfox inc | 
      
      208 337-5111
        ----- Original Message ----- 
        From: kirk hull 
        To: kitfox-list@matronics.com 
        Sent: Monday, March 12, 2007 6:37 PM
        Subject: Kitfox-List: contact info for KItfox inc
      
      
        I need to price/order some parts from kitfox but I cant find their 
      contact info would any one have their email address.
      
      
 
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