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1. 12:06 AM - Odyssey battery WAS: 2nd Flight-High Oil Temps (Michel Verheughe)
2. 07:02 AM - need a right wing ailron for a kitfox IV (Kent Leathers)
3. 07:07 AM - Re: Best prop was: Fuel consumption based on gallons per hour (kitfoxmike)
4. 08:00 AM - Re: Re: Best prop was: Fuel consumption based on gallons per hour (Clem Nichols)
5. 09:26 AM - Re: need a right wing ailron for a kitfox IV (Dave G.)
6. 10:25 AM - Re: Odyssey battery WAS: 2nd Flight-High Oil Temps (kitfoxmike)
7. 12:04 PM - Re: Re: Best prop was: Fuel consumption based on gallons per hour (Jim_and_Lucy Chuk)
8. 01:12 PM - Glassfiber tanks and ethanol - again (Michel Verheughe)
9. 01:12 PM - Re: 2nd Flight-High Oil Temps (Noel Loveys)
10. 01:25 PM - Re: Best prop was: Fuel consumption based on gallons per hour (kitfoxmike)
11. 01:25 PM - Re: Best prop was: Fuel consumption based on gallons per hour (kitfoxmike)
12. 01:31 PM - Desert Fox Fly-in. (Lowell Fitt)
13. 02:23 PM - Re: 2nd Flight-High Oil Temps (kurt schrader)
14. 02:37 PM - Vertical Fin Height...Model 2 or 3? (Anliker, Mark)
15. 04:25 PM - Re: Re: Odyssey battery WAS: 2nd Flight-High Oil Temps (Don Smythe)
16. 04:47 PM - Re: Re: Best prop was: Fuel consumption based on gallons per hour (Lowell Fitt)
17. 04:58 PM - Re: Glassfiber tanks and ethanol - again (Ted Palamarek)
18. 05:26 PM - Re: Glassfiber tanks and ethanol - again (Noel Loveys)
19. 05:31 PM - Re: Best prop was: Fuel consumption based on gallons per hour (kitfoxmike)
20. 06:08 PM - Re: Re: Odyssey battery WAS: 2nd Flight-High Oil Temps (Noel Loveys)
21. 06:39 PM - Re: Glassfiber tanks and ethanol - again (Bob)
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| Subject: | Odyssey battery WAS: 2nd Flight-High Oil Temps |
> From: Lynn Matteson [lynnmatt@jps.net]
> I have an Odyssey (corrected spelling via looking at my battery) 680
> battery, and it performs flawlessly.
Same engine, same battery, same experience!
However it may be that leaving the battery a long time without charging ... but
the remedy is, of course, to fly a lot!
(she) - What? You want to go and fly again?
(him) - But, darling, think of the cost of a new battery! :-)
Michel
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| Subject: | need a right wing ailron for a kitfox IV |
Hi! to all kitfox flyers.I am posting this message,in
hopes to find a right wing ailron for a Kitfox IV. I
had tail-looped my plane,and they say they can not
fix the ailron.....So I am in need of a right one or i
have a left one to sale,and get new set.If anyone can
help me.I would appreciate it.
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| Subject: | Re: Best prop was: Fuel consumption based on gallons per |
hour
The slug was a powerfin 68".
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speedster
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| Subject: | Re: Best prop was: Fuel consumption based on gallons |
per hour
Does this mean that your previous post was not an April Fool's joke? :>)
Clem Nichols
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From: "kitfoxmike" <customtrans@qwest.net>
Sent: Monday, April 02, 2007 9:06 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Best prop was: Fuel consumption based on gallons
per hour
>
> The slug was a powerfin 68".
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> model IV, 1200
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| Subject: | Re: need a right wing ailron for a kitfox IV |
I'm sure John McBean at Kitfox coulkd supply one. Try this link
http://www.sportplanellc.com/
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From: "Kent Leathers" <to_damn_yankee@yahoo.com>
Sent: Monday, April 02, 2007 11:01 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: need a right wing ailron for a kitfox IV
> <to_damn_yankee@yahoo.com>
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> Hi! to all kitfox flyers.I am posting this message,in
> hopes to find a right wing ailron for a Kitfox IV. I
> had tail-looped my plane,and they say they can not
> fix the ailron.....So I am in need of a right one or i
> have a left one to sale,and get new set.If anyone can
> help me.I would appreciate it.
>
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| Subject: | Re: Odyssey battery WAS: 2nd Flight-High Oil Temps |
I have the Odyssey 535, this battery is great, never had an issue in over 3 years.
I fly virtually every day rain, shine, wind, snow... engine starts everytime.
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model IV, 1200
speedster
912ul
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| Subject: | Re: Best prop was: Fuel consumption based on gallons |
per hour
Was it a 3 blade with the F blades? (like I have hanging on my wall and was
thinking about trying on my Avid) Also, which IVO blades do you have,
ultralight or mediums? Thanks, Jim Chuk
>From: "kitfoxmike" <customtrans@qwest.net>
>To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Best prop was: Fuel consumption based on gallons
>per hour
>Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2007 07:06:49 -0700
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>
>The slug was a powerfin 68".
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>model IV, 1200
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| Subject: | Glassfiber tanks and ethanol - again |
Hello Kitfoxers,
From the Jabiru list, I got an email that might interest us. Here it is:
> There is a product called PRC, which the airlines and military use to
> seal fuel tanks. It lasts for decades. I've mentioned it before.
> The thinnest version is PR1422A2. That gives a pot life of 2 hours
> and a cure time of 24 hours. The cleaner for this sealant is MEK.
> You do this outdoors ONLY, Your back to the wind.
> 1. Remove the fuel and vents line and cap. If you have a fuel
> quantity sender in the tank remove before sealing. 2. Clean the tank
> out carefully with MEK, (Wear a mask for organic solvents and rubber
> gloves and goggles)
> 3. Mix the catalyst into the sealant and stir for 5 minutes (Min 70F
> or 20C)
> 4. Then you add MEK to the sealant. Mix for 5 minutes with a power
> mixer. Thin until the sealant will run. (depending on the size of my
> tank, I might use a quart of the PRC/MEK mixture.
> 5. Pour the mixed sealant into the tank and seal the refueling
> adapter.
> 6. Then you do whatever you have to (turn, brush, slosh) to get 100%
> inner tank coverage. (use a mirror to inspect.
> 7. You turn the tank upside down to drain the excess sealant out.
> 8. Leave to cure for 24 hours with the tank cap removed.
> 9. Clean the mating/sealing surface where the fuel cap goes. Clean
> the mating surfaces/connections for the fuel sender.
> 10. After 24 hours, carefully clean out the adapters for the fuel and
> vent lines.
> 11. Reinstall the fuel quantity sender or connections.
> 12. Reconnect the fuel and vent lines and test the flow, ie drain
> fuel into a can and calculate flow per hour.
> 13, Test the fuel quantity indication. and check for leaks.
> 14. After a ground run, replace the fuel filter and clean the
> gascolator screen/filter, and check for leaks. .
> 15. Fly
>
> All the usual caveats apply.
>
Cheers,
Michel
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| Subject: | 2nd Flight-High Oil Temps |
There is one unit out there mad by Pulse that actually takes power from the
battery to charge up a capacitor that then dumps the charge back into the
battery as a low voltage pulse. That unit is connected across the terminals
of the battery permanently. From what I understand it does the best
possible job of preventing any sulphating.
Noel
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> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
> kurt schrader
> Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2007 11:33 PM
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: 2nd Flight-High Oil Temps
>
>
> <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
>
> Don,
>
> I have one of those $25 battery desulfator/chargers on
> my plane's battery right now. It is supposed to
> double your battery life, especially for infrequent
> use.
>
> The thing puts out very short pulses of high voltage,
> so low current, to knock the sulfate off the plates.
> I just started using it this year, so can't confirm it
> works. But for $25, saving one battery change covers
> it.
>
> Kurt S. S-5/NSI turbo
>
> --- Don Smythe <dosmythe@cox.net> wrote:
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> > David,
> > Speaking of the Odessay 680, that is the battery
> > that's giving me problems right now..........
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| Subject: | Re: Best prop was: Fuel consumption based on gallons per |
hour
the powerfin is the f-72 shortened to 68". The IVO is the ultralight prop. Thing
is I feel I've wasted all this flying time with a S L O W or D O G prop.
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model IV, 1200
speedster
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| Subject: | Re: Best prop was: Fuel consumption based on gallons per |
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sorry 3 blade powerfin. The IVO is 3 blade.
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| Subject: | Desert Fox Fly-in. |
Got back home from the Desert Fox Fly-in and must say it was the best ever.
We met up with the Idaho No. Nevada contingent at Overton, just north of
Lake Mead and arrived at Thunder Ridge as a flight of ten. Stan and Cara
were great the facilities and food was great, those that flew in were great.
Had an opportunity to see Guy Buchanan again and his airplane is very quick
behind his 582. He was planning on continuing East for a bit when he left,
but will probably report also when he gets back.
Thanks Cara and Stan and everyone else. Let's do it agian.
The Cameron Park fly-in will be on the 9th of June. Visit
http://cameronparkkitfox.com for info.
Lowell
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| Subject: | 2nd Flight-High Oil Temps |
Thanks for finding that Noel,
I've been looking for that type of unit.
There are +/- to each type. The plug-in type type
needs to have an outside source of power, but it
doesn't take power from the battery to work. It
maintains the charge.
The Pulse type aparently can be kept in place, but it
would seem you need to recharge the battery by use, or
external power, if use is infrequently. Operation of
the unit has to have some electrical cost.
I worry about any items that are hot off the battery
being jolted by both units, if left in place.
Probably not a problem on a plane with no clock
running on the battery, etc. But a car battery still
may power on-board computers, clocks, radio clocks and
memory, etc and these may not like the big jolt, no
matter how short the duration. I am onlu using mine
out of the plane.
Also I have a backup battery with the red top - the
capacitor - that I think would negate the effect from
either type. Lots of money could be saved if I don't
have to replace that thing too often.
If the Pulse Unit is low voltage, it may not be a
problem, but then how effective can it be for knocking
the sulfate off the cells?
I need to look into these further.
Thanks again Noel,
Kurt S. S-5
--- Noel Loveys <noelloveys@yahoo.ca> wrote:
> There is one unit out there mad by Pulse that
> actually takes power from the
> battery to charge up a capacitor that then dumps the
> charge back into the
> battery as a low voltage pulse. That unit is
> connected across the terminals
> of the battery permanently. From what I understand
> it does the best
> possible job of preventing any sulphating.
>
> Noel
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| Subject: | Vertical Fin Height...Model 2 or 3? |
Trying to determine if my friend has a Model 2 or Model 3 Kitfox.
Vertical fin height was measured as 44". Rudder height was measured as
43.25". Would appreciate replies from those with ready access to their
Kitfox and a tape measure. Thanks.
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| Subject: | Re: Odyssey battery WAS: 2nd Flight-High Oil Temps |
I guess I started the concern over the Odyssey battery with my current
starter problem. As part of my troubleshooting I had my Odyssey 680 tested
today by a battery specialist company. My Odyssey is 100% in good working
order both static and under load test. Back to troubleshooting. The
battery ain't tha problem.
Don Smythe
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----- Original Message -----
From: "kitfoxmike" <customtrans@qwest.net>
Sent: Monday, April 02, 2007 1:24 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Odyssey battery WAS: 2nd Flight-High Oil Temps
>
> I have the Odyssey 535, this battery is great, never had an issue in over
> 3 years. I fly virtually every day rain, shine, wind, snow... engine
> starts everytime.
>
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> kitfoxmike
> model IV, 1200
> speedster
> 912ul
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| Subject: | Re: Best prop was: Fuel consumption based on gallons |
per hour
I think in the interest of fairness and letting it all hang out. On the
various flights to, during and from the fly-in in arizona a couple of
things.
The flyijng buddy with the PowerFin has a screamer. Somehow one of the
fastest airplanes in the group. And we made two remote field landings to
service the electrics on two of the IVOs. One from a loose wire and the
other a stuck brush. In both instances the prop would not move to coarse
pitch leaving the pilots unable to keep up in the group flights.
Lowell
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From: "kitfoxmike" <customtrans@qwest.net>
Sent: Monday, April 02, 2007 1:25 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Best prop was: Fuel consumption based on gallons
per hour
>
> the powerfin is the f-72 shortened to 68". The IVO is the ultralight
> prop. Thing is I feel I've wasted all this flying time with a S L O W or D
> O G prop.
>
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> model IV, 1200
> speedster
> 912ul
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| Subject: | Glassfiber tanks and ethanol - again |
Michel
Just looked up the info on the tank sealant and there is only mention of it
being suitable for jet fuel and aviation gas. Below is the quote from their
site.
............................................................................
.........................
PR-1422 Class A is an aircraft integral fuel tank sealant. It has a service
temperature range from -54C (-65F) to 121C (250F), with intermittent
excursions up to 135C (275F). This material is designed for brush sealing of
fasteners in fuel tanks and other aircraft fuselage sealing applications.
The
cured sealant maintains excellent elastomeric properties after prolonged
exposure to both jet fuel and aviation gas.
............................................................................
................................
Looks like we are still looking for a good sloshing compound that will with
stand automotive fuel that contains some ethanol or methanol.
Cheers
Ted
Edmonton, Ab
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-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michel
Verheughe
Sent: April 2, 2007 2:11 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Glassfiber tanks and ethanol - again
Hello Kitfoxers,
From the Jabiru list, I got an email that might interest us. Here it is:
> There is a product called PRC, which the airlines and military use to
> seal fuel tanks. It lasts for decades. I've mentioned it before.
> The thinnest version is PR1422A2. That gives a pot life of 2 hours
> and a cure time of 24 hours. The cleaner for this sealant is MEK.
> You do this outdoors ONLY, Your back to the wind.
> 1. Remove the fuel and vents line and cap. If you have a fuel
> quantity sender in the tank remove before sealing. 2. Clean the tank
> out carefully with MEK, (Wear a mask for organic solvents and rubber
> gloves and goggles)
> 3. Mix the catalyst into the sealant and stir for 5 minutes (Min 70F
> or 20C)
> 4. Then you add MEK to the sealant. Mix for 5 minutes with a power
> mixer. Thin until the sealant will run. (depending on the size of my
> tank, I might use a quart of the PRC/MEK mixture.
> 5. Pour the mixed sealant into the tank and seal the refueling
> adapter.
> 6. Then you do whatever you have to (turn, brush, slosh) to get 100%
> inner tank coverage. (use a mirror to inspect.
> 7. You turn the tank upside down to drain the excess sealant out.
> 8. Leave to cure for 24 hours with the tank cap removed.
> 9. Clean the mating/sealing surface where the fuel cap goes. Clean
> the mating surfaces/connections for the fuel sender.
> 10. After 24 hours, carefully clean out the adapters for the fuel and
> vent lines.
> 11. Reinstall the fuel quantity sender or connections.
> 12. Reconnect the fuel and vent lines and test the flow, ie drain
> fuel into a can and calculate flow per hour.
> 13, Test the fuel quantity indication. and check for leaks.
> 14. After a ground run, replace the fuel filter and clean the
> gascolator screen/filter, and check for leaks. .
> 15. Fly
>
> All the usual caveats apply.
>
Cheers,
Michel
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| Subject: | Glassfiber tanks and ethanol - again |
Check with the folks that make PRC... I think you will find Ethanol will
make a nice meal of it. Then again there isn't much that is impervious to
Ethanol. I used ethanol to clean PRC off float skins. I was replacing
sister keels and the old PRC was probably applied by Moses when he was a
boy. It too time but the ethanol did the job.
Noel
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
> Michel Verheughe
> Sent: Monday, April 02, 2007 5:41 PM
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Glassfiber tanks and ethanol - again
>
>
>
> Hello Kitfoxers,
> From the Jabiru list, I got an email that might interest us.
> Here it is:
>
> > There is a product called PRC, which the airlines and
> military use to
> > seal fuel tanks. It lasts for decades. I've mentioned it before.
> > The thinnest version is PR1422A2. That gives a pot life of 2 hours
> > and a cure time of 24 hours. The cleaner for this sealant is MEK.
> > You do this outdoors ONLY, Your back to the wind.
> > 1. Remove the fuel and vents line and cap. If you have a fuel
> > quantity sender in the tank remove before sealing. 2. Clean
> the tank
> > out carefully with MEK, (Wear a mask for organic solvents
> and rubber
> > gloves and goggles)
> > 3. Mix the catalyst into the sealant and stir for 5
> minutes (Min 70F
> > or 20C)
> > 4. Then you add MEK to the sealant. Mix for 5 minutes with a power
> > mixer. Thin until the sealant will run. (depending on the
> size of my
> > tank, I might use a quart of the PRC/MEK mixture.
> > 5. Pour the mixed sealant into the tank and seal the refueling
> > adapter.
> > 6. Then you do whatever you have to (turn, brush, slosh)
> to get 100%
> > inner tank coverage. (use a mirror to inspect.
> > 7. You turn the tank upside down to drain the excess sealant out.
> > 8. Leave to cure for 24 hours with the tank cap removed.
> > 9. Clean the mating/sealing surface where the fuel cap
> goes. Clean
> > the mating surfaces/connections for the fuel sender.
> > 10. After 24 hours, carefully clean out the adapters for
> the fuel and
> > vent lines.
> > 11. Reinstall the fuel quantity sender or connections.
> > 12. Reconnect the fuel and vent lines and test the flow, ie drain
> > fuel into a can and calculate flow per hour.
> > 13, Test the fuel quantity indication. and check for leaks.
> > 14. After a ground run, replace the fuel filter and clean the
> > gascolator screen/filter, and check for leaks. .
> > 15. Fly
> >
> > All the usual caveats apply.
> >
>
> Cheers,
> Michel
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Best prop was: Fuel consumption based on gallons per |
hour
I think in the interest of fairness, I can hit a happy mediun with the IVO and
make it a fixed pitch and do better than the powerfin.
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speedster
912ul
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| Subject: | Re: Odyssey battery WAS: 2nd Flight-High Oil Temps |
Unless you have a burnt starter relay, a bad ground on the starter motor or
both then the problem is in the starter itself. I know on my plane (Kitfox
582) that is a royal pain in the butt to get out.
I have seen certified aircraft that started easily for years and suddenly
had problems cranking. The electrical ground had been passing some how
through the engine mounts and control cables for years until corrosion
started causing the problems. The installation of a good bonding braid
across the engine Lord mount cured the problem.
You can easily ring out the ground between the engine and the negative
terminal of the battery with a Volt/Ohm/Meter (VOM) if there is any
appreciable resistance showing then a bonding strap may help... It's cheap
too and relatively permanent.
On an old Datsun I had problems with the starter that turned out to be the
slightest bit of corrosion on the starter mount and the bolts that held the
starter to the engine block. Cleaning the end of the starter and part of
the housing it fit into with fine sand paper cured the problem. If the
engine has an aluminium mounting spot or the starter drive housing is
aluminium then aluminium oxide paper is recommended.
Hope this helps.
Noel
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
> Don Smythe
> Sent: Monday, April 02, 2007 8:54 PM
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Odyssey battery WAS: 2nd
> Flight-High Oil Temps
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> I guess I started the concern over the Odyssey battery with
> my current
> starter problem. As part of my troubleshooting I had my
> Odyssey 680 tested
> today by a battery specialist company. My Odyssey is 100% in
> good working
> order both static and under load test. Back to troubleshooting. The
> battery ain't tha problem.
>
> Don Smythe
> Do Not Archive
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> From: "kitfoxmike" <customtrans@qwest.net>
> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Monday, April 02, 2007 1:24 PM
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Odyssey battery WAS: 2nd
> Flight-High Oil Temps
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> <customtrans@qwest.net>
> >
> > I have the Odyssey 535, this battery is great, never had an
> issue in over
> > 3 years. I fly virtually every day rain, shine, wind,
> snow... engine
> > starts everytime.
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> > kitfoxmike
> > model IV, 1200
> > speedster
> > 912ul
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| Subject: | Re: Glassfiber tanks and ethanol - again |
Been using PRC for years and Noel's right, ethanol is used to clean it off your
skin. Well, the little that you can get off, anyway.
When real thin (as in sloshed) PRC comes loose in the tank it comes off in big
thin strips or sheets and has clogged coarse tank screens. Could probably find
some SDRs by searching for tank sealant, especially on Mooneys.
Bob
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