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1. 02:50 AM - Trim failure (avtar412)
2. 03:34 AM - Re: Trim failure (Bob)
3. 03:45 AM - Re: 582 Oil leak? ()
4. 03:50 AM - Re: My "Florida" trip...off topic ()
5. 04:53 AM - Re: 582 Oil leak? (fox5flyer)
6. 04:53 AM - Re: My "Florida" trip...off topic (xfire)
7. 04:55 AM - Re: Trim failure (fox5flyer)
8. 05:17 AM - Re: 582 Oil leak? (xfire)
9. 05:18 AM - Re: 582 Oil leak? ()
10. 05:19 AM - Re: Trim failure (W Duke)
11. 05:29 AM - More on Rotax 582 oil Re: 582 Oil leak? ()
12. 05:48 AM - Re: Re: My "Florida" trip...off topic (Lynn Matteson)
13. 06:02 AM - Re: Re: My "Florida" trip...off topic (Lynn Matteson)
14. 06:20 AM - Re: My "Florida" trip...off topic (Lynn Matteson)
15. 07:28 AM - Re: Trim failure (n85ae)
16. 07:36 AM - Re: My "Florida" trip...off topic (kitfoxmike)
17. 07:43 AM - Re: Trim failure (kitfoxmike)
18. 08:36 AM - Re: Re: Trim failure (Rick)
19. 08:38 AM - 582 Oil (Guy Buchanan)
20. 08:57 AM - Re: 582 Oil ()
21. 09:05 AM - More on Rotax 582 oil (fox5flyer)
22. 09:08 AM - Introduction (Guy Buchanan)
23. 10:31 AM - Re: More on Rotax 582 oil ()
24. 04:30 PM - Re: "Florida" Trip (Noel Loveys)
25. 04:32 PM - Re: 582 Oil (Noel Loveys)
26. 04:37 PM - Re: 582 Oil leak? (Noel Loveys)
27. 04:48 PM - Re: Re: My "Florida" trip...off topic (Lynn Matteson)
28. 05:44 PM - Re: My "Florida" trip...off topic (kitfoxmike)
29. 05:48 PM - Re: More on Rotax 582 oil (Noel Loveys)
30. 06:18 PM - Re: My "Florida" trip...off topic (Noel Loveys)
31. 06:39 PM - Re: More on Rotax 582 oil Re: 582 Oil leak? (Noel Loveys)
32. 07:12 PM - More on Rotax 582 oil Re: 582 Oil leak? (Tom Jones)
33. 07:20 PM - Irons for covering (jerry evans)
34. 07:40 PM - Re: 582 Oil leak? (david yeamans)
35. 07:57 PM - Re: Classic IV wing modsClassic IV wing mods (david yeamans)
36. 08:45 PM - Re: Classic IV wing modsClassic IV wing mods (Lowell Fitt)
37. 09:22 PM - Re: Classic IV wing modsClassic IV wing mods (Guy Buchanan)
38. 09:22 PM - Re: "Florida" Trip (Guy Buchanan)
39. 09:32 PM - Re: Irons for covering (Lynn Matteson)
40. 10:00 PM - Re: Re: My "Florida" trip...off topic (Lynn Matteson)
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My electric trim failed today during flight? Nearly hard back so was a slow flight
home and took a good force to stay level. Once on the ground it started to
work ok and seems to work fine. I'ts the later model unit used on the Series
5, anyone had this problem? Will look at the electrical connections next. ~j~
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| Subject: | Re: Trim failure |
First, establish whether it was an electrical problem or mechanical. The trim
switch housing actually contains two parrellel switches. Make absolutely sure
that your trim switch is wired so that the two sides (sets of contacts) are in
series and that there is no other way for power to get to the trim motor.
Mechanically, there was one report of a broken housing a long time ago, but controversy
about cause. I personally would take the trim motor out and make a good
visual and functional inspection.
Don't take trim failure lightly, as inadvertent trim settings change your stall
speed and control characteristics. An Alaska Airlines plane MD-80-series plane
crashed off the California coast after the trim broke free. I know of at least
two airplanes (Baron and 1900) where the pilots lost control because they
couldn't overcome runaway or extreme nose-up trim on takeoff. If trim runs away,
it sounds counter-intuitive, but stay slow enough (nose up or reduced power)
to where you can maintain control without worry about stall and land immediately.
Faster speeds put a heavier load on the tail, as well as increasing the
stick forces the pilot needs to fight. In the cases of the Baron and 1900,
both accelerate fairly quick and the stick forces overcame the pilots.
Bob
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| Subject: | Re: 582 Oil leak? |
Jim ,
I run Bombardier Mineral oil in injection and it is amber coloured.
In RV bottle I use Castrol super 2 stroke which is blue so I can see the
level easier.
Both of these oils are API-TC rated which is what is reco'd for 582s. Don't
be using outboard motor oil.
Maybe try changing one oil so you can see which one it is
Dave
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jack L Bell" <jack@comconn.com>
Sent: Sunday, April 22, 2007 3:24 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: 582 Oil leak?
>
>
> I hadn't flown my fox in a bit, and on visiting the hangar,
> noted a bit of oil under the plane. Something new?
>
> It appears as though the 2 cycle oil is making it through the
> rear carb, soaking the air filter, and dripping on through.
>
> This is a gray head, ~160 hours. No sign of oil in the coolant,
> and the oil pump bottle is right on the mark. It's not a lot of oil,
> maybe a 1/2 oz. or so, but I'd rather be safe than sorry.
>
> It's been a month since I flew her, and that's the longest it's
> ever been.. has anyone seen this before?
>
> Thanks,
>
> -Jack
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: My "Florida" trip...off topic |
Lynn, Good write up about your trip.
Did you know what was past that bank of clouds ?
Wx brief #1 -- then in flight you have to talk to flight sevice to get WX
ahead .
Mic Fright ? Well you should not be planning long X countries without being
fully trained and comfortable with radio.
Another thing is Slips from 9k or what ever altitude. Well if you are flying
over top and have to find a hole to come down through you should be able to
make rapid decents in tight areas to be abel to do this.
Just my thoughts, Good report and good learning experience for everyone.
Dave
----- Original Message -----
From: "Lynn Matteson" <lynnmatt@jps.net>
Sent: Sunday, April 22, 2007 7:18 AM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: My "Florida" trip...off topic
>
> What does the COMM-1 PC software cover? I'm using a Mac, and most
> software is geared to PC's/IBM's, unless you're talking a DVD. I've got
> the Sporty's Recreational Course on DVD, which has a LOT of weather
> training included. This trip to Florida was going to be my brush up
> before I attempt to fly to California in late May. I guess I learned what
> I don't know...or didn't apply.
>
> I guess I was just too rattled to think of using a slip at 9,000 feet. I
> was concerned about getting it down, and I had never used a slip except
> for during landings at approx. 60 mph. I did make sure I got it under Va
> just to be sure the control surfaces weren't going to rip off. When the
> bouncing began I was right at 108mph, and slowed from there to a
> controlled descent...well, as controlled as much as I could.
>
> I too find the following of chart features a game, and enjoy doing it. I
> guess I was more concerned with keeping the other plane in sight, and
> thus relied more on the GPS for direction. In hindsight, it would have
> better to not have a traveling partner, then I would have been left to my
> own resources, would have marked the chart with more checkpoints, made
> that call to FSS, and probably would have been told about a turbulent
> AIRMET...nope, no briefing...probably relying on the more experienced
> other pilot who hasn't owned his own plane in over 9 years, and hasn't
> done all that much flying lately. When I mentioned calling FSS and filing
> a flight plan, he reminded me we were just flying VFR...big mistake to
> accept that as an answer. When I look back on it, I've flown more hours
> in the past 10 months than he probably has in the past 4-5 years. I
> should have known better, and now I do, I hope.
>
> Lynn
> do not archive
> On Apr 22, 2007, at 1:34 AM, Guy Buchanan wrote:
>
>>
>> At 12:25 PM 4/21/2007, you wrote:
>>> I would have preferred to just go around the areas that
>>> required radio contact...at least until I have confidence in my radio
>>> manners and expertise.
>>
>> Best thing I ever did for radio work was buy and use the COMM-1 PC
>> software for VFR flight. I still use it to brush up before a big
>> cross-country. I also do preparatory cross countries before big cross
>> countries. In the preparatory I do everything I would do on the long
>> one, but do it all in one hour.
>>
>>> There was no way in hades that I was going to slip at that altitude,
>>> or under those turbulent conditions.
>>
>> A slip would not be unsafe if you were flying at less than maneuvering
>> speed, Va, which I assume you were doing, given the conditions.
>>
>>> Using the charts was problematic
>>> at best in Kentucky, because of the wide separation between towns,
>>> landmarks, whatever, and also the lack of good N-S and E-W section
>>> lines.
>>
>> I had a good friend teach me pilotage in the wilds of Wyoming. It is
>> amazing what you can identify on a chart and how you can cross- correlate
>> that information to find your location. If you ever get a chance to do a
>> mountain check-out, make sure the instructor helps you with this. You
>> can often quite easily identify mountain geometry, stream and dry beds,
>> lakes, and man-made objects sufficient to identify your location. When I
>> flew to Ft. Worth from San Diego I used pilotage exclusively until I got
>> to west Texas, where it became so flat I started to rely more on the
>> GPS. Even then I kept a close track on where I was on the chart and made
>> it a game to identify landmarks and locate them and myself.
>>
>>> Before I go on another trip, I'll learn more about weather, and what
>>> conditions cause what, and be better prepared to observe what I'm
>>> getting into, and make a decision earlier as to when to go down, or
>>> stay down 'til another day, or 'til conditions improve.
>>
>> I can't remember, did you get a full weather briefing from Flight
>> Service before departure? If so, did they mention a turbulence AIRMET?
>>
>>
>> Guy Buchanan
>> San Diego, CA
>> K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 100% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: 582 Oil leak? |
As I recall, Pennzoil Outboard Premium Air-cooled is the recommended oil for
the Rotax 582.
Deke
>
> I run Bombardier Mineral oil in injection and it is amber coloured.
> In RV bottle I use Castrol super 2 stroke which is blue so I can see the
> level easier.
> Both of these oils are API-TC rated which is what is reco'd for 582s.
Don't
> be using outboard motor oil.
>
> Maybe try changing one oil so you can see which one it is
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| Subject: | Re: My "Florida" trip...off topic |
I made thye mistake early on in my flight training to stay away from controled
airspace. I was flying in and out of a controled airport, but as soon as I hit
500' I was rolling out to the west and heading out to spot bears and moose and
go fishing. I avoided heading North into Anchorage or Merril field at all
costs as I did not want to screw up on the radio and sound like an idiot. I had
a great understanding of the procedures and all, but was just to bashfull about
using them. I figured out after about 10 years that it was not so bad after
all and now wish I had all the gas I burned up avoiding airspace instead of
going straight through it. I also found that I was not alone in trying to avoid
the airspace so the narrow coridor between ANC airspace and the mountains
was full of idiots like me.. It is a wonder that there are not anymore midairs
due to that.
I am not up on sport pilot regs, but didnt you have to demonstrate radio proficiency
as well as the airmanship on the check ride?
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| Subject: | Re: Trim failure |
It's probably the switch ~j~?. Mine did the same thing.
Deke
>
> My electric trim failed today during flight? Nearly hard back so was a
slow flight home and took a good force to stay level. Once on the ground it
started to work ok and seems to work fine. I'ts the later model unit used on
the Series 5, anyone had this problem? Will look at the electrical
connections next. ~j~
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| Subject: | Re: 582 Oil leak? |
[quote="Fox5flyer"]As I recall, Pennzoil Outboard Premium Air-cooled is the recommended
oil for
the Rotax 582.
Deke
Aircooled outboard ?? Been alot of years since I have seen one. I think the outboard
and the aircooled are two different oils.
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| Subject: | Re: 582 Oil leak? |
Deke,
Pennzoil for Aircooled yes with a API-TC rating.
Outboard oil will have a TW3 or TC W3 rating and it API-TC is not listed
then it is not the same.
Totally different operating conditions -- ie outboards run a contanst
supply of 80F or cooler water. just to name one .
582s in Aircraft need a better oil
Dave
----- Original Message -----
From: "fox5flyer" <fox5flyer@idealwifi.net>
Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 8:52 AM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: 582 Oil leak?
>
> As I recall, Pennzoil Outboard Premium Air-cooled is the recommended oil
> for
> the Rotax 582.
> Deke
>
>>
>> I run Bombardier Mineral oil in injection and it is amber coloured.
>> In RV bottle I use Castrol super 2 stroke which is blue so I can see the
>> level easier.
>> Both of these oils are API-TC rated which is what is reco'd for 582s.
> Don't
>> be using outboard motor oil.
>>
>> Maybe try changing one oil so you can see which one it is
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Trim failure |
I have had a periodic problem with my trim switch.
Symptom- trim stops working.
Findings- some carbon buildup on the contacts in the switch.
Cure- remove the switch from its housing and clean the contacts. I have had
to do this 3-4 times in about 500 hours on the Hobbs. Lots of landings and take
offs as my wife learned to fly. Therefore, lots of trim usage.
Note- There are several small parts inside the rocker switch. Try not to let
them fall out and roll away. A little lithium grease helps hold them together
during reassembly.
Maxwell S6/TD/IO 240
avtar412 <janderson412@hotmail.com> wrote:
My electric trim failed today during flight? Nearly hard back so was a slow flight
home and took a good force to stay level. Once on the ground it started to
work ok and seems to work fine. I'ts the later model unit used on the Series
5, anyone had this problem? Will look at the electrical connections next. ~j~
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| Subject: | Re: 582 Oil leak? |
Deke, I just dida search and found some information for you.
Pennzoil ==> THIS IS the only product ithink they have that is good for
Rotax 582s.
http://www.pennzoil.com/products/outdoor/2cycle_aircooled.html
I buy mine bulk from Rotax == XPS mineral oil and here is what plugs look
like after 152 hours in my 582 > http://www.cfisher.com/152hournkg.html
I am Very happy with this oil and regular gas. If you use AVGAS 100LL you
would not get this life from plugs plus you will risk contaminating your
bearings with lead. Occasional use would be ok but not continual .
Dave
http://www.rotaxservice.com/rotax_tips/rotax_feed2.htm
2-stroke oil specifications
Rotax recommends using a "super" two-stroke oil which corresponds to
ASTM/CEC standards and/or API-TC classification. It is also essential to
choose an oil which is designed for an air cooled engine even if you own a
liquid cooled engine.
2-stroke oil type
For most Canadian users a mineral or semi synthetic oil is recommended.
Synthetic oil should only be used by those who operate their engine nearly
every day. Even when shut down, air is constantly circulating through a
2-stroke engine; it is never sealed like a 4-stroke engine. Even though it
has excellent lubricating properties, a synthetic oil does not effectively
protect a stopped 2-stroke engine against corrosion: it tends to attract
moisture and will run off the parts rather than leave a protective coating.
To be avoided:
a.. Oils whose label do not bear the above mentioned required
specifications
b.. Oils primarily designed for outboard 2-stroke engines
c.. Mixing ratios other than 50:1
----- Original Message -----
From: "fox5flyer" <fox5flyer@idealwifi.net>
Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 8:52 AM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: 582 Oil leak?
>
> As I recall, Pennzoil Outboard Premium Air-cooled is the recommended oil
> for
> the Rotax 582.
> Deke
>
>>
>> I run Bombardier Mineral oil in injection and it is amber coloured.
>> In RV bottle I use Castrol super 2 stroke which is blue so I can see the
>> level easier.
>> Both of these oils are API-TC rated which is what is reco'd for 582s.
> Don't
>> be using outboard motor oil.
>>
>> Maybe try changing one oil so you can see which one it is
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: My "Florida" trip...off topic |
Yes, I copy that you were not taping yourself...I just took the
process a step further, thinking that if I heard myself talking, I
might see how I sound compared to the** liveatc** stuff and grade my
own ability. Thanks, Luis.
And I just added this note: I ran into my flight instructor at
coffee just now, told him of my solo flight into JXN Class D airport,
using the radio, and he said "We'll have to get you signed
off...bring your log book over." Sounds like I'll be legal soon, even
if it takes a little question and answer session.
Lynn
do not archive
On Apr 22, 2007, at 11:19 PM, wingnut wrote:
>
> You understand that I wasn't taping myself? Check out the web site
> I posted (www.liveatc.com). You can listen to live ATC from dozens
> of airports around the world being streamed over the Internet. You
> can even download archived broadcasts. It's some of those archived
> broadcasts that I burned to a CD. Nothing like hearing the pros do it.
>
>
>> Haven't heard from you for awhile...thanks for responding.
>> The readback first and tail number last seems better to me too. Good
>> idea on the taped/CD'd clips. Maybe I'll tape myself making calls
>> until they become second nature.
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=108555#108555
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: My "Florida" trip...off topic |
Re "demonstrate radio proficiency as well as the airmanship on the
check ride?"...no, I told the examiner that at the point of taking
the checkride, my intercom was low on volume, and this caused the
radio (which goes through the i'com) to be low on volume, and being a
little hard of hearing, I didn't want to be examined on radio use. He
understood...especially when my flight instructor, who is good
friends with the examiner, told him that I was an old fart and
couldn't hear worth a s__t, and he would sign the radio endorsement
after I got the radio volume increased and we did the required radio
work at towered fields. Reading between the lines this meant Brian
(flight instructor) would yell at me, slap me around a bit, call me a
dumb s--t and sign me off. :)
The radio endorsement is an add-on to the Sport Pilot ticket, or can
be done at the same checkride if desired.
Lynn
do not archive
On Apr 23, 2007, at 7:53 AM, xfire wrote:
> <leonard.perry@acsalaska.net>
>
> I made thye mistake early on in my flight training to stay away
> from controled airspace. I was flying in and out of a controled
> airport, but as soon as I hit 500' I was rolling out to the west
> and heading out to spot bears and moose and go fishing. I avoided
> heading North into Anchorage or Merril field at all costs as I did
> not want to screw up on the radio and sound like an idiot. I had a
> great understanding of the procedures and all, but was just to
> bashfull about using them. I figured out after about 10 years that
> it was not so bad after all and now wish I had all the gas I burned
> up avoiding airspace instead of going straight through it. I also
> found that I was not alone in trying to avoid the airspace so the
> narrow coridor between ANC airspace and the mountains was full of
> idiots like me.. It is a wonder that there are not anymore midairs
> due to that.
>
> I am not up on sport pilot regs, but didnt you have to demonstrate
> radio proficiency as well as the airmanship on the check ride?
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=108594#108594
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: My "Florida" trip...off topic |
Hi Dave-
Not getting the WX brief was the first mistake, flying with someone
who I thought was more experienced and therefore following his "lead"
was the second. I should have called on my own before I ever left the
house. I've done this before though and found the conditions way
worse than what I was told. Third mistake was not getting a brief
while we were at Sporty's for the next leg of the trip. The other guy
was too cocky, and I was too shy to push for the info...after all (I
said to myself) "this is just another VFR flight"...yeah, RIGHT!
The mic fright is pretty well a thing of the past now that I've had
to make a few calls, and done some listening over the past few days.
I'm gonna talk to my instructor today about those 9k slips in
turbulent conditions, or just slips in general, and under what
conditions they are useable. We are going over to rescue a plane that
got away from the pilot during hand propping and climbed a gas pump
at a nearby airport, so I'll have some time to pick his brain while
we're together.
Lynn (thanks again for the DVD)
do not archive
On Apr 23, 2007, at 6:50 AM, <davef@cfisher.com> <davef@cfisher.com>
wrote:
>
> Lynn, Good write up about your trip.
>
> Did you know what was past that bank of clouds ?
> Wx brief #1 -- then in flight you have to talk to flight sevice to
> get WX ahead .
> Mic Fright ? Well you should not be planning long X countries
> without being fully trained and comfortable with radio.
>
> Another thing is Slips from 9k or what ever altitude. Well if you
> are flying over top and have to find a hole to come down through
> you should be able to make rapid decents in tight areas to be abel
> to do this.
>
>
> Just my thoughts, Good report and good learning experience for
> everyone.
>
>
> Dave
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lynn Matteson" <lynnmatt@jps.net>
> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Sunday, April 22, 2007 7:18 AM
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: My "Florida" trip...off topic
>
>
>>
>> What does the COMM-1 PC software cover? I'm using a Mac, and most
>> software is geared to PC's/IBM's, unless you're talking a DVD.
>> I've got the Sporty's Recreational Course on DVD, which has a LOT
>> of weather training included. This trip to Florida was going to
>> be my brush up before I attempt to fly to California in late May.
>> I guess I learned what I don't know...or didn't apply.
>>
>> I guess I was just too rattled to think of using a slip at 9,000
>> feet. I was concerned about getting it down, and I had never used
>> a slip except for during landings at approx. 60 mph. I did make
>> sure I got it under Va just to be sure the control surfaces
>> weren't going to rip off. When the bouncing began I was right at
>> 108mph, and slowed from there to a controlled descent...well, as
>> controlled as much as I could.
>>
>> I too find the following of chart features a game, and enjoy
>> doing it. I guess I was more concerned with keeping the other
>> plane in sight, and thus relied more on the GPS for direction. In
>> hindsight, it would have better to not have a traveling partner,
>> then I would have been left to my own resources, would have
>> marked the chart with more checkpoints, made that call to FSS,
>> and probably would have been told about a turbulent
>> AIRMET...nope, no briefing...probably relying on the more
>> experienced other pilot who hasn't owned his own plane in over 9
>> years, and hasn't done all that much flying lately. When I
>> mentioned calling FSS and filing a flight plan, he reminded me we
>> were just flying VFR...big mistake to accept that as an answer.
>> When I look back on it, I've flown more hours in the past 10
>> months than he probably has in the past 4-5 years. I should have
>> known better, and now I do, I hope.
>>
>> Lynn
>> do not archive
>> On Apr 22, 2007, at 1:34 AM, Guy Buchanan wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> At 12:25 PM 4/21/2007, you wrote:
>>>> I would have preferred to just go around the areas that
>>>> required radio contact...at least until I have confidence in my
>>>> radio
>>>> manners and expertise.
>>>
>>> Best thing I ever did for radio work was buy and use the COMM-1
>>> PC software for VFR flight. I still use it to brush up before a
>>> big cross-country. I also do preparatory cross countries before
>>> big cross countries. In the preparatory I do everything I would
>>> do on the long one, but do it all in one hour.
>>>
>>>> There was no way in hades that I was going to slip at that
>>>> altitude,
>>>> or under those turbulent conditions.
>>>
>>> A slip would not be unsafe if you were flying at less than
>>> maneuvering speed, Va, which I assume you were doing, given the
>>> conditions.
>>>
>>>> Using the charts was problematic
>>>> at best in Kentucky, because of the wide separation between towns,
>>>> landmarks, whatever, and also the lack of good N-S and E-W section
>>>> lines.
>>>
>>> I had a good friend teach me pilotage in the wilds of Wyoming.
>>> It is amazing what you can identify on a chart and how you can
>>> cross- correlate that information to find your location. If you
>>> ever get a chance to do a mountain check-out, make sure the
>>> instructor helps you with this. You can often quite easily
>>> identify mountain geometry, stream and dry beds, lakes, and man-
>>> made objects sufficient to identify your location. When I flew
>>> to Ft. Worth from San Diego I used pilotage exclusively until I
>>> got to west Texas, where it became so flat I started to rely
>>> more on the GPS. Even then I kept a close track on where I was
>>> on the chart and made it a game to identify landmarks and locate
>>> them and myself.
>>>
>>>> Before I go on another trip, I'll learn more about weather, and
>>>> what
>>>> conditions cause what, and be better prepared to observe what I'm
>>>> getting into, and make a decision earlier as to when to go down, or
>>>> stay down 'til another day, or 'til conditions improve.
>>>
>>> I can't remember, did you get a full weather briefing from Flight
>>> Service before departure? If so, did they mention a turbulence
>>> AIRMET?
>>>
>>>
>>> Guy Buchanan
>>> San Diego, CA
>>> K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 100% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Trim failure |
The trim motor armature tends to gum up. Take the two long screws out
the hold the back of the motor together. Slide the case off, and clean the
contacts with some fine emery closth, clean with something like acf-50
and reassemble. As I recall you need to use some paper clips to hold the
brushes in for reassembly.
You'll need to pop the actuator out to do it. It is a simple fix.
Jeff Hays
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| Subject: | Re: My "Florida" trip...off topic |
Lynn,
Quit the trip. I understand that you are sport pilot. Now my question is how
many endorsements do you have, I'm sure you have a tail wheel. But sport pilot
in 25 hrs(by the book) means that you are left out of much of the training that
a PPL gets. My advice before you head out on a trip of this magnitude again,
is to get more taining and the endorsements that will put you up to speed
to the PPL. That way you don't have to rely on some other pilot to make decisions
for your flight, you can always fall back on what YOU know.
Now I'm very good in controlled airspace, so much that I don't think about it when
I talk to ATC. Now last night, I went through controlled C airspace and flew
to an airport that was uncontrolled, talk about being tongue tied. My goodness,
I was scrabling for what to say, of course this was a new airport for me,
and everything from the pattern to the approach was different, so I was flutering
all over the place, of course I made it down ok. But, the ol' trainging
days quickly came back and I fell into the right talk and procedures real quick.
Ya, ya, I go into uncontrolled feilds all the time, but those are automatic,
I know the procedures, the calls are second nature, but when you get into
an area, or airport you are not familiar with, the fluster comes right in, and
the only thing that gets you out of it is the training that you had in the
normal procedures.
Oh! one last thing, get a hand held radio and go to a busy airport and dial in
and listen, you learn a bunch.
Hope this helps.
--------
kitfoxmike
model IV, 1200
speedster
912ul
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| Subject: | Re: Trim failure |
I'm not familiar with the 5. But if it uses the rayallen stuff and you have a
relay deck, I would look right at that bugger. I had mine give the same symtom
and it was that relay deck, I went and put some airbubble packing around my
new one. Now if it's a big motor in the back with brushes, I would start there,
take the end off the motor and clean the brushes.
--------
kitfoxmike
model IV, 1200
speedster
912ul
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| Subject: | Re: Trim failure |
If that doesn't work contact me off list I have one.
Rick
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of n85ae
Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 7:28 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Trim failure
The trim motor armature tends to gum up. Take the two long screws out
the hold the back of the motor together. Slide the case off, and clean
the
contacts with some fine emery closth, clean with something like acf-50
and reassemble. As I recall you need to use some paper clips to hold the
brushes in for reassembly.
You'll need to pop the actuator out to do it. It is a simple fix.
Jeff Hays
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At 05:28 AM 4/23/2007, you wrote:
>Deke, I just dida search and found some information for you.
>Pennzoil ==> THIS IS the only product ithink they have that is good
>for Rotax 582s.
>http://www.pennzoil.com/products/outdoor/2cycle_aircooled.html
Since the twice dreaded 2-stroke oil debate is starting again I have
changed the subject to suit.
I will only add that I use Pennzoil for air cooled and provide the
following link with some useful information on the subject:
http://www.ultralightnews.com/features/oiltest.htm
Guy Buchanan, Kitfox List Moderator
San Diego, CA
K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 100% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar.
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Guy , you should have included this from Dave Loveman's site
http://www.ultralightnews.com/enginetroublshooting/oiltr.htm
Once again it warns > AGAINST < outboard oils TCw3 oil for our 582s
Dave
Two stroke Aircraft engine oils - there is a difference!
Ultralight Aircraft pilots flying on two stroke engines should be
aware that their are different oil recommendations for the two different
styles of Rotax two stroke engines used in aircraft application.
There is one OIL FOR AIR-COOLED ENGINES.
Air cooled engines run hotter than water cooled outboard-type engines
and require a lubricant formulated for their unique lubrication
requirements.
Outboard oils have a lower flashing point and tend to burn up early in
air-cooled engines, causing carbonization and eventual ring sticking.
Because of this, BIA, TC-W and TC-WII oils can promote the formation
of deposits.
Rotax recommends the use of a 2-cycle oil for air cooled engines as
the optimum oil in most of their owner's manuals (all but the 618).
This includes the 277/377/447/ 503 air cooled engines PLUS the 532 and
582 liquid cooled engines.
These liquid cooled engines run the same high internal temperatures as
the air-cooled smaller engines and require the same high-temperature type of
oil.
ATTENTION
These oils are NOT compatible with TC-W or TC-WII lubricants.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Guy Buchanan" <bnn@nethere.com>
Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 11:36 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: 582 Oil
>
> At 05:28 AM 4/23/2007, you wrote:
>>Deke, I just dida search and found some information for you.
>>Pennzoil ==> THIS IS the only product ithink they have that is good for
>>Rotax 582s.
>>http://www.pennzoil.com/products/outdoor/2cycle_aircooled.html
>
> Since the twice dreaded 2-stroke oil debate is starting again I have
> changed the subject to suit.
>
> I will only add that I use Pennzoil for air cooled and provide the
> following link with some useful information on the subject:
>
> http://www.ultralightnews.com/features/oiltest.htm
>
>
> Guy Buchanan, Kitfox List Moderator
> San Diego, CA
> K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 100% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar.
>
>
>
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| Subject: | More on Rotax 582 oil |
Everyone has an opinion and I'm sure most have some validity. Personally, I
believe any good quality 2 stroke oil will probably do a fine job, but here
is a very good independent test that was done some years ago and enough
to convince me so I used it to put about 400 hours on my 582 before I sold
it. At 500 hours it was torn down and I was told that it was still like
new. In my original post I mistakenly used the word "Outboard" from memory
so disregard that part.
Deke
http://www.ultralightnews.com/features/oiltest.htm
> Pennzoil ==> THIS IS the only product ithink they have that is good for
> Rotax 582s.
> http://www.pennzoil.com/products/outdoor/2cycle_aircooled.html
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Hi everybody,
I'm one of the new moderators, replacing Deke Morisse who
has gracefully bowed out after 12 long years. I will be working with
Michael Gibbs who has taken the position vacated by Don Pearsall. How
did we get elected to the post? We didn't. Don and Deke picked their
replacements and it looks like you're stuck with their decisions.
Seriously, though, Michael and I will work hard to make this forum
work as a useful tool for Kitfox builders and flyers.
First I want to tell you a little about myself as I relate
to the forum, and then go over the guidelines as I see them.
Guy's rules:
1. Have fun.
2. Don't lie.
3. Don't steal.
4. Honor your work.
5. Always strive to improve.
6. Please the customer, but never compromise quality.
Guy's interpretation of the forum guidelines:
1. How to reply:
A. If in doubt, don't.
B. Include only the text you're replying to. Quoting the
entire message gums up the works.
C. Change the TO: address as necessary. Ask yourself who
really NEEDS to hear the post. (A good guideline is that OFF TOPIC,
DO NOT ARCHIVE, and "attaboy" replies should rarely go to the entire list.)
D. If you're changing the subject, do so, otherwise leave it
alone; this keeps threads intact.
2. Check the archives first, then Google, then ask the list. The
answer's usually out there already. (I will make it a personal goal
to start transferring threads to Matt's Wiki.)
3. Your signature should include your full name, approximate
location, aircraft and engine type, and build / flying status. This
really cuts down on the confusion, while introducing everyone to you
and your bird.
4. We use names here, not handles. Make sure your full name appears
clearly somewhere in the post.
5. This forum is primarily for FACTS and EXPERIENCES. It is NOT for
uninformed opinion, otherwise known as gossip. (Note that this does
not, in any way, prevent you from gossiping directly.) If you know
something, please provide a source that is in some way experiential,
and not simply hearsay.
6. Blatant, but discrete, commercialism of Kitfox oriented ventures
is welcomed. If you abuse this privilege we'll start charging you
advertising rates. ;-)
Speaking for myself, I like to moderate with a fairly heavy
hand. I try to be fair and consistent and to keep it fun. I encourage
camaraderie, but discourage chat. (I encourage chat off-line.) And I
will always encourage constructive criticism of my performance. I'll
even accept verbal abuse if it will make you feel better. Thank you
all for participating and I look forward to seeing many of you at
future fly-ins.
Respectfully,
Guy Buchanan, Kitfox List Moderator
San Diego, CA
K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 100% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar.
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| Subject: | Re: More on Rotax 582 oil |
Deke,
I think what is confusing on Pennzoil is they call it Outdoor brand now but
there is definatly a difference between the Air-cooled and outboard oils.
It shows in the ratings on their site as I posted earlier.
Air-cooled - API- TC - This is what Rotax calls for .
Outboard - TC W3 - This it NOT what Rotax recomends
http://www.rotax-aircraft-engines.com/pdf/dokus/d04085.pdf
go to section 10.2.3
It calls for API-TC -sorry cannot copy and paste it .
Dave
----- Original Message -----
From: "fox5flyer" <fox5flyer@idealwifi.net>
Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 1:02 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: More on Rotax 582 oil
>
> Everyone has an opinion and I'm sure most have some validity. Personally,
> I
> believe any good quality 2 stroke oil will probably do a fine job, but
> here
> is a very good independent test that was done some years ago and enough
> to convince me so I used it to put about 400 hours on my 582 before I sold
> it. At 500 hours it was torn down and I was told that it was still like
> new. In my original post I mistakenly used the word "Outboard" from
> memory
> so disregard that part.
> Deke
>
> http://www.ultralightnews.com/features/oiltest.htm
>
>> Pennzoil ==> THIS IS the only product ithink they have that is good for
>> Rotax 582s.
>> http://www.pennzoil.com/products/outdoor/2cycle_aircooled.html
>
>
>
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Lynn:
Don't worry too much about your radio "technique" The important thing is to
be on the right frequency listening to the correct information. That's what
it's all about. I've only once heard about anyone getting written up over a
lapse of radio procedure. On the ham bands where the contact is the
important thing then procedure is really appreciated but that's another
quintal of fish.
Noel
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
> John Allen
> Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 4:24 AM
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Kitfox-List: "Florida" Trip
>
>
>
> Re
> Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net>
> Subject: Kitfox-List: My "Florida" trip
> Pilotage
> Radio Use
> Turbulence
> Crosswinds
>
> Some thoughts:
>
> A pilot is supposed to access "all information" before
> flight. Of course by the time you are done, you have
> to start over due to conditions becoming stale during
> the time lapse. All joking aside, there are some
> important things to check. That includes weather
> conditions, your route, prohibited airspace,
> alternatives, and the condition of the aircraft,
> including making sure parts like seats are properly
> fastened (like pilot seats on many Cessnas that can
> slide back upon takeoff). Remember, the pilot in
> command usually is assigned the blame.
>
> Many of us who started flying before GPS, and without
> radios, learned pilotage. Still good to know. You
> can find landmarks almost anywhere, can determine your
> heading and groundspeed and make compass corrections
> (if those were not calculated on preflight or differ
> due to changed conditions or a wrong forecast). Other
> options besides GPS are vectors from ATC, or
> intersecting readings from two VOR's. One should be
> able to determine and hold a proper compass heading
> over featureless terrain.
>
> Radio use is just like landings, it takes practice.
> Like you, I liked to stay out of busy places and was
> not comfortable with radio use, because I learned and
> flew without ever using it much. But, it can be
> convenient to pass through certain airspace and
> usually you will not get reprimanded if your technique
> is not perfect. Visit an ATC facility sometime.
>
> If you fly into bad conditions, there is usually a
> real good option, better exercised earlier rather than
> later: the 180. Normally it is better where you came
> from and you can go back there. Proceeding is not
> worth dying for or breaking up an airplane, although
> people do both in T-storms or severe weather
> conditions of some type that, often, they could have
> flown away from. The longer you continue into the bad
> conditions, the more restricted your options usually
> become.
>
> If you arrive someplace that has a crosswind beyond
> the plane's (or pilot's) limitations and have to land
> soon, you may have a couple of alternatives to
> potential damage from a beyond-limits crosswind
> landing. If you have an AFD or GPS (and it is not too
> bumpy to read it and you know where you are) you may
> be able to find a strip with more favorable runways.
> Another option some pilots have used in a strong
> crosswing is to land across the runway/taxiway or on
> the ramp, depending upon the facilities and
> conditions, as the rollout should be short. After
> landing, you may need to let the plane weathervane and
> get help walking the wings in and tying down to avoid
> blowing over on taxi. Being closer in is an advantage
> for that. Some runways have sheltered areas on the
> runway due to terrain or buildings. You can look for
> clues or drag the runway first, but watch for
> windshear in the transition.
>
> __________________________________________________
>
>
>
>
>
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Nah it's too late for that one this year... Hold on to your thoughts on two
stroke oil until half past February.
Noel
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
> Guy Buchanan
> Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 1:06 PM
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Kitfox-List: 582 Oil
>
>
>
> At 05:28 AM 4/23/2007, you wrote:
> >Deke, I just dida search and found some information for you.
> >Pennzoil ==> THIS IS the only product ithink they have that is good
> >for Rotax 582s.
> >http://www.pennzoil.com/products/outdoor/2cycle_aircooled.html
>
> Since the twice dreaded 2-stroke oil debate is starting again I have
> changed the subject to suit.
>
> I will only add that I use Pennzoil for air cooled and provide the
> following link with some useful information on the subject:
>
> http://www.ultralightnews.com/features/oiltest.htm
>
>
> Guy Buchanan, Kitfox List Moderator
> San Diego, CA
> K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 100% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Dave:
I thought it was recommended to use the same oil in the RV as in the
injector pump. You are saying it really doesn't matter that much as long as
both oils are API-TC rated.
Noel
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
> davef@cfisher.com
> Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 8:15 AM
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: 582 Oil leak?
>
>
>
> Jim ,
>
> I run Bombardier Mineral oil in injection and it is amber coloured.
> In RV bottle I use Castrol super 2 stroke which is blue so I
> can see the
> level easier.
> Both of these oils are API-TC rated which is what is reco'd
> for 582s. Don't
> be using outboard motor oil.
>
> Maybe try changing one oil so you can see which one it is
>
>
> Dave
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jack L Bell" <jack@comconn.com>
> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Sunday, April 22, 2007 3:24 PM
> Subject: Kitfox-List: 582 Oil leak?
>
>
> >
> >
> > I hadn't flown my fox in a bit, and on visiting the hangar,
> > noted a bit of oil under the plane. Something new?
> >
> > It appears as though the 2 cycle oil is making it through the
> > rear carb, soaking the air filter, and dripping on through.
> >
> > This is a gray head, ~160 hours. No sign of oil in the coolant,
> > and the oil pump bottle is right on the mark. It's not a lot of oil,
> > maybe a 1/2 oz. or so, but I'd rather be safe than sorry.
> >
> > It's been a month since I flew her, and that's the longest it's
> > ever been.. has anyone seen this before?
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > -Jack
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: My "Florida" trip...off topic |
I've got the suggested hand-held radio, and went to a local D
airport, and for 45 minutes there was no traffic to listen to. That
was last year, during my training for SP. Yes I have the tailwheel
endorsement, presolo aeronautical knowledge endorsement, and all the
other pertinent endorsements that allowed me to do my solo takeoffs
and landings (within 25 miles, within 50 miles), initial solo x--
country, each solo x-country, repeated solo x-country. I now have
190 hours solo, 90 dual, about 600 takeoffs and landings, flown with
skis, landed and taken off at Oshkosh, flew through a couple of Class
D airports, making my own calls, monitored towered airports as I flew
outside their airspace, don't get tongue-tied when I make my
uncontrolled field calls...pretty much everything but getting the
endorsement, which will come this week. My instructor told me today
that we will go to Class D JXN, and make sure that I can do it and he
will sign me off.
I'm not sure what other endorsements I would need to get me "up to
speed to the PPL" High performance airplane? Hardly. Private pilot
aeronautical? My instructor says I came in with more aeronautical
knowledge than anyone he has taught (19,000 hours in his log book).
No, I haven't been under the hood yet, but I'd like to.
As to the 25 hours that a Sport Pilot needs, very few ever get by
with just 25 hours training, like a PP seldom ever gets "it" in 40.
I've got more and better training in my spread-out 90 than a lot of
the PPL's that I've come across...like the PPL that I flew behind
during this recent trip. Those guys got theirs years ago, and some
need to get refreshed.
My previous 90 hours of dual were spread over a two-year period,
hence the flatter learning curve, and some of these hours were at the
"we'll take your money and teach you r-e-a-l s-l-o-w so as to get
more of that money" training schools, during which radio work was
handled by the instructor. The rest of the 90 hours were at untowered
airports, where I made my own "self-announce" calls.
I'm not sure I understand your comment "quit the trip". If it means
"turn the page", "enough already", "shut the hell up", fine, I'm cool
with that. But if others are willing to make suggestions, I'm going
to respond in kind and thank them for their input, because I really
appreciate it. And the topic is clearly entitled "off topic" and
therefore can be easily deleted by those who are sick of hearing
about it. Or maybe your comment was meant to read "quite the trip" in
which case, I'd have to say yes it was, and I learned a lot.
Lynn
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On Apr 23, 2007, at 10:36 AM, kitfoxmike wrote:
> <customtrans@qwest.net>
>
> Lynn,
> Quit the trip. I understand that you are sport pilot. Now my
> question is how many endorsements do you have, I'm sure you have a
> tail wheel. But sport pilot in 25 hrs(by the book) means that you
> are left out of much of the training that a PPL gets. My advice
> before you head out on a trip of this magnitude again, is to get
> more taining and the endorsements that will put you up to speed to
> the PPL. That way you don't have to rely on some other pilot to
> make decisions for your flight, you can always fall back on what
> YOU know.
>
> Now I'm very good in controlled airspace, so much that I don't
> think about it when I talk to ATC. Now last night, I went through
> controlled C airspace and flew to an airport that was uncontrolled,
> talk about being tongue tied. My goodness, I was scrabling for
> what to say, of course this was a new airport for me, and
> everything from the pattern to the approach was different, so I was
> flutering all over the place, of course I made it down ok. But,
> the ol' trainging days quickly came back and I fell into the right
> talk and procedures real quick. Ya, ya, I go into uncontrolled
> feilds all the time, but those are automatic, I know the
> procedures, the calls are second nature, but when you get into an
> area, or airport you are not familiar with, the fluster comes right
> in, and the only thing that gets you out of it is the training that
> you had in the normal procedures.
>
> Oh! one last thing, get a hand held radio and go to a busy airport
> and dial in and listen, you learn a bunch.
>
> Hope this helps.
>
> --------
> kitfoxmike
> model IV, 1200
> speedster
> 912ul
> Do not archive
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=108631#108631
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: My "Florida" trip...off topic |
Sorry lynn,
forgot the e. quite the trip. A real hair raiser. What I meant by the 25 hrs
sport pilot is just that, for the innitial sport pilot requirements there isn't
much in it. When I did my PPL I learned in Class C. I always flew when
the traffic was at it's worse, the radio was hard to do, in fact when I fly class
C I concider the radio half the battle. I know people that got their PPL
and know half what I learned. Sounds like this latest trip really pushed you closer
to knowing what you are doing and the heck with everybody else. After all
that's what PIC is all about, you are the one that makes the call.
--------
kitfoxmike
model IV, 1200
speedster
912ul
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| Subject: | More on Rotax 582 oil |
I'll give it a try:
Noel
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
> davef@cfisher.com
> Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 3:01 PM
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: More on Rotax 582 oil
>
>
>
> Deke,
>
> I think what is confusing on Pennzoil is they call it Outdoor
> brand now but
> there is definatly a difference between the Air-cooled and
> outboard oils.
> It shows in the ratings on their site as I posted earlier.
>
> Air-cooled - API- TC - This is what Rotax calls for .
> Outboard - TC W3 - This it NOT what Rotax recomends
>
> http://www.rotax-aircraft-engines.com/pdf/dokus/d04085.pdf
> go to section 10.2.3
> It calls for API-TC -sorry cannot copy and paste it .
>
>
> Dave
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "fox5flyer" <fox5flyer@idealwifi.net>
> To: "Kitfox List" <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 1:02 PM
> Subject: Kitfox-List: More on Rotax 582 oil
>
>
> <fox5flyer@idealwifi.net>
> >
> > Everyone has an opinion and I'm sure most have some
> validity. Personally,
> > I
> > believe any good quality 2 stroke oil will probably do a
> fine job, but
> > here
> > is a very good independent test that was done some years
> ago and enough
> > to convince me so I used it to put about 400 hours on my
> 582 before I sold
> > it. At 500 hours it was torn down and I was told that it
> was still like
> > new. In my original post I mistakenly used the word
> "Outboard" from
> > memory
> > so disregard that part.
> > Deke
> >
> > http://www.ultralightnews.com/features/oiltest.htm
> >
> >> Pennzoil ==> THIS IS the only product ithink they have
> that is good for
> >> Rotax 582s.
> >> http://www.pennzoil.com/products/outdoor/2cycle_aircooled.html
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
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| Subject: | My "Florida" trip...off topic |
I was at the hangar working one day when I heard a Cuban airliner arrive
into Gander Airspace. With his incredibly broken English he made his
intention to land for fuel known. The FSS guy in the tower asked if he had
a transponder on board.
The answer was," No transponder, Farm equipment only!"
Gander has a Seaplane base a stones throw from the end of 31...
Interestingly enough called "Deadmans Pond" This is the airspace which I
occasionally fly into in my Kitfox Keeping your eyes open and the radio
tuned to ATC is a definite requirement in that location!
Noel
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
> Michel Verheughe
> Sent: Sunday, April 22, 2007 5:29 PM
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: My "Florida" trip...off topic
>
>
>
> On Apr 22, 2007, at 3:25 AM, Lynn Matteson wrote:
> > Later, on the return trip, I did tune into ATC frequency,
> so I could
> > hear first-hand the directions.
>
> I think it was a wise decision, Lynn. With only 250 hours as
> a pilot, I
> have little advice to give anyone. But I have nearly a life time with
> the maritime GOC radio license and have been for years a keen radio
> amateur, using all kind of communications. The "fear of the
> microphone"
> (and the keyer when you start Morse) is quite common. You pretty
> quickly overcome it.
> My advice to anyone is: Talk to ATC and fly with a flight plan for
> three reasons: safety, safety and safety. If you want, put
> "student" in
> the Remarks field of your flight plan. If you don't understand, say:
> "say again" as many times as needed. Radio communication
> courtesy says
> that no one should send faster than what is understood from the other
> side.
> In Norway, English is the ATC language. Some pilots don't feel too
> comfortable with the English vocabulary. If not understanding, pilots
> are advised to talk Norwegian, or anything else that could make sure
> instructions are understood for the three above-mentioned reasons.
> As a pilot, you only have to remember two things: Read-back and your
> callsign. Incidentally, I have heard a SAS training tape (actually a
> cockpit voice recording) from an approach to O'Hare. Scary! But then,
> we seldom dwell in those airspaces with our Kitfoxes.
>
> ... Here is a good one from Rod Machado's book:
> A pilot visits for the first time an airfield:
> Tower: - "Do you have information Hotel?"
> Pilot: - "Nah, I intend to stay with some friends!"
>
> ... ;-)
>
> Cheers,
> Michel
>
> do not archive
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: 582 Oil leak? |
Dave:
The only Pennzoil available around here is the four stroke automotive stuff.
I the Penz available in your neck of the woods?
The local Bombardier dealership now has bulk XPS mineral which is why I've
decided to change.
Noel
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
> davef@cfisher.com
> Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 9:59 AM
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: More on Rotax 582 oil Re: Kitfox-List: 582 Oil leak?
>
>
>
> Deke, I just dida search and found some information for you.
> Pennzoil ==> THIS IS the only product ithink they have that
> is good for
> Rotax 582s.
> http://www.pennzoil.com/products/outdoor/2cycle_aircooled.html
>
> I buy mine bulk from Rotax == XPS mineral oil and here is
> what plugs look
> like after 152 hours in my 582 >
> http://www.cfisher.com/152hournkg.html
> I am Very happy with this oil and regular gas. If you use
> AVGAS 100LL you
> would not get this life from plugs plus you will risk
> contaminating your
> bearings with lead. Occasional use would be ok but not continual .
>
> Dave
>
>
> http://www.rotaxservice.com/rotax_tips/rotax_feed2.htm
> 2-stroke oil specifications
>
> Rotax recommends using a "super" two-stroke oil which corresponds to
> ASTM/CEC standards and/or API-TC classification. It is also
> essential to
> choose an oil which is designed for an air cooled engine even
> if you own a
> liquid cooled engine.
>
> 2-stroke oil type
>
> For most Canadian users a mineral or semi synthetic oil is
> recommended.
>
> Synthetic oil should only be used by those who operate their
> engine nearly
> every day. Even when shut down, air is constantly circulating
> through a
> 2-stroke engine; it is never sealed like a 4-stroke engine.
> Even though it
> has excellent lubricating properties, a synthetic oil does
> not effectively
> protect a stopped 2-stroke engine against corrosion: it tends
> to attract
> moisture and will run off the parts rather than leave a
> protective coating.
>
> To be avoided:
>
> a.. Oils whose label do not bear the above mentioned required
> specifications
> b.. Oils primarily designed for outboard 2-stroke engines
> c.. Mixing ratios other than 50:1
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "fox5flyer" <fox5flyer@idealwifi.net>
> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 8:52 AM
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: 582 Oil leak?
>
>
> <fox5flyer@idealwifi.net>
> >
> > As I recall, Pennzoil Outboard Premium Air-cooled is the
> recommended oil
> > for
> > the Rotax 582.
> > Deke
> >
> >>
> >> I run Bombardier Mineral oil in injection and it is amber
> coloured.
> >> In RV bottle I use Castrol super 2 stroke which is blue
> so I can see the
> >> level easier.
> >> Both of these oils are API-TC rated which is what is
> reco'd for 582s.
> > Don't
> >> be using outboard motor oil.
> >>
> >> Maybe try changing one oil so you can see which one it is
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: More on Rotax 582 oil Re: 582 Oil leak? |
> The only Pennzoil available around here is the four stroke automotive stuff.
> I the Penz available in your neck of the woods?
Noel, check out the online oil store, $28 something USD for a case of 24 16 ouncers
of penzoil air cooled two cycle oil. I don't think you can beat the price.
See, it was a good idea to bring back the oil topic.
http://oil-store.com/
Tom Jones, Classic 4, 503, warp, phase one 4.5 hrs, Ellensburg, WA
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| Subject: | Irons for covering |
I'm in the covering stage on my kitfox 2 with the Stitts Dacron 1.7 oz. and I'm
having trouble finding the right Iron, the first one only went up to 325 took
it back the next one a black and Decker goes from 223 to 253 and 331 to
355 at one setting is there a good one out there I can calibrate closer or is
it necessary I have a digital deep fryer thermometer seem to be accurate in
boiling water. Anyone know?
Jerry Evans
kitfox 555
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| Subject: | Re: 582 Oil leak? |
Hello Jack,
When I had my 582 in my kitfox before my 912 UL, the very same
thing happen'd. Oil leak coming fom somewhere, traced it to the Air
filter,
and it was saturated, Rotory valve tank still full, not coming from
there, and
i remembered that when installing a new air filter, you don't have to
pre-oil
as it will get lubricated from the Carburators. I suspose it
accumalates after
each shut down from unburned oil and gas mixture. It happernd twice in
four years to me. I wouldn't worry about it.
David
----- Original Message -----
From: Jim_and_Lucy Chuk
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, April 22, 2007 8:16 PM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: 582 Oil leak?
<thesupe@hotmail.com>
A friend of mine has a 582 on a powered parachute that did the same
thing.
It was a rotary valve shaft seal leaking. Jim
>From: Jack L Bell <jack@comconn.com>
>To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Kitfox-List: 582 Oil leak?
>Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2007 14:24:34 -0500 (CDT)
>
>
>
>I hadn't flown my fox in a bit, and on visiting the hangar,
>noted a bit of oil under the plane. Something new?
>
>It appears as though the 2 cycle oil is making it through the
>rear carb, soaking the air filter, and dripping on through.
>
>This is a gray head, ~160 hours. No sign of oil in the coolant,
>and the oil pump bottle is right on the mark. It's not a lot of oil,
>maybe a 1/2 oz. or so, but I'd rather be safe than sorry.
>
>It's been a month since I flew her, and that's the longest it's
>ever been.. has anyone seen this before?
>
>Thanks,
>
>-Jack
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Classic IV wing modsClassic IV wing mods |
Hey Dacha,
I understand supporting the wing with a step ladder or anything
that will do the job, but removing the jury strut from the main strut,
what holds the main strut in place, a third person ?
Dafox
----- Original Message -----
From: Dacha
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, April 21, 2007 1:54 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Classic IV wing modsClassic IV wing mods
Not much rocket science here. Pulled the wings off of a Kitfox4. Just
had to
remove fuel lines,elect. wires and such. First put a ladder or such to
hold
the wings in somewhat a safe position. Then remove the jury strut,
making
sure that fuel tanks are empty for weight. Then the bolts on the wing
spar.
Done deal.
LeRoy
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| Subject: | Re: Classic IV wing modsClassic IV wing mods |
David,
You only have to remove the jury strut if you can't store the wings with the
lift struts etc. attached. For the two or three months you mention, it
would be nice to store them in one piece then the reattachment would be a
simple job. If you don't have the room to store them that way and have to
remove the lift struts, Make some sort of spacer that will give the
dimension between the lift strut attach bracket and the aft wing spar. Mark
them right and left side. This way when you reattach the jury struts you
can use the spacer to hold everything in allignment. I think I used a
couple of pieces of pvc pipe cut the right lengths.
Lowell
----- Original Message -----
From: "david yeamans" <dafox@ckt.net>
Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 7:57 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Classic IV wing modsClassic IV wing mods
Hey Dacha,
I understand supporting the wing with a step ladder or anything
that will do the job, but removing the jury strut from the main strut,
what holds the main strut in place, a third person ?
Dafox
----- Original Message -----
From: Dacha
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, April 21, 2007 1:54 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Classic IV wing modsClassic IV wing mods
Not much rocket science here. Pulled the wings off of a Kitfox4. Just had
to
remove fuel lines,elect. wires and such. First put a ladder or such to
hold
the wings in somewhat a safe position. Then remove the jury strut, making
sure that fuel tanks are empty for weight. Then the bolts on the wing
spar.
Done deal.
LeRoy
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| Subject: | Re: Classic IV wing modsClassic IV wing mods |
At 07:57 PM 4/23/2007, you wrote:
>I understand supporting the wing with a step ladder or anything
>that will do the job, but removing the jury strut from the main strut,
>what holds the main strut in place, a third person ?
I assume you meant to post this to the entire list, though the
solicitation was personal. When I removed my wings I left the struts
and jury struts on the wings when I removed them. Once I set the wing
on saw-horses in the garage I supported the main strut from the
rafters while I removed the jury, then removed the main strut.
Installation was the reverse.
Guy Buchanan
San Diego, CA
K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 100% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar.
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At 04:30 PM 4/23/2007, you wrote:
>Don't worry too much about your radio "technique" The important thing is to
>be on the right frequency listening to the correct information. That's what
>it's all about.
I'm going to encourage Lynn to work hard on his technique, because
I've found it makes a big difference for the following reasons:
1. Most importantly it makes a difference in how ATC and control
towers handle you. If your technique is spot on you get many more
benefits than if it's even a little off. If you're really pedantic
you can get parked in the boonies, or sent around airspace, or
extended downwind, or denied flight following, or any number of other
nuisances.
2. When at a busy field it is very easy for frequencies to get bogged
by slow, incomplete transmissions. At non-towered fields this can get
worse than frustrating, it can get quite dangerous as location calls
start getting missed or simply ignored. At towered fields it just
means fewer people get to operate.
3. Finally, it's really easy to have good technique. Learn a few
simple rules and practice.
Guy Buchanan
San Diego, CA
K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 100% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar.
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| Subject: | Re: Irons for covering |
I got my iron information from Jim Miller at Aircraft Technical
Support, in Columbus, Ohio, a Polyfiber dealer, and EAA workshop
presenter. Their number is 1-877-877-3334. I can't recall what Jim
told me about the model numbers of the various Black and Decker
irons, but the one I got fit within the models he suggested. It is
Model S220. He said not to get the automatic temperature controlled
models. Get the cheaper manual control models. Yes, calibration is
necessary. I spent about three hours calibrating mine. The
temperature will go up to a certain point and then drop. I used the
mercury (I think) thermometer that Polyfiber sells for about $12, but
also used a digital thermometer in conjunction with the mercury
thermometer. Both were imbedded into a blob of Silicone Heat Sink
Compound on the base of the iron. I won't go into the whole
calibrating process, but I watched the digital numbers go up to a
certain point, wrote them down, and watched as the numbers dropped
and recorded the lowest number. I did this through 5 cycles of the
iron's temperature fluctuations, and averaged the readings, then
called that number the for that particular setting. I had previously
made 11 marks around the temperature control dial. I did this
watching of each rise and fall of temperatures for each of the 11
positions of control setting, until I had 11 heat ranges for my iron.
(imagine how upset I was when one iron went belly up and I had to buy
another and do it all over again) I now had 11 choices for setting
the heats: my 11 different choices were: 215, 222, 228, 230,238, 256,
266, 290, 312, 337, and 358.
You mentioned one went up to only 325...that would have been enough,
I think. I seem to recall I only had to go to 312 for complete
tightening. Jim told me the more recent irons just don't hold temps
all that accurately. You have to realize that there will be a range
of temps that the iron will fluctuate around, and do your work around
these ranges. As I recall, the Kitfox manual says to stop tightening
when the structure starts to distort...and it will, especially the
fuselage longerons. Have you got the Polyfiber covering manual? If
not, get it. Jim will answer any and all questions. He and wife Dondi
are valuable assets to the homebuilding community, and are glad to help.
Lynn
Kitfox IV Speedster...Jabiru 2200
On Apr 23, 2007, at 10:15 PM, jerry evans wrote:
> I'm in the covering stage on my kitfox 2 with the Stitts Dacron 1.7
> oz. and I'm having trouble finding the right Iron, the first one
> only went up to 325 took it back the next one a black and
> Decker goes from 223 to 253 and 331 to 355 at one setting is
> there a good one out there I can calibrate closer or is it
> necessary I have a digital deep fryer thermometer seem to be
> accurate in boiling water. Anyone know?
>
> Jerry Evans
> kitfox 555 _-
> www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List _-
> ===========================================================
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| Subject: | Re: My "Florida" trip...off topic |
Sorry I got a bit testy, Mike. I've had a bit of a day helping drag
an Aeronca Champ off a fuel pump at the airstrip where I got some
instruction. We had to drag the plane off the flattened pump, put it
inside the hangar and dismantle the wings for trailering it home. If
course we first had to wait for the FAA boys to come and give it
their blessing before we could touch it. The pilot had hand propped
it and had the throttle set too high, it fired, and started dragging
him around in a circle, ran over him breaking his wrist, and ended up
against a hangar with collapsed gear and bent prop. All day all I
could think of was having to do that with my baby down in Tennessee,
probably because the wind was blowing here just like down there all day.
I think the problem with instruction today is that the hours really
don't mean anything if all the bases haven't been covered. I have had
11 instructors in the 3 flight schools (and 2 private instructors)
that I have attended. And the last instructor, a private one, taught
me more than the others combined. He said the others only made my
feet lazy. Of course that's because he was teaching me in my Kitfox,
and all the others except for the J4 and Cessna 180 guys ( a total of
5 hours) were nosewheel people. It seems to me that there is no
actual curriculum, and the instructors teach what they know best, or
favor that topic. That's been my findings around here (Lower Michigan
and down at St. Charles, MO). It's probably different at other
locations.
Lynn
Kitfox IV Speedster...Jabiru 2200
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On Apr 23, 2007, at 8:43 PM, kitfoxmike wrote:
> <customtrans@qwest.net>
>
> Sorry lynn,
> forgot the e. quite the trip. A real hair raiser. What I meant
> by the 25 hrs sport pilot is just that, for the innitial sport
> pilot requirements there isn't much in it. When I did my PPL I
> learned in Class C. I always flew when the traffic was at it's
> worse, the radio was hard to do, in fact when I fly class C I
> concider the radio half the battle. I know people that got their
> PPL and know half what I learned. Sounds like this latest trip
> really pushed you closer to knowing what you are doing and the heck
> with everybody else. After all that's what PIC is all about, you
> are the one that makes the call.
>
> --------
> kitfoxmike
> model IV, 1200
> speedster
> 912ul
> Do not archive
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