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1. 02:25 AM - Re: 912ULS sprag clutch problems ? (michael paton)
2. 04:33 AM - Re: Bleeding brakes (D. Fisher)
3. 04:57 AM - ON topic - whining about others. (D. Fisher)
4. 05:35 AM - Re: Re: Source code in posts - Off topic (fox5flyer)
5. 06:01 AM - Re: Re: Source code in posts - Off topic (Roger McConnell)
6. 06:36 AM - Re: Cooling Question (Mike)
7. 06:45 AM - Re: Resin (Michel Verheughe)
8. 07:43 AM - Re: Resin - OT (Noel Loveys)
9. 08:22 AM - Re: Re: Source code in posts - Off topic (Lowell Fitt)
10. 08:24 AM - Re: Bleeding brakes (Lynn Matteson)
11. 08:25 AM - Re: Resin - OT (Lowell Fitt)
12. 09:24 AM - Re: Source code in posts - Off topic (84KF)
13. 09:25 AM - Re: Source code in posts - Off topic (akflyer)
14. 09:48 AM - Re: Weight (Michael Gibbs)
15. 10:32 AM - Droop tips -Crusie speeds mods. (D. Fisher)
16. 11:15 AM - Re: Source code in posts - Off topic (Michael Gibbs)
17. 11:16 AM - Re: Re: Source code in posts - Off topic (Dave G.)
18. 11:25 AM - Re: Re: Source code in posts - Off topic (clemwehner)
19. 11:43 AM - Re: Droop tips -Crusie speeds mods. (Noel Loveys)
20. 11:51 AM - Price Reduced on Low Time Engine (Mike Couillard)
21. 12:16 PM - Re: condensation (Roger Standley)
22. 12:16 PM - new forum (D. Fisher)
23. 01:03 PM - Wheel dollies (84KF)
24. 01:43 PM - Re: Corrosion Protecting Aluminum (Rockitfox@aol.com)
25. 02:06 PM - Re: new forum (akflyer)
26. 02:07 PM - Re: Source code in posts - Off topic (akflyer)
27. 02:29 PM - Brake kits. (QSS)
28. 02:49 PM - Move on (QSS)
29. 03:02 PM - Re: Move on (Matt Dralle)
30. 03:38 PM - Re: Re: new forum (D. Fisher)
31. 03:45 PM - Re: Re: Source code in posts - Off topic (D. Fisher)
32. 04:48 PM - Re: Move on OT (Noel Loveys)
33. 06:03 PM - Bing Carb Flooding (Rex & Jan Shaw)
34. 08:11 PM - Re: Re: Weight ()
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Subject: | Re: 912ULS sprag clutch problems ? |
YES=0AI have the same problem , got a 912 s , shudders on start and shut do
wn , checked the cluch springs but fine , our local rotax agent advised sli
pper cluch , i have got it now but not installed , glad to hear i was not o
nly prob,=0Amichael=0A=0A----- Original Message ----=0AFrom: alnanarthur <a
lnanarthur@sbcglobal.net>=0ATo: kitfox-list@matronics.com=0ASent: Saturday,
March 17, 2007 7:51:59 PM=0ASubject: Kitfox-List: 912ULS sprag clutch prob
global.net>=0A=0AList,=0A=0AHas any Rotax 912 series engine users had spra
g clutch problems?=0A=0AI am having starting problems and am beginning to
suspect the sprag =0Aclutch.=0A=0AI would appreciate any insight on thi
s problem.=0A=0AI expect that the 912ULS would stress this part more th
an the 80 =0Ahp 912.=0AI had early problems shaking off the carbs on start
-up and shut-down =0Awith this=0Aengine until I added side springs to ea
ch carb and had the the =0Agearbox modified=0Ato add the 30 deg. slipper
clutch.=0A=0AI got one of the first 912ULS engines from Skystar. I hope
that I'm=0Anot breaking new ground with this problem.=0A=0A=0A=0AAllan Arth
ur=0AKitfox 5, N40AA=0ARotax 912ULS, Warpdrive 3 blade=0AByron Airport, CA
=============0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A =0A__
___________________________________________________________________________
_______=0AFood fight? Enjoy some healthy debate =0Ain the Yahoo! Answers Fo
od & Drink Q&A.=0Ahttp://answers.yahoo.com/dir/?link=list&sid=396545367
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Subject: | Re: Bleeding brakes |
Lowell,
Exactly .............. pump the fluid from the bleeeder with a oil can. You
will oush the air up to the master.
If you have loops in the line anywhere air will be pushed UP .
Doing it the way FLoyd mentioned might work but it would take alot more
line, alot more time and might not get air trapped in a loop in the line.
Works for me fine with oil can , fast and efficeint and simple with no need
to run lines from brakes to Masters. I could see this getting messy
Make sure you use Mil spec fliud 5606 i think is the number.
Dave
----- Original Message -----
From: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net>
Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2007 5:49 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Bleeding brakes
>
> Dave, I don't understand the logic here. If the bleeders are on the
> bottom, attach the tube, crack the bleeder then pump. All the air will be
> expelled. Explain where the residual air will be found.
>
> Lowell
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "D. Fisher" <d@cfisher.com>
> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2007 11:31 AM
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Bleeding brakes
>
>
> Floyd, That might work on a application with the bleeders pointed up but
> with the bleeder at the bottom of caliper I think you woudl find it hard
> to get all the air out.
>
> Air in system equals a spongy pedal.
>
> Dave
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Floyd Johnson
> To: Kitfox-List
> Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2007 10:57 AM
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Bleeding brakes
>
>
> A trick I learned, while I was on the Maintinance Committee for my Flying
> club, was to run a piece of clear plastic oxygen hose from the bleeder at
> the brake, and back to the filler on the resiuvoir (sp). Just pump the
> brake pedal and the air will exit the end of the hose, while the fluid
> returns to the tank. Simple and works like a charm. Oh, and don't use the
> hose for your oxygen after bleeding your brakes. He! He!.
>
>
> Floyd Johnson
> kitfox69@earthlink.net
> EarthLink Revolves Around You.
>
>
>
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Subject: | ON topic - whining about others. |
Don,
I have read posts of many that some I agree with and some I do not.
I find it odd that just because you have been a 10 year member that that
makes you superior to others. I can guarantee you that there are many that
have flown more in 6 months then some on list for 10 year might have flown
ever. Does this make then superior? Not in my opinion but we are all here
to be able to share info and help each other out ?
These internet chat forums area great benefit for everyone ot be able to
read other's comments.
Simple solution- if it bothers you - just leave.
And if you think that you belong to an elite group, well go start an elite
group forum and only allow comments that you approve.
I echo John Perry's comments about Archiving as well .......... one man's
junk is another man's treasure.
You can see that I do not BS, Heck I even made some movies to help out Guy
as he was taking 700 to 1000 feet to take off in his Kitfox quite simular
to mine. Actually turned out quite fun to make movies and be able to share
for other to enjoy. I get dozens of messages a week from others saying
thanks. So I know I helped others enjoy their Kitfox.
Kitfox in my opinion is a great aircraft for it's purpose and to be able to
learn and share from the great amount in info that is available from the
posters at this group is a real attribute to all.
So get off your high horse and stand on the same ground with the rest of us
.
Dave
----- Original Message -----
From: "Don Smythe" <dosmythe@cox.net>
Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2007 8:15 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Source code in posts - Off topic
>
> I have a problem with it and don't mind admitting it. I also have a
> problem with you submitting post after post aft post on every subject
> matter that hits the list. Look at what you just posted, it says nothing,
> provided no useful information and is about to drive me away. This
> Kitfox email list has gone to crap. As I've said before, it has turned
> into a cheap CHAT channel. Why can't you and a few others just report
> fact and leave the CHAT crap on the side. As you can tell, I'm Pissed and
> the Admin folks need to start pulling the plug on some members.
>
> Don Smythe
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Noel Loveys" <noelloveys@yahoo.ca>
> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2007 7:05 PM
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Source code in posts - Off topic
>
>
>>
>> Just wondering if there is actually any one out there who will admit to
>> having a big problem with reading the little bit of code that is in some
>> of
>> the posts? If I had a big problem with it I wouldn't let on.
>>
>> Noel
>> Before I forget do not archive
>> BTW I also changed the subject Etc.Etc.
>>
>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
>>> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of fox5flyer
>>> Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2007 10:40 AM
>>> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>>> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Corrosion Protecting Aluminum
>>>
>>>
>>> <fox5flyer@idealwifi.net>
>>>
>>> Emails like this coming from new guys makes me roll my eyes,
>>> especially
>>> early in the morning before I finish my cup of coffee.
>>> "actual Kitfox List
>>> web site"? "the List site is only way to go"?
>>> First off Steve, I appreciate your input. You seem like a fairly well
>>> informed guy, but Jim is right. You are having a
>>> configuration problem with
>>> your mailer, or perhaps it's the method you use to
>>> copy/paste. It isn't the
>>> other 500 people here, but you're making it their problem.
>>> Your emails are
>>> the only ones coming as Jim Crowder described. You've been
>>> told about it
>>> before, but apparently ignored it.
>>> Second, if there is an "actual Kitfox List web site" it would be
>>> Sportflight.com. Matronics is a mail server.
>>> And third, your opinion about "the List site viewing is only
>>> way to go" is
>>> noted, but what you don't seem to understand is that this
>>> list has been
>>> around for close to 20 years, gone through several mail list
>>> servers, and
>>> still has many of us old timers hanging on, as well as some
>>> charter members
>>> who kind of like the email version of the list. When we
>>> changed to Matt
>>> Dralle's Matronics server about two years ago there was no
>>> forum at that
>>> time, but was added about a year or so ago as an option.
>>> What is happening
>>> is that many new members are taking the forum option because
>>> they aren't
>>> aware of the email option and we're getting a mix of forum and email,
>>> probably in the neighborhood of 20/80. One of the big
>>> problems with the
>>> forum version is that for the 80 percent of us using the
>>> email version is
>>> that we often don't know what the forum contributor is
>>> talking about because
>>> he/she usually doesn't quote any part of the message they're
>>> responding to.
>>> Not a huge problem, but definitely an annoyance.
>>> Please check your configuration settings and set them to
>>> plain text so that
>>> we don't have to sift through all the html codes. A lot of us would
>>> appreciate it.
>>> Deke Morisse
>>> List Janitor/Manager/Administrator/whatever...
>>>
>>>
>>> > Sorry... I do realize that my post may show up somewhat
>>> "corrupted" when
>>> read through misc. e-mail clients. All I can say is when
>>> viewed using the
>>> actual Kitfox List web site
>>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewforum.php?f=8&sid=83b6acbe5602
>>> af72d6c023eab4688518
>>> > all will be right and legible.
>>> > I sometimes compose using Microsoft works, then cut and
>>> paste to the List
>>> Message Body window, and this might be a cause of corrupted
>>> e-mail. It does
>>> not affect the List site viewing.
>>> >
>>> > I post right to the site, and forget that others receive
>>> through e-mail.
>>> While I regret the e-mail corruption, it is not my intention
>>> to send e-mail
>>> to every viewerreader. IMHO, the List site is the only way to go.
>>> > Thanks for the input.
>>> > Steve
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Read this topic online here:
>>> >
>>> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=101168#101168
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
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Subject: | Re: Source code in posts - Off topic |
Best idea I've heard yet.
Deke
do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: "akflyer" <akflyer_2000@yahoo.com>
Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2007 9:51 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Source code in posts - Off topic
>
> does anyone else want to start a forum, where we can talk about these
killer planes and enjoy ourselves? I know the old buggers here provide alot
of great info, and some were the founding fathers.. but holy crap.. the last
time I saw so many old people get pissed over nothing was at a damn BINGO
hall...
>
> I like to enjoy life, and I dont mind admitting it!
>
> let me know if anyone want to have fun and still trade info and I will
start a new forum
>
> --------
> Leni
> Avid C W/582
> 1260 full lotus
>
> .......DO NOT ARCHIVE.....
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=101330#101330
>
>
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Subject: | Re: Source code in posts - Off topic |
Leni,
I'll second that. Certain people with certain personalities can just
get pissed at the least little old thing. I say "don't sweat the small
stuff" have you not watched the news lately or picked up a newspaper. If you
read something you don't like or agree with, do what I do, highlight and hit
shift+delete. OK I'll shut up now.
Roger Mac
please...DO NOT ARCHIVE.....
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of akflyer
Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2007 9:52 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Source code in posts - Off topic
does anyone else want to start a forum, where we can talk about these killer
planes and enjoy ourselves? I know the old buggers here provide alot of
great info, and some were the founding fathers.. but holy crap.. the last
time I saw so many old people get pissed over nothing was at a damn BINGO
hall...
I like to enjoy life, and I dont mind admitting it!
let me know if anyone want to have fun and still trade info and I will start
a new forum
--------
Leni
Avid C W/582
1260 full lotus
.......DO NOT ARCHIVE.....
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=101330#101330
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Subject: | Re: Cooling Question |
Lloyd,
I've been working with a lidar system on-board our aircraft for quite
some time. Part of the system is a coolant flow loop hooked to a
chiller. We have re-discovered some basic principles of fluid
mechanics. Namely that the smaller the diameter of the coolant line,
the greater the pressure drop, and the lower the flow rate. Also,
longer line lengths will increase pressure drop. I suspect you are
correct in thinking that the smaller diameter is causing problems.
That coupled with the length the coolant has to flow through the
core, compared to the length it flows through the parallel path is
also a factor. By paying attention to the inside diameter of all
fittings, hoses and tubing, you can change the flow rates in
different parts of the system. Larger diameters=more flow. Anyone
else have any thoughts?
Mike
On Mar 17, 2007, at 3:01 PM, Cudnohufsky's wrote:
> <7suds@chartermi.net>
>
> All,
> I am in the process of repiaring my damaged 5 and am reinstalling
> the cooling system for the engine. Previous owner was using a
> heater core under the instrument panel with a small fan for cabin
> heat. It was plumbed in parrallel into the system with a shutoff
> valve ahead of the heater core, that plumbing was plugged off when
> I recieved it so I conclude he was having problems with it flowing
> and disconnected it from the system. The in / out on the heater
> core is slightly smaller than the rest of the system and also has a
> restrictor plug in one end and I suspect that was his problem, if
> he opend the valve to the heater core it would not flow very well
> because the fluid would take the path of least resistance across
> the parallel route. My thought was to remove the restrictor plug,
> again plumb in parallel but put the shut off in the parallel bypass
> instead of the heater core thus forcing the coolant through the
> heater core, but since the heater core is smaller dia connections I
> would have to limit the shut oof so I would not be able to
> completley close off the bypass. That's my thinking, has anyone
> tried this and had success or failure? Anyone out there running a
> heater core for cabin heat? Any thoughts on how to best hook up the
> system?
>
> Lloyd
>
>
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Hello Lowell and Noel,
I think we agree that any composite construction, being polyester or
epoxy with glass-fibre, carbon-fibre or Kevlar, has an optimal
proportion ratio that ensure best strength-weight ratio, whether for
maritime, aviation or industrial use - it is the same.
I don't know about the US but in the UK, it is often called GRP (glass
reinforced plastic) and I think it's a misnomer because some may think
of it as e.g. a cement construction that is reinforced with steel rods
or mesh. What it is, really, is a glass-fibre construction where the
fibre is glued together with a resin. A GRP boat is mostly a glass boat
but I understand that some may not like the thought of it! :-)
NOTE: I hesitated to call this thread OFF-TOPIC because, after all,
some of us make cowlings, etc. out of composite material including
resin. However, I have added Do not archive to all my postings on the
subject. I don't think it's worth archiving.
Regarding the flame going on now, I'll stay out of it but, please,
don't split the list into two! The power of it is the sum of all the
members, even the not-so-whatever ones who may pester some with
off-topic one-liners.
Cheers,
Michel
do not archive
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Thanks Michel
I must have inadvertently hit a raw nerve with Don last night. That happens
both ways and certainly isn't worth continuing.
There have been several instances when Don has properly corrected me on not
using the do not archive statement. I receive several lists and the
Matronics one is the only one that uses the DNA statement so yes I miss it
....often. Never intentionally.
It has been a few years now since I have used bagging schedules and I must
admit I never considered that Yachts would be made in that manner. Building
an autoclave big enough is just one problem.
Within a few miles of my home there is a small company who still makes
composite fishing boats with a spray up technique. They were showing me
their heavy dense wood keel that were sandwiched into the boats during
construction. I expect their boats which do use an epoxy resin are closer
to 50/50 than 70/30. Their boats are certainly durable. Some of them are
used year round in ice laden waters. I have no doubt that their
construction methods are much heavier and not nearly as strong as the method
you have described but they may be more durable for the use they receive.
Noel
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
> Michel Verheughe
> Sent: Sunday, March 18, 2007 11:16 AM
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Resin
>
>
>
> Hello Lowell and Noel,
> I think we agree that any composite construction, being polyester or
> epoxy with glass-fibre, carbon-fibre or Kevlar, has an optimal
> proportion ratio that ensure best strength-weight ratio, whether for
> maritime, aviation or industrial use - it is the same.
>
> I don't know about the US but in the UK, it is often called
> GRP (glass
> reinforced plastic) and I think it's a misnomer because some
> may think
> of it as e.g. a cement construction that is reinforced with
> steel rods
> or mesh. What it is, really, is a glass-fibre construction where the
> fibre is glued together with a resin. A GRP boat is mostly a
> glass boat
> but I understand that some may not like the thought of it! :-)
>
> NOTE: I hesitated to call this thread OFF-TOPIC because, after all,
> some of us make cowlings, etc. out of composite material including
> resin. However, I have added Do not archive to all my postings on the
> subject. I don't think it's worth archiving.
> Regarding the flame going on now, I'll stay out of it but, please,
> don't split the list into two! The power of it is the sum of all the
> members, even the not-so-whatever ones who may pester some with
> off-topic one-liners.
>
> Cheers,
> Michel
>
> do not archive
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Subject: | Re: Source code in posts - Off topic |
I am a bit confused here. It seems quite OK for the chatty ones to do and
say what they want in the list and almost demand to be respected for it but
it is quite NOT OK for others to do and say what they expect with the list.
And this despite the fact that their comments are well within the intents of
the list guidelines.
I received a note last evening from a long time member and valuable
contributor. The essence of his post was that it has been successful for a
long time and why risk the continued success with a new list direction.
There have been a couple of rebellions in the past that I am aware of where
a new list was started more in keeping with what some thought a forum should
be. The Lazair Kitfox forum was the latest. It disappeared last Summer I
presume, according to their web page. None have lasted more than a couple of
years.
I would certainly hope that a bit more respect could be shown to some of the
veterans when all they are doing is expressing opinions. Why is it OK for
one faction to become "P**** and the other side it is some sort of age
related dementia. In fact I can't remember a single incidence of irritation
from one of the senior members of the list being punctuated by gutter talk.
Lowell
----- Original Message -----
From: "Roger McConnell" <rdmac@swbell.net>
Sent: Sunday, March 18, 2007 5:00 AM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re: Source code in posts - Off topic
>
> Leni,
> I'll second that. Certain people with certain personalities can just
> get pissed at the least little old thing. I say "don't sweat the small
> stuff" have you not watched the news lately or picked up a newspaper. If
> you
> read something you don't like or agree with, do what I do, highlight and
> hit
> shift+delete. OK I'll shut up now.
>
> Roger Mac
> please...DO NOT ARCHIVE.....
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of akflyer
> Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2007 9:52 PM
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Source code in posts - Off topic
>
>
> does anyone else want to start a forum, where we can talk about these
> killer
> planes and enjoy ourselves? I know the old buggers here provide alot of
> great info, and some were the founding fathers.. but holy crap.. the last
> time I saw so many old people get pissed over nothing was at a damn BINGO
> hall...
>
> I like to enjoy life, and I dont mind admitting it!
>
> let me know if anyone want to have fun and still trade info and I will
> start
> a new forum
>
> --------
> Leni
> Avid C W/582
> 1260 full lotus
>
> .......DO NOT ARCHIVE.....
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=101330#101330
>
>
>
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Subject: | Re: Bleeding brakes |
I've bled my brakes a couple of times (I had to replace wheel
cylinder O-rings once) since I built my plane, and I use the oilcan
method, combined with counting the number of strokes of the pumper.
When I get to about 40 strokes, I measure the amount (with a dip
stick) of fluid in the master reservoir, and if it is within a half-
inch of being full, I suction it out with a small hypodermic. This
method does not allow for ANY mess, if you pay attention, and refill
the oilcan often, and check the master reservoir and reduce the
volume when near full.
I found out the number of strokes needed by filling the master
cylinder directly with the oilcan. This told me the maximum number of
strokes to be applied (while bleeding) before the master cylinder
should be emptied.
My plane has Cleveland master cylinders, Matco wheel cylinders, and
one master reservoir.
Lynn
On Mar 17, 2007, at 7:00 PM, Noel Loveys wrote:
> I start, surprisingly, by draining my brake system down enough to
> be sure there will be no bubbles in the brake lines or master
> cylinder. Then I use a $1.95 pumper style oil can with a bit of
> clear tubing pushed on over the end and put the other end on the
> bleeding nipple. I use the small pump in the oil can to drive
> fluid into the wheel cylinder and back through the system. Takes
> around a can full (~3 oz.) of fluid to fill the brake system.
>
> You know when it is done by closing the bleeder and having a good
> solid brake. Just incase I put too much fluid in the system I wrap
> the base of master cylinder/ reservoir with a rag. Three times out
> of four I don't need it. Using a barb nipple in the top of the
> reservoir to create a closed loop as far as I can see will cause a
> bit more mess but never the less is interesting.
>
>
> Noel
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Do not archive
An absolutely perfect example of a post that has not one thing related to
Kitfox building or flying that should have been sent direct. To quote Don
Smythe "this is not a chat room"
Lowell
----- Original Message -----
From: "Noel Loveys" <noelloveys@yahoo.ca>
Sent: Sunday, March 18, 2007 6:43 AM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Resin - OT
>
> Thanks Michel
>
> I must have inadvertently hit a raw nerve with Don last night. That
> happens
> both ways and certainly isn't worth continuing.
>
> There have been several instances when Don has properly corrected me on
> not
> using the do not archive statement. I receive several lists and the
> Matronics one is the only one that uses the DNA statement so yes I miss it
> ....often. Never intentionally.
>
> It has been a few years now since I have used bagging schedules and I must
> admit I never considered that Yachts would be made in that manner.
> Building
> an autoclave big enough is just one problem.
>
> Within a few miles of my home there is a small company who still makes
> composite fishing boats with a spray up technique. They were showing me
> their heavy dense wood keel that were sandwiched into the boats during
> construction. I expect their boats which do use an epoxy resin are closer
> to 50/50 than 70/30. Their boats are certainly durable. Some of them are
> used year round in ice laden waters. I have no doubt that their
> construction methods are much heavier and not nearly as strong as the
> method
> you have described but they may be more durable for the use they receive.
>
> Noel
>
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
>> Michel Verheughe
>> Sent: Sunday, March 18, 2007 11:16 AM
>> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Resin
>>
>>
>>
>> Hello Lowell and Noel,
>> I think we agree that any composite construction, being polyester or
>> epoxy with glass-fibre, carbon-fibre or Kevlar, has an optimal
>> proportion ratio that ensure best strength-weight ratio, whether for
>> maritime, aviation or industrial use - it is the same.
>>
>> I don't know about the US but in the UK, it is often called
>> GRP (glass
>> reinforced plastic) and I think it's a misnomer because some
>> may think
>> of it as e.g. a cement construction that is reinforced with
>> steel rods
>> or mesh. What it is, really, is a glass-fibre construction where the
>> fibre is glued together with a resin. A GRP boat is mostly a
>> glass boat
>> but I understand that some may not like the thought of it! :-)
>>
>> NOTE: I hesitated to call this thread OFF-TOPIC because, after all,
>> some of us make cowlings, etc. out of composite material including
>> resin. However, I have added Do not archive to all my postings on the
>> subject. I don't think it's worth archiving.
>> Regarding the flame going on now, I'll stay out of it but, please,
>> don't split the list into two! The power of it is the sum of all the
>> members, even the not-so-whatever ones who may pester some with
>> off-topic one-liners.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Michel
>>
>> do not archive
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
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Subject: | Re: Source code in posts - Off topic |
"Respect is the objective, unbiased consideration and regard for the rights, values,
beliefs and property of all people. Kant's categorical imperative as well
as what is commonly understood of being a gentleman incorporate the concept
of respect."
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Respect
Don't confuse respect due with a superiority complex.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superiority_complex
"Behaviors related to this mechanism may include an exaggeratedly positive opinion
of ones worth and abilities, unrealistically high expectations in goals and
achievements for oneself and others, vanity, extravagant style in dressing (with
intention of drawing attention), pride, sentimentalism and affected exaltation,
snobbism, a tendency to discredit others opinions, forcefulness aimed at
dominating those considered as weaker or less important, credulity, and others."
Earn it, don't demand it. If it's not to late....
steve
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Subject: | Re: Source code in posts - Off topic |
hmmm.. You may be partially correct.. and while SOMEONE may not have posted it
on the "list" they were not bashfull about sending out a kick in the nutts moaning
about how the list has been taken over by KF "Flyers" and not "Builders".
Well what the heck.. I will give it a shot.. Give me a few days and
www.avidfoxflyers.com will be up and running.
I still plan on reading this forum everyday, but I will try to limit my posts on
this site so the all knowing superduper way darn smarter than me wont have to
take a nitro pill.
If you want to be able to have a life and "chat away" drop by the "other site"
Deke.. dont break your arm patting yourself on the back for running off another
one...
Matt.. glad I could donate to help you pay the bills..
--------
Leni
Avid C W/582
1260 full lotus
.......DO NOT ARCHIVE.....
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John asks:
>Is anyone out there with a tri-gear willing to share the recorded
>weights of their three wheels?
Here are the empty weight values for my Model IV-1200 Speedster with
Rotax 912S engine (in pounds):
Left Main 252.0
Right Main 243.5
Nose Wheel 164.4
-----
659.9
Mike G.
N728KF
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Subject: | Droop tips -Crusie speeds mods. |
Well seeing that everyone is quick to post facts today , I have been
asking if anyone has actually changed from a Droop style tip to a newer
hoerner style tip with no success. Can I conclude that this has just
been for aesthetic only.?
I have mixed feelings at they both have there pros and cons.
Surely with all the years of expertise here we can come to a conclusion.
If is possible for a 582 Kitfox to cruise at 100 mph ? I am at 102 to
104 now WOT at low altitude (1500 asl) and 88 to 90 at cruise setting
on wheels.
Not sure what more can be done to get another 10% . Original Kitfox
info I think say cruise at 7500 asl is 105 mph. 582 just seems to
hit a brick wall and/or run out of torque.
Would be productive for all Kitfox Owners to be able to pick up a few
extra mph ?
Dave
----- Original Message -----
From: D. Fisher
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2007 10:59 AM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Droop tips -- opinions
So what is concensous on Droops tips,?
Has anyone actaully chnaged tips and have and results to share ?
----- Original Message -----
From: D. Fisher
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, March 03, 2007 9:29 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Droop tips
I am looking for anyone that has changed from Droop tips to the more
current hoerner style tip on a IV.
What was gained or lost if anything ?
I have mixed thoughts on Droop tips. Personally would a winglet
tip ( invested tip) now give better STOL ?
Open for comments.
Dave
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List">http://www.matron
href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
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Subject: | Re: Source code in posts - Off topic |
Any time you have 500 people participating in a group activity, such
as discussing Kitfox and Avid aircraft, you will have differences in
opinion. More fundamentally, you will also have different thoughts
on what the purpose of the group is, too.
Is this list a chat room? Is it a technical forum for aircraft
builders? Is it social hour for people who have no other friends?
It's all of the above and more. Do the various members have
different needs? Different technical abilities? Different means of
connecting to the group? Absolutely.
To make a group like this successful for as long as it has been in
existence requires a little effort on the part of its members.
Presumably, we are all here because we enjoy communicating with the
group. Is it so difficult to show a little consideration for the
other people on the list?
It's not much trouble to make sure your subject line has something to
do with your comments. It's not much trouble to add something like
"fluff" to a subject line to warn those with more technical tastes
that they can skip that message. It's not much trouble to keep your
attachments to a reasonable size since not everyone has broadband
internet access. It's not too much trouble to add "d* not archive"
to a message that has no relevance to future readers. It's not much
trouble to send text-only messages so that everyone can read them.
This isn't about freedom of speech. We are all guests here at the
pleasure of the list management. Nobody here has any rights here
except for Matt Dralle who owns the list servers. It's about acting
like civilized human beings. It's about cutting the other guy a
little slack.
It's about realizing that you're not the only one on the list.
Mike G.
N728KF
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Subject: | Re: Source code in posts - Off topic |
I wouldn't worry about it Lowell. I was taken to task for some minor thing a
few months back. I don't recall by who, I sure he does. He said he was
enforcing the "rules" and was a friend of Deke's and he was quite upset when
I was unimpressed. It only took a minute to discover that he was not above
participating in off topic "chatter" and neither is the current complainant
as a short search in the archives will discover.
The best thing to do is ignore it, try to respect the rules without going
nuts about it and try to help each other. Trying to force other people to
think the way you want them to is a stupid endeavor.
Do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net>
> I am a bit confused here. It seems quite OK for the chatty ones to do and
> say what they want in the list and almost demand to be respected for it
> but it is quite NOT OK for others to do and say what they expect with the
> list. And this despite the fact that their comments are well within the
> intents of the list guidelines.
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Subject: | Re: Source code in posts - Off topic |
Leni,
Please let us know when the new list www.avidfoxflyers.com is up and
running. I'll be pleased to join you there.
Clem
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of akflyer
Sent: Sunday, March 18, 2007 11:26 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Source code in posts - Off topic
hmmm.. You may be partially correct.. and while SOMEONE may not have
posted it on the "list" they were not bashfull about sending out a kick
in the nutts moaning about how the list has been taken over by KF
"Flyers" and not "Builders".
Well what the heck.. I will give it a shot.. Give me a few days and
will be up and running.
I still plan on reading this forum everyday, but I will try to limit my
posts on this site so the all knowing superduper way darn smarter than
me wont have to take a nitro pill.
If you want to be able to have a life and "chat away" drop by the "other
site"
Deke.. dont break your arm patting yourself on the back for running off
another one...
Matt.. glad I could donate to help you pay the bills..
--------
Leni
Avid C W/582
1260 full lotus
.......DO NOT ARCHIVE.....
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Subject: | Droop tips -Crusie speeds mods. |
No doubt the Hoerner tips would increase speed marginally. So would
strut
fairings and gas cap fairings. Wheel pants would help too and while we
are
at it give the windshield more rake. then you will want the heaviest
two
blade prop your PSRU can swing. With all this I still doubt you will
hit a
cruise of 100+mph.
I certainly don't think my B box swinging that little Ivo will come any
where near 100 even if I were to take the floats off.
I think the droops may give a bit better flight characteristics in
ground
effect. That makes them desirable for me.
Noel
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of D. Fisher
Sent: Sunday, March 18, 2007 3:02 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Droop tips -Crusie speeds mods.
Well seeing that everyone is quick to post facts today , I have been
asking
if anyone has actually changed from a Droop style tip to a newer hoerner
style tip with no success. Can I conclude that this has just been for
aesthetic only.?
I have mixed feelings at they both have there pros and cons.
Surely with all the years of expertise here we can come to a conclusion.
If is possible for a 582 Kitfox to cruise at 100 mph ? I am at 102 to
104
now WOT at low altitude (1500 asl) and 88 to 90 at cruise setting on
wheels.
Not sure what more can be done to get another 10% . Original Kitfox
info I
think say cruise at 7500 asl is 105 mph. 582 just seems to hit a
brick
wall and/or run out of torque.
Would be productive for all Kitfox Owners to be able to pick up a few
extra
mph ?
Dave
----- Original Message -----
From: D. Fisher <mailto:d@cfisher.com>
Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2007 10:59 AM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Droop tips -- opinions
So what is concensous on Droops tips,?
Has anyone actaully chnaged tips and have and results to share ?
----- Original Message -----
From: D. Fisher <mailto:d@cfisher.com>
Sent: Saturday, March 03, 2007 9:29 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Droop tips
I am looking for anyone that has changed from Droop tips to the more
current
hoerner style tip on a IV.
What was gained or lost if anything ?
I have mixed thoughts on Droop tips. Personally would a winglet tip (
invested tip) now give better STOL ?
Open for comments.
Dave
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List">http://www.matron
href
"http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
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Subject: | Price Reduced on Low Time Engine |
This add is also posted on Barnstormers with photos.
Currently mounted and running on a Kitfox 5. Contact myself or Jim
Crowder for details.
KITFOX 5 SUBARU ENGINE * $7,900 * PRICE SLASHED * Complete FWF package
for Kitfox 5 includes mount, accessories, cowling. Subaru 135 hp turbo,
CAP 140 Prop, Ellison EFS 3A throttle body, SS crossover exhaust, low
time, exc. running, many extras to include some gauges and battery
backup power system. $20K+ invested! Priced at less than parts cost! *
Contact Michael R. Couillard located Colorado Springs, CO USA *
Telephone: 719 481-6282 *
Mike Couillard
Business Development Manager
Aleut Management Services
5520 Tech Center Dr., Ste. 200
Colorado Springs CO 80919
Ph (719) 262-7196 / Fax (719) 623-0538
mike.couillard@aleutmgt.com
www.aleutmgt.com <http://www.aleutmgt.com/>
Our Service Today, Tomorrow's Benchmark!
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Subject: | Re: condensation |
=0AI have a hangar where the floor gets wet when it rains a downpou
r, can't seem to seal it well enough. So I put a heavy duty Sears dehu
midifier in the hangar and that keeps the air dry and dries the wet fl
oor very quickly.=0A ----- Original Message ----- =0A From: Lo
well Fitt<mailto:lcfitt@sbcglobal.net> =0A To: kitfox-list@matroni
cs.com<mailto:kitfox-list@matronics.com> =0A Sent: Wednesday, Marc
h 14, 2007 7:41 AM=0A Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: condensation=0A
@sbcglobal.net<mailto:lcfitt@sbcglobal.net>>=0A=0A The concrete
sealer I used was Radon Shield. I checked my records. No more =0A
cold "damp" floor - just cold.=0A=0A Lowell=0A ----- Orig
inal Message ----- =0A From: "D. Fisher" <d@cfisher.com<mailto:d@c
fisher.com>>=0A To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com<mailto:kitfox-list@
matronics.com>>=0A Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2007 3:26 AM=0A
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: condensation=0A=0A=0A Depends on y
our location alot but an unheated hanger you can do very little =0A
to stop this. Even ventilation will help but you got a cold damp flo
or about =0A 40Fto 50F or so and when air outside become warm and
moist it will =0A condensation somewhere. Everything in hangar wi
ll be like floor and the =0A moist air will condensate on it.
=0A=0A One thing that might help is get the inside insulated with
spray foam, we =0A have done that at several buildings and when t
hey not heated they never go =0A below freezing inside even with t
emps at - 30F outside. The Concrete floor =0A is the key as it ke
eps the floor at ground temps of 40F or so. Now if is =0A about
2$ a sqare foot here for 3 inch thick and it is R7 per inch and a
=0A total vapour barrier. We hae doen our house in it as well about
75% now as =0A we remodel it . After you use this stuff you will
wonder why anyone ever =0A uses fiberglas batt insulation. Once f
oamed you might be able to heat it to =0A keep it dry inside.
=0A=0A It is basically just like Dew.=0A=0A=0A Dave
=0A ----- Original Message ----- =0A From: Mike Chaney=0A
To: Kitfox (E-mail)=0A Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2007 2:23 PM
=0A Subject: Kitfox-List: condensation=0A=0A=0A This
is sort of off topic but still related.=0A=0A I'm in a new (
to me) metal hanger with concrete floor, Are there any =0A tricks
to reduce the condensation that forms on the airplane from time to
=0A time? I'm sure this isn't good on the plane.=0A=0A M
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Leni,
Here you want a forum I just set up in a few mins.....
http://cfisher.com/forum/kitfox
I'll look at it later, but if you feel the need , go for it .
Dave
----- Original Message -----
From: "akflyer" <akflyer_2000@yahoo.com>
Sent: Sunday, March 18, 2007 12:25 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Source code in posts - Off topic
>
> hmmm.. You may be partially correct.. and while SOMEONE may not have
> posted it on the "list" they were not bashfull about sending out a kick in
> the nutts moaning about how the list has been taken over by KF "Flyers"
> and not "Builders".
>
> Well what the heck.. I will give it a shot.. Give me a few days and
> www.avidfoxflyers.com will be up and running.
>
> I still plan on reading this forum everyday, but I will try to limit my
> posts on this site so the all knowing superduper way darn smarter than me
> wont have to take a nitro pill.
>
> If you want to be able to have a life and "chat away" drop by the "other
> site"
>
> Deke.. dont break your arm patting yourself on the back for running off
> another one...
>
> Matt.. glad I could donate to help you pay the bills..
>
> --------
> Leni
> Avid C W/582
> 1260 full lotus
>
> .......DO NOT ARCHIVE.....
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=101407#101407
>
>
>
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Does anyone have aircraft experience with this type of product
http://www2.northerntool.com/product-1/200329001.htm
My question is... would they close enough to lift a 6.00-6 tires off the floor.
I have used them with automobiles and they work great but the diameter is larger
naturally. The specs on these and others I have looked at always give a maximum
extension,distance, but no minimum.
Yes, I know I should call the mfg. but it's Sunday.
Thanks in advance,
steve
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Subject: | Re: Corrosion Protecting Aluminum |
do not archive
Test, No mail since Friday.
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Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com.
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Sorry dave.. I am in the middle of putting one up... I have a bunch of subforums
listed and will be adding more.
www.avidfoxflyers.com
I have a video subforum with your name on it lol...Postem up if ya want
--------
Leni
Avid C W/582
1260 full lotus
.......DO NOT ARCHIVE.....
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Subject: | Re: Source code in posts - Off topic |
clemwehner(at)sbcglobal.n wrote:
> Leni,
>
> Please let us know when the new list www.avidfoxflyers.com is up and
> running. I'll be pleased to join you there.
>
> Clem
>
> --
Its up and started.. just the begining I will be spening lots of time tweaking
and tuning, but for now you can call a spade a spade if you want to...
--------
Leni
Avid C W/582
1260 full lotus
.......DO NOT ARCHIVE.....
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Thanks for the advice guys and the links Dave. Lowell, John Mc will ship
the kits over to me. Just as easy and small packages wont be expensive.
Thanks for the offer.
Regards
Graeme
Do not archive.
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Come on Guys, John Perry's right, Life is to short. We all have
different opinions on things and email can have tragic outcomes for the
unwary. Im happy to just keep sucking up the knowledge no matter what
the topic. No more talk of break away groups, let just get on with it.
Regards
Graeme
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At 02:47 PM 3/18/2007 Sunday, you wrote:
>Come on Guys, John Perry's right, Life is to short. We all have different opinions
on things and email can have tragic outcomes for the unwary. Im happy to
just keep sucking up the knowledge no matter what the topic. No more talk of break
away groups, let just get on with it.
>
>Regards
>Graeme
I agree with Graeme. The break away groups serve to only fracture the group and
dilute the content. I've seen it happen before and that's exactly what happens.
Additionally, while some may have good intentions, in the long run, these
alternative sources come and go and all of the archive logging resources disappear
with them.
I have invested a large amount of time and money in providing a service here at
Matronics that will be available for a long time to come. All of the data is
backup nightly so if there is a problem, I can restore the content. I've been
doing this for 18 years, and I'm here to provide a long term quality service.
I humbly ask that everyone please reconsider this redistribution of service. The
problem is not the service (email/web/etc). We need to focus on being kind
and courteous to everyone and realize that we all have different backgrounds
and interests. Everyone is welcome here, regardless of their interest or experience.
Matt Dralle
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Leni, no problem , I have no intention of putting up one.
I just did that in a minute or two to show how easy it is.
Hey you went out and got a domain even !!
Actually I like forum better as you can add pictures and files with out
imparing the dial up users as most forums shrink the pics to thumbs.
Either way looks good :)
Dave
----- Original Message -----
From: "akflyer" <akflyer_2000@yahoo.com>
Sent: Sunday, March 18, 2007 5:03 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: new forum
>
> Sorry dave.. I am in the middle of putting one up... I have a bunch of
> subforums listed and will be adding more.
>
> www.avidfoxflyers.com
>
> I have a video subforum with your name on it lol...Postem up if ya want
>
> --------
> Leni
> Avid C W/582
> 1260 full lotus
>
> .......DO NOT ARCHIVE.....
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=101469#101469
>
>
>
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Subject: | Re: Source code in posts - Off topic |
Lowell,
I think that alot should not revolve around on who is a senoir member or
whatever. You have condoned me for making hundreds of posts in the past
and I just shrug it off.
But we must all go with the times and use each other's help to help each
other out. I feel that I have in the past gon out of my way to help out
others as well. This is a information sharing list,. forum or whatever ?
If you think otherwise please let us know.
There is life east of the rockies you know and pilots with over 25000 hours
as well .
Everyone has opinions and some have a vested interest but we all fly
Kitfoxes and that is the keyword "KITFOX "
Dave
----- Original Message -----
From: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net>
Sent: Sunday, March 18, 2007 11:21 AM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Source code in posts - Off topic
>
> I am a bit confused here. It seems quite OK for the chatty ones to do and
> say what they want in the list and almost demand to be respected for it
> but it is quite NOT OK for others to do and say what they expect with the
> list. And this despite the fact that their comments are well within the
> intents of the list guidelines.
>
> I received a note last evening from a long time member and valuable
> contributor. The essence of his post was that it has been successful for
> a long time and why risk the continued success with a new list direction.
>
> There have been a couple of rebellions in the past that I am aware of
> where a new list was started more in keeping with what some thought a
> forum should be. The Lazair Kitfox forum was the latest. It disappeared
> last Summer I presume, according to their web page. None have lasted more
> than a couple of years.
>
> I would certainly hope that a bit more respect could be shown to some of
> the veterans when all they are doing is expressing opinions. Why is it OK
> for one faction to become "P**** and the other side it is some sort of age
> related dementia. In fact I can't remember a single incidence of
> irritation from one of the senior members of the list being punctuated by
> gutter talk.
>
> Lowell
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Roger McConnell" <rdmac@swbell.net>
> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Sunday, March 18, 2007 5:00 AM
> Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re: Source code in posts - Off topic
>
>
>>
>> Leni,
>> I'll second that. Certain people with certain personalities can just
>> get pissed at the least little old thing. I say "don't sweat the small
>> stuff" have you not watched the news lately or picked up a newspaper. If
>> you
>> read something you don't like or agree with, do what I do, highlight and
>> hit
>> shift+delete. OK I'll shut up now.
>>
>> Roger Mac
>> please...DO NOT ARCHIVE.....
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of akflyer
>> Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2007 9:52 PM
>> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Source code in posts - Off topic
>>
>>
>> does anyone else want to start a forum, where we can talk about these
>> killer
>> planes and enjoy ourselves? I know the old buggers here provide alot of
>> great info, and some were the founding fathers.. but holy crap.. the last
>> time I saw so many old people get pissed over nothing was at a damn BINGO
>> hall...
>>
>> I like to enjoy life, and I dont mind admitting it!
>>
>> let me know if anyone want to have fun and still trade info and I will
>> start
>> a new forum
>>
>> --------
>> Leni
>> Avid C W/582
>> 1260 full lotus
>>
>> .......DO NOT ARCHIVE.....
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=101330#101330
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
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Matt:
My sentiments exactly. There is absolutely nothing to be gained by
fracturing the group and a great deal to be lost.
Let bygones be bygones and get on with enjoying the planes.
I feel somewhat responsible for what is unfolding as it was a comment I made
that precipitated a reply from another group member which started this talk
of a split in the group.
Noel
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
> Matt Dralle
> Sent: Sunday, March 18, 2007 7:32 PM
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Move on
>
>
>
> At 02:47 PM 3/18/2007 Sunday, you wrote:
> >Come on Guys, John Perry's right, Life is to short. We all
> have different opinions on things and email can have tragic
> outcomes for the unwary. Im happy to just keep sucking up the
> knowledge no matter what the topic. No more talk of break
> away groups, let just get on with it.
> >
> >Regards
> >Graeme
>
>
> I agree with Graeme. The break away groups serve to only
> fracture the group and dilute the content. I've seen it
> happen before and that's exactly what happens. Additionally,
> while some may have good intentions, in the long run, these
> alternative sources come and go and all of the archive
> logging resources disappear with them.
>
> I have invested a large amount of time and money in providing
> a service here at Matronics that will be available for a long
> time to come. All of the data is backup nightly so if there
> is a problem, I can restore the content. I've been doing
> this for 18 years, and I'm here to provide a long term
> quality service.
>
> I humbly ask that everyone please reconsider this
> redistribution of service. The problem is not the service
> (email/web/etc). We need to focus on being kind and
> courteous to everyone and realize that we all have different
> backgrounds and interests. Everyone is welcome here,
> regardless of their interest or experience.
>
> Matt Dralle
> Matronics Email List Admin.
>
>
> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>
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Subject: | Bing Carb Flooding |
Hi ! Guys,
I have a Bluehead 582 about 150 hours old so I would not
expect worn parts and they certainly look ok. However every now and then
the back carby floods. When it does I get rough running down low. If the
motor is not running then I get some dribbling out of those two little holes
in the vent loop. It only does it several weeks apart. If I pull the bowl I
can't find anything either in the bowl or needle and seat. It's a worry
because it drips on the muffler. In flight I just give it full throttle and
back off again and it's fine. On the ground if I pull the bowl off I find
nothing and all is fine when I put it back. Being intermittent like that it
makes it very hard to find. It's always only the back bowl and theoretically
nothing can get to the needle and seat anyway. I have a filter and a
gascolator. Any common problems like this or any ideas would be
appreciated. Thanks in advance, Rex.
rexjan@bigpond.com
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Many thanks to the three who have provided wheel weights for their tri-gears. Anyone
else out there who can give stats for their fox? If I can get a few more
responses, I can put together a chart that might prove highly useful to other
tri-gear kitfox builders (and myself) when trying to do rough weight and balance
work. Please provide model number and engine type. Bathroom scales work!
Many thanks.
John Sandt / Series 7 / Tri-gear / Corvair 110 / BRS / builder
From: Michael Gibbs <MichaelGibbs@cox.net>
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Weight
John asks:
>Is anyone out there with a tri-gear willing to share the recorded
>weights of their three wheels?
Here are the empty weight values for my Model IV-1200 Speedster with
Rotax 912S engine (in pounds):
Left Main 252.0
Right Main 243.5
Nose Wheel 164.4
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Mike G.
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