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1. 02:54 AM - Re: Re: Who's goin' to Sun 'n' Fun? (Lynn Matteson)
2. 05:35 AM - Re: Locktite on spinner bolt. (Noel Loveys)
3. 06:05 AM - Re: Locktite on spinner bolt. (Bob)
4. 06:14 AM - Where could we have a FAQ? (Bob)
5. 06:19 AM - Re: Classic IV wing mods (Dave G.)
6. 06:39 AM - Re: Kitfox powder coat surface rusting?? (Tom Jones)
7. 06:40 AM - Re: Where could we have a FAQ? ()
8. 06:45 AM - Re: Classic IV wing mods ()
9. 06:54 AM - Re: Classic IV wing mods (Don Smythe)
10. 07:15 AM - Re: Locktite on spinner bolt. (Lowell Fitt)
11. 07:23 AM - Re: Model 5 STC (Noel Loveys)
12. 07:26 AM - Re: Locktite on spinner bolt. (Noel Loveys)
13. 08:20 AM - Re: Where could we have a FAQ? - We got it! (Randy Daughenbaugh)
14. 08:22 AM - Re: Where could we have a FAQ? (Guy Buchanan)
15. 09:30 AM - Re: Model 5 STC (JJProbasco@cs.com)
16. 10:38 AM - Pencils on Aluminum (GONER752@aol.com)
17. 10:51 AM - 912UL and Ivo props (Cudnohufsky's)
18. 12:33 PM - Re: CCI VG's on the Avid Flyer STOL (Larry Martin)
19. 12:34 PM - Need brake pads and caliper for early Kitfox Model II #399 (Joe & Jan Connell)
20. 01:48 PM - Re: Classic IV wing mods (kurt schrader)
21. 01:50 PM - Re: 912UL and Ivo props (Clint Bazzill)
22. 01:57 PM - Re: Locktite on spinner bolt. (Mdkitfox@aol.com)
23. 02:12 PM - Re: Model 5 STC (kurt schrader)
24. 02:18 PM - Re: Who's goin' to Sun 'n' Fun? (kurt schrader)
25. 02:26 PM - Re: Locktite on spinner bolt. (kurt schrader)
26. 02:59 PM - Re: Classic IV wing mods (Lowell Fitt)
27. 03:30 PM - Re: Classic IV wing mods (kurt schrader)
28. 03:31 PM - Re: Classic IV wing mods (Don Smythe)
29. 04:03 PM - Speeds question: Re: CCI VG's on the Avid Flyer STOL (Larry Martin)
30. 04:29 PM - Re: Classic IV wing mods ()
31. 04:34 PM - Re: Classic IV wing mods (Clint Bazzill)
32. 04:35 PM - Re: Need brake pads and caliper for early Kitfox Model II #399 ()
33. 04:47 PM - Re: Locktite on spinner bolt. (Noel Loveys)
34. 04:51 PM - Re: Classic IV wing mods (Don Smythe)
35. 04:56 PM - EDITted URL Re: Need brake pads and caliper for early Kitfox Model II #399 ()
36. 05:02 PM - Re: Classic IV wing mods (Don Smythe)
37. 05:10 PM - Re: Looking for a Kitfox (A Smith)
38. 05:51 PM - Re: Need brake pads and caliper for early Kitfox Model II #399 (Malcolmbru@aol.com)
39. 06:08 PM - Re: Who's goin' to Sun 'n' Fun? (Lynn Matteson)
40. 06:27 PM - Re: Classic IV wing mods (kurt schrader)
41. 06:52 PM - Re: Kitfox 5 Flight tests (kurt schrader)
42. 07:16 PM - Re: Classic IV wing mods (floran higgins)
43. 07:56 PM - Re: Re: CCI VG's on the Avid Flyer STOL (david yeamans)
44. 08:14 PM - Subaru for a Kitfox? (Grant Fluent)
45. 09:56 PM - NSI For Sale (A Smith)
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| Subject: | Re: Who's goin' to Sun 'n' Fun? |
Hi Gary-
That's my favorite overnight spot in a motorhome...any Walmart (that
allows it). Montana, eh? Long way from home. I stayed in the
campground at LAL in '05, my first S&F, but have since finished my
'fox, and will be taking it down there for the first time. I'll look
you up.
Lynn
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On Apr 14, 2007, at 10:41 PM, helicop wrote:
>
> I am on my way there. I am sitting in my camper in a WalMart
> parking lot tonight in Jax, but I will be there in the campground
> on Monday. If you come in the campground, I have a Montana Travel
> Trailer and a Ford F250 White Pickup, both with Montana license
> plates. Say hey if you are near and we will be glad to wet your
> whistle or feed you.
>
> Gary Goss
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| Subject: | Locktite on spinner bolt. |
You are right not to mark on aluminium with a pencil... you are also
right
that pencil lead is not lead but graphite, a form of carbon. Generally
if
I'm going to mark a piece of aluminium I'll use a pilot marker. I make
sure
it doesn't have carbon in the pigment. Using a scribe can work.
BTW Never sand aluminium with standard sand paper that will also cause
the
plate to corrode. Use only aluminium oxide paper. I won't go near the
different colours of scotch brite (that one has been flogged to death
many
times) but obviously checking which ones use an aluminium oxide are
preferred.
Noel
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GONER752@aol.com
Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2007 10:45 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Locktite on spinner bolt.
Rex,
Most "lead" pencils today are actually graphite. I am not personally
aware
of aluminum corrosion being caused by drawing on it with a pencil, but
then,
what I know is always subject to correction or education.:-)
Regards,
Greg G.
375KL
Mod 2
582
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| Subject: | Re: Locktite on spinner bolt. |
I personally know of two airliners which depressurized at altitude when big flaps
of fuselage skin opened. (Airliners flex the skin between frames and stringers
every time the cabin pressurizes.) Markings on the aluminum skins of each
to lay-out repair areas had been done with pencil in one and with a scribe on
the other. I also saw a float that had been sitting behind a hangar for years
and somebody had written on it. The letters had corroded into the skin. Pencils
and scribes should not be used on aluminum.
Michel, to center the spinner you might simply pull your spark plugs, put masking
tape on the end of the spinner, and put a marker on the end of a stick so it
touches the spinner. Spin the prop by hand and the marker will make a circle
on the tape. You can shift the spinner in the mounting bolts until the circle
is centered then toss the tape. A work-mate was flying a Piper Seneca that
threw a spinner about two years ago and you can't believe the damage it did when
it hit the fuselage. Even the rubber engine shock mounts had to be replaced
from the side loads in ripping off. Make sure it is secure when done!
Bob
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| Subject: | Where could we have a FAQ? |
The recent post about upping the gross weight is truly a frequently asked question,
as are a lot of the "new guy" questions. It'd sure be great if there were
a place we could have a FAQ. A down-side is that somebody has to be an editor
or arbitrator of sorts. Any offers to host such a thing?
I'd suggest NOT asking for it to be the factory FAQ, as it then means the factory
is potentially endorsing or checking out what we individuals put in. Besides,
John and Deb sound like they have enough going on! :)
Bob
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| Subject: | Re: Classic IV wing mods |
I can't speak about the performance, although I would expect that
results would be similar. I just wanted to remind you that there are two
braces on that end rib that will have to be duplicated for the "new"
last rib.
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---- Original Message -----
From: Don Smythe
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2007 7:10 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Classic IV wing mods
To All, I need your assistance.
This morning I asked about clipping my long wings back to the
Speedster configuration. Frank answered that he had actually done that
and reported nothing but good news. I started wondering if we might not
be talking apples and oranges. Frank had a 912 and I have a 582. Can I
expect the same good news as was Franks case with the 912?
I have agreed to sell my airplane to an individual that wants the
wings clipped primarily so he can keep it in his garage. I have also
agreed to perform the work since he is not familiar with any of the
processes.
Now, I want everybody to throw some opinions at me about doing
this with a 582 engine. I certainly don't want to kill a perfectly good
airplane by performing the speedster mod.
Does anyone fly a 582 with the speedster mod? Please contact me
off list with some information and specs.
Thanks and Desperate,
Don Smythe
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| Subject: | Re: Kitfox powder coat surface rusting?? |
George, Don't throw it out yet. Rust showing up on the powder coated 4130 parts
seemed to be fairly common when I purchased my kit in the early 90's. I had
some show up on mine too. The concensus then was to sand off the powder coat
at the rust spot and touch up with epoxy and touch up paint. When I sanded
on the rust spots to reveal the source under the powder coat it was very minimal.
The rust underneath was thin and on the surface of the 4130 only and confined
to a small area around where it showed on the surface of the powder coat.
The rust has not shown up again after I sanded and touched mine up.
Mind you I live in a desert climate and the rust was minimal...probably about 5
or 6 places on the fuselage and no more than an inch or so in any one location.
I guess I would start sanding on your rust spots and see what you find undernearth.
Then, depending on the severity and where on the airframe it is located,
evaluate how to fix it.
Tom Jones
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| Subject: | Re: Where could we have a FAQ? |
I think it up to the designer to make the design mods ok'd for the FAA.
I also think there is more than just a few "simple mods" to be done to
actually increase the strength and hence the gross weight.
It probably easier to build lighter in the first place.
And who finally give the weight increase approval ? the government ? So
they must be satisfied.
I don't think the factory could really offer anything more than suggestions
unless they have the engineers that will make documentation on how to change
weights. Best to Ask John McBean.
That being said, In Canada we can ask for weight increase for example
floats and your gross might increase 150 to 200 lbs or so and then when
floats come off you still have that increase gross weight unless it been
specified (with floats)
I think through the evolution of the Kitfox there were many changes as the
models changed to next model and it was not just heavier tube or a different
size tube but many other changes like AOI of the wings, etc. It could get
pretty complicated becoming a experimental engineer.
Dave
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bob" <dswaim1119@comcast.net>
Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2007 9:12 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Where could we have a FAQ?
>
> The recent post about upping the gross weight is truly a frequently asked
> question, as are a lot of the "new guy" questions. It'd sure be great if
> there were a place we could have a FAQ. A down-side is that somebody has
> to be an editor or arbitrator of sorts. Any offers to host such a thing?
>
> I'd suggest NOT asking for it to be the factory FAQ, as it then means the
> factory is potentially endorsing or checking out what we individuals put
> in. Besides, John and Deb sound like they have enough going on! :)
>
> Bob
> do not archive
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>
>
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> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=107031#107031
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>
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| Subject: | Re: Classic IV wing mods |
Don, i hope you got your starter working - i never did hear back on how
i went.
On your speedster mod, I would be more concerned about liability for
changing a design standard.
Also , I took a guy flying yestereday that is activley looking for a
Kitfox- your ad was one of the ones i sent to him as a potentail Kitfox
IV with 582.
Dave
----- Original Message -----
From: Don Smythe
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2007 6:10 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Classic IV wing mods
To All, I need your assistance.
This morning I asked about clipping my long wings back to the
Speedster configuration. Frank answered that he had actually done that
and reported nothing but good news. I started wondering if we might not
be talking apples and oranges. Frank had a 912 and I have a 582. Can I
expect the same good news as was Franks case with the 912?
I have agreed to sell my airplane to an individual that wants the
wings clipped primarily so he can keep it in his garage. I have also
agreed to perform the work since he is not familiar with any of the
processes.
Now, I want everybody to throw some opinions at me about doing
this with a 582 engine. I certainly don't want to kill a perfectly good
airplane by performing the speedster mod.
Does anyone fly a 582 with the speedster mod? Please contact me
off list with some information and specs.
Thanks and Desperate,
Don Smythe
----- Original Message -----
From: frank goggio
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2007 10:01 AM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Classic IV wing mods
don.I had a model 4-1200 that I did this to, I cut the outboard rib
bay off each side with a hacksaw,.could not tell any difference as to
take off performance, actually handled better to me,speed
increased,would roll much better,did not float as much on landing,then
again I took most of the washout in the tips out and most of the
dihedral out,would roll nearly as fast as a Pitts s2, this was with a 80
hp rotax with warp drive prop,i liked the plane,don't have it
now,driving a rv6a now but keep up with the list,
frank goggio Fayetteville nc
I have a person that is interested in clipping my long wing Classic
IV to make it a speed wing. Not for speed but to get it in his garage.
Has anyone ever done this to a finished Kitfox? I can walk the process
through in my mind and it doesn't look like it would be that difficult.
I can't remember for sure but I don't think the internal wing bracing
extends to the last rib so that would not be an issue.
Seems like, cut with a razor blade all around at the next rib,
hack the spar/trailing edge and reattach the wing tip with a little bit
of Poly Fiber finishing tape/paint. Job done in a day or two.
Don Smythe
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| Subject: | Re: Classic IV wing mods |
Thank you Dave. I woke up in the middle of the night and decided
"NOT" to cut those wings. The "X" braces and the liability were the
controlling factors. Sure hate to loose a cash customer.
However, cutting the wings is not changing the design standards. It
is an acceptable "Speedster" mod that's included in the original
building plans.
Don Smythe
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----- Original Message -----
From: davef@cfisher.com
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2007 9:45 AM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Classic IV wing mods
Don, i hope you got your starter working - i never did hear back on
how i went.
On your speedster mod, I would be more concerned about liability for
changing a design standard.
Also , I took a guy flying yestereday that is activley looking for a
Kitfox- your ad was one of the ones i sent to him as a potentail Kitfox
IV with 582.
Dave
----- Original Message -----
From: Don Smythe
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2007 6:10 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Classic IV wing mods
To All, I need your assistance.
This morning I asked about clipping my long wings back to the
Speedster configuration. Frank answered that he had actually done that
and reported nothing but good news. I started wondering if we might not
be talking apples and oranges. Frank had a 912 and I have a 582. Can I
expect the same good news as was Franks case with the 912?
I have agreed to sell my airplane to an individual that wants
the wings clipped primarily so he can keep it in his garage. I have
also agreed to perform the work since he is not familiar with any of the
processes.
Now, I want everybody to throw some opinions at me about doing
this with a 582 engine. I certainly don't want to kill a perfectly good
airplane by performing the speedster mod.
Does anyone fly a 582 with the speedster mod? Please contact me
off list with some information and specs.
Thanks and Desperate,
Don Smythe
----- Original Message -----
From: frank goggio
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2007 10:01 AM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Classic IV wing mods
don.I had a model 4-1200 that I did this to, I cut the outboard
rib bay off each side with a hacksaw,.could not tell any difference as
to take off performance, actually handled better to me,speed
increased,would roll much better,did not float as much on landing,then
again I took most of the washout in the tips out and most of the
dihedral out,would roll nearly as fast as a Pitts s2, this was with a 80
hp rotax with warp drive prop,i liked the plane,don't have it
now,driving a rv6a now but keep up with the list,
frank goggio Fayetteville nc
I have a person that is interested in clipping my long wing
Classic IV to make it a speed wing. Not for speed but to get it in his
garage. Has anyone ever done this to a finished Kitfox? I can walk
the process through in my mind and it doesn't look like it would be that
difficult. I can't remember for sure but I don't think the internal
wing bracing extends to the last rib so that would not be an issue.
Seems like, cut with a razor blade all around at the next rib,
hack the spar/trailing edge and reattach the wing tip with a little bit
of Poly Fiber finishing tape/paint. Job done in a day or two.
Don Smythe
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| Subject: | Re: Locktite on spinner bolt. |
Also in the instruction manual I received from SS in 1993 we were advised to
use a sharpie as pencil lead could be a corrosion initiator - this was in
laying out the wing rib position on the wing jig. Maybe those that had the
quick build wing option missed out on this bit of information.
Lowell
----- Original Message -----
From: "kirk hull" <kirkhull@kc.rr.com>
Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2007 7:11 PM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Locktite on spinner bolt.
> All I know about it is that in A&P school it was strictly forbidden to use
> a
> pencil on any aircraft aluminum but that was about 15 years ago. Also
> when
> doing inspections at the airline we would look to be sure that no one was
> using a pencil.
>
>
> _____
>
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
> GONER752@aol.com
> Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2007 8:15 PM
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Locktite on spinner bolt.
>
>
> Rex,
>
> Most "lead" pencils today are actually graphite. I am not personally aware
> of aluminum corrosion being caused by drawing on it with a pencil, but
> then,
> what I know is always subject to correction or education.:-)
>
> Regards,
>
> Greg G.
>
>
> 375KL
> Mod 2
> 582
>
>
> do not archive
>
>
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>
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> .
>
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The item of STCs depends on which part of the earth you happen to be. I
know a bit about Canada and precious little about the U.S. regs. In
Canada
and the U.S. STCs only apply to certified aircraft. No amateur built is
certified.
In Canada you may make major modifications to your plane but you may
have to
be inspected and/or do a test flight program and the normal 26 hr of
flying
within 26nm of the designated aerodrome(s).
Also in Canada if you have a BULA (Basic Ultra Light Aircraft) you are
open
to do pretty anything you want with the plane and fly it. ( Square
wheels
while not practical are legal ) If your plane is AULA ( Advanced Ultra
Light Aircraft ) then the plane meets a conformity standard and no
modifications are allowed. that leaves us with amateur built discussed
above.
Clear as Mud?.....thought so.
Noel
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Roger
McConnell
Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2007 10:58 PM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Model 5 STC
Not sure but I think STC's only applied to certified aircraft. Jon
McBean
maybe able to answer your question on increasing the gross weight, if
it's
even possible.
Roger Mac
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[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Randy
Tavishati
Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2007 1:04 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Model 5 STC
A question for you technical guys. Is there an STC that allows you to
increase the gross weight on a model 5 from the early 1,400 pound gross
to
1,550 which was in the later model?
Thanks,
Randy
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| Subject: | Locktite on spinner bolt. |
I just thought of another no-no that is using any form of diamond grit,
including some grinding pastes. Diamond is a crystalline form of
carbon.
Noel
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Randy
Daughenbaugh
Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2007 1:15 AM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Locktite on spinner bolt.
Hey, there must be a metallurgist out there. I always thought it was
that
the graphite scratched the oxide surface off of the aluminum and left a
spot
for corrosion. But why would that be worse than scratching the oxide
off
with a scotch brite pad? Cause water or salt can displace the graphite?
I
really don't know.
Or is it just an old wives tale?
Randy - looking for enlightenment.
.
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From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of kirk hull
Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2007 8:12 PM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Locktite on spinner bolt.
All I know about it is that in A&P school it was strictly forbidden to
use a
pencil on any aircraft aluminum but that was about 15 years ago. Also
when
doing inspections at the airline we would look to be sure that no one
was
using a pencil.
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From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
GONER752@aol.com
Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2007 8:15 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Locktite on spinner bolt.
Rex,
Most "lead" pencils today are actually graphite. I am not personally
aware
of aluminum corrosion being caused by drawing on it with a pencil, but
then,
what I know is always subject to correction or education.:-)
Regards,
Greg G.
375KL
Mod 2
582
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| Subject: | Where could we have a FAQ? - We got it! |
Bob,
We got it: http://wiki.matronics.com/wiki/index.php/Main_Page
Editor etc. is automatic.
Check it out. Add to it.
Randy
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-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bob
Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2007 7:12 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Where could we have a FAQ?
The recent post about upping the gross weight is truly a frequently asked
question, as are a lot of the "new guy" questions. It'd sure be great if
there were a place we could have a FAQ. A down-side is that somebody has to
be an editor or arbitrator of sorts. Any offers to host such a thing?
I'd suggest NOT asking for it to be the factory FAQ, as it then means the
factory is potentially endorsing or checking out what we individuals put in.
Besides, John and Deb sound like they have enough going on! :)
Bob
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Remember that internet advice may only be worth what you pay.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=107031#107031
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| Subject: | Re: Where could we have a FAQ? |
At 06:12 AM 4/15/2007, you wrote:
>The recent post about upping the gross weight is truly a frequently
>asked question, as are a lot of the "new guy" questions. It'd sure
>be great if there were a place we could have a FAQ. A down-side is
>that somebody has to be an editor or arbitrator of sorts. Any
>offers to host such a thing?
We DO! It's called the Matronics Wiki. (. . . as in Wikipedia.) And
the best thing about it is that YOU are the editor and arbitrator. Visit:
http://wiki.matronics.com/wiki/index.php/Main_Page
and start loading!
Guy Buchanan
San Diego, CA
K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 100% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar.
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My Model 5 kit (1/95) came with .058" wall wing spars. When I later inquired
of Sky Star what is needed for the 1550 gross, they told me only needed to
switch to the .065" spars and use a NASA grade bolt for the lower wing strut to
fuse connection. They indicated some of the earlier Vixen based Model 5s had
slightly lighter carry through tubes that would not be adequate; but, based on
my kit serial number my fuse was adequate. Of course, Unfortunately, I don't
have this in writing from Sky Star.
At the time SkyStar was having difficulty getting the .058 wall spars for the
Kitfox light, so they were more than happy to exchange my spars for the .065
wall ones.
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| Subject: | Pencils on Aluminum |
Referring to my previous post, I'll mark this one under both, correction and
education.: ) I had no idea the, the effects of carbon on alum. Thanks
guy's. That's what makes this list what it is, a wealth of experienced
information. Further reading of Michel's posts, it seems he has a fiberglass or
composite spinner, so a soldering iron would be the choice here to scribe a line
around it. 0.o Just kidding. Cheers everyone.
Greg G.
375KL
Mod 2
582
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| Subject: | 912UL and Ivo props |
All,
There has been alot of discussion about Kitfox's with 912ul (80hp) engines
and ivo ultralite props, wondering if there is a reason other than cost and
weight for using the ultralite model instead of the medium? Is there any
advantage / disadvantage to using the medium over the ultralite in the same
application under 100hp?
Open Can, (worms not included)
Lloyd
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| Subject: | Re: CCI VG's on the Avid Flyer STOL |
One thing, you stated you had a
ten mph increase in cruise with just the VGs on the HZ. What happened
when you installed them on the wings? How, if any, did it affect your
cruise airspeed?
Deke,
The cruise speed remained the same with the vg's on the wing. The
stall
speed was slower, and the angle of attach higher, as one would expect.
The
IAS is all that accurate at the slow speed, but it indicates a 5mph
decrease from
before the vgs installed.
larry
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| Subject: | Need brake pads and caliper for early Kitfox Model II #399 |
Hi Guys,
My 1998 Kitfox II needs a brake caliper and a set of brake pads.
Are the parts listed in the Leading Edge Air Foil (LEAF) catalog
direct replacements? If not, can you steer me to another parts
source?
Thanks...
Joe Connell
Kitfox-II #399
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| Subject: | Re: Classic IV wing mods |
Just a thought Don,
Can you still easily fold your wings and will it fit
for him then?
Kurt S.
--- Don Smythe <dosmythe@cox.net> wrote:
> Thank you Dave. I woke up in the middle of the
> night and decided "NOT" to cut those wings. The "X"
> braces and the liability were the controlling
> factors. Sure hate to loose a cash customer.
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| Subject: | 912UL and Ivo props |
I am using the Ultra light prop on my 912S. Had a 912 and used it there
also. Perfect prop for Kitfox. 1200 plus hours. Contact me off line.
Clint
From: "Cudnohufsky's" <7suds@Chartermi.net>
Subject: Kitfox-List: 912UL and Ivo props
All,
There has been alot of discussion about Kitfox's with 912ul (80hp) engines
and ivo ultralite props, wondering if there is a reason other than cost and
weight for using the ultralite model instead of the medium? Is there any
advantage / disadvantage to using the medium over the ultralite in the same
application under 100hp?
Open Can, (worms not included)
Lloyd
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| Subject: | Re: Locktite on spinner bolt. |
In a message dated 4/14/2007 11:48:20 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
rjdaugh@rapidnet.com writes:
Hey, there must be a metallurgist out there. I always thought it was that
the graphite scratched the oxide surface off of the aluminum and left a spo
t
for corrosion. But why would that be worse than scratching the oxide off
with a scotch brite pad? Cause water or salt can displace the graphite?
I
really don=99t know.
Or is it just an old wives tale?
Randy,
It's not a wives tale. I was only an aero engineer at Kennedy Space Center
,
not a metallurgist, but I saw a mechanic draw a line with a pencil on a
piece of aluminum used on the Saturn V. I brought this to his attention an
d he
laughed and gave me a rough time since I was just out of school and the new
kid on the block.
Long story short, for a $5 bet, we put 2 identical pieces of aluminum in 2
pull testers. One was scribed with a pencil line the other wasn't. During
the pull, the piece scribed with the pencil cracked right along the drawn l
ine
and the other piece did not break. Could it have been luck? I don't think
so, I had performed that same test in college and it did the same thing mor
e
than once.
The carbon in the lead or graphite sets up stress corrosion in the aluminum
and when you place the part under stress it doesn't take long for the crack
to occur. It will even follow gentle curves. The humidity in the air and
especially in a salty environment like the beach will cause this corrosion
to
accelerate quickly. Just leave a piece of painted chrome molly steel outsi
de
for a day and see how quickly corrosion attacks it.
Rick
Series V Speedster - N39RW, Serial Number 1
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When I went to the FAA to set up my inspection for my
S-5, the lead inspector asked what gross weight I was
going to put on it. I told him it was designed for
1550 and I wanted to increase to 1650 for the floats.
He said, "No, make it for a weight I will never
exceed, test it and insure it for that weight.
Protects your insurance and license."
Mine is now set at 1750, a weight I will never fly to
again unless someone is shooting at me. But I might
see 1600 or so on floats and be covered. So far
though I haven't even been to 1550 after testing.
I had to recalculate the max allowable G load for the
new weight and put it in the logbook. I think it came
to 3.5+ G's and I forget the minus G's. That was also
a loading I do not want to fly anywhere near when I am
heavy.
Kurt S. s-5/NSI turbo
--- Guy Buchanan <bnn@nethere.com> wrote:
> At 11:04 AM 4/14/2007, you wrote:
> >A question for you technical guys. Is there an STC
> that allows you
> >to increase the gross weight on a model 5 from the
> early 1,400 pound
> >gross to 1,550 which was in the later model?
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| Subject: | Re: Who's goin' to Sun 'n' Fun? |
I'll probably drive in on Wednesday only. Too busy
right now to stay longer. Bring my cell phone, if
anyone wants to get together.
(502)648-5484
Enjoy your trip Lynn! Ya' might need shorts, a hat
and sun lotion. Things hard to remember when it is
still cold out up there.
Kurt S. S-5
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| Subject: | Re: Locktite on spinner bolt. |
Hey Rick,
I live near the Space Coast now. Worried about
corrosion all the time.
You probably know about drawing on a jet engine
exhaust with pencil. Very shortly you can get a
crack, or even cut out a circle or design you drew. I
would think piston engine exhaust would do the same if
it was hot enough.
The carbon jet engine exhaust does not do it, only the
pencil mark.
Hide the pencils!
Kurt S.
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> Randy,
>
> It's not a wives tale. I was only an aero engineer
> at Kennedy Space Center,
> not a metallurgist, but I saw a mechanic draw a line
> with a pencil on a
> piece of aluminum used on the Saturn V. I brought
> this to his attention and he
> laughed and gave me a rough time since I was just
> out of school and the new
> kid on the block.
>
> Long story short, for a $5 bet, we put 2 identical
> pieces of aluminum in 2
> pull testers. One was scribed with a pencil line
> the other wasn't. During
> the pull, the piece scribed with the pencil cracked
> right along the drawn line
> and the other piece did not break. Could it have
> been luck? I don't think
> so, I had performed that same test in college and it
> did the same thing more
> than once.
>
> The carbon in the lead or graphite sets up stress
> corrosion in the aluminum
> and when you place the part under stress it doesn't
> take long for the crack
> to occur. It will even follow gentle curves. The
> humidity in the air and
> especially in a salty environment like the beach
> will cause this corrosion to
> accelerate quickly. Just leave a piece of painted
> chrome molly steel outside
> for a day and see how quickly corrosion attacks it.
>
> Rick
> Series V Speedster - N39RW, Serial Number 1
> DO NOT ARCHIVE
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| Subject: | Re: Classic IV wing mods |
Kurt,
When I started building I had a 20 ft deep garage that I expected to keep
the airplane in. Wings folded, the airplane is over 21 ft. I forget
exactly, but the Speedster length wings was a real temptation.
Lowell
----- Original Message -----
From: "kurt schrader" <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2007 1:47 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Classic IV wing mods
> <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
>
> Just a thought Don,
>
> Can you still easily fold your wings and will it fit
> for him then?
>
> Kurt S.
>
> --- Don Smythe <dosmythe@cox.net> wrote:
>
>> Thank you Dave. I woke up in the middle of the
>> night and decided "NOT" to cut those wings. The "X"
>> braces and the liability were the controlling
>> factors. Sure hate to loose a cash customer.
>
> __________________________________________________
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Classic IV wing mods |
--- Lowell Fitt <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> Kurt,
>
> When I started building I had a 20 ft deep garage
> that I expected to keep the airplane in. Wings
> folded, the airplane is over 21 ft. I forget
> exactly, but the Speedster length wings was a real
> temptation.
>
> Lowell
I had the same problem Lowell. Origionally planned to
garage it. I asked for the conversion kit with mine
and didn't get it. I was going to remove the tips and
put it in.
Later got the instructions and decided I didn't like
having 2 long screws holding on my wing extensions, so
I left them long and had to get a hangar. $$$ :-(
Kurt S.
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| Subject: | Re: Classic IV wing mods |
No, I think Lowell hit it on the head. The long wing is a tad long for his
or a standard garage. I remember old Michael Harter cut his to the
speedster mod for the same reason (to get it in the garage)
Don Smythe
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----- Original Message -----
From: "kurt schrader" <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2007 4:47 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Classic IV wing mods
> <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
>
> Just a thought Don,
>
> Can you still easily fold your wings and will it fit
> for him then?
>
> Kurt S.
>
> --- Don Smythe <dosmythe@cox.net> wrote:
>
>> Thank you Dave. I woke up in the middle of the
>> night and decided "NOT" to cut those wings. The "X"
>> braces and the liability were the controlling
>> factors. Sure hate to loose a cash customer.
>
> __________________________________________________
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Speeds question: Re: CCI VG's on the Avid Flyer STOL |
Dave,
One more thing is what kind of tach are you using ?
I'm using a "tiny tach"
One more test you should try is Wide open straight and level before and
after.
Because of the STOL undercamber wing, drag builds up past a certain
point which limits the speed. Though the top speed "may" be increased,
it's not useful to fly this particular airplane past about 85mph.
larry
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| Subject: | Re: Classic IV wing mods |
Hey Don, Correct me if I wrong but i think the Avid used an extension that
would make the shorter wing a STOL wing. But I do stand to be corrected as
I have been covering wings all day and been sniffing super seam all day
:)
Point is - would be neat to be able to fold wings and pull off a 2 foot
extention so you could still retain the great performance of the long wing.
Dave
----- Original Message -----
From: "Don Smythe" <dosmythe@cox.net>
Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2007 6:28 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Classic IV wing mods
>
> No, I think Lowell hit it on the head. The long wing is a tad long for
> his or a standard garage. I remember old Michael Harter cut his to the
> speedster mod for the same reason (to get it in the garage)
> Don Smythe
> Do Not Archive
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "kurt schrader" <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2007 4:47 PM
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Classic IV wing mods
>
>
>> <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
>>
>> Just a thought Don,
>>
>> Can you still easily fold your wings and will it fit
>> for him then?
>>
>> Kurt S.
>>
>> --- Don Smythe <dosmythe@cox.net> wrote:
>>
>>> Thank you Dave. I woke up in the middle of the
>>> night and decided "NOT" to cut those wings. The "X"
>>> braces and the liability were the controlling
>>> factors. Sure hate to loose a cash customer.
>>
>> __________________________________________________
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Classic IV wing mods |
I keep my aircraft in my garage all the time. Its too long so have to put
it in at an angle. Uses all of a 2 car garage. It would be easier to
modify the garage, then the aircraft. Clint
From: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Classic IV wing mods
Kurt,
When I started building I had a 20 ft deep garage that I expected to keep
the airplane in. Wings folded, the airplane is over 21 ft. I forget
exactly, but the Speedster length wings was a real temptation.
Lowell
----- Original Message ----- From: "kurt schrader"
<smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2007 1:47 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Classic IV wing mods
><smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
>
>Just a thought Don,
>
>Can you still easily fold your wings and will it fit
>for him then?
>
>Kurt S.
>
>--- Don Smythe <dosmythe@cox.net> wrote:
>
>> Thank you Dave. I woke up in the middle of the
>>night and decided "NOT" to cut those wings. The "X"
>>braces and the liability were the controlling
>>factors. Sure hate to loose a cash customer.
>
>__________________________________________________
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Need brake pads and caliper for early Kitfox Model II |
#399
call Matcofg.com
Ask for George, he knows his Kitfox and Avids.
I have one mine right now ( laugh all you like ) Car disk pads on one
side that came outta m scrap heap at back of shop . See my wife said it
was useless junk :)
I drilled out the rivets on the car pad - used one at that as a new one
might be too thick.
And lined up the holes on the Matco pad -drilled counter- sunk and re
rivted.-- still on and working through mud and snow :)
Dave
----- Original Message -----
From: Joe & Jan Connell
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2007 3:28 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Need brake pads and caliper for early Kitfox
Model II #399
Hi Guys,
My 1998 Kitfox II needs a brake caliper and a set of brake pads.
Are the parts listed in the Leading Edge Air Foil (LEAF) catalog
direct replacements? If not, can you steer me to another parts
source?
Thanks...
Joe Connell
Kitfox-II #399
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| Subject: | Locktite on spinner bolt. |
Funny thing if you handle a stainless exhaust bare handed the prints will
blue forever when the exhaust heats up.
Noel
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
> kurt schrader
> Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2007 6:56 PM
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Locktite on spinner bolt.
>
>
> <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
>
> Hey Rick,
>
> I live near the Space Coast now. Worried about
> corrosion all the time.
>
> You probably know about drawing on a jet engine
> exhaust with pencil. Very shortly you can get a
> crack, or even cut out a circle or design you drew. I
> would think piston engine exhaust would do the same if
> it was hot enough.
>
> The carbon jet engine exhaust does not do it, only the
> pencil mark.
>
> Hide the pencils!
>
> Kurt S.
>
> Do not archive
>
> > Randy,
> >
> > It's not a wives tale. I was only an aero engineer
> > at Kennedy Space Center,
> > not a metallurgist, but I saw a mechanic draw a line
> > with a pencil on a
> > piece of aluminum used on the Saturn V. I brought
> > this to his attention and he
> > laughed and gave me a rough time since I was just
> > out of school and the new
> > kid on the block.
> >
> > Long story short, for a $5 bet, we put 2 identical
> > pieces of aluminum in 2
> > pull testers. One was scribed with a pencil line
> > the other wasn't. During
> > the pull, the piece scribed with the pencil cracked
> > right along the drawn line
> > and the other piece did not break. Could it have
> > been luck? I don't think
> > so, I had performed that same test in college and it
> > did the same thing more
> > than once.
> >
> > The carbon in the lead or graphite sets up stress
> > corrosion in the aluminum
> > and when you place the part under stress it doesn't
> > take long for the crack
> > to occur. It will even follow gentle curves. The
> > humidity in the air and
> > especially in a salty environment like the beach
> > will cause this corrosion to
> > accelerate quickly. Just leave a piece of painted
> > chrome molly steel outside
> > for a day and see how quickly corrosion attacks it.
> >
> > Rick
> > Series V Speedster - N39RW, Serial Number 1
> > DO NOT ARCHIVE
>
> __________________________________________________
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Classic IV wing mods |
Clint,
My thoughts exactly. I told the guy he could cut two small holes into
the living room wall where the wing tips would just stick through. He could
use them as coffee tables and if he has a party with dancing he could simply
go into the garage and flip on the strobes. The best of two worlds.
Don Smythe
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Clint Bazzill" <clint_bazzill@hotmail.com>
Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2007 7:32 PM
it in at an angle. Uses all of a 2 car garage. It would be easier to
modify the garage, then the aircraft. Clint
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| Subject: | Re: Need brake pads and caliper for early |
Kitfox Model II #399
EDIT http://www.matcomfg.com/
sorry bout that
----- Original Message -----
From: davef@cfisher.com
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2007 7:33 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Need brake pads and caliper for early Kitfox
Model II #399
call Matcofg.com
Ask for George, he knows his Kitfox and Avids.
I have one mine right now ( laugh all you like ) Car disk pads on one
side that came outta m scrap heap at back of shop . See my wife said it
was useless junk :)
I drilled out the rivets on the car pad - used one at that as a new
one might be too thick.
And lined up the holes on the Matco pad -drilled counter- sunk and re
rivted.-- still on and working through mud and snow :)
Dave
----- Original Message -----
From: Joe & Jan Connell
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2007 3:28 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Need brake pads and caliper for early Kitfox
Model II #399
Hi Guys,
My 1998 Kitfox II needs a brake caliper and a set of brake pads.
Are the parts listed in the Leading Edge Air Foil (LEAF) catalog
direct replacements? If not, can you steer me to another parts
source?
Thanks...
Joe Connell
Kitfox-II #399
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List">http://www.matron
href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
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| Subject: | Re: Classic IV wing mods |
I'm about 90% sure that the Kitfox (back then) offered the same extension
mods that you mention. However, putting in that mod would still require
cutting off the last bay and with the "X" braces needing relocation that
makes it just as hard. There were other good arguments to NOT cut the wings
at this time. I told the guy tonight that the wing cutting was not an
option.
Don Smythe
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----- Original Message -----
From: <davef@cfisher.com>
Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2007 7:28 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Classic IV wing mods
>
> Hey Don, Correct me if I wrong but i think the Avid used an extension that
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| Subject: | Re: Looking for a Kitfox |
I have a 5TD. Contact me off list.
kitfox@ida.net
Albert
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| Subject: | Re: Need brake pads and caliper for early Kitfox Model II |
#399
My pads are a little worn also but my calapers are a little diferent very
plane no marks at all simple looking but they fit perfectly with no
modifecations can any body help? NOT MATKO mal
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| Subject: | Re: Who's goin' to Sun 'n' Fun? |
I'da forgot the lotion, Kurt...thanks. More than the weather, it's
all the other things to remember...charts, batteries for the gadgets,
a towel, W & B sheets....
Lynn
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On Apr 15, 2007, at 5:18 PM, kurt schrader wrote:
> <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
>
> I'll probably drive in on Wednesday only. Too busy
> right now to stay longer. Bring my cell phone, if
> anyone wants to get together.
>
> (502)648-5484
>
> Enjoy your trip Lynn! Ya' might need shorts, a hat
> and sun lotion. Things hard to remember when it is
> still cold out up there.
>
> Kurt S. S-5
>
> Do not archive
>
> __________________________________________________
>
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| Subject: | Re: Classic IV wing mods |
Just a thought as I said Don. If it was close, he
could just unscrew the wing tips and take them off.
But I had the same problem - 6" clearance on the
fuselage, but no room for folded wings. Needed about
30 more inches.
Kurt S.
--- Don Smythe <dosmythe@cox.net> wrote:
> No, I think Lowell hit it on the head. The long
> wing is a tad long for his
> or a standard garage. I remember old Michael Harter
> cut his to the
> speedster mod for the same reason (to get it in the
> garage)
> Don Smythe
> Do Not Archive
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| Subject: | Re: Kitfox 5 Flight tests |
Mark,
Did you do your GPS speed check yet? Interesting to
see how that worked out.
That 1000# wt and cool air really help performance.
2 years ago I flew up to West Bend and back. Same
problem - oil temp stayed around 140-160 in the cool
air. Bought the oil thermostat since, but haven't
installed it yet. Warmer in Fl.
Will probably do a shutter system on my coolant
radiator like Dave mentioned.
Kurt S. S-5
--- davef@cfisher.com wrote:
> Mark,
> A friend of mine on this list have a piece of
> plastic like lexan over his oil cooler with hole s
> drilled in it.
>
> He says it works great . He has same on his
> radiator.
>
> If Jim reads this he might tell you more about the
> hole sizing and spacing.
> Dave
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: RRTRACK@aol.com
> All tests were done at 2500 MSL, 40 degrees OAT,
> and around 1000# take off weight. Today the winds
> are forecast at 5 mph so I should be able to find
> the correct air speeds using my GPS.
> My new IVO IFA did not arrive so I will have to
> wait to test it. I may try changing the pitch on the
> 68" GSC and see what it is capable of. Also will be
> adding a oil thermostat when I change the oil and
> filter this weekend. In outside temperatures under
> 60 degrees the oil temps never gets over 180
> degrees. Takes a long time to warm up the oil to 120
> degrees for take off as well. Oil pressure around
> 58# at cruise.
> Mark
> Wisconsin
> Kitfox 5 Vixen 912 UL ( VG's are next after the
> new IVO IFA Prop )
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| Subject: | Re: Classic IV wing mods |
I installed the wing extentions on my son's Avid.
Once they are installed they are permanent and cannot be removed.
Floran H.
----- Original Message -----
From: <davef@cfisher.com>
Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2007 5:28 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Classic IV wing mods
>
> Hey Don, Correct me if I wrong but i think the Avid used an extension that
> would make the shorter wing a STOL wing. But I do stand to be corrected
> as I have been covering wings all day and been sniffing super seam all
> day :)
>
> Point is - would be neat to be able to fold wings and pull off a 2 foot
> extention so you could still retain the great performance of the long
> wing.
>
>
> Dave
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Don Smythe" <dosmythe@cox.net>
> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2007 6:28 PM
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Classic IV wing mods
>
>
>>
>> No, I think Lowell hit it on the head. The long wing is a tad long for
>> his or a standard garage. I remember old Michael Harter cut his to the
>> speedster mod for the same reason (to get it in the garage)
>> Don Smythe
>> Do Not Archive
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "kurt schrader" <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
>> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
>> Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2007 4:47 PM
>> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Classic IV wing mods
>>
>>
>>> <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
>>>
>>> Just a thought Don,
>>>
>>> Can you still easily fold your wings and will it fit
>>> for him then?
>>>
>>> Kurt S.
>>>
>>> --- Don Smythe <dosmythe@cox.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Thank you Dave. I woke up in the middle of the
>>>> night and decided "NOT" to cut those wings. The "X"
>>>> braces and the liability were the controlling
>>>> factors. Sure hate to loose a cash customer.
>>>
>>> __________________________________________________
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
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| Subject: | Re: CCI VG's on the Avid Flyer STOL |
Larry,
Getting the best performance from our Kitfox is always a
challenge,
but for the most of all our efforts its hard to surpass whats already
been
designed in the airplane. Its been tried and tested to give the best
it can
be. There are add on's and upgrades that can help, but some things can
not be improved on. The Rotax 582 Engine was designed for the best
performance, longevity, and longer life to cruise at 5800 RPMs and any-
thing below that was detrimental to the engine, and shortened there
lifespan.
David , Kitfox
4-1200 Rotax 912 UL.
Previous 582, Good engine
243 hours and never failed
sold it, got a good price. and
upgraded to a 912
----- Original Message -----
From: Larry Martin
To: fox5flyer@idealwifi.net
Sent: Friday, April 13, 2007 12:10 PM
Subject: [Norton AntiSpam] Kitfox-List: Re: CCI VG's on the Avid Flyer
STOL
Deke,
The cruise speed remained +10 with the vgs on the wing. I usually
cruise (stol wing - no where to go) at 5400 rpm (582/3:1 box) and I
always had a comfortable 74 ias. Now, I can hold 74 with only 4900-5000
rpm. Setting 5400 puts it at 85 ias, but with the stol wing, the drag
is already starting to build at this speed. The gain in speed comes
from the tail now doing its job, and allowing the wing to do its.
Larry
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| Subject: | Subaru for a Kitfox? |
Hello All,
One of my relatives has a 1989 Subaru GL sedan with
the 1.8L fuel injected motor. They want to get rid of
the car and I was wondering if anyone could use the
motor? Is this the correct year and displacement to
use for a Kitfox or other aircraft? The engine
currently will run but gets hot after a short time.
Thanks,
Grant Fluent
Newcastle, NE
Classic IV 912ULS
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I have an NSI with CAP for sale. Firewall forward. $22,000 invested,
will cut loose for $10,000 OBO plus all that has been learned. Aprox. 4
hrs on engine., has been flown. Contact off list
kitfox@ida.net
Albert
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