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1. 03:05 AM - Re: Tailwheel spring broke! ()
2. 04:13 AM - Re: Battery box for Odyssey PC625 battery (Lynn Matteson)
3. 04:38 AM - Re: Re: Flap usage (Lynn Matteson)
4. 04:44 AM - IO240 prop (W Duke)
5. 04:45 AM - Tailwheel spring broke! (fox5flyer)
6. 05:10 AM - Re: Re: Flap usage ()
7. 05:14 AM - Re: Tailwheel spring broke! (Don Smythe)
8. 05:26 AM - Re: IO240 prop (vft@aol.com)
9. 05:42 AM - Re: Tailwheel spring broke! (Lynn Matteson)
10. 06:13 AM - Re: Re: Flap usage (Lynn Matteson)
11. 06:42 AM - Re: Battery box for Odyssey PC625 battery (Jose M. Toro)
12. 08:21 AM - Re: Broke tailspring (Stan Tew)
13. 08:22 AM - Re: IO240 prop (n85ae)
14. 03:11 PM - Re: IO240 prop (W Duke)
15. 03:13 PM - Re: Re: IO240 prop (W Duke)
16. 04:57 PM - Re: Kitfox first flight (pilotpat)
17. 06:43 PM - Soap (RAY Gignac)
18. 08:59 PM - PolyBrush (Dan Billingsley)
19. 09:41 PM - How does one build a 7 as a sportplane? (JSD)
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| Subject: | Re: Tailwheel spring broke! |
Nick,
I bought the new 3 leaf spring from John McBean last year and it still
hanging on wall in shop. Mine broke on landing and I just made a new one
from 1 3/4 " leafs I had here. I just grind it narrower where the clamp is
at rear and drill a hole where the bolt is. I can take a picture if you
like. I have 200 hours on this tailspring since I made it. I usually buy
a complete trailer spring from a local supplier and cut it up for
tailsprings. I think i get about 6 or 8 tailsprings out of a set for 20$
but you gotta bend,grind and drill them. It not hard to work with like some
would think.
a Spring shop "might" be able to help you BUT 1 1/4 " is hard to come by.
One place that might have that width is a Mennonite buggy shop.
If and when if breaks I will likely trry the New one that I bought from
John.
All these movies have that tail spring I made on it http://www.cfisher.com
Dave
----- Original Message -----
From: "Nick Scholtes" <Nick@Scholtes1.com>
Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2007 10:47 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Tailwheel spring broke!
>
> Guys,
>
> I was pushing my KitFox into the hangar this evening, with the wings
> folded, which puts more weight on the back end, and there is a bump going
> into the hangar. When the tailwheel hit the bump, the spring broke!
> BANG!!! It fell quick and loud, and with all that weight on the back end,
> caused significant damage to the bottom of the rudder.
>
> Question 1: Is it common for a tailwheel spring to break? I've never
> heard of it happening before......
>
> Question 2: Anybody got or know where I can get a replacement spring? I
> bought the airplane so I don't have a clue as to where to get a part like
> that. It's a 1 1/4" spring, and a Maule solid tailwheel.
>
> Thanks!
>
> Nick Scholtes
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Battery box for Odyssey PC625 battery |
Sorry, Jose, but I have not seen the box modified. I just assumed
that the 625, being smaller, would fit with shimming. Because the box
that I have (Spruce's box for the 680) is a 3-sided box...both sides,
and a front...with flanges for mounting against the firewall, I would
think that you could place shims under the flanges when bolting to
the firewall (or whatever you are mounting to. As far as length is
concerned, the extra space...the .570" difference in length...could
be taken up with balsa wood or some other light-weight shim.
The box that I got from Spruce is powder-coated black, aluminum, has
the aforementioned 3 surfaces, flanges for mounting, and has a lip at
the top that prevents the battery from sliding up, and for the life
of me, I can't recall if there is a full bottom, or if that is also
just a lip. But the top is readily accessible, and fits the 680 like
a glove. I don't know why they (Spruce) don't show the 625 battery or
a box to fit.
But I'm sure the 680 box could be easily modified to fit.
Lynn
On Apr 5, 2007, at 2:31 PM, Jose M. Toro wrote:
> <jose_m_toro@yahoo.com>
>
> Lynn:
>
> 680 is longer than 625 (7.27" vs 6.70"), but is narrower (3.11" vs
> 3.90"). Have you seen a box modified before? Seems like it will
> be too narrow for the 6257
>
> Thanks!
>
> Jos
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net>
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Thursday, April 5, 2007 9:48:35 AM
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Battery box for Odyssey PC625 battery
>
>
>
> Jose-
> You might try the battery box that Aircraft Spruce sells for the 680,
> and shim it to fit your 625.
>
> Lynn
> On Apr 4, 2007, at 8:18 PM, Jose M. Toro wrote:
>
>> Hi All:
>>
>> Where can I buy a battery box for a Odyssey PC625 battery?
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>> Jose
>>
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I use full (20) flaps on my IV on all landings. I made two landings
Sunday in 20 mph crosswinds (with gusts to 29 according to the 15-
miles-away tower) and I can still use the plane. : )
When my flight instructor first flew my plane, he suggested that we
set the leading edge of the horizontal stab lower, which we did. Then
we sealed the elevator gap with clear tape which further helped. Then
he suggested adding a tab to the (electric) elevator trim tab. After
all these mods the plane can be landed. I eventually reduced the size
of the added trim tab so that the trim wasn't so sensitive to cruise
settings.
With the Jabiru's idle speed set to about 900 or less, the only
floating I get is when I decide to stretch my landing so I don't have
to taxi so far. Under those circumstances, I just twist in some power
(vernier throttle) and keep it off the runway until I get to where I
want to set it down. I'm not saying I can do this in those 29 mph
gusts though.
Lynn
Kitfox IV Speedster...Jabiru 2200
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Jeff,
Did you ever settle on a new prop. Last time we discused it I think you were
still whittling away the Skystar prop. If you decided on one, I would be interested
in what you think of its performance. With the hot weather on its way
I may be in the market for more of a climb prop. (I am still running the Skystar
prop.) Anybody else with IO240 prop data is welcome to chime in.
Maxwell
Maxwell Duke
S6/IO240/Phase II Flight Testing
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| Subject: | Tailwheel spring broke! |
Lots of 'em have broken Nick. There was even a case of an aluminum one
breaking reported here. Check with John McBean at www.kifoxaircraft.com to
see what he's supplying these days. Obviously the originals had poor
temper. Make sure you get the two-leaf design. The three-leaf might be too
stiff for you.
Deke
----- Original Message -----
From: "Nick Scholtes" <Nick@Scholtes1.com>
Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2007 9:47 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Tailwheel spring broke!
>
> Guys,
>
> I was pushing my KitFox into the hangar this evening, with the wings
> folded, which puts more weight on the back end, and there is a bump
> going into the hangar. When the tailwheel hit the bump, the spring
> broke! BANG!!! It fell quick and loud, and with all that weight on the
> back end, caused significant damage to the bottom of the rudder.
>
> Question 1: Is it common for a tailwheel spring to break? I've never
> heard of it happening before......
>
> Question 2: Anybody got or know where I can get a replacement spring?
> I bought the airplane so I don't have a clue as to where to get a part
> like that. It's a 1 1/4" spring, and a Maule solid tailwheel.
>
> Thanks!
>
> Nick Scholtes
>
>
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Lynn, glad to see you got some benefit from your flapperons.
I have found flaps a real attribute to my Kitfox IV.
I will get off quicker with flaps - water, land or snow in any gear
configuration.
I will land slower as well with up to 20 degrees - over that , I have never
found any gain. Most Kitfoxes will be able to fly final at 45 to 50 mph -
over that and you just extend your landing.
To be able to fly your plane better you need to know the total envelope of
your aircraft. To say that flaps are not needed or useless tells me that
you have not explored your total flight envelope.
Now on props - are you sure you are getting thrust from your prop? I find
mine creates more drag and I can land shorter with engine at idle that
deadstick .
Only proof that I have in what i say is in my videos that I did
http://www.cfisher.com
Lynn, did you ever find out how to watch videos yet ? Can you watch from
DVD?
If so PM me your address and i Will make you a DVD.
Dave
----- Original Message -----
From: "Lynn Matteson" <lynnmatt@jps.net>
Sent: Friday, April 06, 2007 7:40 AM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Flap usage
I use full (20) flaps on my IV on all landings. I made two landings
Sunday in 20 mph crosswinds (with gusts to 29 according to the 15-
miles-away tower) and I can still use the plane. : )
When my flight instructor first flew my plane, he suggested that we
set the leading edge of the horizontal stab lower, which we did. Then
we sealed the elevator gap with clear tape which further helped. Then
he suggested adding a tab to the (electric) elevator trim tab. After
all these mods the plane can be landed. I eventually reduced the size
of the added trim tab so that the trim wasn't so sensitive to cruise
settings.
With the Jabiru's idle speed set to about 900 or less, the only
floating I get is when I decide to stretch my landing so I don't have
to taxi so far. Under those circumstances, I just twist in some power
(vernier throttle) and keep it off the runway until I get to where I
want to set it down. I'm not saying I can do this in those 29 mph
gusts though.
Lynn
Kitfox IV Speedster...Jabiru 2200
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| Subject: | Re: Tailwheel spring broke! |
Nick,
I guess you've already seen that tailsprings do break. I once quickly
made a hanger dolly as seen in the attachment and it turned out to work
pretty well. It's about 2' square at the bottom for stability and 6" square
at the top. The tailspring fuselage bolt sits in a little padded pocket on
the top center and has a strap to secure it to the dolly. The castors are
full swivel type. I had 4 on hand that were only a couple inches in dia.
They don't work too well over larger bumps. Larger wheels would probably be
required especially trying to pull over grass or gravel.
If you make something of this nature, you would sit the tailwheel on the
dolly before you fold wings. If the dolly is high enough (as mine is),
folding the wings is much easier since they are level. You can pull the
pins and the wings just sit there.
I never did think it was a good idea to let the plane sit on the spring
with wings folded and moving it that way (as you know) is probably a worse
idea.
Sorry about your damage
Don Smythe
----- Original Message -----
From: "Nick Scholtes" <Nick@Scholtes1.com>
>
> I was pushing my KitFox into the hangar this evening, with the wings
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Hello Maxwell,
How's your airplane flying? I miss mine :( but my Rocket should be flying by the
end of summer. The prop on 24ZM was a very good performer (I think it still
has the same one) and was made by Clark Lydeck at Performance Propeller.
Danny Melnik
F1 #25
Melbourne (FL) Rocket Factory
-----Original Message-----
From: n981ms@yahoo.com
Sent: Fri, 6 Apr 2007 6:43 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: IO240 prop
Jeff,
Did you ever settle on a new prop. Last time we discused it I think you were
still whittling away the Skystar prop. If you decided on one, I would be interested
in what you think of its performance. With the hot weather on its way
I may be in the market for more of a climb prop. (I am still running the Skystar
prop.) Anybody else with IO240 prop data is welcome to chime in.
Maxwell
Maxwell Duke
S6/IO240/Phase II Flight Testing
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| Subject: | Re: Tailwheel spring broke! |
Hi Nick-
I had the original 2-leaf spring break on my IV while taxiing on
rough grass. I was lucky enough to have a replacement main leaf at
home, which I replaced, then ordered the newer 3-leaf spring from
John McBean, and installed it. The newer spring is much better, in
that it has 2 main leafs...the chances of both of them breaking at
the same time is practically nil. I got lucky with my break, in that
very little fabric damage was done when it happened...just a minor
cut right where the fabric contacts the rudder structure, underneath.
Get the spring from John...you'll be happy you did. And while you're
at it, get a Homebuilder's Special tailwheel from Aircraft
Spruce...lighter and softer than the Maule.
Lynn
On Apr 5, 2007, at 10:47 PM, Nick Scholtes wrote:
>
> Guys,
>
> I was pushing my KitFox into the hangar this evening, with the
> wings folded, which puts more weight on the back end, and there is
> a bump going into the hangar. When the tailwheel hit the bump, the
> spring broke! BANG!!! It fell quick and loud, and with all that
> weight on the back end, caused significant damage to the bottom of
> the rudder.
>
> Question 1: Is it common for a tailwheel spring to break? I've
> never heard of it happening before......
>
> Question 2: Anybody got or know where I can get a replacement
> spring? I bought the airplane so I don't have a clue as to where
> to get a part like that. It's a 1 1/4" spring, and a Maule solid
> tailwheel.
>
> Thanks!
>
> Nick Scholtes
>
>
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My flaps will only go to 20...no further. The console that I have
restricts further travel.
I've got the Sensenich wooden prop, fixed pitch, and when I give it
throttle, it pulls the plane...I'm not sure that I understand your
question about "getting thrust from your prop?"
Watching videos is "slow and painful"....takes forever to download.
DVD's work best...will send address via private email, Dave...thanks.
Lynn
do not archive
On Apr 6, 2007, at 8:05 AM, <davef@cfisher.com> wrote:
>
> Lynn, glad to see you got some benefit from your flapperons.
>
> I have found flaps a real attribute to my Kitfox IV.
> I will get off quicker with flaps - water, land or snow in any gear
> configuration.
> I will land slower as well with up to 20 degrees - over that , I
> have never found any gain. Most Kitfoxes will be able to fly
> final at 45 to 50 mph - over that and you just extend your landing.
>
> To be able to fly your plane better you need to know the total
> envelope of your aircraft. To say that flaps are not needed or
> useless tells me that you have not explored your total flight
> envelope.
>
> Now on props - are you sure you are getting thrust from your prop?
> I find mine creates more drag and I can land shorter with engine at
> idle that deadstick .
>
> Only proof that I have in what i say is in my videos that I did
> http://www.cfisher.com
>
>
> Lynn, did you ever find out how to watch videos yet ? Can you
> watch from DVD?
> If so PM me your address and i Will make you a DVD.
>
>
> Dave
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lynn Matteson" <lynnmatt@jps.net>
> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Friday, April 06, 2007 7:40 AM
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Flap usage
>
>
>
> I use full (20) flaps on my IV on all landings. I made two landings
> Sunday in 20 mph crosswinds (with gusts to 29 according to the 15-
> miles-away tower) and I can still use the plane. : )
> When my flight instructor first flew my plane, he suggested that we
> set the leading edge of the horizontal stab lower, which we did. Then
> we sealed the elevator gap with clear tape which further helped. Then
> he suggested adding a tab to the (electric) elevator trim tab. After
> all these mods the plane can be landed. I eventually reduced the size
> of the added trim tab so that the trim wasn't so sensitive to cruise
> settings.
> With the Jabiru's idle speed set to about 900 or less, the only
> floating I get is when I decide to stretch my landing so I don't have
> to taxi so far. Under those circumstances, I just twist in some power
> (vernier throttle) and keep it off the runway until I get to where I
> want to set it down. I'm not saying I can do this in those 29 mph
> gusts though.
>
> Lynn
> Kitfox IV Speedster...Jabiru 2200
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Battery box for Odyssey PC625 battery |
Thanks for the details Lynn!
----- Original Message ----
From: Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net>
Sent: Friday, April 6, 2007 7:15:49 AM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Battery box for Odyssey PC625 battery
Sorry, Jose, but I have not seen the box modified. I just assumed
that the 625, being smaller, would fit with shimming. Because the box
that I have (Spruce's box for the 680) is a 3-sided box...both sides,
and a front...with flanges for mounting against the firewall, I would
think that you could place shims under the flanges when bolting to
the firewall (or whatever you are mounting to. As far as length is
concerned, the extra space...the .570" difference in length...could
be taken up with balsa wood or some other light-weight shim.
The box that I got from Spruce is powder-coated black, aluminum, has
the aforementioned 3 surfaces, flanges for mounting, and has a lip at
the top that prevents the battery from sliding up, and for the life
of me, I can't recall if there is a full bottom, or if that is also
just a lip. But the top is readily accessible, and fits the 680 like
a glove. I don't know why they (Spruce) don't show the 625 battery or
a box to fit.
But I'm sure the 680 box could be easily modified to fit.
Lynn
On Apr 5, 2007, at 2:31 PM, Jose M. Toro wrote:
> <jose_m_toro@yahoo.com>
>
> Lynn:
>
> 680 is longer than 625 (7.27" vs 6.70"), but is narrower (3.11" vs
> 3.90"). Have you seen a box modified before? Seems like it will
> be too narrow for the 6257
>
> Thanks!
>
> Jos
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net>
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Thursday, April 5, 2007 9:48:35 AM
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Battery box for Odyssey PC625 battery
>
>
>
> Jose-
> You might try the battery box that Aircraft Spruce sells for the 680,
> and shim it to fit your 625.
>
> Lynn
> On Apr 4, 2007, at 8:18 PM, Jose M. Toro wrote:
>
>> Hi All:
>>
>> Where can I buy a battery box for a Odyssey PC625 battery?
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>> Jose
>>
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>
>
> Get your own web address.
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>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Broke tailspring |
I broke one ony KF II and had it welded back. I have since replaced it but I think
I still have it. You are welcome to it. I will be at hangar tomorrow and will
check on it.
STAN 2
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1. 06:46 AM - Re: Battery box for Odyssey PC625 battery (Lynn Matteson)
2. 06:54 AM - Re: Flap usage (crazyivan)
3. 07:19 AM - REF: PRC - Glassfiber tanks and ethanol (Larry Martin)
4. 07:35 AM - Re: Flap usage (kitfoxmike)
5. 11:32 AM - Re: Battery box for Odyssey PC625 battery (Jose M. Toro)
6. 11:50 AM - Re: Re: Flap usage (RAY Gignac)
7. 12:37 PM - Re: Flap usage (n85ae)
8. 01:00 PM - Re: Re: Flap usage (Lowell Fitt)
9. 01:05 PM - Re: Battery box for Odyssey PC625 battery (Lowell Fitt)
10. 02:12 PM - Re: Battery box for Odyssey PC625 battery (Marin Streeter)
11. 03:04 PM - Re: Re: Flap usage (RAY Gignac)
12. 04:27 PM - Re: Flap usage (kitfoxmike)
13. 05:09 PM - Kitfox first flight (Tom Jones)
14. 05:14 PM - First flight photos (Tom Jones)
15. 05:20 PM - More first flight higher resolution (Tom Jones)
16. 05:29 PM - Re: Re: Flap usage (Randy Daughenbaugh)
17. 05:34 PM - Some more (Tom Jones)
18. 06:33 PM - Re: Re: Flap usage (kirk hull)
19. 06:37 PM - Re: Kitfox first flight (fox5flyer)
20. 07:49 PM - Tailwheel spring broke! (Nick Scholtes)
21. 08:53 PM - Re: Tailwheel spring broke! (Marin Streeter)
22. 11:22 PM - Re: First flight photos (Michel Verheughe)
23. 11:29 PM - Re: Tailwheel spring broke! (Michel Verheughe)
________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________
Time: 06:46:18 AM PST US
From: Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Battery box for Odyssey PC625 battery
Jose-
You might try the battery box that Aircraft Spruce sells for the 680,
and shim it to fit your 625.
Lynn
On Apr 4, 2007, at 8:18 PM, Jose M. Toro wrote:
> Hi All:
>
> Where can I buy a battery box for a Odyssey PC625 battery?
>
> Thanks!
>
> Jose
>
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Time: 06:54:53 AM PST US
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Flap usage
From: "crazyivan" <dmivezic@yahoo.com>
My 2 cents...Flaps are a tool to use when the job calls for it. Windy, gusty,
crosswind conditions, you probably don't want to use flaps. A real short runway
with big trees on the approach end, use flaps. Muddy wet grass, use flaps.
A lot of gravel, you might not want to use flaps.
Suggestion; on ideal days practice no-flap, partial flap, and full flap landings
& takeoffs. That way, you are always prepared and know your airplane's (and
your) capabilities.
--------
Dave
Speedster 912 UL
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________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________
Time: 07:19:50 AM PST US
From: "Larry Martin" <CrownLJ@verizon.net>
Subject: Kitfox-List: REF: PRC - Glassfiber tanks and ethanol
I looked into PRC a few years ago. Below is a couple of emails that we
exchanged. I gave up on PRC. You can draw your own conclusions.
I think that when my other tank gives up, I will use aluminum. To
counter the flexing, I plan to keep the "shell" of the fiberglass tanks,
and baffle, which is really a compression rib. I figure if I have 2
aluminum tanks, 1 on each side of the compression rib, attached to the
spars, that section should be as rigid as original. The other option is
12 gal aluminum tank behind the seat, but that may require more work and
that tubing wasn't designed to hold that amount of weight so it probably
won't be an option after all.
What do you think?
Larry
Larry wrote.....
Subject = Fuel Resistant CoatingsEC-776EC-776SR
Would these coatings be suitable to use in a fiberglass fuel tank to
seal and protect the fiberglass epoxy from being destroyed by ethanol in
today's gasoline? Could you suggest a product that may be suitable?
Thank you,
Larry
Here is the response from 3M
Thanks for contacting 3M. You got it! EC-776 would be an excellent
choice for your application. Feel confident in using it.
If you have further questions or need more information, I can be reached
directly at 1-800-285-3215, ext. 44.
Regards,
Maria Berglund
3M Industrial Markets
Technical Support Center
1-800-362-3550
Larry wrote:
Maria,
Thanks for your response. Could you please verify that this product
would be suitable in tanks containing ethanol gasoline? I thought a
supplier had indicated against it. Perhaps he is not up to date with
your product.
Thanks again,
Larry
...and her reply..
Thanks for contacting 3M. If you are putting it on the outside of the
tank, the 776 will be resistant to oil, gasoline, aromatic fuels, and
hydrocarbon fluid, and salt water. It is not recommended for use with
alcohol containing fuels, or jet fuel containing microbial organisms. I
believe ethanol would be considered "alcohol containing fuel" so I would
suppose you will need to consider this when using the 776. Hope that
helps.
If you have further questions or need more information, I can be reached
directly at 1-800-285-3215, ext. 44.
Regards,
Maria Berglund
3M Industrial Markets
Technical Support Center
1-800-362-3550
________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________
Time: 07:35:29 AM PST US
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Flap usage
From: "kitfoxmike" <customtrans@qwest.net>
I tell ya, now that I have a new prop, I also have a new plane. New plane new problems,
such as, it doesn't slow down on approach :( it wants to float so to
speak down the runway, the fan really blows good now. So, I'm having fun relearning
the plane. Last night I did nothing but touches, all kinds, I will say
the wheel landings are near perfect now, I don't get this drop just before landing
either. I played with the flaps, and I still don't like them on when landing,
now interesting enough, I did find that when I'm too fast, if I put the
flaps on all the way until I'm slowed down then release them, I find myself
landing just fine.
Conclusion, flaps should be used in accordance to your airplane and your type of
flying, nobody else can dictate the usage. So I guess what you need to do is
go out and experiment and have fun doing it.
--------
kitfoxmike
model IV, 1200
speedster
912ul
Do not archive
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________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________
Time: 11:32:25 AM PST US
From: "Jose M. Toro" <jose_m_toro@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Battery box for Odyssey PC625 battery
Lynn:
680 is longer than 625 (7.27" vs 6.70"), but is narrower (3.11" vs 3.90"). Have
you seen a box modified before? Seems like it will be too narrow for the 6257
Thanks!
Jos
----- Original Message ----
From: Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net>
Sent: Thursday, April 5, 2007 9:48:35 AM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Battery box for Odyssey PC625 battery
Jose-
You might try the battery box that Aircraft Spruce sells for the 680,
and shim it to fit your 625.
Lynn
On Apr 4, 2007, at 8:18 PM, Jose M. Toro wrote:
> Hi All:
>
> Where can I buy a battery box for a Odyssey PC625 battery?
>
> Thanks!
>
> Jose
>
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________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________
Time: 11:50:06 AM PST US
From: "RAY Gignac" <kitfoxpilot@msn.com>
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re: Flap usage
Ya know, I have the same situation with my Kitfox, I have the Model IV 1200
with 912uls! when I use flaps on landing, the fox wants to fly again! I
have the Warp Drive prop and I have 16 degrees pitch set, also I stay at
2000 rpm for idle. I mostly do wheel landings and find they work the best
for me.
Ray
>From: "kitfoxmike" <customtrans@qwest.net>
>To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Flap usage
>Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2007 07:35:04 -0700
>
>
>I tell ya, now that I have a new prop, I also have a new plane. New plane
>new problems, such as, it doesn't slow down on approach :( it wants to
>float so to speak down the runway, the fan really blows good now. So, I'm
>having fun relearning the plane. Last night I did nothing but touches, all
>kinds, I will say the wheel landings are near perfect now, I don't get this
>drop just before landing either. I played with the flaps, and I still
>don't like them on when landing, now interesting enough, I did find that
>when I'm too fast, if I put the flaps on all the way until I'm slowed down
>then release them, I find myself landing just fine.
>
>Conclusion, flaps should be used in accordance to your airplane and your
>type of flying, nobody else can dictate the usage. So I guess what you
>need to do is go out and experiment and have fun doing it.
>
>--------
>kitfoxmike
>model IV, 1200
>speedster
>912ul
>Do not archive
>
>
>Read this topic online here:
>
>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=105121#105121
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________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________
Time: 12:37:55 PM PST US
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Flap usage
From: "n85ae" <n85ae@yahoo.com>
I never use flaps in mine, I fly nice slow approaches, I use slips for
glideslope control whenever I need them from up high, to almost
touchdown. I pretty much always 3-pt. my landings. I can tailwheel
first the landings with no trouble, and I can pretty much stop within
my planes own takeoff distance.
My opinion, is that the only benefit to the flaperons for landing my plane
is the sight picture is better over the nose. But they eat up elevator.
I can land and stop my plane just as easily and quickly with or without
them, so I simply don't use them. In my opinion they produce no usefull
amount of drag, so given the choice I don't use them.
I think the real issue with landing a Kitfox like mine, is just fly it SLOW.
That's like 1.3 Vso (Vso= ~35-40 x 1.3 = 45-52). That feels REALLY slow,
most pilots feel subconciously that it's too slow, and start sweating on a
45-50 mph approach, so the crank in an extra 10-15 mph to get back
into a cessnalike comfort zone. Floatcity.
When I first started flying it, I flew it like other planes ... Which led
to nothing but problems, with long floating touchdowns. Phase two I
started doing wheel landings. Which at the time, I thought were the
solution. But really, it was just a a bandage over the real problem,
which was my own fear of flying slow.
Now most of the time. I fly fairly fast base/final, and scrub off speed
on final with slips, and come across the wire around 50 unless it's windy
and gusty then depending I sometimes wheel land it, or just let it float a
bit longer than usual. If there's traffic, I generally fly a very tight, very
steep approach with lots of slip to get out of the way of the other fast
planes.
Jeff
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________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________
Time: 01:00:27 PM PST US
From: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Flap usage
Ray,
I found that I floated a bit recently and determined that the cables had
apparently stretched a bit and I couldn't pull the throttle off to my
original set idle. I like the idle stops set so I can get about 1600 rpm at
idle max, but will always run while idling at 2000 or so. This way I can
pull to a lower idle on approach for shorter landings. A friend has his
idle stops set at zero rpm for really short landings, but I am not
comfortable with that idea yet.
If your stop is set at 2000 rpm, it might be set a tad high.
Lowell
----- Original Message -----
From: "RAY Gignac" <kitfoxpilot@msn.com>
Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2007 11:49 AM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re: Flap usage
>
> Ya know, I have the same situation with my Kitfox, I have the Model IV
> 1200 with 912uls! when I use flaps on landing, the fox wants to fly
> again! I have the Warp Drive prop and I have 16 degrees pitch set, also I
> stay at 2000 rpm for idle. I mostly do wheel landings and find they work
> the best for me.
>
> Ray
>
>
>>From: "kitfoxmike" <customtrans@qwest.net>
>>To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>>Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Flap usage
>>Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2007 07:35:04 -0700
>>
>>
>>I tell ya, now that I have a new prop, I also have a new plane. New plane
>>new problems, such as, it doesn't slow down on approach :( it wants to
>>float so to speak down the runway, the fan really blows good now. So, I'm
>>having fun relearning the plane. Last night I did nothing but touches,
>>all kinds, I will say the wheel landings are near perfect now, I don't get
>>this drop just before landing either. I played with the flaps, and I
>>still don't like them on when landing, now interesting enough, I did find
>>that when I'm too fast, if I put the flaps on all the way until I'm slowed
>>down then release them, I find myself landing just fine.
>>
>>Conclusion, flaps should be used in accordance to your airplane and your
>>type of flying, nobody else can dictate the usage. So I guess what you
>>need to do is go out and experiment and have fun doing it.
>>
>>--------
>>kitfoxmike
>>model IV, 1200
>>speedster
>>912ul
>>Do not archive
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>Read this topic online here:
>>
>>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=105121#105121
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
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________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________
Time: 01:05:24 PM PST US
From: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Battery box for Odyssey PC625 battery
Jose,
I bent a piece of SS into a "J" shape that cradles the battery and slotted
top and bottom for nylon strapping with velcro as a fastener. Adel clamps
fasten it to the framework. If the battery doesn't need a box to conatain
possible seepage of electrolyte, a simple fixture like this will work. The
Lancair guy did this on his, mounting two 12 v. batteries side-by-side in
series for his 24v. system, but he was comfortable with aluminum for the
tray.
Lowell
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jose M. Toro" <jose_m_toro@yahoo.com>
Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2007 11:31 AM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Battery box for Odyssey PC625 battery
>
> Lynn:
>
> 680 is longer than 625 (7.27" vs 6.70"), but is narrower (3.11" vs 3.90").
> Have you seen a box modified before? Seems like it will be too narrow for
> the 6257
>
> Thanks!
>
> Jos
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net>
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Thursday, April 5, 2007 9:48:35 AM
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Battery box for Odyssey PC625 battery
>
>
> Jose-
> You might try the battery box that Aircraft Spruce sells for the 680,
> and shim it to fit your 625.
>
> Lynn
> On Apr 4, 2007, at 8:18 PM, Jose M. Toro wrote:
>
>> Hi All:
>>
>> Where can I buy a battery box for a Odyssey PC625 battery?
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>> Jose
>>
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________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________
Time: 02:12:32 PM PST US
From: "Marin Streeter" <alderacres@foxinternet.net>
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Battery box for Odyssey PC625 battery
Jose
Try this site
http://www.rvwoody.com/battbox.html
Marin Streeter
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Lowell Fitt
Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2007 1:05 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Battery box for Odyssey PC625 battery
Jose,
I bent a piece of SS into a "J" shape that cradles the battery and slotted
top and bottom for nylon strapping with velcro as a fastener. Adel clamps
fasten it to the framework. If the battery doesn't need a box to conatain
possible seepage of electrolyte, a simple fixture like this will work. The
Lancair guy did this on his, mounting two 12 v. batteries side-by-side in
series for his 24v. system, but he was comfortable with aluminum for the
tray.
Lowell
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jose M. Toro" <jose_m_toro@yahoo.com>
Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2007 11:31 AM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Battery box for Odyssey PC625 battery
>
> Lynn:
>
> 680 is longer than 625 (7.27" vs 6.70"), but is narrower (3.11" vs 3.90").
> Have you seen a box modified before? Seems like it will be too narrow for
> the 6257
>
> Thanks!
>
> Jos
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net>
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Thursday, April 5, 2007 9:48:35 AM
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Battery box for Odyssey PC625 battery
>
>
> Jose-
> You might try the battery box that Aircraft Spruce sells for the 680,
> and shim it to fit your 625.
>
> Lynn
> On Apr 4, 2007, at 8:18 PM, Jose M. Toro wrote:
>
>> Hi All:
>>
>> Where can I buy a battery box for a Odyssey PC625 battery?
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>> Jose
>>
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________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________
Time: 03:04:48 PM PST US
From: "RAY Gignac" <kitfoxpilot@msn.com>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Flap usage
I have the idle rpm set at 2000, Lockwood said that was a good rpm for the
912uls! I gotta admitt, it takes longer to slow down!! I was thinking of
1700 or 1800 for idle rpm. One thing I noticed, when the engine warms up,
it bumps up to 2000, but when cold 1800! What am I doing wrong?
Ray
>From: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net>
>To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Flap usage
>Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2007 12:59:41 -0700
>
>
>Ray,
>
>I found that I floated a bit recently and determined that the cables had
>apparently stretched a bit and I couldn't pull the throttle off to my
>original set idle. I like the idle stops set so I can get about 1600 rpm
>at idle max, but will always run while idling at 2000 or so. This way I
>can pull to a lower idle on approach for shorter landings. A friend has
>his idle stops set at zero rpm for really short landings, but I am not
>comfortable with that idea yet.
>
>If your stop is set at 2000 rpm, it might be set a tad high.
>
>Lowell
>
>----- Original Message ----- From: "RAY Gignac" <kitfoxpilot@msn.com>
>To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
>Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2007 11:49 AM
>Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re: Flap usage
>
>
>>
>>Ya know, I have the same situation with my Kitfox, I have the Model IV
>>1200 with 912uls! when I use flaps on landing, the fox wants to fly
>>again! I have the Warp Drive prop and I have 16 degrees pitch set, also I
>>stay at 2000 rpm for idle. I mostly do wheel landings and find they work
>>the best for me.
>>
>>Ray
>>
>>
>>>From: "kitfoxmike" <customtrans@qwest.net>
>>>To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>>>Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Flap usage
>>>Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2007 07:35:04 -0700
>>>
>>>
>>>I tell ya, now that I have a new prop, I also have a new plane. New plane
>>>new problems, such as, it doesn't slow down on approach :( it wants to
>>>float so to speak down the runway, the fan really blows good now. So, I'm
>>>having fun relearning the plane. Last night I did nothing but touches,
>>>all kinds, I will say the wheel landings are near perfect now, I don't
>>>get this drop just before landing either. I played with the flaps, and I
>>>still don't like them on when landing, now interesting enough, I did find
>>>that when I'm too fast, if I put the flaps on all the way until I'm
>>>slowed down then release them, I find myself landing just fine.
>>>
>>>Conclusion, flaps should be used in accordance to your airplane and your
>>>type of flying, nobody else can dictate the usage. So I guess what you
>>>need to do is go out and experiment and have fun doing it.
>>>
>>>--------
>>>kitfoxmike
>>>model IV, 1200
>>>speedster
>>>912ul
>>>Do not archive
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>Read this topic online here:
>>>
>>>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=105121#105121
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________
Time: 04:27:21 PM PST US
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Flap usage
From: "kitfoxmike" <customtrans@qwest.net>
Mine is set for about 1600 if I pull it back as far as it will go. When landing
and about to touch having it all the way back helps but when settleing down
the engine can run rough and if you need to do a go around the engine could quit
or delay. So just as I land I give a little push of the throttle(friction
lock) and make sure the engine is running smooth, usually in the possision of
2000 rpm.
--------
kitfoxmike
model IV, 1200
speedster
912ul
Do not archive
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________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________
Time: 05:09:37 PM PST US
Subject: Kitfox-List: Kitfox first flight
From: "Tom Jones" <nahsikhs@elltel.net>
I flew my Classic 4 for the first time today. All went well. The 503 surprised
me. I got several comments from airport mechanics & such that it really climbed
well. Gross weight at take off was 760 pounds. This was also my first tail
wheel solo flight. I'll put some pictures in another post. This matronics
thing is still a little mysterious to me and I don't want to overload the dial
up folks.
Tom Jones, Ellensburg, WA
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________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________
Time: 05:14:10 PM PST US
Subject: Kitfox-List: First flight photos
From: "Tom Jones" <nahsikhs@elltel.net>
here's some pictures
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Time: 05:20:30 PM PST US
Subject: Kitfox-List: More first flight higher resolution
From: "Tom Jones" <nahsikhs@elltel.net>
These are for the DSL types
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________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________
Time: 05:29:17 PM PST US
From: "Randy Daughenbaugh" <rjdaugh@rapidnet.com>
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re: Flap usage
Ray,
For another data point, I have my 912S set about 1700 - 1800 for idle. I
only get it down that low for landing though. Usually try for about 2000
for warm up or waiting.
Randy
.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of RAY Gignac
Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2007 4:04 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Flap usage
I have the idle rpm set at 2000, Lockwood said that was a good rpm for the
912uls! I gotta admitt, it takes longer to slow down!! I was thinking of
1700 or 1800 for idle rpm. One thing I noticed, when the engine warms up,
it bumps up to 2000, but when cold 1800! What am I doing wrong?
Ray
>From: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net>
>To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Flap usage
>Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2007 12:59:41 -0700
>
>
>Ray,
>
>I found that I floated a bit recently and determined that the cables had
>apparently stretched a bit and I couldn't pull the throttle off to my
>original set idle. I like the idle stops set so I can get about 1600 rpm
>at idle max, but will always run while idling at 2000 or so. This way I
>can pull to a lower idle on approach for shorter landings. A friend has
>his idle stops set at zero rpm for really short landings, but I am not
>comfortable with that idea yet.
>
>If your stop is set at 2000 rpm, it might be set a tad high.
>
>Lowell
>
>----- Original Message ----- From: "RAY Gignac" <kitfoxpilot@msn.com>
>To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
>Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2007 11:49 AM
>Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re: Flap usage
>
>
>>
>>Ya know, I have the same situation with my Kitfox, I have the Model IV
>>1200 with 912uls! when I use flaps on landing, the fox wants to fly
>>again! I have the Warp Drive prop and I have 16 degrees pitch set, also I
>>stay at 2000 rpm for idle. I mostly do wheel landings and find they work
>>the best for me.
>>
>>Ray
>>
>>
>>>From: "kitfoxmike" <customtrans@qwest.net>
>>>To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>>>Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Flap usage
>>>Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2007 07:35:04 -0700
>>>
>>>
>>>I tell ya, now that I have a new prop, I also have a new plane. New plane
>>>new problems, such as, it doesn't slow down on approach :( it wants to
>>>float so to speak down the runway, the fan really blows good now. So, I'm
>>>having fun relearning the plane. Last night I did nothing but touches,
>>>all kinds, I will say the wheel landings are near perfect now, I don't
>>>get this drop just before landing either. I played with the flaps, and I
>>>still don't like them on when landing, now interesting enough, I did find
>>>that when I'm too fast, if I put the flaps on all the way until I'm
>>>slowed down then release them, I find myself landing just fine.
>>>
>>>Conclusion, flaps should be used in accordance to your airplane and your
>>>type of flying, nobody else can dictate the usage. So I guess what you
>>>need to do is go out and experiment and have fun doing it.
>>>
>>>--------
>>>kitfoxmike
>>>model IV, 1200
>>>speedster
>>>912ul
>>>Do not archive
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>Read this topic online here:
>>>
>>>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=105121#105121
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________
Time: 05:34:17 PM PST US
Subject: Kitfox-List: Some more
From: "Tom Jones" <nahsikhs@elltel.net>
Still figureing out how to post these, it is making me nuts.
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________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________
Time: 06:33:16 PM PST US
From: "kirk hull" <kirkhull@kc.rr.com>
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re: Flap usage
Man those rotax like to spin fast. My sub powered classic 4 is set to idle
around 700 RPM. You can just barely hear the cam . nice and smooth. What
is the redline on a rotax.( mine is 100hp @5400rpm)
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Randy
Daughenbaugh
Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2007 7:30 PM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re: Flap usage
<rjdaugh@rapidnet.com>
Ray,
For another data point, I have my 912S set about 1700 - 1800 for idle. I
only get it down that low for landing though. Usually try for about 2000
for warm up or waiting.
Randy
.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of RAY Gignac
Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2007 4:04 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Flap usage
I have the idle rpm set at 2000, Lockwood said that was a good rpm for the
912uls! I gotta admitt, it takes longer to slow down!! I was thinking of
1700 or 1800 for idle rpm. One thing I noticed, when the engine warms up,
it bumps up to 2000, but when cold 1800! What am I doing wrong?
Ray
>From: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net>
>To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Flap usage
>Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2007 12:59:41 -0700
>
>
>Ray,
>
>I found that I floated a bit recently and determined that the cables had
>apparently stretched a bit and I couldn't pull the throttle off to my
>original set idle. I like the idle stops set so I can get about 1600 rpm
>at idle max, but will always run while idling at 2000 or so. This way I
>can pull to a lower idle on approach for shorter landings. A friend has
>his idle stops set at zero rpm for really short landings, but I am not
>comfortable with that idea yet.
>
>If your stop is set at 2000 rpm, it might be set a tad high.
>
>Lowell
>
>----- Original Message ----- From: "RAY Gignac" <kitfoxpilot@msn.com>
>To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
>Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2007 11:49 AM
>Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re: Flap usage
>
>
>>
>>Ya know, I have the same situation with my Kitfox, I have the Model IV
>>1200 with 912uls! when I use flaps on landing, the fox wants to fly
>>again! I have the Warp Drive prop and I have 16 degrees pitch set, also I
>>stay at 2000 rpm for idle. I mostly do wheel landings and find they work
>>the best for me.
>>
>>Ray
>>
>>
>>>From: "kitfoxmike" <customtrans@qwest.net>
>>>To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>>>Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Flap usage
>>>Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2007 07:35:04 -0700
>>>
>>>
>>>I tell ya, now that I have a new prop, I also have a new plane. New plane
>>>new problems, such as, it doesn't slow down on approach :( it wants to
>>>float so to speak down the runway, the fan really blows good now. So, I'm
>>>having fun relearning the plane. Last night I did nothing but touches,
>>>all kinds, I will say the wheel landings are near perfect now, I don't
>>>get this drop just before landing either. I played with the flaps, and I
>>>still don't like them on when landing, now interesting enough, I did find
>>>that when I'm too fast, if I put the flaps on all the way until I'm
>>>slowed down then release them, I find myself landing just fine.
>>>
>>>Conclusion, flaps should be used in accordance to your airplane and your
>>>type of flying, nobody else can dictate the usage. So I guess what you
>>>need to do is go out and experiment and have fun doing it.
>>>
>>>--------
>>>kitfoxmike
>>>model IV, 1200
>>>speedster
>>>912ul
>>>Do not archive
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>Read this topic online here:
>>>
>>>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=105121#105121
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________
Time: 06:37:45 PM PST US
From: "fox5flyer" <fox5flyer@idealwifi.net>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Kitfox first flight
Awesome Tom. Congratulations! Keep us in the loop during your flyoff.
Deke
do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tom Jones" <nahsikhs@elltel.net>
Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2007 7:09 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Kitfox first flight
>
> I flew my Classic 4 for the first time today. All went well. The 503
surprised me. I got several comments from airport mechanics & such that it
really climbed well. Gross weight at take off was 760 pounds. This was
also my first tail wheel solo flight. I'll put some pictures in another
post. This matronics thing is still a little mysterious to me and I don't
want to overload the dial up folks.
> Tom Jones, Ellensburg, WA
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=105231#105231
>
>
________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________
Time: 07:49:01 PM PST US
From: Nick Scholtes <Nick@Scholtes1.com>
Subject: Kitfox-List: Tailwheel spring broke!
Guys,
I was pushing my KitFox into the hangar this evening, with the wings
folded, which puts more weight on the back end, and there is a bump
going into the hangar. When the tailwheel hit the bump, the spring
broke! BANG!!! It fell quick and loud, and with all that weight on the
back end, caused significant damage to the bottom of the rudder.
Question 1: Is it common for a tailwheel spring to break? I've never
heard of it happening before......
Question 2: Anybody got or know where I can get a replacement spring?
I bought the airplane so I don't have a clue as to where to get a part
like that. It's a 1 1/4" spring, and a Maule solid tailwheel.
Thanks!
Nick Scholtes
________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________
Time: 08:53:22 PM PST US
From: "Marin Streeter" <alderacres@foxinternet.net>
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Tailwheel spring broke!
I had a spring break on my Merlin GT just after I bought it and
purchased it through Aircraft Spruce. The one that broke was over ten
years old. Do not know if that made a different or not. It broke on
landing and I to took out the rudder and had to do some straightening
and recovering.
Marin Streeter
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Nick
Scholtes
Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2007 7:48 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Tailwheel spring broke!
Guys,
I was pushing my KitFox into the hangar this evening, with the wings
folded, which puts more weight on the back end, and there is a bump
going into the hangar. When the tailwheel hit the bump, the spring
broke! BANG!!! It fell quick and loud, and with all that weight on the
back end, caused significant damage to the bottom of the rudder.
Question 1: Is it common for a tailwheel spring to break? I've never
heard of it happening before......
Question 2: Anybody got or know where I can get a replacement spring?
I bought the airplane so I don't have a clue as to where to get a part
like that. It's a 1 1/4" spring, and a Maule solid tailwheel.
Thanks!
Nick Scholtes
________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________
Time: 11:22:55 PM PST US
From: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: First flight photos
A classic colour scheme for a classic aircraft. I like it, Tom!
Congratulations!
Cheers,
Michel
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________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________
Time: 11:29:00 PM PST US
From: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Tailwheel spring broke!
Nick, like Marin, I broke my model 3 tailwheel spring last summer when
landing. It ended in a slow 270 degrees ground loop. The single blade
spring had more than 900 landings when it happened. I have now two
blades, which I was told I should have had from the beginning. I got
one from Lowell and the other one was given to me earlier by another
member of this list but I forgot who. But I think you can get those
from Aircraft Spruce, isn't it? Not sure.
I also had to do some repairs to the rudder that suffered cosmetic
damages.
Cheers,
Michel
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I'm using a 74" x 56 Sensenich. I'm pretty happy with it. The next best combo was
the original Skystar which I chopped 3/4" off the tips. If
I built another I would use this same 74", then trim the tips to get the
rpm to the happy point.
I'm pretty well convince that there is no magic bullet, best advice to
any IO-240 owner is look for 2300-2350 rpm static at full power. Lower
and you aren't getting full power, as the engine likes to rev.
I am also pretty sure that having the airfilter right on the throttle
body is a big mistake, and that if you look into induction tuning that
the air filter right on the throttle body gives you a super high (i.e.
unreachable induction resonance). So to get max power, at 2300
probably adding about 18" of tubing beween the filter and the throttle
body would probably show some improvement. I ran a bunch of
calculations in MS Excell a couple years ago, and was pretty well
convinced there's power to be found by doing this. Just have not had
time to play with it yet.
Skeptical? Come visit, and I'll let you ride my motorcycle with and without
the induction system connected. You would be amazed how much torque
is lost by just disconnecting a few inches of tubing from the throttle bodies.
It is a LOT. Torque is key to turning a prop for takeoff, so worth trying
I think.
Regards,
Jeff Hays
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Danny,
N981MS is doing well. I have moved it to our strip at home which has been recently
identified as GE26 by the FAA. The hangar is enclosed enough that I feel
comfortable with it now. I can't wait to see the rocket. I am sure it will
be awesome.
Maxwell
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vft@aol.com wrote:
Hello Maxwell,
How's your airplane flying? I miss mine :( but my Rocket should be flying by
the end of summer. The prop on 24ZM was a very good performer (I think it still
has the same one) and was made by Clark Lydeck at Performance Propeller.
Danny Melnik
F1 #25
Melbourne (FL) Rocket Factory
-----Original Message-----
From: n981ms@yahoo.com
Sent: Fri, 6 Apr 2007 6:43 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: IO240 prop
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Did you ever settle on a new prop. Last time we discused it I think you were
still whittling away the Skystar prop. If you decided on one, I would be interested
in what you think of its performance. With the hot weather on its way
I may be in the market for more of a climb prop. (I am still running the Skystar
prop.) Anybody else with IO240 prop data is welcome to chime in.
Maxwell
Maxwell Duke
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Thanks for the info. Do you have any climb vs cruise data with the 74x56?
Maxwell
n85ae <n85ae@yahoo.com> wrote:
I'm using a 74" x 56 Sensenich. I'm pretty happy with it. The next best combo was
the original Skystar which I chopped 3/4" off the tips. If
I built another I would use this same 74", then trim the tips to get the
rpm to the happy point.
I'm pretty well convince that there is no magic bullet, best advice to
any IO-240 owner is look for 2300-2350 rpm static at full power. Lower
and you aren't getting full power, as the engine likes to rev.
I am also pretty sure that having the airfilter right on the throttle
body is a big mistake, and that if you look into induction tuning that
the air filter right on the throttle body gives you a super high (i.e.
unreachable induction resonance). So to get max power, at 2300
probably adding about 18" of tubing beween the filter and the throttle
body would probably show some improvement. I ran a bunch of
calculations in MS Excell a couple years ago, and was pretty well
convinced there's power to be found by doing this. Just have not had
time to play with it yet.
Skeptical? Come visit, and I'll let you ride my motorcycle with and without
the induction system connected. You would be amazed how much torque
is lost by just disconnecting a few inches of tubing from the throttle bodies.
It is a LOT. Torque is key to turning a prop for takeoff, so worth trying
I think.
Regards,
Jeff Hays
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| Subject: | Re: Kitfox first flight |
Big Congrats!!!!! Happy Flying. mine is coming up soon , pending weather
--------
Pilotpat
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What is everyone using as soap mixed with water to wash your kitfox? I
picked up some turtle wax zip wax car wash to use. My Fox is paint with
aerothane! Anyone.
Ray
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I opened my first galon can of PolyBrush today and was surprised to see it a color
of rust. Looking at the side of the can it said tinted, yet it didn't indicate
what color. I have used PolyBrush in the past and it was a pink color. Is
anyone familiar with this color / tint? These cans may very well be 3-4 years
old and I just want to be on the cautious side b-4 I start using it.
Anyone with this experience?
Dan,
Mesa, AZ
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| Subject: | How does one build a 7 as a sportplane? |
I know this has probably been covered here but I couldn't find it in a search.
I've been told that a 6 or 7 can be built as an lsa but I've never seen any detail
about what would have to be changed or left out. It's advertised to be
1400lbs gross with a 912S and 920lbs seems like quite a lot to have to drop. I
would want to build a seven with a 912 and very basic VFR panal. I'm not a pilot
yet and it's quite likely I'm missing the weight requirements concept. Does
this just have to do with how it's registered and certifacated or how it's built?
I guess I don't get it.
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