---------------------------------------------------------- Kitfox-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Fri 04/13/07: 37 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 12:53 AM - Re: Trimming Acrylic Windshield (Michael Gibbs) 2. 01:53 AM - Re: Kitfox List Admin Retirement (Don Smythe) 3. 03:22 AM - Re: Locktite on spinner bolt. (Michel Verheughe) 4. 07:00 AM - Re: Locktite on spinner bolt. (Jose M. Toro) 5. 07:03 AM - Looking for a Kitfox (Randy Tavishati) 6. 07:12 AM - Re: Kitfox powder coat surface rusting?? (A Smith) 7. 07:21 AM - Re: loctite on spinner bolt (Clem Nichols) 8. 07:32 AM - Re: Re: loctite on spinner bolt () 9. 07:34 AM - Kitfox List Admin Retirement (Fred Shiple) 10. 08:26 AM - Re: Kitfox List Admin Retirement (Guy Buchanan) 11. 08:26 AM - Re: Locktite on spinner bolt. (Guy Buchanan) 12. 08:49 AM - CCI VG's on the Avid Flyer STOL (fox5flyer) 13. 09:01 AM - Re: Looking for a Kitfox (Kenneth and Alice Jones) 14. 10:15 AM - Re: Kitfox powder coat surface rusting?? (Randy Daughenbaugh) 15. 10:18 AM - Re: Kitfox powder coat surface rusting?? (Jerry Liles) 16. 10:20 AM - Re: CCI VG's on the Avid Flyer STOL (Larry Martin) 17. 11:13 AM - Kitfox Classic IV For Sale (Paul) 18. 11:57 AM - Not going to Sun-n-Fun (jdmcbean) 19. 12:01 PM - Re: loctite on spinner bolt (kitfoxmike) 20. 01:41 PM - Re: Kitfox List Admin Retirement (GONER752@aol.com) 21. 01:44 PM - Re: Locktite on spinner bolt. (Michel Verheughe) 22. 01:57 PM - Re: Locktite on spinner bolt. (GONER752@aol.com) 23. 02:30 PM - Re: Looking for a Kitfox (Glenn Horne) 24. 03:00 PM - Re: Looking for a Kitfox (randyta@comcast.net (Randy)) 25. 03:04 PM - Re: Locktite on spinner bolt. (Lynn Matteson) 26. 03:16 PM - Re: Looking for a Kitfox (Don Smythe) 27. 04:10 PM - Re: Looking for a Kitfox (randyta@comcast.net (Randy)) 28. 04:10 PM - Re: Re: CCI VG's on the Avid Flyer STOL (Randy Daughenbaugh) 29. 05:23 PM - Re: New List administrators coming on board (Noel Loveys) 30. 05:36 PM - Re: New List administrators coming on board (Don Smythe) 31. 05:38 PM - Re: Kitfox powder coat surface rusting?? (Noel Loveys) 32. 05:42 PM - Re: Kitfox List Admin Retirement (Noel Loveys) 33. 06:18 PM - Re: Not going to Sun-n-Fun (kurt schrader) 34. 06:51 PM - Re: Re: CCI VG's on the Avid Flyer STOL (kurt schrader) 35. 07:02 PM - Re: CCI VG's on the Avid Flyer STOL (kurt schrader) 36. 07:10 PM - Re: Kitfox 5 Flight tests (kurt schrader) 37. 08:48 PM - Re: Locktite on spinner bolt. (Rexinator) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 12:53:37 AM PST US From: Michael Gibbs Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Trimming Acrylic Windshield Larry sez: >That is interesting. I wonder how many different brands they used. >Mine is a 4-1200. Is yours also? Can't remember when but seems like >Aug 92. Yes, mine was a IV-1200. We purchased the kit around that same time frame. Mike G. N728KF >>What ser # was yours? Mine is (I think) 1805. We must be pretty close >>together. > > Mine original Model IV was serial number 1803 and it came with Lexan. > > Mike G. > N728KF ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 01:53:40 AM PST US From: "Don Smythe" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Kitfox List Admin Retirement Don and Deke, It's been a long and good journey. Don, I met you once at S-N-F (you don't remember that) and Deke, I remember when your name used to be Darrel. Thanks to both of you for all your hard work. Don Smythe Do Not Archive ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 03:22:02 AM PST US From: Michel Verheughe Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Locktite on spinner bolt. While on the subject of spinners ... I have a Jabiru engine with a Jabiru prop and a Jabiru spinner; glassfiber with six screws. It works fine but when I see it with the engine at idle, I can see it wobbling. So, I try to get it in-line with the help of a reference stick, a pencil line, marking the "offending" side, loosening the screws (the holes in the glassfiber are a little bit greater for that purpose) moving slightly the spinner, then screw again. But I never manage to get it perfect, it always wobbles a bit, however I work on it. I remove the spinner about 4 times per year, to check the prop bolts torquing. Do your spinner spin perfectly smooth or do you also have a slight wobble? Thanks. While I am at it: A big cheer for the departing list moderators and another one for the new ones! Cheers, Michel
________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 07:00:00 AM PST US From: "Jose M. Toro" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Locktite on spinner bolt. Hola Michel: When I had the 582, my spinner also had a slight wobble. That never was a problem! saludos! Jos ----- Original Message ---- From: Michel Verheughe Sent: Friday, April 13, 2007 6:21:06 AM Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Locktite on spinner bolt. While on the subject of spinners ... I have a Jabiru engine with a Jabiru prop and a Jabiru spinner; glassfiber with six screws. It works fine but when I see it with the engine at idle, I can see it wobbling. So, I try to get it in-line with the help of a reference stick, a pencil line, marking the "offending" side, loosening the screws (the holes in the glassfiber are a little bit greater for that purpose) moving slightly the spinner, then screw again. But I never manage to get it perfect, it always wobbles a bit, however I work on it. I remove the spinner about 4 times per year, to check the prop bolts torquing. Do your spinner spin perfectly smooth or do you also have a slight wobble? Thanks. While I am at it: A big cheer for the departing list moderators and another one for the new ones! Cheers, Michel
__________________________________________________ ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 07:03:53 AM PST US From: "Randy Tavishati" Subject: Kitfox-List: Looking for a Kitfox Morning Group, I'm new to the list and live in VA. I'm looking for a Kitfox model 4 or later and if you are thinking about parting with yours or know of someone that is, I would appreciate an E-mail. Thanks for your help. Randy ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 07:12:14 AM PST US From: "A Smith" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Kitfox powder coat surface rusting?? Powder coat rusting??? Not unless it has contaminates in it or is coming up from underneath it or migrated from some other area. This has to be checked soon. See if it will clean off and then check for pin holes where it is coming up through. I have used a product called Rust Fix. It does a chemical thing with the rust and turns black, works good on my truck rebuild. Probably not good with structural parts. With the info you have given that is all I have. Albert ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 07:21:30 AM PST US From: "Clem Nichols" Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: loctite on spinner bolt Personally I have never used any type of loctite on my spinner bolt, and it has never been a problem. My prop is also a left-turning one. If you feel that you must use loctite, then use the blue rather than the red. Once it's set up the red can be loosened only by heating it, and I don't think you want to put a torch to your spinner. Clem Nichols ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 07:32:20 AM PST US From: Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: loctite on spinner bolt I am pretty sure UHS calls for blue locktite on the spinnersi have installed. http://uhsspinners.com/index.html Don't have the sheet in front of me though. They do make a class spinner and are locally near me . That being said , I have not used loctite on some other spinners and never had an issue. Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: Clem Nichols To: kitfox list Sent: Friday, April 13, 2007 10:21 AM Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: loctite on spinner bolt Personally I have never used any type of loctite on my spinner bolt, and it has never been a problem. My prop is also a left-turning one. If you feel that you must use loctite, then use the blue rather than the red. Once it's set up the red can be loosened only by heating it, and I don't think you want to put a torch to your spinner. Clem Nichols ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 07:34:38 AM PST US From: Fred Shiple Subject: Kitfox-List: Kitfox List Admin Retirement Deke and Don, Thanks for your time and efforts over the years. You did good! Fred ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 08:26:31 AM PST US From: Guy Buchanan Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Kitfox List Admin Retirement At 06:16 PM 4/12/2007, you wrote: >Shortly you'll be receiving an introduction letter from long-time >list members Guy Buchanan and Michael Gibbs as new list administrators. Wow. I guess the cat's out of the bag. I guess I'd better figure out how all this stuff works! I've got my uniform, boots, and billy; all that's left on order is the e-Tazer. After Michael and I come to agreement we'll be sending out the new list of rules, punishments and fines for you miscreants. Crack! Snap! Guy Buchanan San Diego, CA K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 100% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar. Do not archive ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 08:26:31 AM PST US From: Guy Buchanan Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Locktite on spinner bolt. At 03:21 AM 4/13/2007, you wrote: >Do your spinner spin perfectly smooth or do you also have a slight >wobble? Thanks. I have a 10" UHS fiberglass spinner. The tip runs true, but the trailing edge wobbles all over. I don't think the mounting flange was tooled very well. Guy Buchanan San Diego, CA K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 100% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar. ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 08:49:39 AM PST US From: "fox5flyer" Subject: Kitfox-List: CCI VG's on the Avid Flyer STOL Larry, this is one some of the most well written data that I've seen yet regarding VGs and is exactly what I've been waiting to see before I make the move to installing some on my S5. One thing, you stated you had a ten mph increase in cruise with just the VGs on the HZ. What happened when you installed them on the wings? How, if any, did it affect your cruise airspeed? Great report and one that I'm definitely keeping. Deke CCI VG's on the Avid Flyer STOL This is a report of my findings using CCI VG's on the Avid Flyer STOL wing aircraft. Background: The aircraft is an Avid Flyer TD STOL wing with a Rotax 582, 3:1 gearbox, Culver 74x48 prop. Built according to the kit/plans with no modifications except for "Grove" landing gear. (heavier) Published allowable center of gravity is 11.185 to 16.5. This aircraft was at 13.5". Designed stall speed at approximately 900lbs in flight weight is 32.5 mph. ...snip ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 09:01:25 AM PST US From: "Kenneth and Alice Jones" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Looking for a Kitfox Hi Randy: I suggest you look at Barnstormers.com. Lots of IV's there Ken ----- Original Message ----- From: Randy Tavishati To: kitfox-list@matronics.com Sent: Friday, April 13, 2007 10:03 AM Subject: Kitfox-List: Looking for a Kitfox Morning Group, I'm new to the list and live in VA. I'm looking for a Kitfox model 4 or later and if you are thinking about parting with yours or know of someone that is, I would appreciate an E-mail. Thanks for your help. Randy ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 10:15:39 AM PST US From: "Randy Daughenbaugh" Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Kitfox powder coat surface rusting?? Albert, I was thinking the same thing. George, are you sure it is power coating and not just a paint? Randy . _____ From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of A Smith Sent: Friday, April 13, 2007 8:12 AM Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Kitfox powder coat surface rusting?? Powder coat rusting??? Not unless it has contaminates in it or is coming up from underneath it or migrated from some other area. This has to be checked soon. See if it will clean off and then check for pin holes where it is coming up through. I have used a product called Rust Fix. It does a chemical thing with the rust and turns black, works good on my truck rebuild. Probably not good with structural parts. With the info you have given that is all I have. Albert ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 10:18:45 AM PST US From: Jerry Liles Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Kitfox powder coat surface rusting?? A powder coat works to prevent rusting by providing a barrier to Oxygen . It otherwise has no antirust capabilities such as is provided by chromate epoxy paints. If powder coat is applied over rust, or is too thin, or incomplete, or the barrier is broken rust will progress quite happily beneath the powder coat. The only thing you can do is remove the powder coat, remove the rust, apply a phosphate conversion coating to take care of any residual corrosion in pits, and paint with a corrosion inhibiting paint. Jerry Liles >==================================== > > ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 10:20:40 AM PST US From: "Larry Martin" Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: CCI VG's on the Avid Flyer STOL Deke, The cruise speed remained +10 with the vgs on the wing. I usually cruise (stol wing - no where to go) at 5400 rpm (582/3:1 box) and I always had a comfortable 74 ias. Now, I can hold 74 with only 4900-5000 rpm. Setting 5400 puts it at 85 ias, but with the stol wing, the drag is already starting to build at this speed. The gain in speed comes from the tail now doing its job, and allowing the wing to do its. Larry ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 11:13:08 AM PST US From: "Paul" Subject: Kitfox-List: Kitfox Classic IV For Sale I am passing in the following email for anyone who may be interested. Kitfox Kit For Sale: My wife and I have a Kitfox IV 1200 project that needs a new home. We purchased ser# 1724 in 1992 for $15,138 and have not progressed past roughing in the wings. We hope to find an EAA'er that would like to acquire this project. Additional info: Powder coated - blue 2 - 13 gal wing tanks Additional components: altimeter compass hourmeter quad gauge slid-skid indicator tachometer-Rotax 912 vertical speed indicator ELT dual brakes If anyone in your chapter has an interest or would like more info: Phil & Nancy Ebert (763) 519-0895 pnebert@msn.com $5,000 to the 1st respondent. Thanks, Phil Ebert EAA #390399 ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 11:57:50 AM PST US From: "jdmcbean" Subject: Kitfox-List: Not going to Sun-n-Fun Hey guys Just thought I would attach the latest going out for release Thanks for your support and make sure to take a look at the Airshow schedule.. Hope to see you soon. The Factory Fly-in is scheduled for September 1st Labor Day weekend. Fly Safe !! John & Debra McBean 208.337.5111 www.kitfoxaircraft.com "It's not how Fast... It's how Fun!" ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 12:01:54 PM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: loctite on spinner bolt From: "kitfoxmike" If this is the spinner that has a single bolt on the front, I would say yes indeedy you need locktite on the bolt. I have that type on the IVO prop that I just put on and the instructions say locktite and torque to 35inch pounds, right, no way, I went to 100 inch and used red locktite. Oh and if you haven't had a spinner come off, wait until one does come off, I personally have had this happen, thought it was a bird and until I landed and found the spinner gone and two blades wiped. Locktite and torque and check regularly. After all anything that is bolted on the airplane needs to be installed as best as can be. After all you are up in air not on the ground traveling along. -------- kitfoxmike model IV, 1200 speedster 912ul Do not archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=106739#106739 ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 01:41:20 PM PST US From: GONER752@aol.com Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Kitfox List Admin Retirement Deke and Don, All too often it is the "behind the scenes" people that do the most work and receive the least thanks. So, from me, thank you both. I hope you both will continue to contribute to the list, as it has become (imho) the "go to" place for all questions Kitfox. And then some.:-) It is nice to know that no matter what one comes across, from a mod.1 to a mod.7, someone on the list has the answer. You can be proud of what you have accomplished here. Admittedly, I receive far more from the list than I contribute, but that's because I'm still wet behind the ears with my Kitfox. I wish you both the best of luck and future success. Best Regards, Greg Gerace 375KL Mod 2 582 do not archive ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 01:44:41 PM PST US From: Michel Verheughe Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Locktite on spinner bolt. Thanks for your replies, Jose and Guy. On Apr 13, 2007, at 5:24 PM, Guy Buchanan wrote: > I don't think the mounting flange was tooled very well. Hum, thinking of it, my mounting flange is also glassfiber and maybe it is not too well centred either. I didn't think of that. Will check. Cheers, Michel do not archive ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 01:57:21 PM PST US From: GONER752@aol.com Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Locktite on spinner bolt. Michel, Just a thought here. Have you tried this. Remove the spinner and place it big end down on a flat surface, then lay a pencil on the surface( you may have to block up the pencil to the location of the holes) and then simply slide the pencil on the surface as you draw a line around the spinner. That should give you an accurate "reference" line for the screws. Providing of course the spinner is symmetrical in relation to it's base,or big end. Regards, Greg G. 375KL Mod 2 582 ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 02:30:28 PM PST US From: "Glenn Horne" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Looking for a Kitfox Got a Model II for sale. Suffolk, Va. Glenn Horne ----- Original Message ----- From: Randy Tavishati To: kitfox-list@matronics.com Sent: Friday, April 13, 2007 10:03 AM Subject: Kitfox-List: Looking for a Kitfox Morning Group, I'm new to the list and live in VA. I'm looking for a Kitfox model 4 or later and if you are thinking about parting with yours or know of someone that is, I would appreciate an E-mail. Thanks for your help. Randy ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 03:00:08 PM PST US From: randyta@comcast.net (Randy) Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Looking for a Kitfox Thanks for responding Glenn but I'm looking for a model 4 or later. Randy -------------- Original message -------------- From: "Glenn Horne" Got a Model II for sale. Suffolk, Va. Glenn Horne ----- Original Message ----- From: Randy Tavishati Sent: Friday, April 13, 2007 10:03 AM Subject: Kitfox-List: Looking for a Kitfox Morning Group, I'm new to the list and live in VA. I'm looking for a Kitfox model 4 or later and if you are thinking about parting with yours or know of someone that is, I would appreciate an E-mail. Thanks for your help. 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Thanks for responding Glenn but I'm looking for a model 4 or later.
 
Randy
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Got a Model II for sale. Suffolk, Va.
Glenn Horne
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Morning Group,
 
I'm new to the list and live in VA.  I'm looking for a Kitfox model 4 or later and if you are thinking about parting with yours or know of someone that is, I would appreciate an E-mail.
 
Thanks for your help.
 
Randy


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________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 03:04:24 PM PST US From: Lynn Matteson Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Locktite on spinner bolt. Michel and others- I mounted my mounting flange in the lathe and made a fine cut on the flange so as to minimize the runout. I couldn't take much off, as the fiberglass is thin. Lynn On Apr 13, 2007, at 4:44 PM, Michel Verheughe wrote: > > Thanks for your replies, Jose and Guy. > > On Apr 13, 2007, at 5:24 PM, Guy Buchanan wrote: >> I don't think the mounting flange was tooled very well. > > Hum, thinking of it, my mounting flange is also glassfiber and > maybe it is not too well centred either. I didn't think of that. > Will check. > > Cheers, > Michel > > do not archive > > ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 03:16:38 PM PST US From: "Don Smythe" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Looking for a Kitfox Randy, Did you get my email concerning my Classic IV? Don Smythe Do Not Archive ----- Original Message ----- From: Randy To: kitfox-list@matronics.com Sent: Friday, April 13, 2007 5:59 PM Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Looking for a Kitfox Thanks for responding Glenn but I'm looking for a model 4 or later. Randy -------------- Original message -------------- From: "Glenn Horne" Got a Model II for sale. Suffolk, Va. Glenn Horne ----- Original Message ----- From: Randy Tavishati To: kitfox-list@matronics.com Sent: Friday, April 13, 2007 10:03 AM Subject: Kitfox-List: Looking for a Kitfox Morning Group, I'm new to the list and live in VA. I'm looking for a Kitfox model 4 or later and if you are thinking about parting with yours or know of someone that is, I would appreciate an E-mail. Thanks for your help. Randy href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List">http://www.matron href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 04:10:09 PM PST US From: randyta@comcast.net (Randy) Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Looking for a Kitfox ________________________________ Message 28 ____________________________________ Time: 04:10:10 PM PST US From: "Randy Daughenbaugh" Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re: CCI VG's on the Avid Flyer STOL Larry, Thanks for the good info. I have been waiting on VG's until I was pretty familiar with my plane. Your great report has got me going. Randy Do not archive . _____ From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Larry Martin Sent: Friday, April 13, 2007 11:11 AM Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: CCI VG's on the Avid Flyer STOL Deke, The cruise speed remained +10 with the vgs on the wing. I usually cruise (stol wing - no where to go) at 5400 rpm (582/3:1 box) and I always had a comfortable 74 ias. Now, I can hold 74 with only 4900-5000 rpm. Setting 5400 puts it at 85 ias, but with the stol wing, the drag is already starting to build at this speed. The gain in speed comes from the tail now doing its job, and allowing the wing to do its. Larry ________________________________ Message 29 ____________________________________ Time: 05:23:52 PM PST US From: "Noel Loveys" Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: New List administrators coming on board Said with a touch of class. Stay in touch. Noel > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of > Don Pearsall > Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2007 10:19 PM > To: kitfox-list@matronics.com > Subject: Kitfox-List: New List administrators coming on board > > > > > After 13 years of being on the Kitfox List, being banned from > the Kitfox > List and then ending up moderating the Kitfox list I have > decided to turn my > job over to Michael Gibbs, a longtime member and contributor > of the list. I > have enjoyed every day of communicating with all the members > here and it has > been an enormous help to me both in building a Kitfox as well > as making good > friends around the world. Through the list I was able to > speak with and get > to know 100's of people that I would never have otherwise > been aware of. I > am sure it is the same with you too. > > The List has gone through many changes. The founding member, > Jim Simmons of > Boulder, CO first hosted the site through colorado.edu, then > switched to his > internet provider sni.net, and then I took over the hosting > job and hosted > the list through sportflight.com. In 2003, Deke and I made > the hard decision > to move the list to Matronics so we could have a more > professional hosting > service and that is where the list resides now. > > If you want to take a trip down memory lane, all the list > messages are still > available. You can view the messages from 1994 - 2000 through > my website > http://sportflight.com/archives/. From year 2000 to 2003 you > can view the > messages via a Yahoo archive at > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/kitfoxlist/, > and of course all messages from 2003 to present are available > here on the > Matronics site. > > I want to specifically thank Deke Morisse for > co-administering the list. He > has spent 100's of hours over the years helping monitor the > list and being > pro-active in preventing problems. He has done this for no > other reward than > to make the list available for all members. Thanks Deke! > > Don Pearsall > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 30 ____________________________________ Time: 05:36:03 PM PST US From: "Don Smythe" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: New List administrators coming on board Noel, You forgot "Do Not Archive". These new guys are going to be tough as nails. Those OLD guys were getting lazy and laid back. Don Smythe Do Not Archive ----- Original Message ----- From: "Noel Loveys" Sent: Friday, April 13, 2007 8:22 PM Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: New List administrators coming on board > > Said with a touch of class. Stay in touch. > > Noel > > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com >> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of >> Don Pearsall >> Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2007 10:19 PM >> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com >> Subject: Kitfox-List: New List administrators coming on board >> >> >> >> >> After 13 years of being on the Kitfox List, being banned from >> the Kitfox >> List and then ending up moderating the Kitfox list I have >> decided to turn my >> job over to Michael Gibbs, a longtime member and contributor >> of the list. I >> have enjoyed every day of communicating with all the members >> here and it has >> been an enormous help to me both in building a Kitfox as well >> as making good >> friends around the world. Through the list I was able to >> speak with and get >> to know 100's of people that I would never have otherwise >> been aware of. I >> am sure it is the same with you too. >> >> The List has gone through many changes. The founding member, >> Jim Simmons of >> Boulder, CO first hosted the site through colorado.edu, then >> switched to his >> internet provider sni.net, and then I took over the hosting >> job and hosted >> the list through sportflight.com. In 2003, Deke and I made >> the hard decision >> to move the list to Matronics so we could have a more >> professional hosting >> service and that is where the list resides now. >> >> If you want to take a trip down memory lane, all the list >> messages are still >> available. You can view the messages from 1994 - 2000 through >> my website >> http://sportflight.com/archives/. From year 2000 to 2003 you >> can view the >> messages via a Yahoo archive at >> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/kitfoxlist/, >> and of course all messages from 2003 to present are available >> here on the >> Matronics site. >> >> I want to specifically thank Deke Morisse for >> co-administering the list. He >> has spent 100's of hours over the years helping monitor the >> list and being >> pro-active in preventing problems. He has done this for no >> other reward than >> to make the list available for all members. Thanks Deke! >> >> Don Pearsall >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > ________________________________ Message 31 ____________________________________ Time: 05:38:29 PM PST US From: "Noel Loveys" Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Kitfox powder coat surface rusting?? Well stated Jerry. The only thing I would like to add is rusting usually requires an electrolyte like water or even water vapour. Ferrous metals kept in a really dry location (say Nevada) won't rust without the aid of a humidifier in the hangar. With any miniscule amount of moisture in the air and microscopic cracks in the powder coat filiform corrosion will creep under the "good" coating. The sooner corrective action is taken the better. Noel > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of > Jerry Liles > Sent: Friday, April 13, 2007 2:48 PM > To: kitfox-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Kitfox powder coat surface rusting?? > > > > A powder coat works to prevent rusting by providing a barrier > to Oxygen > . It otherwise has no antirust capabilities such as is provided by > chromate epoxy paints. If powder coat is applied over rust, > or is too > thin, or incomplete, or the barrier is broken rust will > progress quite > happily beneath the powder coat. The only thing you can do is remove > the powder coat, remove the rust, apply a phosphate > conversion coating > to take care of any residual corrosion in pits, and paint with a > corrosion inhibiting paint. > > Jerry Liles > > > >==================================== > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 32 ____________________________________ Time: 05:42:48 PM PST US From: "Noel Loveys" Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Kitfox List Admin Retirement Thanks to you and Don. Noel -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of fox5flyer Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2007 10:47 PM Subject: Kitfox-List: Kitfox List Admin Retirement For those of you out there who aren't aware of it, Don Pearsall and I have been the co-administrators for the kitfox for a lot of years. After long period of discussions between Don and I, I'm posting this message to announce my retirement from the duties of Kitfox List Administration. Many years ago Don and I simultaneously assumed the management of the list. Previous to that Don hosted it and Jim Crowder was the moderator. It even goes much farther back than that, but that's another story. It's been a very rewarding job that has led us through several challenges, including the complete loss of list functions due to server problems, changes to hosting entities, and finally to where we made the decision to move to Matt Dralle's Matronics where things have been more automated and very stable. It was a lot of work making the changes, but the result was worth the effort. It was a couple of years ago that Don and I started talking about retiring. Don sold his project a few years ago and he no longer has a Kitfox and has been spending his time, money, and effort as list admin out of the kindness of his heart. I'm still flying my Kitfox and have no immediate intention of changing that, but I've been doing this for a very long time and we've both decided that the time has come for us to gracefully bow out and leave the administrative functions to some new blood. Shortly you'll be receiving an introduction letter from long-time list members Guy Buchanan and Michael Gibbs as new list administrators. They're both very capable guys and I have no doubt that they'll do an effective and fair job in the management process. I have no doubt that you will all give them the full support that you've given to Don and I. Best Regards, Deke Morisse S5 NE Michigan ________________________________ Message 33 ____________________________________ Time: 06:18:04 PM PST US From: kurt schrader Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Not going to Sun-n-Fun OOOOOOOOOOOkkkkkkkkkkk John, Sorry we won't get to see you at Sun&Fun, but really gald it is due to business going well. Hope the hangar is filled with the smell of success. Kurt S. Do not archive --- jdmcbean wrote: > Hey guys Just thought I would attach the latest > going out for release > > Thanks for your support and make sure to take a look > at the Airshow > schedule.. Hope to see you soon. > > The Factory Fly-in is scheduled for September 1st > Labor Day weekend. > > Fly Safe !! > John & Debra McBean > 208.337.5111 > www.kitfoxaircraft.com > "It's not how Fast... It's how Fun!" __________________________________________________ ________________________________ Message 34 ____________________________________ Time: 06:51:22 PM PST US From: kurt schrader Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: CCI VG's on the Avid Flyer STOL I am keeping a copy of your report too Larry. Great job! You got the kind of gains VG's should provide, though it seems most were gained from your tail installation. I think VG's can provide a significant drag reduction on a lot of planes, homebuilts and store bought, if we just experimented more with them. Looking at a friend's Aztec made me think those engine cowls have to be draggy and could use VG's to gain some speed. I might try some on my lower cowling to enhance cooling too. These little devices can have a lot of beneficial applications. Thanks for the report, Kurt S. S-5 --- Larry Martin wrote: > Deke, > > The cruise speed remained +10 with the vgs on the > wing. I usually cruise (stol wing - no where to go) > at 5400 rpm (582/3:1 box) and I always had a > comfortable 74 ias. Now, I can hold 74 with only > 4900-5000 rpm. Setting 5400 puts it at 85 ias, but > with the stol wing, the drag is already starting to > build at this speed. The gain in speed comes from > the tail now doing its job, and allowing the wing to > do its. > > Larry __________________________________________________ ________________________________ Message 35 ____________________________________ Time: 07:02:52 PM PST US From: kurt schrader Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: CCI VG's on the Avid Flyer STOL I figured as much Clem, But it was an opportunity to write you again, if just to bug you, ha ha. My computer is screwing up lately too. One of my cleanup programs seems to be attacking my word processor and a few other things it thinks are bad. I am trying to not to lose documents over it, but have no time to fix it right now. My cousin and her hubby just left after being here for 4 days. I needed the entertainment break, but now I am behind and have to catch up again. The good news is the house got cleaned and better organized. The bad news is I slept on the couch because the rest of the house isn't furnished yet. One day... I mean, aaaa "I have a dream..." Well, back to catching up some more. I am no where near working on my plane yet. Poor thing. And my flying skills are not getting excercise either. :-( Kurt __________________________________________________ ________________________________ Message 36 ____________________________________ Time: 07:10:17 PM PST US From: kurt schrader Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Kitfox 5 Flight tests Hi Mark, What weight, temperature, and altitude were you testing at? It will be interesting to see your GPS results to confirm speeds. I think you are probably right on the static error, but GPS testing of the ASI will be more accurate. The higher stall seems close to mine, but again weights need to be close. Kurt S. S-5 --- RRTRACK@aol.com wrote: > After three days of flight testing my Kitfox 5 > Vixen, 912 UL, 68" three blade GSC @16.5 degrees > pitch I am starting to get some real data to work > with. > > STATIC PORT - I believe the ASI is not reading > correctly. __________________________________________________ ________________________________ Message 37 ____________________________________ Time: 08:48:27 PM PST US From: Rexinator Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Locktite on spinner bolt. Wait a sec! If that's a Aluminum spinner you don't want to use a lead pencil right? Something about potential corrosion I think. Rex Colorado GONER752@aol.com wrote: > Michel, > Just a thought here. Have you tried this. Remove the spinner and > place it big end down on a flat surface, then lay a pencil on the > surface( you may have to block up the pencil to the location of the > holes) and then simply slide the pencil on the surface as you draw a > line around the spinner. That should give you an accurate "reference" > line for the screws. Providing of course the spinner is symmetrical in > relation to it's base,or big end. > Regards, > Greg G. > > 375KL > Mod 2 > 582 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message kitfox-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Kitfox-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/kitfox-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/kitfox-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.