Today's Message Index:
----------------------
1. 04:23 AM - Re: Soap (fox5flyer)
2. 05:01 AM - Re: How does one build a 7 as a sportplane? (Bob)
3. 05:24 AM - Re: PolyBrush (dpremgood@aol.com)
4. 06:35 AM - Re: PolyBrush (Roger McConnell)
5. 06:38 AM - Re: PolyBrush (Tom Jones)
6. 06:54 AM - Re: How does one build a 7 as a sportplane? (Roger McConnell)
7. 07:10 AM - New fuel proof Wing Tanks (RRTRACK@aol.com)
8. 07:16 AM - Re: How does one build a 7 as a sportplane? (Andy Fultz)
9. 07:20 AM - Re: Tailwheel spring broke! (Michel Verheughe)
10. 07:43 AM - Re: PolyBrush (xfire)
11. 08:05 AM - Re: New fuel proof Wing Tanks (fox5flyer)
12. 08:10 AM - 912 UL with IVO props (RRTRACK@AOL.COM)
13. 09:25 AM - Re: Tailwheel spring broke! (Lynn Matteson)
14. 09:59 AM - Re: Tailwheel spring broke! (Michel Verheughe)
15. 11:19 AM - Re: Re: PolyBrush (Dan Billingsley)
16. 11:34 AM - Re: Soap (RAY Gignac)
17. 01:54 PM - Re: 912 UL with IVO props (kitfoxmike)
18. 02:14 PM - (no subject) (JJProbasco@cs.com)
19. 02:44 PM - Re: Tailwheel spring broke! (Rexinator)
20. 02:48 PM - John McBean (Don Smythe)
21. 03:09 PM - Poly/Plastic tanks (Don Smythe)
22. 03:18 PM - Re: Re: 912 UL with IVO props (mic thiessen)
23. 03:33 PM - Re: Flap usage (Larry Martin)
24. 04:11 PM - Re: Re: 912 UL with IVO props (Noel Loveys)
25. 05:00 PM - Re: 912 UL with IVO props (kitfoxmike)
26. 05:05 PM - Re: Flap usage (kitfoxmike)
27. 05:41 PM - Re: Re: 912 UL with IVO props (Lowell Fitt)
28. 05:48 PM - Re: 912 UL with IVO props (crazyivan)
29. 05:57 PM - Re: Re: 912 UL with IVO props (Randy Daughenbaugh)
30. 06:09 PM - Re: Tailwheel spring broke! (Lynn Matteson)
31. 06:22 PM - Ft. Worth Trip Report (Really Long) (Guy Buchanan)
32. 06:24 PM - Re: 912 UL with IVO props (kitfoxmike)
33. 06:32 PM - Re: Poly/Plastic tanks (Guy Buchanan)
34. 10:40 PM - Most HP on a Kitfox? (darinh)
35. 11:32 PM - Re: Most HP on a Kitfox? (kurt schrader)
36. 11:40 PM - S5 first flight photos (Kerry Skyring)
37. 11:57 PM - Happy Easter (QSS)
Message 1
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
About the only thing I can think of is that many of the types of car waxes
use silicones, including the wash compounds. Silicones are very difficult
to remove and tend to get into every crack, nick, and crevice. This in
itself is no problem until you need to repaint, whether touchup or a new
coat.
Deke
>
> What is everyone using as soap mixed with water to wash your kitfox? I
> picked up some turtle wax zip wax car wash to use. My Fox is paint with
> aerothane! Anyone.
>
> Ray
Message 2
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Re: How does one build a 7 as a sportplane? |
Welcome to the group. Here's a link to a nice summary of the LSA requirements
for both you and the airplane:
http://www.sportsplanes.com/About/LSARules/tabid/39/Default.aspx
Long story short is that the gross weight which you (as builder) assign the airplane
can not be more than 1320#, regardless of what it's designed to. For example,
I'm building a Series 5 that has the 1400# wings, but I'll probably certify
it as 1320#. Same airplane, but someday when I sell it that should increase
the potential pool of buyers.
The key to viability of this is the empty weight (EW) and if you're careful to
stay to the simple vfr airplane you mentioned, we have members who've proven the
airplane can have less than a 800# EW. The 1320#-800# gives 520# of useful
load for two people and gas.
It does take some planning and leaving off a lot of extra options, such as extra
radios, bigger engines, etc. You can use virtually any engine you want, but
the more expensive 912/912S is used because the final weight typically seems
to be at least 80-100# less than some of the more common alternate engines (O-200
& Subies).
Bob
--------
Remember that internet advice may only be worth what you pay.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=105425#105425
Message 3
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
Dan,
I'm in the covering phase as well. All my polybrush is pink.
Suggest you call the Polybrush people about this one.
Doug Remoundos
Classic IV
-----Original Message-----
From: dan@azshowersolutions.com
Sent: Fri, 6 Apr 2007 11:58 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: PolyBrush
I opened my first galon can of PolyBrush today and was surprised to
see it a color of rust. Looking at the side of the can it said tinted,
yet it didn't indicate what color.I have used PolyBrush in the past
and it was a pink color. Is anyone familiar with this color / tint?
These cans may very well be 3-4 years old and I just want to be on the
cautious side b-4 I start using it.
Anyone with this experience?
Dan,
Mesa, AZ
________________________________________________________________________
from AOL at AOL.com.
=0
Message 4
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
Dan,
In the can, it probable does look like a rust color or reddish brown but
when you thin it to apply to the fabric it will look more pink. IMO
Roger Mac
_____
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dan Billingsley
Sent: Friday, April 06, 2007 10:59 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: PolyBrush
I opened my first galon can of PolyBrush today and was surprised to see it a
color of rust. Looking at the side of the can it said tinted, yet it didn't
indicate what color. I have used PolyBrush in the past and it was a pink
color. Is anyone familiar with this color / tint? These cans may very well
be 3-4 years old and I just want to be on the cautious side b-4 I start
using it.
Anyone with this experience?
Dan,
Mesa, AZ
Message 5
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
Dan, it sounds like your poly brush has seperated. Don't throw it out yet though.
It is guaranteed for 4 years and the poly fiber folks have a trick to get
it mixed back together. It involves skimming the oil off the top, doing some
mixing, and mixing the oil back in...something like that any how...it has been
a long time ago for me. If you have some unopened cans take them to the hardware
store have have them shake them in a paint shaker. But most of all do like
Doug said and call polyfiber, they will probably get you on track with it.
Tom Jones
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=105440#105440
Message 6
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | How does one build a 7 as a sportplane? |
I'll probably open a can of worms here but here goes. You need to be aware
that if you register your homebuilt in the E-LSA category you can not get
the repairman's cert unless you go through the 16 hr. course. If you are
going to just be a Sport Pilot and not fly at night. And if you don't mind
paying someone else to do your annual inspections then it's not a problem.
Roger Mac
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of JSD
Sent: Friday, April 06, 2007 11:41 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: How does one build a 7 as a sportplane?
I know this has probably been covered here but I couldn't find it in a
search. I've been told that a 6 or 7 can be built as an lsa but I've never
seen any detail about what would have to be changed or left out. It's
advertised to be 1400lbs gross with a 912S and 920lbs seems like quite a lot
to have to drop. I would want to build a seven with a 912 and very basic VFR
panal. I'm not a pilot yet and it's quite likely I'm missing the weight
requirements concept. Does this just have to do with how it's registered and
certifacated or how it's built? I guess I don't get it.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=105410#105410
Message 7
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | New fuel proof Wing Tanks |
Here is company that makes new wing tanks for the Kitfox and Avid that fit
in the existing wings between the ribs. They are 6 gallons each and are made to
supply 12 gallons in each wing for a total of 24 gallons.
wingtanks.com
Mark
Wisconsin
Kitfox 5 Vixen 912 UL (IVO IFA prop on order)
************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.
Message 8
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | How does one build a 7 as a sportplane? |
Don't register it as an ELSA. Just register it as an Experimental with a
gross not exceeding 1320#. Andy
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Roger
McConnell
Sent: Saturday, April 07, 2007 8:55 AM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: How does one build a 7 as a sportplane?
I'll probably open a can of worms here but here goes. You need to be aware
that if you register your homebuilt in the E-LSA category you can not get
the repairman's cert unless you go through the 16 hr. course. If you are
going to just be a Sport Pilot and not fly at night. And if you don't mind
paying someone else to do your annual inspections then it's not a problem.
Roger Mac
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of JSD
Sent: Friday, April 06, 2007 11:41 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: How does one build a 7 as a sportplane?
I know this has probably been covered here but I couldn't find it in a
search. I've been told that a 6 or 7 can be built as an lsa but I've never
seen any detail about what would have to be changed or left out. It's
advertised to be 1400lbs gross with a 912S and 920lbs seems like quite a lot
to have to drop. I would want to build a seven with a 912 and very basic VFR
panal. I'm not a pilot yet and it's quite likely I'm missing the weight
requirements concept. Does this just have to do with how it's registered and
certifacated or how it's built? I guess I don't get it.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=105410#105410
Message 9
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Re: Tailwheel spring broke! |
On Apr 6, 2007, at 2:45 PM, Lynn Matteson wrote:
> I had the original 2-leaf spring break on my IV while taxiing on rough
> grass.
Lynn, did both leafs break together and where was the place of
fracture? Thanks.
Cheers,
Michel
do not archive
Message 10
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
I had a few cans that had been on the shelf for about 10 yrs. I just hit them
with a power mixer for about 10 minutes and all was well..
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=105458#105458
Message 11
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Re: New fuel proof Wing Tanks |
Good contribution Mark. That's a keeper.
Deke
----- Original Message -----
From: RRTRACK@aol.com
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, April 07, 2007 9:09 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: New fuel proof Wing Tanks
Here is company that makes new wing tanks for the Kitfox and Avid that
fit in the existing wings between the ribs. They are 6 gallons each and
are made to supply 12 gallons in each wing for a total of 24 gallons.
wingtanks.com
Mark
Wisconsin
Kitfox 5 Vixen 912 UL (IVO IFA prop on order)
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
-----
See what's free at AOL.com.
Message 12
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | 912 UL with IVO props |
Can the 912 UL be operated with the ultralight 3 blade 70" IVO IFA prop with
out a clutch in the gear reduction? It shows to weigh 9.5 lbs. Lockwood
wants $1000 to add the clutch to my gearbox.
Desert Fox Flyers or KitfoxMike any suggestions here?
Also, will the cruise pitch lug the engine too much. What rpm on the 912 UL
would be best for cruise?
Thanks for any help here.
Mark
Wisconsin
Kitfox Vixen 912 UL (IVO IFA on order)
************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.
Message 13
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Re: Tailwheel spring broke! |
No, only the main leaf broke, and it broke right about where the
"helper" or "booster" leaf ends. So that left me with sort of a
tailskid of two leafs that kept the rudder off the ground. It still
got dinged a bit with the tailwheel flopping around, but my speed was
real slow when it happened, so that helped.
Lynn
do not archive
On Apr 7, 2007, at 10:20 AM, Michel Verheughe wrote:
>
> On Apr 6, 2007, at 2:45 PM, Lynn Matteson wrote:
>> I had the original 2-leaf spring break on my IV while taxiing on
>> rough grass.
>
> Lynn, did both leafs break together and where was the place of
> fracture? Thanks.
>
> Cheers,
> Michel
>
> do not archive
>
>
Message 14
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Re: Tailwheel spring broke! |
On Apr 7, 2007, at 6:26 PM, Lynn Matteson wrote:
> No, only the main leaf broke, and it broke right about where the
> "helper" or "booster" leaf ends.
Hum, it makes sense. Thanks Matt!
Michel
do not archive
Message 15
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
Thanks for the insight guys, I suspect it would be best to contact the PolyFiber
Co.
Dan
xfire <leonard.perry@acsalaska.net> wrote:
I had a few cans that had been on the shelf for about 10 yrs. I just hit them with
a power mixer for about 10 minutes and all was well..
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=105458#105458
Message 16
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
Thanks for all the replies on the soap.
Thanks
Ray
>From: "fox5flyer" <fox5flyer@idealwifi.net>
>To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Soap
>Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2007 07:22:01 -0500
>
>
>About the only thing I can think of is that many of the types of car waxes
>use silicones, including the wash compounds. Silicones are very difficult
>to remove and tend to get into every crack, nick, and crevice. This in
>itself is no problem until you need to repaint, whether touchup or a new
>coat.
>Deke
>
> >
> > What is everyone using as soap mixed with water to wash your kitfox? I
> > picked up some turtle wax zip wax car wash to use. My Fox is paint with
> > aerothane! Anyone.
> >
> > Ray
>
>
_________________________________________________________________
Mortgage rates near historic lows. Refinance $200,000 loan for as low as
$771/month*
https://www2.nextag.com/goto.jsp?product=100000035&url=%2fst.jsp&tm=y&search=mortgage_text_links_88_h27f8&disc=y&vers=689&s=4056&p=5117
Message 17
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Re: 912 UL with IVO props |
You don't need the clutch. That's the prop I have. I set for 5400rpm, which is
max, for take off. I don't have any washers added inside the motor. I run
full out level and then lower rpm with the prop to 5200, pull back the throttle
about a fingers length and maintain 5200. Been getting about 110kts ground speed
gps, sometimes more, been playing with it. I do have another issue right
now and that's my floats are giving troubles, they are sinking. I have the latest
and greatest on the way, if you can believe 200 bucks for 4 of those buggers.
But I need them.
--------
kitfoxmike
model IV, 1200
speedster
912ul
Do not archive
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=105512#105512
Message 18
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
My 1450 # Model 5 kit came with the convertable wing tip option that allows
an outer portion of each wing to be easily removed to effectively become a
clipped wing (speed wing?) version. When in this configuration the gross weight
limit is reduced. (I can't presently remember the lesser gross but I think it
was in the 1320 # range)
It seems the (clipped) speed wing configuration offers some weight savings
potential for the purposes of sportplane eligibility. Does anyone have data on
the typical stall speed and other characteristics for the shorter wing that
would be sportplane relevant? I suspect the same could apply to the Models 6 and
7.
Jeff Probasco
Message 19
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Re: Tailwheel spring broke! |
Has there been a poll concerning tail wheel springs and at what hours
or landing count they broke? I'm sure it's a preflight item, but has
anyone found a cracked spring during pre/post flight checks or are they
not showing signs of impending failure?
It seems I'm only reading of failures during use and the resulting damage.
Rexinator
Colorado
Lynn Matteson wrote:
>
> No, only the main leaf broke, and it broke right about where the
> "helper" or "booster" leaf ends. So that left me with sort of a
> tailskid of two leafs that kept the rudder off the ground. It still
> got dinged a bit with the tailwheel flopping around, but my speed was
> real slow when it happened, so that helped.
>
> Lynn
> do not archive
>
> On Apr 7, 2007, at 10:20 AM, Michel Verheughe wrote:
>
>>
>> On Apr 6, 2007, at 2:45 PM, Lynn Matteson wrote:
>>
>>> I had the original 2-leaf spring break on my IV while taxiing on
>>> rough grass.
>>
Message 20
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
John,
Can you contact me off list. I need some quick help
Don Smythe
dosmythe@cox.net
Message 21
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Poly/Plastic tanks |
Speaking of Poly fuel tanks, I have all of a sudden found concern. As
some of you might remember, I had a suspect 582 injection oil tank that
appeared to have cracks near the top filler. Today, a friend looked at
the suspect cracks and pulled the cap to feel on the inside. He applied
a little inside pressure and the Poly/Plastic/whatever tank split even
more. So, the suspected cracks are real and the material appears to be
very brittle. Also, about a year or so ago, my rotary valve tank
cracked to the point of leaking badly.
My point is, there are a zillion types of Poly/Plastic/ whatever
material tanks on the market. We have no more idea what the material is
than what's in our fiberglass tanks. The earlier post (to a web site)
about the new tanks to replace our fiberglass tanks did not mention
anything about the material they are made from or the process of
manufacturing.
I've now had two plastic tanks fail from cracking (injection and
rotary). That only leaves the header tank that hasn't failed yet.
Everyone might want to take a real close look at your installed
Poly/Plastic tanks. These tanks are flight safety items and I'm now
convinced they will break in a heartbeat.
Don Smythe
----- Original Message -----
From: RRTRACK@aol.com
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, April 07, 2007 10:09 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: New fuel proof Wing Tanks
Here is company that makes new wing tanks for the Kitfox and Avid that
fit in the existing wings between the ribs. They are 6 gallons each and
are made to supply 12 gallons in each wing for a total of 24 gallons.
wingtanks.com
Mark
Wisconsin
Kitfox 5 Vixen 912 UL (IVO IFA prop on order)
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
-----
See what's free at AOL.com.
Message 22
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Re: 912 UL with IVO props |
Hi Mike
what is your prop reduction...if you are running 5400 engine what is the
prop speed?
I have a 2.17 reduction on a Subaru. I cruise at 4000 rpm so my prop will be
turning at 1843 rpm. At what speed is the prop the most efficient? I want
to get the medium IVO 72" 3 blade.
Any thoughts?
Thanks Mic
Fox IV Speedster
C-FOXX
>From: "kitfoxmike" <customtrans@qwest.net>
>To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: 912 UL with IVO props
>Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2007 13:53:57 -0700
>
>
>You don't need the clutch. That's the prop I have. I set for 5400rpm,
>which is max, for take off. I don't have any washers added inside the
>motor. I run full out level and then lower rpm with the prop to 5200, pull
>back the throttle about a fingers length and maintain 5200. Been getting
>about 110kts ground speed gps, sometimes more, been playing with it. I do
>have another issue right now and that's my floats are giving troubles, they
>are sinking. I have the latest and greatest on the way, if you can believe
>200 bucks for 4 of those buggers. But I need them.
>
>--------
>kitfoxmike
>model IV, 1200
>speedster
>912ul
>Do not archive
>
>
>Read this topic online here:
>
>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=105512#105512
>
>
_________________________________________________________________
Dont waste time standing in linetry shopping online. Visit Sympatico / MSN
Shopping today! http://shopping.sympatico.msn.ca
Message 23
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
Seeing how the airplane was designed to be flown STOL, and Dean Wilson
(Avid) designed the flaperons to enhance this ability. I use full
flaperons for all take off and landings. I have landed with complete
control in 20+ mph direct crosswinds with no problems. (grass strip) .
Larry
Message 24
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Re: 912 UL with IVO props |
I have my own way of Finding leaks in floats. I had a compartment lid with
a hole drilled in it and an automotive tubeless tire valve installed in it.
With the floats in the water I used to pressurize the compartment with a
bicycle pump put on the dive mask and look underneath to see where the
bubbles come from.
Patch with PRC from the outside... Water pressure will push the PRC into the
leak and allow it to seal.
The first place to check for leaks is right around the keep at the step
To apply the PRC the floats should be dry so all you have to do is mark the
area of the leaks with a crayon or talk stick. Usually drying can be helped
with Methyl hydrate or acetone. That will help clean the surfaces for the
PRC to stick to.
Noel
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
> kitfoxmike
> Sent: Saturday, April 07, 2007 6:24 PM
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: 912 UL with IVO props
>
>
> <customtrans@qwest.net>
>
> You don't need the clutch. That's the prop I have. I set
> for 5400rpm, which is max, for take off. I don't have any
> washers added inside the motor. I run full out level and
> then lower rpm with the prop to 5200, pull back the throttle
> about a fingers length and maintain 5200. Been getting about
> 110kts ground speed gps, sometimes more, been playing with
> it. I do have another issue right now and that's my floats
> are giving troubles, they are sinking. I have the latest and
> greatest on the way, if you can believe 200 bucks for 4 of
> those buggers. But I need them.
>
> --------
> kitfoxmike
> model IV, 1200
> speedster
> 912ul
> Do not archive
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=105512#105512
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
Message 25
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Re: 912 UL with IVO props |
I have a 2.2 gear reduction, I figure the engine should run below 5200rpm, so that's
where I keep it for cruise, and I don't like the idea of having an engine
opened up all the way. I'm still experimenting with the prop, so that's what
I'm going with right at this time. I have thought of shortening the prop up
to an inch more.
Noel,
I have two issues with the floats, one if you let the floats set in the fuel in
the bowls you can see that one floats a little lower the the other, this is my
rich run lately. The other that started a couple days ago is on full throttle
the engine would start running real bad, farten and spitten. If I pulled the
throttle back lets say to 3/4, it would run better, a real eye opener, got
my juices going, since this happened on take off. I had a hard time getting it
to do it on the ground. So, I went up three times to find the problem, finally
after landing I let it sit and and full throttled it and finally it did it
on the ground, I pulled the throttle back and hit the mags, then I turned the
fuel off real quick. After pulling the bowls I found the left side was overflowing
with fuel and one of the floats stuck to the bottom. I ordered the newest
floats and that's that.
--------
kitfoxmike
model IV, 1200
speedster
912ul
Do not archive
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=105545#105545
Message 26
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
The only thing I can say to that is, holy crap, I wouldn't fly any airplane with
that kind of cross winds with flaps on. besides, if you were trully flying in
that kind of winds without flaps, you can almost reach out and pick something
up off the runway, because you will be supper slow allready.
--------
kitfoxmike
model IV, 1200
speedster
912ul
Do not archive
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=105546#105546
Message 27
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Re: 912 UL with IVO props |
Mike,
Lots of folks have trouble running the Rotax at the recommended cruise RPM.
The book says 5500 as does Eric Tucker the North American technical rep for
Rotax. He's the guy that gives the Rotax Forums at the Fly-ins
On the way to Arizona last week on one of the stops, one of our guys was in
a friendly debate with one of the folks that doesn't like "Rotax" this
regarding the RPMs run. Hal made the point that his - the guy's - planned
0200 with it's 4" stroke had a higher piston speed at 2700 RPM than his 912
with it's 2" stroke at 5500 PRM. It is Hal's contention, and I tend to
agree, that it is piston speed that breaks engines, not RPM. These things
are designed for 5800 RPM for five minutes and 5500 RPM all day. I suspect
you are cheating yourself out of some performance with no real long term
benefit.
Lowell
----- Original Message -----
From: "kitfoxmike" <customtrans@qwest.net>
Sent: Saturday, April 07, 2007 5:00 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: 912 UL with IVO props
>
> I have a 2.2 gear reduction, I figure the engine should run below 5200rpm,
> so that's where I keep it for cruise, and I don't like the idea of having
> an engine opened up all the way. I'm still experimenting with the prop,
> so that's what I'm going with right at this time. I have thought of
> shortening the prop up to an inch more.
>
> Noel,
> I have two issues with the floats, one if you let the floats set in the
> fuel in the bowls you can see that one floats a little lower the the
> other, this is my rich run lately. The other that started a couple days
> ago is on full throttle the engine would start running real bad, farten
> and spitten. If I pulled the throttle back lets say to 3/4, it would run
> better, a real eye opener, got my juices going, since this happened on
> take off. I had a hard time getting it to do it on the ground. So, I went
> up three times to find the problem, finally after landing I let it sit and
> and full throttled it and finally it did it on the ground, I pulled the
> throttle back and hit the mags, then I turned the fuel off real quick.
> After pulling the bowls I found the left side was overflowing with fuel
> and one of the floats stuck to the bottom. I ordered the newest floats
> and that's that.
>
> --------
> kitfoxmike
> model IV, 1200
> speedster
> 912ul
> Do not archive
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=105545#105545
>
>
>
Message 28
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Re: 912 UL with IVO props |
Mark - I have a 912 UL with the 72" ultralight Ivo and it works great. The Ivo
is about 1.7 lbs lighter than the GSC and out performs it in all respects. No
clutch needed.
I bought this prop from John & Debra at Kitfox www.kitfoxaircraft.com and they confirmed the size from IvoProp. Since this prop was recommended by Kitfox and Ivo, I was not required by my FSDO to do a 5-hour test period on this "major change."
You might sacrifice a little climb rate with the 70" prop but you should get a
little higher cruise speed because you will be able to pitch it more.
Let us know how it turns out.
--------
Dave
Speedster 912 UL
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=105551#105551
Message 29
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Re: 912 UL with IVO props |
Eric Tucker also makes the point in seminars that cylinder pressures are
higher at lower RPM than they are at 5500 RPM. He says run 'em at 5500 RPM.
I do still often loaf around at 4900 - 5000 RPM on my 912S. But when I am
going some place it is 5500!
Randy
.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Lowell Fitt
Sent: Saturday, April 07, 2007 6:40 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: 912 UL with IVO props
Mike,
Lots of folks have trouble running the Rotax at the recommended cruise RPM.
The book says 5500 as does Eric Tucker the North American technical rep for
Rotax. He's the guy that gives the Rotax Forums at the Fly-ins
On the way to Arizona last week on one of the stops, one of our guys was in
a friendly debate with one of the folks that doesn't like "Rotax" this
regarding the RPMs run. Hal made the point that his - the guy's - planned
0200 with it's 4" stroke had a higher piston speed at 2700 RPM than his 912
with it's 2" stroke at 5500 PRM. It is Hal's contention, and I tend to
agree, that it is piston speed that breaks engines, not RPM. These things
are designed for 5800 RPM for five minutes and 5500 RPM all day. I suspect
you are cheating yourself out of some performance with no real long term
benefit.
Lowell
----- Original Message -----
From: "kitfoxmike" <customtrans@qwest.net>
Sent: Saturday, April 07, 2007 5:00 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: 912 UL with IVO props
>
> I have a 2.2 gear reduction, I figure the engine should run below 5200rpm,
> so that's where I keep it for cruise, and I don't like the idea of having
> an engine opened up all the way. I'm still experimenting with the prop,
> so that's what I'm going with right at this time. I have thought of
> shortening the prop up to an inch more.
>
> Noel,
> I have two issues with the floats, one if you let the floats set in the
> fuel in the bowls you can see that one floats a little lower the the
> other, this is my rich run lately. The other that started a couple days
> ago is on full throttle the engine would start running real bad, farten
> and spitten. If I pulled the throttle back lets say to 3/4, it would run
> better, a real eye opener, got my juices going, since this happened on
> take off. I had a hard time getting it to do it on the ground. So, I went
> up three times to find the problem, finally after landing I let it sit and
> and full throttled it and finally it did it on the ground, I pulled the
> throttle back and hit the mags, then I turned the fuel off real quick.
> After pulling the bowls I found the left side was overflowing with fuel
> and one of the floats stuck to the bottom. I ordered the newest floats
> and that's that.
>
> --------
> kitfoxmike
> model IV, 1200
> speedster
> 912ul
> Do not archive
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=105545#105545
>
>
>
Message 30
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Re: Tailwheel spring broke! |
I just did the math, and mine broke at the 587th takeoff/landing
mark...give or take a couple. : )
Lynn
On Apr 7, 2007, at 5:44 PM, Rexinator wrote:
>
> Has there been a poll concerning tail wheel springs and at what
> hours or landing count they broke? I'm sure it's a preflight item,
> but has anyone found a cracked spring during pre/post flight checks
> or are they not showing signs of impending failure?
>
> It seems I'm only reading of failures during use and the resulting
> damage.
>
> Rexinator
> Colorado
>
>
> Lynn Matteson wrote:
>
>>
>> No, only the main leaf broke, and it broke right about where the
>> "helper" or "booster" leaf ends. So that left me with sort of a
>> tailskid of two leafs that kept the rudder off the ground. It
>> still got dinged a bit with the tailwheel flopping around, but my
>> speed was real slow when it happened, so that helped.
>>
>> Lynn
>> do not archive
>>
>> On Apr 7, 2007, at 10:20 AM, Michel Verheughe wrote:
>>
>>> <michel@online.no>
>>>
>>> On Apr 6, 2007, at 2:45 PM, Lynn Matteson wrote:
>>>
>>>> I had the original 2-leaf spring break on my IV while taxiing
>>>> on rough grass.
>>>
>
>
Message 31
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Ft. Worth Trip Report (Really Long) |
Hi all,
I just returned to Ramona (San Diego) from Ft. Worth, Texas;
a 28 hour round trip to give my original builder a two hour ride.
The trip started with an afternoon flight to Thunder Ridge,
northwest of Phoenix, AZ, for the Desert Fox Fly-in. Being new to the
place I did my usual conservative approach, at pattern altitude with
all the right calls. (I was briefly non-plussed by the car on the
runway, but they got out of the way soon enough.) After parking my
plane behind Stan Specht's out adjacent to the runway I wandered in,
taking in the sight of Stan and Cara Foster's beautiful desert spread
garnished with ten or so Kitfoxes, a few Rans, and a Sky Ranger.
(Don't ask.) Tom Laurence was tinkering with his Sky Ranger so I
introduced myself. In ten minutes I was introduced to nearly a dozen
more participants, all swapping stories about their ride in earlier
that day from Nevada and other points north. I didn't have much to
add, except for my experience at Wickenburg, 35 miles north of
Thunder Ridge, where I had been told on Unicom that there was no
100LL because a flight of ten Kitfoxes had come in earlier in the day
and sucked them dry! (Fortunately the kind and extravagant lady at
the FBO went to the effort of sumping their tanks to dredge up 10
gallons of 100LL for me to add by gas-can.) This brought a laugh
because the flight of ten was, of course, Lowell's group coming
through en-masse.
What followed was a weekend of eating, drinking, flying and
lies, with a little seriousness thrown in for good measure. Some impressions:
Most of the lies, outrageous as they are, are probably true.
Heard on the radio during Saturday morning's mass flight:
"Buckeye traffic, flight of five Kitfoxes for left 35."
"Hey Stan, I saw a canal off to the right. I'm goin' to check it out."
"Me too." "I'm in." "I'm with you."
"Fox 1 here. How many planes are still with me."
<silence>
"Hell I'm not goin' to miss this. Fox 1 away."
"There it is! Hal's in."
"Hey Hal, that canal looks pretty skinny. You sure you gonna fit?"
"YeeeeHaaawwww"
"Mark's in."
"Hey Hal, you goin' under that bridge?"
"Looks pretty low."
"Waaaahoooo!"
"Hey do you guy's know you're headed right at each other?"
"I'll go high."
"Man look at the spray."
A rush, yanking and banking between the hills, making sure
the tips stay out of the trees; my first time. As I was the lone 582,
my flight graciously let me set the pace and stayed with me throughout.
Back to Thunder Ridge for more good food. On the way back
I'm flying low, probably 100', when Hal goes by lower by at least
80'. It looks fun so I hammer it and drop to his six. He then shows
me some more "Kitfoxin'" as we duck and weave through the foothills,
stirring up dust. My favorite is shooting the ridges, up and over the
top at zero-g, then back down the other side: thrilling.
High speed pass at Thunder Ridge. Wind the 582 to 6700 and
hold it at 30' all the way down the runway. Break left, and teardrop
right for 17.
The great food, especially breakfast.
Waking up at daybreak in the hanger to a beautiful sunrise.
Looking over the shoulder at one of the Desert Fox crew
showing pictures of his new kit, then his previous plane, then the
wreckage, then his seriously gruesome wounds, then his recovery. He
introduces himself: Michael Gibbs, back flying and little worse for
wear. His attitude is incredible. I am inspired.
Sunday morning everybody got up, loaded, said their
good-by's, and left. I made a more leisurely departure, as I had 11
or so hours ahead of me to Ft. Worth. The trip was uneventful, except
to tell Lynn that you can wind your way through the mountains east of
Phoenix, finally negotiating Guadeloupe pass, and never go over
7500'. (You can also stay south, going west to Tucson without having
to wind your way between the passes.) I stayed the night at Cavern
City, near Carlsbad, New Mexico, but couldn't get a rental car to go
see the Caverns.
The next day I flew on to Ft. Worth, where I met Bob Ducar,
the original 11 year veteran of my Kitfox build. The next day he flew
me around the Dallas/Ft. Worth class B delighting in his airplane
while I navigated and worked the radios. I showed him some "Kitfoxin"
at one of the many reservoirs, yankin' and bankin' along the shore at
low level, then flying slow with the doors open. We then went back to
the airport where I showed him some short field work and then it was
back to the hangar for pictures and stories. Bob was so excited he
called his wife and exclaimed, "Hey honey, I'm getting another
airplane!" She put that thought to rest, but Bob's happiness made the
whole trip worthwhile.
After lunch Bob reciprocated with a tour of Lockheed Martin,
showing me the Joint Strike Fighter fabrication facility among other
things. Very impressive.
That night a cold front swept through leaving behind 40 mph
tail winds. Not one to let a good thing go to waste I high-tailed out
of Ft. Worth early the next morning.
You'll get a laugh out of this. So I'm cruising along at 80
MIAS and 115 on the GPS. Hmmm, I think. I thought it was supposed to
be a 40 mph tail wind. Sure looks fast out the window. Squint at the
GPS. Squint some more. "Damn, what's that "kt" next to the 115?" Nah,
it can't be. (Fiddle with the GPS menus.) "SUMBITCH! The GPS is
showin' KNOTS! I wonder when that happened?" Set to mph the GPS
showed 132 over the ground! That damn GPS has been on knots since day
one! I've been pissin and moanin' about my speed for the past nine
months and the damn GPS has been on knots the whole time. How
embarrassing. I guess it could have been worse. No wonder Lowell
thought I was going fast back at Thunder Ridge.
I had tail winds all the way there, and all the way home. I
attribute it to good, clean, living.
See you at Cameron Park!
Guy Buchanan
K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 100% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar.
Message 32
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Re: 912 UL with IVO props |
I meant to say I don't like to go below 5200 rpm, I will say 5200 rpm is a nice
smooth, quit setting. The IVO with 70" seems a little much in my opinion for
the rpms. I would like a little more rpms. So my thought after getting the
engine to run correctly, is to cut 1/4 inch off and see what happens, it is suppose
to increase the rpms by doing this. I have a bunch more pitch that i can
put into the prop, so I don't think it will hurt, but help.
--------
kitfoxmike
model IV, 1200
speedster
912ul
Do not archive
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=105560#105560
Message 33
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Re: Poly/Plastic tanks |
At 03:08 PM 4/7/2007, you wrote:
>So, the suspected cracks are real and the material appears to be
>very brittle. Also, about a year or so ago, my rotary valve tank
>cracked to the point of leaking badly.
I'm not sure why it happens. My original polyethylene oil tank
shattered in my hands before it was even used. I think it was about
10 years old. All I can think is that polyethylene hardens with age,
though I haven't verified that. It is true, however, that if I put
polyethylene tanks anywhere I would make sure they were easy to
replace, without having to re-cover.
Guy Buchanan
K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 100% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar.
Message 34
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Most HP on a Kitfox? |
I am curious as to what is the most HP (horsepower) has been put on a Kitfox.
I think the most I have seen is the 125 from the IO240. It is possible that some
guys have done some work to their engines to get more than this but...so another
question:
what is the maximum hp that the kitfox is rated for? And, is the issue total hp
from the engine or the weight of the engines that produce these larger hp outputs?
I am asking because I am trying to determine what engine to use and I think I have
narrowed it down to either a 914 turbo or the Ram Engines 140 hp EA81. I
am leaning toward the EA81 simply because of price and I do like the extra hp
that it puts out. However, Ram also offers this exact engine but with a low boost
supercharger that kicks in around 4000 rpm and produces up to 200 hp at WOT
(6200 rpm). That redline is a bit high for my blood but 170 hp at 5500 rpm
would be awesome! What is the groups thoughts on this...can the Kitfox (this
is a Series 7 by the way) handle this kind of power? I am not worried about
the weight as it is less than the IO240.
I am an engineer so I have contemplated using the static thrust produced by the
engine and calcing the stresses in the frame members but thought it would be
nice to see if anything like this has been done before. After all, I have seen
an IO540 (260 hp) in a Super Cub before...
All thoughts and comments are very appreciated.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=105592#105592
Message 35
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Re: Most HP on a Kitfox? |
Hi Darin,
Some of the Ea-81 guys have had engines up to 160 HP
that I have heard of. Mine is rated as 143 hp. So it
has been done to 160 anyway.
>From my testing, I find the prop gyro forces are
something to consdier too. If you have a lot of
power, you need a prop that will handle it. Prop
weight and gyro forces should be watched. Could be
bigger stressers than engine weight alone.
I say this because I have some cowl scratches from my
spinner cause by my spin testing. My CAP 140 prop
weighs 125 lbs. My engine mounts are fairly soft
though....
If you can get the HP and stay under the IO-240 weight
with a light enough prop, it would seem a good package
to me.
What thrust in pounds are you expecting to see from
your desired engine?
Kurt S. S-5 w/NSI 140 turbo
--- darinh <gerns25@netscape.net> wrote:
> I am curious as to what is the most HP (horsepower)
> has been put on a Kitfox. I think the most I have
> seen is the 125 from the IO240. It is possible that
> some guys have done some work to their engines to
> get more than this but...so another question:
>
> what is the maximum hp that the kitfox is rated for?
8:00? 8:25? 8:40? Find a flick in no time
with the Yahoo! Search movie showtime shortcut.
http://tools.search.yahoo.com/shortcuts/#news
Message 36
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | S5 first flight photos |
It's obviously been a good couple of weeks for first flights.
Congratulations to Tom. Here are a couple of shots of OE-AMJ during early
flights from Stockerau near Vienna. Most problems, including intermittent
rough running, appear to have been solved and the longest flight has been 56
mins. The test pilot reports 1000 fpm with pilot and full fuel and cruise of
98kts. These are to be confirmed with more testing and at the end of the
process I will post all of the figures. I will be at the airfield later and
will get better photos. It certainly is a nice plane and it has been
interesting to see the test pilot become increasingly enthusiastic.
Kerry.
>
>
_________________________________________________________________
Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today it's FREE!
Message 37
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
HI Guys, have a happy Easter break and fly safe.
Regards
Graeme Toft
Other Matronics Email List Services
These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.
-- Please support this service by making your Contribution today! --
|