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1. 06:46 AM - Re: Battery box for Odyssey PC625 battery (Lynn Matteson)
2. 06:54 AM - Re: Flap usage (crazyivan)
3. 07:19 AM - REF: PRC - Glassfiber tanks and ethanol (Larry Martin)
4. 07:35 AM - Re: Flap usage (kitfoxmike)
5. 11:32 AM - Re: Battery box for Odyssey PC625 battery (Jose M. Toro)
6. 11:50 AM - Re: Re: Flap usage (RAY Gignac)
7. 12:37 PM - Re: Flap usage (n85ae)
8. 01:00 PM - Re: Re: Flap usage (Lowell Fitt)
9. 01:05 PM - Re: Battery box for Odyssey PC625 battery (Lowell Fitt)
10. 02:12 PM - Re: Battery box for Odyssey PC625 battery (Marin Streeter)
11. 03:04 PM - Re: Re: Flap usage (RAY Gignac)
12. 04:27 PM - Re: Flap usage (kitfoxmike)
13. 05:09 PM - Kitfox first flight (Tom Jones)
14. 05:14 PM - First flight photos (Tom Jones)
15. 05:20 PM - More first flight higher resolution (Tom Jones)
16. 05:29 PM - Re: Re: Flap usage (Randy Daughenbaugh)
17. 05:34 PM - Some more (Tom Jones)
18. 06:33 PM - Re: Re: Flap usage (kirk hull)
19. 06:37 PM - Re: Kitfox first flight (fox5flyer)
20. 07:49 PM - Tailwheel spring broke! (Nick Scholtes)
21. 08:53 PM - Re: Tailwheel spring broke! (Marin Streeter)
22. 11:22 PM - Re: First flight photos (Michel Verheughe)
23. 11:29 PM - Re: Tailwheel spring broke! (Michel Verheughe)
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| Subject: | Re: Battery box for Odyssey PC625 battery |
Jose-
You might try the battery box that Aircraft Spruce sells for the 680,
and shim it to fit your 625.
Lynn
On Apr 4, 2007, at 8:18 PM, Jose M. Toro wrote:
> Hi All:
>
> Where can I buy a battery box for a Odyssey PC625 battery?
>
> Thanks!
>
> Jose
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My 2 cents...Flaps are a tool to use when the job calls for it. Windy, gusty,
crosswind conditions, you probably don't want to use flaps. A real short runway
with big trees on the approach end, use flaps. Muddy wet grass, use flaps.
A lot of gravel, you might not want to use flaps.
Suggestion; on ideal days practice no-flap, partial flap, and full flap landings
& takeoffs. That way, you are always prepared and know your airplane's (and
your) capabilities.
--------
Dave
Speedster 912 UL
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| Subject: | REF: PRC - Glassfiber tanks and ethanol |
I looked into PRC a few years ago. Below is a couple of emails that we
exchanged. I gave up on PRC. You can draw your own conclusions.
I think that when my other tank gives up, I will use aluminum. To
counter the flexing, I plan to keep the "shell" of the fiberglass tanks,
and baffle, which is really a compression rib. I figure if I have 2
aluminum tanks, 1 on each side of the compression rib, attached to the
spars, that section should be as rigid as original. The other option is
12 gal aluminum tank behind the seat, but that may require more work and
that tubing wasn't designed to hold that amount of weight so it probably
won't be an option after all.
What do you think?
Larry
Larry wrote.....
Subject = Fuel Resistant CoatingsEC-776EC-776SR
Would these coatings be suitable to use in a fiberglass fuel tank to
seal and protect the fiberglass epoxy from being destroyed by ethanol in
today's gasoline? Could you suggest a product that may be suitable?
Thank you,
Larry
Here is the response from 3M
Thanks for contacting 3M. You got it! EC-776 would be an excellent
choice for your application. Feel confident in using it.
If you have further questions or need more information, I can be reached
directly at 1-800-285-3215, ext. 44.
Regards,
Maria Berglund
3M Industrial Markets
Technical Support Center
1-800-362-3550
Larry wrote:
Maria,
Thanks for your response. Could you please verify that this product
would be suitable in tanks containing ethanol gasoline? I thought a
supplier had indicated against it. Perhaps he is not up to date with
your product.
Thanks again,
Larry
...and her reply..
Thanks for contacting 3M. If you are putting it on the outside of the
tank, the 776 will be resistant to oil, gasoline, aromatic fuels, and
hydrocarbon fluid, and salt water. It is not recommended for use with
alcohol containing fuels, or jet fuel containing microbial organisms. I
believe ethanol would be considered "alcohol containing fuel" so I would
suppose you will need to consider this when using the 776. Hope that
helps.
If you have further questions or need more information, I can be reached
directly at 1-800-285-3215, ext. 44.
Regards,
Maria Berglund
3M Industrial Markets
Technical Support Center
1-800-362-3550
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I tell ya, now that I have a new prop, I also have a new plane. New plane new problems,
such as, it doesn't slow down on approach :( it wants to float so to
speak down the runway, the fan really blows good now. So, I'm having fun relearning
the plane. Last night I did nothing but touches, all kinds, I will say
the wheel landings are near perfect now, I don't get this drop just before landing
either. I played with the flaps, and I still don't like them on when landing,
now interesting enough, I did find that when I'm too fast, if I put the
flaps on all the way until I'm slowed down then release them, I find myself
landing just fine.
Conclusion, flaps should be used in accordance to your airplane and your type of
flying, nobody else can dictate the usage. So I guess what you need to do is
go out and experiment and have fun doing it.
--------
kitfoxmike
model IV, 1200
speedster
912ul
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| Subject: | Re: Battery box for Odyssey PC625 battery |
Lynn:
680 is longer than 625 (7.27" vs 6.70"), but is narrower (3.11" vs 3.90"). Have
you seen a box modified before? Seems like it will be too narrow for the 6257
Thanks!
Jos
----- Original Message ----
From: Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net>
Sent: Thursday, April 5, 2007 9:48:35 AM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Battery box for Odyssey PC625 battery
Jose-
You might try the battery box that Aircraft Spruce sells for the 680,
and shim it to fit your 625.
Lynn
On Apr 4, 2007, at 8:18 PM, Jose M. Toro wrote:
> Hi All:
>
> Where can I buy a battery box for a Odyssey PC625 battery?
>
> Thanks!
>
> Jose
>
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Ya know, I have the same situation with my Kitfox, I have the Model IV 1200
with 912uls! when I use flaps on landing, the fox wants to fly again! I
have the Warp Drive prop and I have 16 degrees pitch set, also I stay at
2000 rpm for idle. I mostly do wheel landings and find they work the best
for me.
Ray
>From: "kitfoxmike" <customtrans@qwest.net>
>To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Flap usage
>Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2007 07:35:04 -0700
>
>
>I tell ya, now that I have a new prop, I also have a new plane. New plane
>new problems, such as, it doesn't slow down on approach :( it wants to
>float so to speak down the runway, the fan really blows good now. So, I'm
>having fun relearning the plane. Last night I did nothing but touches, all
>kinds, I will say the wheel landings are near perfect now, I don't get this
>drop just before landing either. I played with the flaps, and I still
>don't like them on when landing, now interesting enough, I did find that
>when I'm too fast, if I put the flaps on all the way until I'm slowed down
>then release them, I find myself landing just fine.
>
>Conclusion, flaps should be used in accordance to your airplane and your
>type of flying, nobody else can dictate the usage. So I guess what you
>need to do is go out and experiment and have fun doing it.
>
>--------
>kitfoxmike
>model IV, 1200
>speedster
>912ul
>Do not archive
>
>
>Read this topic online here:
>
>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=105121#105121
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I never use flaps in mine, I fly nice slow approaches, I use slips for
glideslope control whenever I need them from up high, to almost
touchdown. I pretty much always 3-pt. my landings. I can tailwheel
first the landings with no trouble, and I can pretty much stop within
my planes own takeoff distance.
My opinion, is that the only benefit to the flaperons for landing my plane
is the sight picture is better over the nose. But they eat up elevator.
I can land and stop my plane just as easily and quickly with or without
them, so I simply don't use them. In my opinion they produce no usefull
amount of drag, so given the choice I don't use them.
I think the real issue with landing a Kitfox like mine, is just fly it SLOW.
That's like 1.3 Vso (Vso= ~35-40 x 1.3 = 45-52). That feels REALLY slow,
most pilots feel subconciously that it's too slow, and start sweating on a
45-50 mph approach, so the crank in an extra 10-15 mph to get back
into a cessnalike comfort zone. Floatcity.
When I first started flying it, I flew it like other planes ... Which led
to nothing but problems, with long floating touchdowns. Phase two I
started doing wheel landings. Which at the time, I thought were the
solution. But really, it was just a a bandage over the real problem,
which was my own fear of flying slow.
Now most of the time. I fly fairly fast base/final, and scrub off speed
on final with slips, and come across the wire around 50 unless it's windy
and gusty then depending I sometimes wheel land it, or just let it float a
bit longer than usual. If there's traffic, I generally fly a very tight, very
steep approach with lots of slip to get out of the way of the other fast
planes.
Jeff
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Ray,
I found that I floated a bit recently and determined that the cables had
apparently stretched a bit and I couldn't pull the throttle off to my
original set idle. I like the idle stops set so I can get about 1600 rpm at
idle max, but will always run while idling at 2000 or so. This way I can
pull to a lower idle on approach for shorter landings. A friend has his
idle stops set at zero rpm for really short landings, but I am not
comfortable with that idea yet.
If your stop is set at 2000 rpm, it might be set a tad high.
Lowell
----- Original Message -----
From: "RAY Gignac" <kitfoxpilot@msn.com>
Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2007 11:49 AM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re: Flap usage
>
> Ya know, I have the same situation with my Kitfox, I have the Model IV
> 1200 with 912uls! when I use flaps on landing, the fox wants to fly
> again! I have the Warp Drive prop and I have 16 degrees pitch set, also I
> stay at 2000 rpm for idle. I mostly do wheel landings and find they work
> the best for me.
>
> Ray
>
>
>>From: "kitfoxmike" <customtrans@qwest.net>
>>To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>>Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Flap usage
>>Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2007 07:35:04 -0700
>>
>>
>>I tell ya, now that I have a new prop, I also have a new plane. New plane
>>new problems, such as, it doesn't slow down on approach :( it wants to
>>float so to speak down the runway, the fan really blows good now. So, I'm
>>having fun relearning the plane. Last night I did nothing but touches,
>>all kinds, I will say the wheel landings are near perfect now, I don't get
>>this drop just before landing either. I played with the flaps, and I
>>still don't like them on when landing, now interesting enough, I did find
>>that when I'm too fast, if I put the flaps on all the way until I'm slowed
>>down then release them, I find myself landing just fine.
>>
>>Conclusion, flaps should be used in accordance to your airplane and your
>>type of flying, nobody else can dictate the usage. So I guess what you
>>need to do is go out and experiment and have fun doing it.
>>
>>--------
>>kitfoxmike
>>model IV, 1200
>>speedster
>>912ul
>>Do not archive
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>Read this topic online here:
>>
>>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=105121#105121
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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| Subject: | Re: Battery box for Odyssey PC625 battery |
Jose,
I bent a piece of SS into a "J" shape that cradles the battery and slotted
top and bottom for nylon strapping with velcro as a fastener. Adel clamps
fasten it to the framework. If the battery doesn't need a box to conatain
possible seepage of electrolyte, a simple fixture like this will work. The
Lancair guy did this on his, mounting two 12 v. batteries side-by-side in
series for his 24v. system, but he was comfortable with aluminum for the
tray.
Lowell
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jose M. Toro" <jose_m_toro@yahoo.com>
Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2007 11:31 AM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Battery box for Odyssey PC625 battery
>
> Lynn:
>
> 680 is longer than 625 (7.27" vs 6.70"), but is narrower (3.11" vs 3.90").
> Have you seen a box modified before? Seems like it will be too narrow for
> the 6257
>
> Thanks!
>
> Jos
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net>
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Thursday, April 5, 2007 9:48:35 AM
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Battery box for Odyssey PC625 battery
>
>
>
> Jose-
> You might try the battery box that Aircraft Spruce sells for the 680,
> and shim it to fit your 625.
>
> Lynn
> On Apr 4, 2007, at 8:18 PM, Jose M. Toro wrote:
>
>> Hi All:
>>
>> Where can I buy a battery box for a Odyssey PC625 battery?
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>> Jose
>>
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| Subject: | Battery box for Odyssey PC625 battery |
Jose
Try this site
http://www.rvwoody.com/battbox.html
Marin Streeter
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Lowell Fitt
Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2007 1:05 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Battery box for Odyssey PC625 battery
Jose,
I bent a piece of SS into a "J" shape that cradles the battery and slotted
top and bottom for nylon strapping with velcro as a fastener. Adel clamps
fasten it to the framework. If the battery doesn't need a box to conatain
possible seepage of electrolyte, a simple fixture like this will work. The
Lancair guy did this on his, mounting two 12 v. batteries side-by-side in
series for his 24v. system, but he was comfortable with aluminum for the
tray.
Lowell
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jose M. Toro" <jose_m_toro@yahoo.com>
Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2007 11:31 AM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Battery box for Odyssey PC625 battery
>
> Lynn:
>
> 680 is longer than 625 (7.27" vs 6.70"), but is narrower (3.11" vs 3.90").
> Have you seen a box modified before? Seems like it will be too narrow for
> the 6257
>
> Thanks!
>
> Jos
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net>
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Thursday, April 5, 2007 9:48:35 AM
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Battery box for Odyssey PC625 battery
>
>
>
> Jose-
> You might try the battery box that Aircraft Spruce sells for the 680,
> and shim it to fit your 625.
>
> Lynn
> On Apr 4, 2007, at 8:18 PM, Jose M. Toro wrote:
>
>> Hi All:
>>
>> Where can I buy a battery box for a Odyssey PC625 battery?
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>> Jose
>>
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I have the idle rpm set at 2000, Lockwood said that was a good rpm for the
912uls! I gotta admitt, it takes longer to slow down!! I was thinking of
1700 or 1800 for idle rpm. One thing I noticed, when the engine warms up,
it bumps up to 2000, but when cold 1800! What am I doing wrong?
Ray
>From: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net>
>To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Flap usage
>Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2007 12:59:41 -0700
>
>
>Ray,
>
>I found that I floated a bit recently and determined that the cables had
>apparently stretched a bit and I couldn't pull the throttle off to my
>original set idle. I like the idle stops set so I can get about 1600 rpm
>at idle max, but will always run while idling at 2000 or so. This way I
>can pull to a lower idle on approach for shorter landings. A friend has
>his idle stops set at zero rpm for really short landings, but I am not
>comfortable with that idea yet.
>
>If your stop is set at 2000 rpm, it might be set a tad high.
>
>Lowell
>
>----- Original Message ----- From: "RAY Gignac" <kitfoxpilot@msn.com>
>To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
>Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2007 11:49 AM
>Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re: Flap usage
>
>
>>
>>Ya know, I have the same situation with my Kitfox, I have the Model IV
>>1200 with 912uls! when I use flaps on landing, the fox wants to fly
>>again! I have the Warp Drive prop and I have 16 degrees pitch set, also I
>>stay at 2000 rpm for idle. I mostly do wheel landings and find they work
>>the best for me.
>>
>>Ray
>>
>>
>>>From: "kitfoxmike" <customtrans@qwest.net>
>>>To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>>>Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Flap usage
>>>Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2007 07:35:04 -0700
>>>
>>>
>>>I tell ya, now that I have a new prop, I also have a new plane. New plane
>>>new problems, such as, it doesn't slow down on approach :( it wants to
>>>float so to speak down the runway, the fan really blows good now. So, I'm
>>>having fun relearning the plane. Last night I did nothing but touches,
>>>all kinds, I will say the wheel landings are near perfect now, I don't
>>>get this drop just before landing either. I played with the flaps, and I
>>>still don't like them on when landing, now interesting enough, I did find
>>>that when I'm too fast, if I put the flaps on all the way until I'm
>>>slowed down then release them, I find myself landing just fine.
>>>
>>>Conclusion, flaps should be used in accordance to your airplane and your
>>>type of flying, nobody else can dictate the usage. So I guess what you
>>>need to do is go out and experiment and have fun doing it.
>>>
>>>--------
>>>kitfoxmike
>>>model IV, 1200
>>>speedster
>>>912ul
>>>Do not archive
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>Read this topic online here:
>>>
>>>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=105121#105121
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
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Mine is set for about 1600 if I pull it back as far as it will go. When landing
and about to touch having it all the way back helps but when settleing down
the engine can run rough and if you need to do a go around the engine could quit
or delay. So just as I land I give a little push of the throttle(friction
lock) and make sure the engine is running smooth, usually in the possision of
2000 rpm.
--------
kitfoxmike
model IV, 1200
speedster
912ul
Do not archive
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| Subject: | Kitfox first flight |
I flew my Classic 4 for the first time today. All went well. The 503 surprised
me. I got several comments from airport mechanics & such that it really climbed
well. Gross weight at take off was 760 pounds. This was also my first tail
wheel solo flight. I'll put some pictures in another post. This matronics
thing is still a little mysterious to me and I don't want to overload the dial
up folks.
Tom Jones, Ellensburg, WA
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| Subject: | First flight photos |
here's some pictures
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| Subject: | More first flight higher resolution |
These are for the DSL types
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Ray,
For another data point, I have my 912S set about 1700 - 1800 for idle. I
only get it down that low for landing though. Usually try for about 2000
for warm up or waiting.
Randy
.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of RAY Gignac
Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2007 4:04 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Flap usage
I have the idle rpm set at 2000, Lockwood said that was a good rpm for the
912uls! I gotta admitt, it takes longer to slow down!! I was thinking of
1700 or 1800 for idle rpm. One thing I noticed, when the engine warms up,
it bumps up to 2000, but when cold 1800! What am I doing wrong?
Ray
>From: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net>
>To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Flap usage
>Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2007 12:59:41 -0700
>
>
>Ray,
>
>I found that I floated a bit recently and determined that the cables had
>apparently stretched a bit and I couldn't pull the throttle off to my
>original set idle. I like the idle stops set so I can get about 1600 rpm
>at idle max, but will always run while idling at 2000 or so. This way I
>can pull to a lower idle on approach for shorter landings. A friend has
>his idle stops set at zero rpm for really short landings, but I am not
>comfortable with that idea yet.
>
>If your stop is set at 2000 rpm, it might be set a tad high.
>
>Lowell
>
>----- Original Message ----- From: "RAY Gignac" <kitfoxpilot@msn.com>
>To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
>Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2007 11:49 AM
>Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re: Flap usage
>
>
>>
>>Ya know, I have the same situation with my Kitfox, I have the Model IV
>>1200 with 912uls! when I use flaps on landing, the fox wants to fly
>>again! I have the Warp Drive prop and I have 16 degrees pitch set, also I
>>stay at 2000 rpm for idle. I mostly do wheel landings and find they work
>>the best for me.
>>
>>Ray
>>
>>
>>>From: "kitfoxmike" <customtrans@qwest.net>
>>>To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>>>Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Flap usage
>>>Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2007 07:35:04 -0700
>>>
>>>
>>>I tell ya, now that I have a new prop, I also have a new plane. New plane
>>>new problems, such as, it doesn't slow down on approach :( it wants to
>>>float so to speak down the runway, the fan really blows good now. So, I'm
>>>having fun relearning the plane. Last night I did nothing but touches,
>>>all kinds, I will say the wheel landings are near perfect now, I don't
>>>get this drop just before landing either. I played with the flaps, and I
>>>still don't like them on when landing, now interesting enough, I did find
>>>that when I'm too fast, if I put the flaps on all the way until I'm
>>>slowed down then release them, I find myself landing just fine.
>>>
>>>Conclusion, flaps should be used in accordance to your airplane and your
>>>type of flying, nobody else can dictate the usage. So I guess what you
>>>need to do is go out and experiment and have fun doing it.
>>>
>>>--------
>>>kitfoxmike
>>>model IV, 1200
>>>speedster
>>>912ul
>>>Do not archive
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>Read this topic online here:
>>>
>>>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=105121#105121
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>_________________________________________________________________
>>Can't afford to quit your job? - Earn your AS, BS, or MS degree online in
>>1 year.
>>http://www.classesusa.com/clickcount.cfm?id=866145&goto=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.c
lassesusa.com%2Ffeaturedschools%2Fonlinedegreesmp%2Fform-dyn1.html%3Fsplovr%
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>
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Still figureing out how to post these, it is making me nuts.
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Man those rotax like to spin fast. My sub powered classic 4 is set to idle
around 700 RPM. You can just barely hear the cam . nice and smooth. What
is the redline on a rotax.( mine is 100hp @5400rpm)
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Randy
Daughenbaugh
Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2007 7:30 PM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re: Flap usage
<rjdaugh@rapidnet.com>
Ray,
For another data point, I have my 912S set about 1700 - 1800 for idle. I
only get it down that low for landing though. Usually try for about 2000
for warm up or waiting.
Randy
.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of RAY Gignac
Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2007 4:04 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Flap usage
I have the idle rpm set at 2000, Lockwood said that was a good rpm for the
912uls! I gotta admitt, it takes longer to slow down!! I was thinking of
1700 or 1800 for idle rpm. One thing I noticed, when the engine warms up,
it bumps up to 2000, but when cold 1800! What am I doing wrong?
Ray
>From: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net>
>To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Flap usage
>Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2007 12:59:41 -0700
>
>
>Ray,
>
>I found that I floated a bit recently and determined that the cables had
>apparently stretched a bit and I couldn't pull the throttle off to my
>original set idle. I like the idle stops set so I can get about 1600 rpm
>at idle max, but will always run while idling at 2000 or so. This way I
>can pull to a lower idle on approach for shorter landings. A friend has
>his idle stops set at zero rpm for really short landings, but I am not
>comfortable with that idea yet.
>
>If your stop is set at 2000 rpm, it might be set a tad high.
>
>Lowell
>
>----- Original Message ----- From: "RAY Gignac" <kitfoxpilot@msn.com>
>To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
>Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2007 11:49 AM
>Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re: Flap usage
>
>
>>
>>Ya know, I have the same situation with my Kitfox, I have the Model IV
>>1200 with 912uls! when I use flaps on landing, the fox wants to fly
>>again! I have the Warp Drive prop and I have 16 degrees pitch set, also I
>>stay at 2000 rpm for idle. I mostly do wheel landings and find they work
>>the best for me.
>>
>>Ray
>>
>>
>>>From: "kitfoxmike" <customtrans@qwest.net>
>>>To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>>>Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Flap usage
>>>Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2007 07:35:04 -0700
>>>
>>>
>>>I tell ya, now that I have a new prop, I also have a new plane. New plane
>>>new problems, such as, it doesn't slow down on approach :( it wants to
>>>float so to speak down the runway, the fan really blows good now. So, I'm
>>>having fun relearning the plane. Last night I did nothing but touches,
>>>all kinds, I will say the wheel landings are near perfect now, I don't
>>>get this drop just before landing either. I played with the flaps, and I
>>>still don't like them on when landing, now interesting enough, I did find
>>>that when I'm too fast, if I put the flaps on all the way until I'm
>>>slowed down then release them, I find myself landing just fine.
>>>
>>>Conclusion, flaps should be used in accordance to your airplane and your
>>>type of flying, nobody else can dictate the usage. So I guess what you
>>>need to do is go out and experiment and have fun doing it.
>>>
>>>--------
>>>kitfoxmike
>>>model IV, 1200
>>>speedster
>>>912ul
>>>Do not archive
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>Read this topic online here:
>>>
>>>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=105121#105121
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>_________________________________________________________________
>>Can't afford to quit your job? - Earn your AS, BS, or MS degree online in
>>1 year.
>>http://www.classesusa.com/clickcount.cfm?id=866145&goto=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.c
lassesusa.com%2Ffeaturedschools%2Fonlinedegreesmp%2Fform-dyn1.html%3Fsplovr%
3D866143
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Kitfox first flight |
Awesome Tom. Congratulations! Keep us in the loop during your flyoff.
Deke
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Tom Jones" <nahsikhs@elltel.net>
Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2007 7:09 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Kitfox first flight
>
> I flew my Classic 4 for the first time today. All went well. The 503
surprised me. I got several comments from airport mechanics & such that it
really climbed well. Gross weight at take off was 760 pounds. This was
also my first tail wheel solo flight. I'll put some pictures in another
post. This matronics thing is still a little mysterious to me and I don't
want to overload the dial up folks.
> Tom Jones, Ellensburg, WA
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=105231#105231
>
>
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| Subject: | Tailwheel spring broke! |
Guys,
I was pushing my KitFox into the hangar this evening, with the wings
folded, which puts more weight on the back end, and there is a bump
going into the hangar. When the tailwheel hit the bump, the spring
broke! BANG!!! It fell quick and loud, and with all that weight on the
back end, caused significant damage to the bottom of the rudder.
Question 1: Is it common for a tailwheel spring to break? I've never
heard of it happening before......
Question 2: Anybody got or know where I can get a replacement spring?
I bought the airplane so I don't have a clue as to where to get a part
like that. It's a 1 1/4" spring, and a Maule solid tailwheel.
Thanks!
Nick Scholtes
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| Subject: | Tailwheel spring broke! |
I had a spring break on my Merlin GT just after I bought it and
purchased it through Aircraft Spruce. The one that broke was over ten
years old. Do not know if that made a different or not. It broke on
landing and I to took out the rudder and had to do some straightening
and recovering.
Marin Streeter
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Nick
Scholtes
Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2007 7:48 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Tailwheel spring broke!
Guys,
I was pushing my KitFox into the hangar this evening, with the wings
folded, which puts more weight on the back end, and there is a bump
going into the hangar. When the tailwheel hit the bump, the spring
broke! BANG!!! It fell quick and loud, and with all that weight on the
back end, caused significant damage to the bottom of the rudder.
Question 1: Is it common for a tailwheel spring to break? I've never
heard of it happening before......
Question 2: Anybody got or know where I can get a replacement spring?
I bought the airplane so I don't have a clue as to where to get a part
like that. It's a 1 1/4" spring, and a Maule solid tailwheel.
Thanks!
Nick Scholtes
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| Subject: | Re: First flight photos |
A classic colour scheme for a classic aircraft. I like it, Tom!
Congratulations!
Cheers,
Michel
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| Subject: | Re: Tailwheel spring broke! |
Nick, like Marin, I broke my model 3 tailwheel spring last summer when
landing. It ended in a slow 270 degrees ground loop. The single blade
spring had more than 900 landings when it happened. I have now two
blades, which I was told I should have had from the beginning. I got
one from Lowell and the other one was given to me earlier by another
member of this list but I forgot who. But I think you can get those
from Aircraft Spruce, isn't it? Not sure.
I also had to do some repairs to the rudder that suffered cosmetic
damages.
Cheers,
Michel
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