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1. 01:35 AM - Re: Kitfox 5 Flight tests (avtar412)
2. 06:59 AM - Re: Kitfox 5 Flight tests (Lynn Matteson)
3. 07:13 AM - back from attempted Florida trip (Lynn Matteson)
4. 09:18 AM - Kitfox for sale Don' s ? Re: Classic IV wing mods ()
5. 12:50 PM - Re: Kitfox for sale Don' s ? Re: Classic IV wing mods (Don Smythe)
6. 12:55 PM - Re: cabin doors (charles cook)
7. 07:36 PM - Re: Kitfox for sale Don' s ? Re: Classic IV wing mods (kurt schrader)
8. 07:43 PM - Re: Re: cabin doors (Noel Loveys)
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| Subject: | Re: Kitfox 5 Flight tests |
Yes, static ports both sides on the rear fuse is a good extra. I have and can kick
the plane from side to side with no ASI fluctuation what so ever right to
the stall.
Read this topic online here:
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| Subject: | Re: Kitfox 5 Flight tests |
I put an inspection cover under the fuse in the area of the elevator
support bearing when I built my plane, and later after if was
covered, needed to support the tubes coming from my twin static
ports, in order to please my tech inspector. I found that by using
one arm up through this hole, I was able to actually connect the
"tee" fitting to the tubes, and tighten the fittings with two
wrenches...with one hand/arm through this hole. So installing a
second static port CAN be done, but it'll take some cussin' and
sweatin'. I even thought of getting my small granddaughter to crawl
into the fuse on some special sized plywood pieces to do the work.
Lynn
On Apr 17, 2007, at 1:11 PM, RRTRACK@aol.com wrote:
> Noel
> That is something I would like to do after my test flights. I
> wish Kitfox would have made this part of the building instructions.
> It will be l lot harder now to install the second static port.
> Mark
> Wisconsin
> Kitfox 5 912 UL
>
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| Subject: | back from attempted Florida trip |
I'll do a write-up of my shortened Sun 'n' Fun trip when I get the
time, but suffice it to say that my buddy and I, he flying a 150
Cessna, decided to abort the trip after encountering severe
turbulence just into Tennessee, and putting them down at Scotts
County Airport (SCX, I believe) in 30 knot direct/gusty/turbulent
crosswind. Wasn't pretty, but the damage was VERY minimal, and was
confined to one of my wheelpants. Hate to be a teaser, but I've got a
few things to do....and NO, laundry isn't one of them. : )
Lynn
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| Subject: | Re: Classic IV wing mods |
Don,
What is the status of your Kitfox ?
I have 2 guys here looking for a IV with a 582.
Is yours still for sale ?
Dave
----- Original Message -----
From: "Don Smythe" <dosmythe@cox.net>
Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2007 7:54 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Classic IV wing mods
>
> I'm about 90% sure that the Kitfox (back then) offered the same extension
> mods that you mention. However, putting in that mod would still require
> cutting off the last bay and with the "X" braces needing relocation that
> makes it just as hard. There were other good arguments to NOT cut the
> wings at this time. I told the guy tonight that the wing cutting was not
> an option.
>
> Don Smythe
> Do Not Archive
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <davef@cfisher.com>
> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2007 7:28 PM
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Classic IV wing mods
>
>
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>> Hey Don, Correct me if I wrong but i think the Avid used an extension
>> that
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| Subject: | Re: Classic IV wing mods |
Right now it is still for sale. A perspective buyer is having problems with
where to keep the plane if he buys. He's looking into some more options
but, It is still for sale. As you may remember, I have a cracked oil
injection tank. We did a flight test (staying in the pattern) with the
crack. I needed a tank fast so picked up one locally that looked fine. I
just came back from the airport installing the new tank. Upon closer
examination, I wouldn't put that in my lawn mower. I've called John McBean
for a new one.
Don Smythe
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----- Original Message -----
From: <davef@cfisher.com>
Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 12:17 PM
Subject: Kitfox for sale Don' s ? Re: Kitfox-List: Classic IV wing mods
>
> Don,
>
> What is the status of your Kitfox ?
> I have 2 guys here looking for a IV with a 582.
> Is yours still for sale ?
>
> Dave
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Don Smythe" <dosmythe@cox.net>
> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2007 7:54 PM
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Classic IV wing mods
>
>
>>
>> I'm about 90% sure that the Kitfox (back then) offered the same extension
>> mods that you mention. However, putting in that mod would still require
>> cutting off the last bay and with the "X" braces needing relocation that
>> makes it just as hard. There were other good arguments to NOT cut the
>> wings at this time. I told the guy tonight that the wing cutting was
>> not an option.
>>
>> Don Smythe
>> Do Not Archive
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: <davef@cfisher.com>
>> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
>> Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2007 7:28 PM
>> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Classic IV wing mods
>>
>>
>>>
>>> Hey Don, Correct me if I wrong but i think the Avid used an extension
>>> that
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Thanks to all that responded on where and what model of lift strut to purchase.
My model II builders manual has no information on location and how to attach
struts. With out seeing an example, what seems to be a easy installation has
me second guessing. Any suggestions, pictures, drawings before I start boring
holes would be appreciated.
Charles Cook KF363
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Today's Message Index:
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1. 12:29 AM - cabin door struts (charles cook)
2. 05:19 AM - Re: cabin door struts (Noel Loveys)
3. 06:11 AM - Re: CCI VG's on the Avid Flyer STOL (Clem Nichols)
4. 06:56 AM - Re: bing 64 carb (kitfoxmike)
5. 07:21 AM - Re: CCI VG's on the Avid Flyer STOL (Larry Martin)
6. 07:48 AM - Re: cabin door struts (Guy Buchanan)
7. 07:56 AM - Re: Re: CCI VG's on the Avid Flyer STOL (Guy Buchanan)
8. 08:01 AM - Re: cabin door struts (Lowell Fitt)
9. 08:29 AM - Re: Carb slide position at full throttle on a two stroke Rotax (Tom
Jones)
10. 08:31 AM - Re: CCI VG's on the Avid Flyer STOL (kurt schrader)
11. 08:32 AM - Re: cabin door struts (jdmcbean)
12. 08:46 AM - Re: cabin door struts (flier)
13. 08:51 AM - Re: Re: Carb slide position at full throttle on a two stroke Rotax
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14. 08:53 AM - attn John McBean Wing tips ()
15. 09:21 AM - Re: cabin door struts (Marco Menezes)
16. 09:52 AM - Re: Fuel tanks (Bob)
17. 10:15 AM - Re: CCI VG's on the Avid Flyer STOL (Clem Nichols)
18. 10:18 AM - Re: attn John McBean Wing tips (jdmcbean)
19. 11:59 AM - Re: Re: bing 64 carb (mic thiessen)
20. 12:03 PM - Re: Carb slide position at full throttle on a two stroke Rotax (Tom
Jones)
21. 12:07 PM - Locktite on spinner bolt. (Tom Jones)
22. 02:23 PM - Re: bing 64 carb (kitfoxmike)
23. 02:38 PM - Re: 912 UL with IVO props (crazyivan)
24. 03:50 PM - Re: CCI VG's on the Avid Flyer STOL (Larry Martin)
25. 04:44 PM - Kitfox powder coat surface rusting?? (George Michaels)
26. 04:54 PM - Re: Locktite on spinner bolt. (neflyer48)
27. 05:00 PM - Re: Re: Carb slide position at full throttle on a two stroke Rotax
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28. 05:17 PM - Kitfox List Admin Retirement (fox5flyer)
29. 05:25 PM - Re: Locktite on spinner bolt. (Tom Jones)
30. 05:50 PM - New List administrators coming on board (Don Pearsall)
31. 05:53 PM - Re: Kitfox List Admin Retirement (Herbert R Gottelt)
32. 06:10 PM - Re: Kitfox List Admin Retirement (Larry Huntley)
33. 06:23 PM - Re: Re: Locktite on spinner bolt. (Randy Daughenbaugh)
34. 06:23 PM - Re: Kitfox List Admin Retirement (Randy Daughenbaugh)
35. 07:09 PM - Re: cabin door struts (Glenn Horne)
36. 08:23 PM - Re: New List administrators coming on board (Roger McConnell)
37. 09:52 PM - Re: Kitfox List Admin Retirement (Mdkitfox@aol.com)
38. 10:02 PM - Re: Kitfox List Admin Retirement (Mdkitfox@aol.com)
________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________
Time: 12:29:00 AM PST US
From: charles cook
Subject: Kitfox-List: cabin door struts
Does anybody have a picture or drawing on where and how to attach the lift struts
to the door frame and cabin door. Where did you buy the gas struts?
Charles Cook
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________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________
Time: 05:19:50 AM PST US
From: "Noel Loveys"
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: cabin door struts
I got one that I was able to fit to the plane from a salvage yard. I
have
two others here that art too long.
Noel
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of charles
cook
Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2007 4:57 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: cabin door struts
Does anybody have a picture or drawing on where and how to attach the
lift
struts to the door frame and cabin door. Where did you buy the gas
struts?
Charles Cook
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Time: 06:11:28 AM PST US
From: "Clem Nichols"
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: CCI VG's on the Avid Flyer STOL
Top or bottom side?
Clem Nichols
Do Not Archive
----- Original Message -----
From: "Guy Buchanan"
Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 9:41 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: CCI VG's on the Avid Flyer STOL
>
> At 03:45 PM 4/11/2007, you wrote:
>>Art was first concerned about getting more lift from the tail, and
>>we placed the VGs per his instructions on the flat surfaced (non
>>airfoil) horizontal stab.
>
> Larry,
> Thank you for the great report. Where did you place the VG's
> on the stab?
>
> Thanks,
>
>
> Guy Buchanan
> San Diego, CA
> K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 100% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar.
>
>
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>
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________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________
Time: 06:56:01 AM PST US
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: bing 64 carb
From: "kitfoxmike"
Guy,
I'm no expert on the bing. But I do know many of the parts are the same between.
So I'm going to assume that the 64 operates the same. High or low floats
will effect the fuel entering the main jets for the fuel transfer is straight
up and out.
As far as being a nut, I except your explaination. I am a person full of energy
and sitting idle is not my game. I always have to be doing something.
--------
kitfoxmike
model IV, 1200
speedster
912ul
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________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________
Time: 07:21:11 AM PST US
From: "Larry Martin"
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: CCI VG's on the Avid Flyer STOL
Guy,
I don't want to be uncooperative, and my only stake in this is a set
of free VGs for doing the experimenting. Please understand that Art
(CCI) is a business and desires to keep spacing propitiatory. His
instructions has all the information needed.
I'm happy to report that it works very well and is money well spent;
especially in the tail improvements!
Larry
At 03:45 PM 4/11/2007, you wrote:
>Art was first concerned about getting more lift from the tail, and
>we placed the VGs per his instructions on the flat surfaced (non
>airfoil) horizontal stab.
Larry,
Thank you for the great report. Where did you place the VG's
on the stab?
Thanks,
Guy Buchanan
________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________
Time: 07:48:41 AM PST US
From: Guy Buchanan
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: cabin door struts
At 12:26 AM 4/12/2007, you wrote:
>Does anybody have a picture or drawing on where and how to attach
>the lift struts to the door frame and cabin door. Where did you buy
>the gas struts?
What vehicle are you working on?
Guy Buchanan
San Diego, CA
K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 100% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar.
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________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________
Time: 07:56:39 AM PST US
From: Guy Buchanan
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: CCI VG's on the Avid Flyer STOL
At 07:19 AM 4/12/2007, you wrote:
>I don't want to be uncooperative, and my only stake in this is a set
>of free VGs for doing the experimenting.
Larry, you might want to clarify this with the list. It wasn't clear
from your previous post that you were compensated for your efforts.
>Please understand that Art (CCI) is a business and desires to keep
>spacing propitiatory. His instructions has all the information needed.
I understand. I was really asking whether they were on the bottom or
top. And anyway, VG spacing can never be proprietary, unless you plan
to only fly at night out of Area 51! ;-) Anyone who sees your
aircraft at a fly-in will be able to replicate your placing. The
reason I would pay Art for his VG's are for his parts and service.
> I'm happy to report that it works very well and is money well
> spent; especially in the tail improvements!
I'm glad. Unfortunately my interest will have to wait further
information on the wing, as I do not see the difficulties you had
with your stab.
Guy Buchanan
San Diego, CA
K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 100% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar.
________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________
Time: 08:01:19 AM PST US
From: "Lowell Fitt"
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: cabin door struts
Charles,
What you are looking for is the Suspa gas spring C-16-10788/ It has a 12.2"
extended length and an 8.3" compressed length and a 35# force. It can be
ordered from:
http://www.jlkrakercompany.com/suspa_cylinder_pricing.htm
I am sure there are other manufacturers and suppliers, but this is one
source for the original supplied Skystar and Denney gas springs.
Lowell
----- Original Message -----
From: "charles cook"
Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2007 12:26 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: cabin door struts
> Does anybody have a picture or drawing on where and how to attach the lift
> struts to the door frame and cabin door. Where did you buy the gas struts?
> Charles Cook
>
>
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________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________
Time: 08:29:59 AM PST US
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Carb slide position at full throttle on a two stroke
Rotax
From: "Tom Jones"
> The instructions I have say adjust it so that the slide valve is completly at
the top of the venturi. The drawing along with the instructions shows the air
cleaner side completly at the top of the venturi but the tang hanging down a
couple milimeters into the venturi. How are some of you running?
Here's some more on this. My bing 54 carb throttles were adjusted so that the
hanging down part of the slide was even with the top of the venturi which put
the air cleaner side of the slide a few milimeters above the top of the venturi.
There was a little free play left in the throttle cable when the stop was
contacted at full throttle so no strain on the throttle cable ends.
I have the Arctic Sparrow adjustable needles and they would not turn at full throttle...not
that they need to be adjusted at full throttle...but this was telling
me there was some kind of strain going on with the sparrow needle cables
with this setting.
I called CPS yesterday to get their expert opinion as something seemed to not be
right. His answer couldn't have been more vague. I still didn't know the answer
after talking with them.
I then adjusted the throttle cable so that the air cleaner side of the slide was
even with the top of the venturi and the manifold side is hanging down into
it a few milimeters. I get the same static RPMs (6200) as before and the sparrow
needle cables will turn at all throttle settings. The Rotax manuals seem
to lose something...okay, a lot...in the translation.
Tom Jones
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________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________
Time: 08:31:49 AM PST US
From: kurt schrader
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: CCI VG's on the Avid Flyer STOL
Hey Clem,
Your computer date is off again. ha ha You are way
back in May of '03.
Hope the Spring storms haven't been too bad for you,
Kurt
--- Clem Nichols wrote:
> Top or bottom side?
>
> Clem Nichols
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________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________
Time: 08:32:20 AM PST US
From: "jdmcbean"
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: cabin door struts
We also have the gas struts available...
Fly Safe !!
John & Debra McBean
208.337.5111
www.kitfoxaircraft.com
"It's not how Fast... It's how Fun!"
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Lowell Fitt
Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2007 9:01 AM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: cabin door struts
Charles,
What you are looking for is the Suspa gas spring C-16-10788/ It has a 12.2"
extended length and an 8.3" compressed length and a 35# force. It can be
ordered from:
http://www.jlkrakercompany.com/suspa_cylinder_pricing.htm
I am sure there are other manufacturers and suppliers, but this is one
source for the original supplied Skystar and Denney gas springs.
Lowell
----- Original Message -----
From: "charles cook"
Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2007 12:26 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: cabin door struts
> Does anybody have a picture or drawing on where and how to attach the lift
> struts to the door frame and cabin door. Where did you buy the gas struts?
> Charles Cook
>
>
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________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________
Time: 08:46:38 AM PST US
From: "flier"
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: cabin door struts
Kencon Hardware in Bristol, IN at 574-848-5252 also
carries the Suspa C16-10788 struts at a good price.
--- Original Message ---
From: "Lowell Fitt"
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: cabin door struts
>
>Charles,
>
>What you are looking for is the Suspa gas spring C-
16-10788/ It has a 12.2"
>extended length and an 8.3" compressed length and a
35# force. It can be
>ordered from:
>
>http://www.jlkrakercompany.com/suspa_cylinder_pricing
.htm
>
>I am sure there are other manufacturers and
suppliers, but this is one
>source for the original supplied Skystar and Denney
gas springs.
>
>Lowell
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "charles cook"
>To:
>Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2007 12:26 AM
>Subject: Kitfox-List: cabin door struts
>
>
>> Does anybody have a picture or drawing on where
and how to attach the lift
>> struts to the door frame and cabin door. Where did
you buy the gas struts?
>> Charles Cook
>>
>>
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________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________
Time: 08:51:47 AM PST US
From:
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Carb slide position at full throttle on a two stroke
Rotax
Tom,
The artic sparrow needles are silver soldered onto the thread. Is it
possible that they are hitting the top?
If you slides are opening all the way and both carbs are synced You are
likely ok.
The higher your slides go the higher your needles go and come out of the
main jet.
Are you EGTs reading ok in cruise ? And do the spark plugs indicate a good
fuel burn ? Do you have a fuel flow meter? If so what is your readings
are different rpms ?
Your prop might be set properly here and you would not get more rpm with
even bigger jetting as the next obstacle is your exhaust which is timing
your exhaust pulse and allowing for only so much scavenging right now. Hey
you can get 100 HP out of a 582 but it will be in a narrow power band and
you will use alot more fuel and have less reliability.
Dave
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tom Jones"
Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2007 11:29 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Carb slide position at full throttle on a two
stroke Rotax
>
>
>> The instructions I have say adjust it so that the slide valve is
>> completly at the top of the venturi. The drawing along with the
>> instructions shows the air cleaner side completly at the top of the
>> venturi but the tang hanging down a couple milimeters into the venturi.
>> How are some of you running?
>
>
> Here's some more on this. My bing 54 carb throttles were adjusted so that
> the hanging down part of the slide was even with the top of the venturi
> which put the air cleaner side of the slide a few milimeters above the top
> of the venturi. There was a little free play left in the throttle cable
> when the stop was contacted at full throttle so no strain on the throttle
> cable ends.
>
> I have the Arctic Sparrow adjustable needles and they would not turn at
> full throttle...not that they need to be adjusted at full throttle...but
> this was telling me there was some kind of strain going on with the
> sparrow needle cables with this setting.
>
> I called CPS yesterday to get their expert opinion as something seemed to
> not be right. His answer couldn't have been more vague. I still didn't
> know the answer after talking with them.
>
> I then adjusted the throttle cable so that the air cleaner side of the
> slide was even with the top of the venturi and the manifold side is
> hanging down into it a few milimeters. I get the same static RPMs (6200)
> as before and the sparrow needle cables will turn at all throttle
> settings. The Rotax manuals seem to lose something...okay, a lot...in the
> translation.
> Tom Jones
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=106505#106505
>
>
>
________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________
Time: 08:53:39 AM PST US
From:
Subject: Kitfox-List: attn John McBean Wing tips
John ,
What will I gain or lose on my KF IV by changing from droop tips to your
newer style hoerner style tip ?
Dave
----- Original Message -----
From: "jdmcbean"
Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2007 11:32 AM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: cabin door struts
>
> We also have the gas struts available...
>
> Fly Safe !!
> John & Debra McBean
> 208.337.5111
> www.kitfoxaircraft.com
> "It's not how Fast... It's how Fun!"
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Lowell Fitt
> Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2007 9:01 AM
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: cabin door struts
>
>
> Charles,
>
> What you are looking for is the Suspa gas spring C-16-10788/ It has a
> 12.2"
> extended length and an 8.3" compressed length and a 35# force. It can be
> ordered from:
>
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Hi Don,
I think, if you need a temporary fix on the tank until
you get one from John, you can clean it, wrap it in
fiberglass and then (have someone else) use J.B. Weld
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I put one on the pilot side without drilling any holes.... I'll send a
couple of pictures tomorrow.
Noel
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cook
Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 5:22 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: cabin doors
Thanks to all that responded on where and what model of lift strut to
purchase. My model II builders manual has no information on location
and
how to attach struts. With out seeing an example, what seems to be a
easy
installation has me second guessing. Any suggestions, pictures, drawings
before I start boring holes would be appreciated.
Charles Cook KF363
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1. 12:29 AM - cabin door struts (charles cook)
2. 05:19 AM - Re: cabin door struts (Noel Loveys)
3. 06:11 AM - Re: CCI VG's on the Avid Flyer STOL (Clem Nichols)
4. 06:56 AM - Re: bing 64 carb (kitfoxmike)
5. 07:21 AM - Re: CCI VG's on the Avid Flyer STOL (Larry Martin)
6. 07:48 AM - Re: cabin door struts (Guy Buchanan)
7. 07:56 AM - Re: Re: CCI VG's on the Avid Flyer STOL (Guy Buchanan)
8. 08:01 AM - Re: cabin door struts (Lowell Fitt)
9. 08:29 AM - Re: Carb slide position at full throttle on a two stroke
Rotax
(Tom Jones)
10. 08:31 AM - Re: CCI VG's on the Avid Flyer STOL (kurt schrader)
11. 08:32 AM - Re: cabin door struts (jdmcbean)
12. 08:46 AM - Re: cabin door struts (flier)
13. 08:51 AM - Re: Re: Carb slide position at full throttle on a two
stroke
Rotax ()
14. 08:53 AM - attn John McBean Wing tips ()
15. 09:21 AM - Re: cabin door struts (Marco Menezes)
16. 09:52 AM - Re: Fuel tanks (Bob)
17. 10:15 AM - Re: CCI VG's on the Avid Flyer STOL (Clem Nichols)
18. 10:18 AM - Re: attn John McBean Wing tips (jdmcbean)
19. 11:59 AM - Re: Re: bing 64 carb (mic thiessen)
20. 12:03 PM - Re: Carb slide position at full throttle on a two stroke
Rotax (Tom Jones)
21. 12:07 PM - Locktite on spinner bolt. (Tom Jones)
22. 02:23 PM - Re: bing 64 carb (kitfoxmike)
23. 02:38 PM - Re: 912 UL with IVO props (crazyivan)
24. 03:50 PM - Re: CCI VG's on the Avid Flyer STOL (Larry Martin)
25. 04:44 PM - Kitfox powder coat surface rusting?? (George Michaels)
26. 04:54 PM - Re: Locktite on spinner bolt. (neflyer48)
27. 05:00 PM - Re: Re: Carb slide position at full throttle on a two
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Rotax ()
28. 05:17 PM - Kitfox List Admin Retirement (fox5flyer)
29. 05:25 PM - Re: Locktite on spinner bolt. (Tom Jones)
30. 05:50 PM - New List administrators coming on board (Don Pearsall)
31. 05:53 PM - Re: Kitfox List Admin Retirement (Herbert R Gottelt)
32. 06:10 PM - Re: Kitfox List Admin Retirement (Larry Huntley)
33. 06:23 PM - Re: Re: Locktite on spinner bolt. (Randy Daughenbaugh)
34. 06:23 PM - Re: Kitfox List Admin Retirement (Randy Daughenbaugh)
35. 07:09 PM - Re: cabin door struts (Glenn Horne)
36. 08:23 PM - Re: New List administrators coming on board (Roger
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Time: 12:29:00 AM PST US
From: charles cook
Subject: Kitfox-List: cabin door struts
Does anybody have a picture or drawing on where and how to attach the
lift
struts
to the door frame and cabin door. Where did you buy the gas struts?
Charles Cook
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Time: 05:19:50 AM PST US
From: "Noel Loveys"
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: cabin door struts
I got one that I was able to fit to the plane from a salvage yard. I
have
two others here that art too long.
Noel
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[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of charles
cook
Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2007 4:57 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: cabin door struts
Does anybody have a picture or drawing on where and how to attach the
lift
struts to the door frame and cabin door. Where did you buy the gas
struts?
Charles Cook
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Time: 06:11:28 AM PST US
From: "Clem Nichols"
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: CCI VG's on the Avid Flyer STOL
Top or bottom side?
Clem Nichols
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Guy Buchanan"
Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 9:41 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: CCI VG's on the Avid Flyer STOL
>
> At 03:45 PM 4/11/2007, you wrote:
>>Art was first concerned about getting more lift from the tail, and
>>we placed the VGs per his instructions on the flat surfaced (non
>>airfoil) horizontal stab.
>
> Larry,
> Thank you for the great report. Where did you place the VG's
> on the stab?
>
> Thanks,
>
>
> Guy Buchanan
> San Diego, CA
> K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 100% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
________________________________ Message 4
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Time: 06:56:01 AM PST US
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: bing 64 carb
From: "kitfoxmike"
Guy,
I'm no expert on the bing. But I do know many of the parts are the same
between.
So I'm going to assume that the 64 operates the same. High or low floats
will effect the fuel entering the main jets for the fuel transfer is
straight
up and out.
As far as being a nut, I except your explaination. I am a person full of
energy
and sitting idle is not my game. I always have to be doing something.
--------
kitfoxmike
model IV, 1200
speedster
912ul
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Time: 07:21:11 AM PST US
From: "Larry Martin"
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: CCI VG's on the Avid Flyer STOL
Guy,
I don't want to be uncooperative, and my only stake in this is a set
of free VGs for doing the experimenting. Please understand that Art
(CCI) is a business and desires to keep spacing propitiatory. His
instructions has all the information needed.
I'm happy to report that it works very well and is money well spent;
especially in the tail improvements!
Larry
At 03:45 PM 4/11/2007, you wrote:
>Art was first concerned about getting more lift from the tail, and
>we placed the VGs per his instructions on the flat surfaced (non
>airfoil) horizontal stab.
Larry,
Thank you for the great report. Where did you place the VG's
on the stab?
Thanks,
Guy Buchanan
________________________________ Message 6
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Time: 07:48:41 AM PST US
From: Guy Buchanan
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: cabin door struts
At 12:26 AM 4/12/2007, you wrote:
>Does anybody have a picture or drawing on where and how to attach
>the lift struts to the door frame and cabin door. Where did you buy
>the gas struts?
What vehicle are you working on?
Guy Buchanan
San Diego, CA
K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 100% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar.
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________________________________ Message 7
_____________________________________
Time: 07:56:39 AM PST US
From: Guy Buchanan
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: CCI VG's on the Avid Flyer STOL
At 07:19 AM 4/12/2007, you wrote:
>I don't want to be uncooperative, and my only stake in this is a set
>of free VGs for doing the experimenting.
Larry, you might want to clarify this with the list. It wasn't clear
from your previous post that you were compensated for your efforts.
>Please understand that Art (CCI) is a business and desires to keep
>spacing propitiatory. His instructions has all the information needed.
I understand. I was really asking whether they were on the bottom or
top. And anyway, VG spacing can never be proprietary, unless you plan
to only fly at night out of Area 51! ;-) Anyone who sees your
aircraft at a fly-in will be able to replicate your placing. The
reason I would pay Art for his VG's are for his parts and service.
> I'm happy to report that it works very well and is money well
> spent; especially in the tail improvements!
I'm glad. Unfortunately my interest will have to wait further
information on the wing, as I do not see the difficulties you had
with your stab.
Guy Buchanan
San Diego, CA
K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 100% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar.
________________________________ Message 8
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Time: 08:01:19 AM PST US
From: "Lowell Fitt"
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: cabin door struts
Charles,
What you are looking for is the Suspa gas spring C-16-10788/ It has a
12.2"
extended length and an 8.3" compressed length and a 35# force. It can be
ordered from:
http://www.jlkrakercompany.com/suspa_cylinder_pricing.htm
I am sure there are other manufacturers and suppliers, but this is one
source for the original supplied Skystar and Denney gas springs.
Lowell
----- Original Message -----
From: "charles cook"
Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2007 12:26 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: cabin door struts
> Does anybody have a picture or drawing on where and how to attach the
lift
> struts to the door frame and cabin door. Where did you buy the gas
struts?
> Charles Cook
>
>
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________________________________ Message 9
_____________________________________
Time: 08:29:59 AM PST US
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Carb slide position at full throttle on a two
stroke
Rotax
From: "Tom Jones"
> The instructions I have say adjust it so that the slide valve is
completly
at
the top of the venturi. The drawing along with the instructions shows
the
air
cleaner side completly at the top of the venturi but the tang hanging
down a
couple milimeters into the venturi. How are some of you running?
Here's some more on this. My bing 54 carb throttles were adjusted so
that
the
hanging down part of the slide was even with the top of the venturi
which
put
the air cleaner side of the slide a few milimeters above the top of the
venturi.
There was a little free play left in the throttle cable when the stop
was
contacted at full throttle so no strain on the throttle cable ends.
I have the Arctic Sparrow adjustable needles and they would not turn at
full
throttle...not
that they need to be adjusted at full throttle...but this was telling
me there was some kind of strain going on with the sparrow needle cables
with this setting.
I called CPS yesterday to get their expert opinion as something seemed
to
not be
right. His answer couldn't have been more vague. I still didn't know the
answer
after talking with them.
I then adjusted the throttle cable so that the air cleaner side of the
slide
was
even with the top of the venturi and the manifold side is hanging down
into
it a few milimeters. I get the same static RPMs (6200) as before and the
sparrow
needle cables will turn at all throttle settings. The Rotax manuals seem
to lose something...okay, a lot...in the translation.
Tom Jones
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________________________________ Message 10
____________________________________
Time: 08:31:49 AM PST US
From: kurt schrader
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: CCI VG's on the Avid Flyer STOL
Hey Clem,
Your computer date is off again. ha ha You are way
back in May of '03.
Hope the Spring storms haven't been too bad for you,
Kurt
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>
> Clem Nichols
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________________________________ Message 11
____________________________________
Time: 08:32:20 AM PST US
From: "jdmcbean"
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: cabin door struts
We also have the gas struts available...
Fly Safe !!
John & Debra McBean
208.337.5111
www.kitfoxaircraft.com
"It's not how Fast... It's how Fun!"
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Lowell Fitt
Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2007 9:01 AM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: cabin door struts
Charles,
What you are looking for is the Suspa gas spring C-16-10788/ It has a
12.2"
extended length and an 8.3" compressed length and a 35# force. It can be
ordered from:
http://www.jlkrakercompany.com/suspa_cylinder_pricing.htm
I am sure there are other manufacturers and suppliers, but this is one
source for the original supplied Skystar and Denney gas springs.
Lowell
----- Original Message -----
From: "charles cook"
Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2007 12:26 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: cabin door struts
> Does anybody have a picture or drawing on where and how to attach the
lift
> struts to the door frame and cabin door. Where did you buy the gas
struts?
> Charles Cook
>
>
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________________________________ Message 12
____________________________________
Time: 08:46:38 AM PST US
From: "flier"
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: cabin door struts
Kencon Hardware in Bristol, IN at 574-848-5252 also
carries the Suspa C16-10788 struts at a good price.
--- Original Message ---
From: "Lowell Fitt"
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: cabin door struts
>
>Charles,
>
>What you are looking for is the Suspa gas spring C-
16-10788/ It has a 12.2"
>extended length and an 8.3" compressed length and a
35# force. It can be
>ordered from:
>
>http://www.jlkrakercompany.com/suspa_cylinder_pricing
.htm
>
>I am sure there are other manufacturers and
suppliers, but this is one
>source for the original supplied Skystar and Denney
gas springs.
>
>Lowell
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "charles cook"
>To:
>Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2007 12:26 AM
>Subject: Kitfox-List: cabin door struts
>
>
>> Does anybody have a picture or drawing on where
and how to attach the lift
>> struts to the door frame and cabin door. Where did
you buy the gas struts?
>> Charles Cook
>>
>>
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Time: 08:51:47 AM PST US
From:
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Carb slide position at full throttle on a
two
stroke
Rotax
Tom,
The artic sparrow needles are silver soldered onto the thread. Is it
possible that they are hitting the top?
If you slides are opening all the way and both carbs are synced You are
likely ok.
The higher your slides go the higher your needles go and come out of the
main jet.
Are you EGTs reading ok in cruise ? And do the spark plugs indicate a
good
fuel burn ? Do you have a fuel flow meter? If so what is your readings
are different rpms ?
Your prop might be set properly here and you would not get more rpm with
even bigger jetting as the next obstacle is your exhaust which is timing
your exhaust pulse and allowing for only so much scavenging right now.
Hey
you can get 100 HP out of a 582 but it will be in a narrow power band
and
you will use alot more fuel and have less reliability.
Dave
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tom Jones"
Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2007 11:29 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Carb slide position at full throttle on a two
stroke Rotax
>
>
>> The instructions I have say adjust it so that the slide valve is
>> completly at the top of the venturi. The drawing along with the
>> instructions shows the air cleaner side completly at the top of the
>> venturi but the tang hanging down a couple milimeters into the
venturi.
>> How are some of you running?
>
>
> Here's some more on this. My bing 54 carb throttles were adjusted so
that
> the hanging down part of the slide was even with the top of the
venturi
> which put the air cleaner side of the slide a few milimeters above the
top
> of the venturi. There was a little free play left in the throttle
cable
> when the stop was contacted at full throttle so no strain on the
throttle
> cable ends.
>
> I have the Arctic Sparrow adjustable needles and they would not turn
at
> full throttle...not that they need to be adjusted at full
throttle...but
> this was telling me there was some kind of strain going on with the
> sparrow needle cables with this setting.
>
> I called CPS yesterday to get their expert opinion as something seemed
to
> not be right. His answer couldn't have been more vague. I still didn't
> know the answer after talking with them.
>
> I then adjusted the throttle cable so that the air cleaner side of the
> slide was even with the top of the venturi and the manifold side is
> hanging down into it a few milimeters. I get the same static RPMs
(6200)
> as before and the sparrow needle cables will turn at all throttle
> settings. The Rotax manuals seem to lose something...okay, a lot...in
the
> translation.
> Tom Jones
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=106505#106505
>
>
>
________________________________ Message 14
____________________________________
Time: 08:53:39 AM PST US
From:
Subject: Kitfox-List: attn John McBean Wing tips
John ,
What will I gain or lose on my KF IV by changing from droop tips to your
newer style hoerner style tip ?
Dave
----- Original Message -----
From: "jdmcbean"
Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2007 11:32 AM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: cabin door struts
>
> We also have the gas struts available...
>
> Fly Safe !!
> John & Debra McBean
> 208.337.5111
> www.kitfoxaircraft.com
> "It's not how Fast... It's how Fun!"
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Lowell
Fitt
> Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2007 9:01 AM
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: cabin door struts
>
>
> Charles,
>
> What you are looking for is the Suspa gas spring C-16-10788/ It has a
> 12.2"
> extended length and an 8.3" compressed length and a 35# force. It can
be
> ordered from:
>
> http://www.jlkrakercompany.com/suspa_cylinder_pricing.htm
>
> I am sure there are other manufacturers and suppliers, but this is one
> source for the original supplied Skystar and Denney gas springs.
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