---------------------------------------------------------- Kitfox-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Thu 03/15/07: 37 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 03:50 AM - Re: contact info for KItfox inc (Mike) 2. 05:03 AM - Another Kitfox flies! (Kerry Skyring) 3. 05:36 AM - Re: First Flight (W Duke) 4. 05:39 AM - Re: Another Kitfox flies! (W Duke) 5. 06:23 AM - Re: I'm Back on the list (n85ae) 6. 06:57 AM - Re: Re: Kitfox fuel tanks (Noel Loveys) 7. 07:08 AM - Re: Re: Kitfox fuel tanks (Noel Loveys) 8. 07:17 AM - Fw: wingtip crack (Clem Nichols) 9. 07:22 AM - Re: Re: condensation (Noel Loveys) 10. 07:31 AM - Re: Fw: wingtip crack interesting (Aerobatics@aol.com) 11. 07:34 AM - Re: wingtip crack (n85ae) 12. 07:36 AM - Re: wingtip crack (Bob) 13. 07:41 AM - Re: Fw: wingtip crack (fox5flyer) 14. 07:41 AM - Re: Kitfox fuel tanks (n85ae) 15. 07:54 AM - Re: Fw: wingtip crack (D. Fisher) 16. 07:59 AM - Re: Droop tips -- opinions (D. Fisher) 17. 08:02 AM - Re: Re: Kitfox fuel tanks (D. Fisher) 18. 08:02 AM - Re: Fw: wingtip crack interesting (paul wilson) 19. 08:05 AM - Re: Fw: wingtip crack (Michel Verheughe) 20. 08:32 AM - Re: First Flight (Roger Standley) 21. 08:49 AM - Re: Fw: wingtip crack (paul wilson) 22. 09:31 AM - Re: Fw: wingtip crack (Clem Nichols) 23. 10:01 AM - Re: wingtip crack (84KF) 24. 10:24 AM - Re: First Flight (RRTRACK@aol.com) 25. 01:19 PM - Ram Engines Experience? (darinh) 26. 01:37 PM - Re: Re: Kitfox fuel tanks (Sjklerks@aol.com) 27. 02:29 PM - Re: Ram Engines Experience? (Rick) 28. 03:30 PM - Re: Ram Engines Experience? (GENTRYLL@aol.com) 29. 04:36 PM - AD's question for airworthy cert (pilotpat) 30. 04:55 PM - Re: Re: wingtip crack< FOR BOB > (john perry) 31. 05:07 PM - Re: AD's question for airworthy cert (john perry) 32. 05:45 PM - Re: wingtip crack< FOR BOB > (akflyer) 33. 05:59 PM - Re: AD's question for airworthy cert (kirk hull) 34. 06:13 PM - Re: Re: wingtip crack< FOR BOB > (john perry) 35. 06:20 PM - Re: AD's question for airworthy cert (84KF) 36. 07:20 PM - Re: Re: wingtip crack< FOR BOB > (Noel Loveys) 37. 08:05 PM - Re: wingtip crack< FOR BOB > (akflyer) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 03:50:52 AM PST US From: Mike Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: contact info for KItfox inc Go to the following website: www.kitfoxaircraft.com All of the contact info is posted there. Mike On Mar 15, 2007, at 12:27 AM, Larry/Cathy Boone wrote: > 208 337-5111 > ----- Original Message ----- > From: kirk hull > To: kitfox-list@matronics.com > Sent: Monday, March 12, 2007 6:37 PM > Subject: Kitfox-List: contact info for KItfox inc > > I need to price/order some parts from kitfox but I cant find their > contact info would any one have their email address. > > href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List">http:// > www.matronhref="http://forums.matronics.com">http:// > forums.matronics.com > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List_- > ============================================================ _- > forums.matronics.com_- > =========================================================== > ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 05:03:21 AM PST US From: "Kerry Skyring" Subject: Kitfox-List: Another Kitfox flies! Yesterday OE-UMJ, a beautiful S5 Kitfox built by Johann Muehlberger flew from Stockerau near Vienna. The flight went well and I will report soon with some figures. Here's a link to a few pictures on our airfield's web site. http://www.fsv2000.at/ The test pilot was Wolfgang Gockert who said he was delighted by the plane's handling. It's an S5 with 912S and fixed pitch prop. Grove landing gear. I know other S5 owners will be interested in our figures so will post when we've got a good idea of performance etc. Many many thanks to the list, John McBean et al. Kerry (builders helper) >> >>href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List">http:// >>www.matronhref="http://forums.matronics.com">http:// forums.matronics.com >>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List_- >>============================================================ _- >>forums.matronics.com_- >>=========================================================== >> > _________________________________________________________________ http://search.msn.com/ ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 05:36:22 AM PST US From: W Duke Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: First Flight Congratulations and you are certainly welcome. Maxwell David Estapa wrote: This morning at Calhoun, GA I flew my Kitfox 5, 912ULS for the first flight. Unbelievable feeling. The plane handled great, no problems at all. However the capacitor I reported on last month (the replacement) blew about 20 minutes into the flight. I knew immediately what it was, so didn't panic. The rest of the flight was uneventful. Can't wait to solve this problem and get her up again. Special thanks to Maxwell Duke for letting me get a couple of hours in his plane. David Estapa Woodstock, GA S5TD N97DE --------------------------------- Don't be flakey. Get Yahoo! Mail for Mobile and always stay connected to friends. ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 05:39:04 AM PST US From: W Duke Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Another Kitfox flies! Congratulations. Maxwell Kerry Skyring wrote: Yesterday OE-UMJ, a beautiful S5 Kitfox built by Johann Muehlberger flew from Stockerau near Vienna. The flight went well and I will report soon with some figures. Here's a link to a few pictures on our airfield's web site. http://www.fsv2000.at/ The test pilot was Wolfgang Gockert who said he was delighted by the plane's handling. It's an S5 with 912S and fixed pitch prop. Grove landing gear. I know other S5 owners will be interested in our figures so will post when we've got a good idea of performance etc. Many many thanks to the list, John McBean et al. Kerry (builders helper) >> >>href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List">http:// >>www.matronhref="http://forums.matronics.com">http:// forums.matronics.com >>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List_- >>============================================================ _- >>forums.matronics.com_- >>=========================================================== >> > _________________________________________________________________ http://search.msn.com/ Maxwell Duke S6/IO240/Phase II Flight Testing --------------------------------- TV dinner still cooling? Check out "Tonight's Picks" on Yahoo! TV. ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 06:23:50 AM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: I'm Back on the list From: "n85ae" Regarding the airvents, I made them from scratch. The flap is made from two layers of aluminum which are flush riveted together. This provides the bevel for the edge as one piece is about 1/4" larger all the way around. The housing I made a wooden plug, and glassclothed them with West Systems epoxy. Airvents - Total waste of time in hindsight. The snap vents I put in my bubble doors provide a TON more air, and doing it over that's all I would install. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=100678#100678 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 06:57:19 AM PST US From: "Noel Loveys" Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re: Kitfox fuel tanks You obviously have a lot more experience than I have flying planes. I still have to ask if it is really necessary to fill your plane to the gas caps. I take short flights myself where I quite intentionally don't completely fill the plane. When you go for resale the two 13 Gal. tanks may increase the value of your plane a bit. Never the less if you do decide to change out the tanks I am still interested in buying the left one. It will allow me to make a trip of 200 mi with lots of reserve so I can check in at a few hunting camps I know of without having to drag extra fuel in the float. BTW where are you??? I hope it's not Hawaii :-) The shipping charges would be big! Noel > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jerry > Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2007 1:08 PM > To: kitfox-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Kitfox fuel tanks > > > > There are a few good ones out there who provide good > technical advice on our > airplanes, but after 50 years and 12,000 hours of flying > (accident free) I > really dont need lessons on Airspeed, Altitude, or Fuel > management. I just > really need the fuel tanks that fit my style of flying Here > in the Idaho > back country. Priceless is clearing the tree tops at the end > of an 800 ft > strip in the back country. Too much fuel on board might be > the difference > between treetops for lunch or fresh trout. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "84KF" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2007 10:38 AM > Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Kitfox fuel tanks > > > > > > Airspeed..., Take it of leave it. > > Altitude..., More is better. --- > > > > Fuel on a day with a head wind..., Priceless > > > > > > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=100319#100319 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > 7:19 PM > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 07:08:43 AM PST US From: "Noel Loveys" Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re: Kitfox fuel tanks Got it, Idaho. I can see where you would want to be light..... What is the difference in the actual weight of the tanks? Noel > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jerry > Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2007 1:08 PM > To: kitfox-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Kitfox fuel tanks > > > > There are a few good ones out there who provide good > technical advice on our > airplanes, but after 50 years and 12,000 hours of flying > (accident free) I > really dont need lessons on Airspeed, Altitude, or Fuel > management. I just > really need the fuel tanks that fit my style of flying Here > in the Idaho > back country. Priceless is clearing the tree tops at the end > of an 800 ft > strip in the back country. Too much fuel on board might be > the difference > between treetops for lunch or fresh trout. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "84KF" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2007 10:38 AM > Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Kitfox fuel tanks > > > > > > Airspeed..., Take it of leave it. > > Altitude..., More is better. --- > > > > Fuel on a day with a head wind..., Priceless > > > > > > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=100319#100319 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > 7:19 PM > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 07:17:10 AM PST US From: "Clem Nichols" Subject: Kitfox-List: Fw: wingtip crack ----- Subject: wingtip crack I have just noticed a 12 inch longitudinal hairline crack along the outside edge of the right wingtip on my Model IV 1200. I had originally thought it was just a scratch in the paint, but unfortunately that's not the case. I have no idea what could have caused this as the wingtip has never struck anything at least since I've owned the plane. My question is, can this be safely repaired, or should the wingtip be replaced. It appears to be perfectly sound otherwise, and because of the cracks location it wouldn't seem to me to be subject to a great deal of in-flight stress. I wonder about drilling a small hole at each end of the crack to keep it from extending any further, and then using an epoxy glue on the crack and epoxy filler on the drilled holes. Does this sound reasonable (ie safe)? Any opinions/recommendations appreciated. Clem Nichols ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 07:22:31 AM PST US From: "Noel Loveys" Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re: condensation If you can put in a heat exchanger... Pick up a used one....That should keep things pretty dry in cold weather when the outside air is below 15C. De-humidifiers will usually only work effectively down to about 10C I doubt you need one during the summer and as it gets colder it becomes less efficient. Below 0C any moisture that will condense is already frozen ergo not a great factor for condensation. Noel > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of 84KF > Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2007 2:05 PM > To: kitfox-list@matronics.com > Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: condensation > > > > I have worked in many hangers, both old and new and it always > seemed to me (IMOH and all that stuff...) that proper > ventilation is a way to supplement floor coatings and help to > keep humidity down. Much like a paint booth, a outflow up > high, and inflow down low. If the air gets circulated and > recycled the potential for moisture decreases. (yes?) (Dew > Point?) Note that most (rented) new steel hangers are quite > air tight, but do not have exhaust fan or hoods. > > Just my thought on the subject. blast away. > Steve > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=100499#100499 > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 07:31:21 AM PST US From: Aerobatics@aol.com Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Fw: wingtip crack interesting In a message dated 3/15/2007 9:18:37 A.M. Central Daylight Time, cnichols@scrtc.com writes: Subject: wingtip crack I have just noticed a 12 inch longitudinal hairline crack along the outside edge of the right wingtip on my Model IV 1200. I had originally thought it was just a scratch in the paint, but unfortunately that's not the case. I have no idea what could have caused this as the wingtip has never struck anything at least since I've owned the plane. My question is, can this be safely repaired, or should the wingtip be replaced. It appears to be perfectly sound otherwise, and because of the cracks location it wouldn't seem to me to be subject to a great deal of in-flight stress. I wonder about drilling a small hole at each end of the crack to keep it from extending any further, and then using an epoxy glue on the crack and epoxy filler on the drilled holes. Does this sound reasonable (ie safe)? Any opinions/recommendations appreciated. Clem Nichols I dont respond much here but I have a few thoughts... I assume if just a crack, its in the gel coat. While this will weaken the glass part a bit, it may not be ruined. If there is anyway of getting inside to the interior of the wing tip, you can clean and lay some glass from the inside to stiffen the cracked area... then just make the crack "look good" with touch up paint on the outside... maybe add a pinstripe? If not, I might see if I could wick in some CA glue into the crack, when cured, try to make crack look good with touch up paint and see if it re develops... if it is really broken then I would lay glass on the outside and refinish..... Just a modelers opinion! In any case I hope it works out! Dave Patrick KF2


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AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 07:34:07 AM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: wingtip crack From: "n85ae" It isn't a stressed part, so there's really no reason you can't fix it. Just scuff the inside with some 80 grit. Get some T-88 in there, and flow it into the crack via a little heat from a heat gun. Then put in a layer or two of glasscloth behind the crack. Should be good as new. I dropped one of my wing tips 4 years ago, and the trailing edge split. I put some T-88 in it, and taped it together til cured, and it still holding today. Regards, Jeff Hays Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=100692#100692 ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 07:36:04 AM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: wingtip crack From: "Bob" Assuming it's fiberglass, it's very repairable by patching from the inside. The patch thickness needs to taper of in layers and within an inch of the crack need to be as thick as the original FAA publication AC43.13 has good illustrations. If've you've never done glass work, see if you can find some help, preferabley from somebody who knows the difference between working on airplanes and boats. Bob -------- Remember that internet advice may only be worth what you pay. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=100695#100695 ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 07:41:56 AM PST US From: "fox5flyer" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Fw: wingtip crack Those tips are fiberglass with a gel coating on the outside. More than likely the crack is only in the gel coating and nothing to worry about. Fiberglass is pretty tough stuff. An easy repair would be to rough sand it, apply a 1" wide strip of fiberglass with resin over it. Sand, fill, and paint. Deke ----- Original Message ----- From: Clem Nichols To: kitfox list Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2003 12:41 AM Subject: Kitfox-List: Fw: wingtip crack ----- Subject: wingtip crack I have just noticed a 12 inch longitudinal hairline crack along the outside edge of the right wingtip on my Model IV 1200. I had originally thought it was just a scratch in the paint, but unfortunately that's not the case. I have no idea what could have caused this as the wingtip has never struck anything at least since I've owned the plane. My question is, can this be safely repaired, or should the wingtip be replaced. It appears to be perfectly sound otherwise, and because of the cracks location it wouldn't seem to me to be subject to a great deal of in-flight stress. I wonder about drilling a small hole at each end of the crack to keep it from extending any further, and then using an epoxy glue on the crack and epoxy filler on the drilled holes. Does this sound reasonable (ie safe)? Any opinions/recommendations appreciated. Clem Nichols ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 07:41:56 AM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Kitfox fuel tanks From: "n85ae" Go to www.summitracing.com, and look at "Fuel Cells". They have a bunch, and I have often thought about putting a 10 gallon cell behind the seat as a suplemental tank. Obviously the venting and plumbing would have to be worked out. But this is one way to get some range. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=100698#100698 ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 07:54:06 AM PST US From: "D. Fisher" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Fw: wingtip crack my Droops tips are two piece and bonded together. I had one split on seam last year and I just put in some 5 min epoxy and clamped it together for an hour. Never come apart again. I would guess close to 300 hours flying since the repair. If your tips are easily removed , I wold take off and add a piece of glass inside. Mine are not removable easily. Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: Clem Nichols To: kitfox list Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2003 1:41 AM Subject: Kitfox-List: Fw: wingtip crack ----- Subject: wingtip crack I have just noticed a 12 inch longitudinal hairline crack along the outside edge of the right wingtip on my Model IV 1200. I had originally thought it was just a scratch in the paint, but unfortunately that's not the case. I have no idea what could have caused this as the wingtip has never struck anything at least since I've owned the plane. My question is, can this be safely repaired, or should the wingtip be replaced. It appears to be perfectly sound otherwise, and because of the cracks location it wouldn't seem to me to be subject to a great deal of in-flight stress. I wonder about drilling a small hole at each end of the crack to keep it from extending any further, and then using an epoxy glue on the crack and epoxy filler on the drilled holes. Does this sound reasonable (ie safe)? Any opinions/recommendations appreciated. Clem Nichols ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 07:59:45 AM PST US From: "D. Fisher" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Droop tips -- opinions So what is concensous on Droops tips,? Has anyone actaully chnaged tips and have and results to share ? ----- Original Message ----- From: D. Fisher To: kitfox-list@matronics.com Sent: Saturday, March 03, 2007 9:29 AM Subject: Kitfox-List: Droop tips I am looking for anyone that has changed from Droop tips to the more current hoerner style tip on a IV. What was gained or lost if anything ? I have mixed thoughts on Droop tips. Personally would a winglet tip ( invested tip) now give better STOL ? Open for comments. Dave ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 08:02:47 AM PST US From: "D. Fisher" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Kitfox fuel tanks I think these tanks might be adaptable lfor behind the seat as well. http://www.usplastic.com/catalog/product.asp?catalog%5Fname=USPlastic&category%5Fname=28146&product%5Fid=19330 ----- Original Message ----- From: "n85ae" Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2007 10:41 AM Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Kitfox fuel tanks > > Go to www.summitracing.com, and look at "Fuel Cells". They have a bunch, > and I have often thought about putting a 10 gallon cell behind the seat as > a suplemental tank. Obviously the venting and plumbing would have to be > worked out. But this is one way to get some range. > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=100698#100698 > > > ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 08:02:49 AM PST US From: "paul wilson" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Fw: wingtip crack interesting At some point way back when, someone advised several of us builders that the wing tips needed to be reinforced based on previous experience. What we did it put a couple of fiberglass/epoxy lay ups on the inside where the two halfs are joined. It was pretty easy. Of course removal of the wing tip is required. Paul =========================== At 07:30 AM 3/15/2007, you Clem Nichols wrote: In a message dated 3/15/2007 9:18:37 A.M. Central Daylight Time, cnichols@scrtc.com writes: Subject: wingtip crack I have just noticed a 12 inch longitudinal hairline crack along the outside edge of the right wingtip on my Model IV 1200. I had originally thought it was just a scratch in the paint, but unfortunately that's not the case. I have no idea what could have caused this as the wingtip has never struck anything at least since I've owned the plane. My question is, can this be safely repaired, or should the wingtip be replaced. It appears to be perfectly sound otherwise, and because of the cracks location it wouldn't seem to me to be subject to a great deal of in-flight stress. I wonder about drilling a small hole at each end of the crack to keep it from extending any further, and then using an epoxy glue on the crack and epoxy filler on the drilled holes. Does this sound reasonable (ie safe)? Any opinions/recommendations appreciated. Clem Nichols I dont respond much here but I have a few thoughts... I assume if just a crack, its in the gel coat. While this will weaken the glass part a bit, it may not be ruined. If there is anyway of getting inside to the interior of the wing tip, you can clean and lay some glass from the inside to stiffen the cracked area... then just make the crack "look good" with touch up paint on the outside... maybe add a pinstripe? If not, I might see if I could wick in some CA glue into the crack, when cured, try to make crack look good with touch up paint and see if it re develops... if it is really broken then I would lay glass on the outside and refinish..... Just a modelers opinion! In any case I hope it works out! Dave Patrick KF2 _________________________________ SISNA...more service, less money. http://www.sisna.com/exclusive/ ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 08:05:12 AM PST US From: Michel Verheughe Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Fw: wingtip crack > From: Clem Nichols [cnichols@scrtc.com] > I have just noticed a 12 inch longitudinal hairline crack along the outside edge I will only confirm what others have already said: it is certainly only a hairline crack in the gelcoat and it is not dangerous at all for the wingtip as it will never extend through the glassfiber. Such hairline cracks are often to be seen on GRP boats; mine has a few of those for many years. They often come as a star pattern around a place that has had a stress. The GRP will bend, the gelcoat won't. It is only cosmetic and not structural. On my sailboat, my cracks are most probably the result of being on land in a cratle in the winter. Hulls are designed to have a pressure from the outside water, not to "hang in the air." The only thing I do is to ensure that water won't get in the cracks since when water freezes (it tends to do that in Norway! :-) the crack might expend, is to wax it properly to keep it water-free. Cheers, Michel
________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 08:32:02 AM PST US From: "Roger Standley" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: First Flight =0ACONGRATS, DAVID!!!!!!!=0A=0ARoger=0A ----- Original Me ssage ----- =0A From: David Estapa =0A To: kitfox-list@matronics.com =0A Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2007 7:27 PM=0A Subject: Kitfox -List: First Flight=0A=0A=0A --> Kitfox-List message posted by: David Estapa >=0A =0A=0A This morning at Calhoun, GA I flew my Kitfox 5, 912ULS f or the first=0A flight. Unbelievable feeling. The plane handled gr eat, no problems at=0A all. However the capacitor I reported on la st month (the replacement)=0A blew about 20 minutes into the fligh t. I knew immediately what it was, so=0A didn't panic. The rest of the flight was uneventful. Can't wait to solve=0A this problem an d get her up again. Special thanks to Maxwell Duke for=0A letting me get a couple of hours in his plane.=0A=0A David Estapa=0A ======================= ======================= ww.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List http://forums.matronics.com=0A ======================= ================0A=0A=0A=0A ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 08:49:42 AM PST US From: "paul wilson" Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Fw: wingtip crack True gel coat cracks are not an issue. But, wing tips that did not get the lay up to join the two halves might present a problem. One must look inside to see if the inside lay ups are present. Mine had no lay ups and were just bonded together with epoxy. I believe others found the same thing Paul _________________________________ SISNA...more service, less money. http://www.sisna.com/exclusive/ ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 09:31:28 AM PST US From: "Clem Nichols" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Fw: wingtip crack Paul: Thanks to you and the others who have responded to my question. I think you have hit the nail on the head, and that's exactly what I intend to do, remove the wingtip, and see what it looks like on the inside. Clem ----- Original Message ----- From: "paul wilson" Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2007 10:49 AM Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Fw: wingtip crack > > True gel coat cracks are not an issue. But, wing tips that did not get the > lay up to join the two halves might present a problem. One must look > inside to see if the inside lay ups are present. Mine had no lay ups and > were just bonded together with epoxy. I believe others found the same > thing > Paul > > _________________________________ > SISNA...more service, less money. > http://www.sisna.com/exclusive/ > > > ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 10:01:19 AM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: wingtip crack From: "84KF" Clem, Excellent decision. Not that any defect or flaw will be detected, but we do have individual responsibilities. 91.7 Civil aircraft airworthiness. "(b) The pilot in command of a civil aircraft is responsible for determining whether that aircraft is in condition for safe flight. The pilot in command shall discontinue the flight when unairworthy mechanical, electrical, or structural conditions occur." steve http://84kf.blogspot.com/ [/i] Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=100740#100740 ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 10:24:36 AM PST US From: RRTRACK@aol.com Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: First Flight Congratulations David!!!! Looking forward to more flight reports. I sure hope the Kitfox 5 really works out well for you. Keep us updated. Mark Wisconsin Kitfox 5 Vixen UL 912 Avid "B" STOL 582 RV6A 0-360 ************************************** AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 01:19:31 PM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Ram Engines Experience? From: "darinh" Does anyone have experience with the Ram Engines 140hp EA81 Subaru? I am contemplating this engine for my Series 7 and would like to hear the good and the bad about it as it would pertain to a series 5, 6 or 7. I have read plenty about the NSI engines and people seem to either like them or hate them but I understand this is a completely different setup from the NSI. Ram actually reworks there engines completely and engineers them for aircraft use (that is what is said on the website anyway). I would likely be sticking a IFA prop on the end like the Airmasters or the IVO. Any info would be great on this particular setup and actual performance numbers would be even better. Thanks guys (and gals if there are any), Darin H. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=100807#100807 ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 01:37:03 PM PST US From: Sjklerks@aol.com Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Kitfox fuel tanks Go to _www.speedwaymoters.com_ (http://www.speedwaymoters.com) (poly fuel tanks) They have some fuel tanks that are 33" long X 8" around. I'm going to install behind the seat above the baggage compartment. Then tee it into the header tank. Jim ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 02:29:06 PM PST US From: "Rick" Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Ram Engines Experience? My personal opinion is they (RON) has lost the bubble. Maybe when he first started and was mostly hands on doing quality work himself it was a good company. Now he has helpers and all the problems associated with it. Quality control is non existent. I not going into all the details but suffice it to say I will not send him any more work nor will I buy anything from him. He is however a nice man and has always done the right thing, fix, replace, refund ect, just to much time and work on my part for what should have been right the first time. Especially considering what these engines are going in. Maybe your luck will be better and maybe he has in proved the quality. Just not going back myself. -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of darinh Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2007 1:15 PM Subject: Kitfox-List: Ram Engines Experience? Does anyone have experience with the Ram Engines 140hp EA81 Subaru? I am contemplating this engine for my Series 7 and would like to hear the good and the bad about it as it would pertain to a series 5, 6 or 7. I have read plenty about the NSI engines and people seem to either like them or hate them but I understand this is a completely different setup from the NSI. Ram actually reworks there engines completely and engineers them for aircraft use (that is what is said on the website anyway). I would likely be sticking a IFA prop on the end like the Airmasters or the IVO. Any info would be great on this particular setup and actual performance numbers would be even better. Thanks guys (and gals if there are any), Darin H. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=100807#100807 ________________________________ Message 28 ____________________________________ Time: 03:30:30 PM PST US From: GENTRYLL@aol.com Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Ram Engines Experience? I own an NSI Subaru in a Model IV. I could not keep it flying due to plug fouling and running too rich. It had an Ellison ESF-2 TB carb on it. Both NSI and Ellison said run the fuel pressure at 4 to 5 psi. I lost 18 months of flying time fooling with it. I called the guys at Ram and told them I wanted to change my entire intake/carb setup for that he uses on his engine as I had had enough. He asked one simple question and that was how much fuel pressure I was running. I said 4 to 5 just like NSI and Ellison said to run. Ram said as much as I would like to sell you my stuff, try cutting the pressure back to 1.5 and see how it does. I ran a bypass line and reduced the pressure to 1.25 and it has run perfectly since. My next will be a Ram Conversion. ************************************** AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. ________________________________ Message 29 ____________________________________ Time: 04:36:16 PM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: AD's question for airworthy cert From: "pilotpat" AD's Question - I am trying to get my kitfox airworthy certificate as a ELSA and the Faa says I forgot to put in the box the latest Note AD bi - weekly in publication at the time I signed the form (8130-6) Does anyone know what this number or current publication would be? This is a kitfox classic iv and never flew yet and I purchased it mostly built. it has the jabiru 2200A engine ....any help or link to these would be helpful. do not archive -------- Pilotpat Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=100871#100871 ________________________________ Message 30 ____________________________________ Time: 04:55:05 PM PST US From: "john perry" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: wingtip crack< FOR BOB > BOB I am one who has worked on boats, infact built many . If you have a problem with someone who cannot glass that is one thing but to insinuate that someone who builds boats does not know what they are doing is not very nice .. Yes i also do glass work on aircraft . John Perry DO NOT ARCHIVE " preferabley from somebody who knows the difference between working on airplanes and boats." > Bob > > -------- > Remember that internet advice may only be worth what you pay. ________________________________ Message 31 ____________________________________ Time: 05:07:28 PM PST US From: "john perry" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: AD's question for airworthy cert You will not have any AD's pertaining to your aircraft if i understand it correctly . these only apply to Certified aircraft . You will however find service bulletins posted by the manufacturer or kit provider . John Perry Kitfox 2 N718PD ________________________________ Message 32 ____________________________________ Time: 05:45:10 PM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: wingtip crack< FOR BOB > From: "akflyer" now I know why your bird flys with the left wing down all the time....musta got a bit too much glass on that side.. I told you that a full gallon of resin was not necessary for a lil ole 3" " linear indication" (I hate the "c" word)..... Didn't Dad teach you the difference between roving, mat and cloth and the appropriate times to use each... I swear us boat guys must be stupid or something...maybe from huffing too much acetone...I guess we better seek profesional help next time we need to fix something as elementary as fibergalss..... -------- Leni Avid C W/582 1260 full lotus .......DO NOT ARCHIVE..... Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=100883#100883 ________________________________ Message 33 ____________________________________ Time: 05:59:00 PM PST US From: "kirk hull" Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: AD's question for airworthy cert When the FAA ask, you built most of the airplane and way over 51% and there are no AD's on experimental aircraft. I looked at the Faa form on the web (FAA.GOV) and it has changed sence the last time I filled one out. I would suggest that you lic your plane as an Experimental/armature built. You will still be able to fly it as a sport pilot but the plane will not be limited to only what a sport plane can do. This way the pilot will be the limiting factor and not the plane. There may come a time when your planes needs to be able to do those things ( night flight). -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of pilotpat Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2007 5:36 PM Subject: Kitfox-List: AD's question for airworthy cert AD's Question - I am trying to get my kitfox airworthy certificate as a ELSA and the Faa says I forgot to put in the box the latest Note AD bi - weekly in publication at the time I signed the form (8130-6) Does anyone know what this number or current publication would be? This is a kitfox classic iv and never flew yet and I purchased it mostly built. it has the jabiru 2200A engine ....any help or link to these would be helpful. do not archive -------- Pilotpat Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=100871#100871 ________________________________ Message 34 ____________________________________ Time: 06:13:22 PM PST US From: "john perry" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: wingtip crack< FOR BOB > UHHH i dunno what ya talkin about that 3 inch whatever you said thingy is actually a shotgun blast from the last time we went snipe hunting and tilt is to the right you were facing backwards fring out the door when you got the tip . and all that weight is from the duct tape and gorilla glue with the bluejean patch on top . dang cant you remember anything after burning a few . Cant hardly wait to get back home and fly with ya bro Fly safe fly low fly slow John Perry Kitfox 2 N718PD DO NOT ARCHIVE ----- Original Message ----- From: "akflyer" Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2007 7:44 PM Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: wingtip crack< FOR BOB > > > now I know why your bird flys with the left wing down all the > time....musta got a bit too much glass on that side.. I told you that a > full gallon of resin was not necessary for a lil ole 3" " linear > indication" (I hate the "c" word)..... > > Didn't Dad teach you the difference between roving, mat and cloth and the > appropriate times to use each... I swear us boat guys must be stupid or > something...maybe from huffing too much acetone...I guess we better seek > profesional help next time we need to fix something as elementary as > fibergalss..... > > -------- > Leni > Avid C W/582 > 1260 full lotus > > .......DO NOT ARCHIVE..... > ________________________________ Message 35 ____________________________________ Time: 06:20:58 PM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: AD's question for airworthy cert From: "84KF" Oh boy... I'm just going to watch this thread..... and see what we have learned about E-LSA and S-LSA. The first question I would have is ..." was, or is, the kit or plans approved for E-LSA and if so was it built to the EXACT specifications of that kits (now) FAA approved assembly instructions.? "I would suggest that you lic your plane as an Experimental/armature built. You will still be able to fly it as a sport pilot but the plane will not be limited to only what a sport plane can do. This way the pilot will be the limiting factor and not the plane. " I like this thinking...but many do not. Steve http://84kf.blogspot.com/ Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=100896#100896 ________________________________ Message 36 ____________________________________ Time: 07:20:04 PM PST US From: "Noel Loveys" Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re: wingtip crack< FOR BOB > I think what he was getting at was the use of vacuum bagging parts, using pre preg or weighed resin to glass ratios as opposed to spray up or lay up commonly used in boats. I might be wrong. Noel > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of > john perry > Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2007 9:24 PM > To: kitfox-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: wingtip crack< FOR BOB > > > > > BOB > I am one who has worked on boats, infact built many . If you > have a problem > with someone who cannot glass that is one thing but to insinuate that > someone who builds boats does not know what they are doing is > not very nice > . > Yes i also do glass work on aircraft . > > John Perry > > DO NOT ARCHIVE > " preferabley from somebody who knows the difference between > working on > airplanes and boats." > > Bob > > > > -------- > > Remember that internet advice may only be worth what you pay. > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 37 ____________________________________ Time: 08:05:32 PM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: wingtip crack< FOR BOB > From: "akflyer" the replies are still funny.....oh yeah... I have vaccume bagged boat parts too.... But it was a model lol. -------- Leni Avid C W/582 1260 full lotus .......DO NOT ARCHIVE..... 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