---------------------------------------------------------- Kitfox-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Tue 04/24/07: 42 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 02:36 AM - Aviation radio telephony WAS:: "Florida" Trip (Michel Verheughe) 2. 03:54 AM - Re: More on Rotax 582 oil Re: 582 Oil leak? (Dave G.) 3. 05:32 AM - Answer for Noel Re: 582 Oil leak? () 4. 05:34 AM - Re: More on Rotax 582 oil Re: 582 Oil leak? () 5. 06:52 AM - tire valve stem extentions for wheel pants? (Rexinator) 6. 07:03 AM - Re: My "Florida" trip...off topic (kitfoxmike) 7. 07:42 AM - Re: "Florida" Trip (kitfoxmike) 8. 07:58 AM - Re: My "Florida" trip...off topic (wingnut) 9. 08:14 AM - Re: Re: My "Florida" trip...off topic () 10. 09:10 AM - Re: "Florida" Trip (kitfoxmike) 11. 09:11 AM - Re: Irons for covering (xfire) 12. 09:13 AM - Re: "Florida" Trip (kitfoxmike) 13. 09:15 AM - Re: "Florida" Trip (kitfoxmike) 14. 09:22 AM - Re: My "Florida" trip...off topic (xfire) 15. 09:33 AM - Check your Gear legs (xfire) 16. 10:30 AM - Re: My "Florida" trip...off topic (kitfoxmike) 17. 10:36 AM - Re: Check your Gear legs (kitfoxmike) 18. 12:48 PM - Brake line fittings (The Ericksons) 19. 01:41 PM - Re: "Florida" Trip (Lynn Matteson) 20. 01:46 PM - Re: tire valve stem extentions for wheel pants? (Lynn Matteson) 21. 02:24 PM - Re: Re: My "Florida" trip...off topic (Lynn Matteson) 22. 02:28 PM - Re: My "Florida" trip...off topic (Bob) 23. 02:37 PM - Re: Re: Check your Gear legs (Lynn Matteson) 24. 02:43 PM - Re: Re: "Florida" Trip (Lynn Matteson) 25. 02:47 PM - Re: Brake line fittings (Bob) 26. 02:51 PM - Re: Check your Gear legs (Bob) 27. 03:00 PM - Re: Re: My "Florida" trip...off topic (Lynn Matteson) 28. 03:07 PM - Re: Re: "Florida" Trip (Lynn Matteson) 29. 03:07 PM - Re: "Florida" Trip (kitfoxmike) 30. 03:14 PM - Re: "Florida" Trip (kitfoxmike) 31. 03:43 PM - Re: Irons for covering (Noel Loveys) 32. 04:30 PM - Re: "Florida" Trip (Noel Loveys) 33. 05:20 PM - Re: "Florida" Trip (Guy Buchanan) 34. 05:20 PM - 582 Exhaust Ball Joints (Guy Buchanan) 35. 05:55 PM - Re: 582 Exhaust Ball Joints (Don Smythe) 36. 05:55 PM - Re: Re: "Florida" Trip (Lynn Matteson) 37. 05:59 PM - Re: Check your Gear legs (xfire) 38. 06:04 PM - Re: Irons for covering (Dan Billingsley) 39. 07:22 PM - Re: More on Rotax 582 oil Re: 582 Oil leak? (Gill Levesque) 40. 07:52 PM - Re: 582 Exhaust Ball Joints (Guy Buchanan) 41. 09:07 PM - Re: Irons for covering (Lowell Fitt) 42. 09:54 PM - Infrared temp measurements for Irons for covering (James Shumaker) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 02:36:40 AM PST US From: Michel Verheughe Subject: Kitfox-List: Aviation radio telephony WAS:: "Florida" Trip > From: Guy Buchanan [bnn@nethere.com] > 3. Finally, it's really easy to have good technique. Learn a few > simple rules and practice. I agree with you, Guy, but my point was: It is better to talk with a bad technique than risk an accident/incident. I know of too many examples of both aviation and maritime communications where ill fates could had been avoided if the person in command had communicated at an earlier stage. I think that Noel, who shares my maritime and ham experience, agrees with that. Cheers, Michel do not archive
________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 03:54:01 AM PST US From: "Dave G." Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: More on Rotax 582 oil Re: 582 Oil leak? Noel lives on the rock, that'll be very expensive oil after buying online from a foriegn country and having it shipped through customs (where it will be used as a footstool for two weeks) and on to NFLD. Do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Jones" Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 11:12 PM Subject: Kitfox-List: More on Rotax 582 oil Re: 582 Oil leak? > > >> The only Pennzoil available around here is the four stroke automotive >> stuff. >> I the Penz available in your neck of the woods? > > > Noel, check out the online oil store, $28 something USD for a case of 24 > 16 ouncers of penzoil air cooled two cycle oil. I don't think you can > beat the price. See, it was a good idea to bring back the oil topic. > > http://oil-store.com/ > > Tom Jones, Classic 4, 503, warp, phase one 4.5 hrs, Ellensburg, WA > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=108784#108784 > > > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 05:32:03 AM PST US From: Subject: Answer for Noel Re: Kitfox-List: 582 Oil leak? Noel yes it is . I use API TC rated oil in both...... I use castrol super 2 stroke in RV bottle so i can see it betterwithout taking off top cowl -it hard to see the amber coloured XPS oil in my Kitfox IV Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: "Noel Loveys" Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 7:36 PM Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: 582 Oil leak? > > Dave: > > I thought it was recommended to use the same oil in the RV as in the > injector pump. You are saying it really doesn't matter that much as long > as > both oils are API-TC rated. > > Noel > > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com >> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of >> davef@cfisher.com >> Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 8:15 AM >> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com >> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: 582 Oil leak? >> >> >> >> Jim , >> >> I run Bombardier Mineral oil in injection and it is amber coloured. >> In RV bottle I use Castrol super 2 stroke which is blue so I >> can see the >> level easier. >> Both of these oils are API-TC rated which is what is reco'd >> for 582s. Don't >> be using outboard motor oil. >> >> Maybe try changing one oil so you can see which one it is >> >> >> Dave >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Jack L Bell" >> To: >> Sent: Sunday, April 22, 2007 3:24 PM >> Subject: Kitfox-List: 582 Oil leak? >> >> >> > >> > >> > I hadn't flown my fox in a bit, and on visiting the hangar, >> > noted a bit of oil under the plane. Something new? >> > >> > It appears as though the 2 cycle oil is making it through the >> > rear carb, soaking the air filter, and dripping on through. >> > >> > This is a gray head, ~160 hours. No sign of oil in the coolant, >> > and the oil pump bottle is right on the mark. It's not a lot of oil, >> > maybe a 1/2 oz. or so, but I'd rather be safe than sorry. >> > >> > It's been a month since I flew her, and that's the longest it's >> > ever been.. has anyone seen this before? >> > >> > Thanks, >> > >> > -Jack >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 05:34:44 AM PST US From: Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: More on Rotax 582 oil Re: 582 Oil leak? Tom, i checked the site 28$ plus about $12 to ship so 40$ for USA Shippping is additional 50% nearly of product cost ....... geez someone must of said shhhhh aviation :) I doubt Canada I could get shipped for that. We pay for Castrol Super 2 stroke about 5$ CDN per litre you are paying about 4$ US so we pretty close I Think except we get ours at a local outlet. Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Jones" Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 10:12 PM Subject: Kitfox-List: More on Rotax 582 oil Re: 582 Oil leak? > > >> The only Pennzoil available around here is the four stroke automotive >> stuff. >> I the Penz available in your neck of the woods? > > > Noel, check out the online oil store, $28 something USD for a case of 24 > 16 ouncers of penzoil air cooled two cycle oil. I don't think you can > beat the price. See, it was a good idea to bring back the oil topic. > > http://oil-store.com/ > > Tom Jones, Classic 4, 503, warp, phase one 4.5 hrs, Ellensburg, WA > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=108784#108784 > > > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 06:52:10 AM PST US From: Rexinator Subject: Kitfox-List: tire valve stem extentions for wheel pants? Seems I remember someone mentioning they needed to find a tube with the longer extended valve stem for use with wheel pants. I just happened to see these nifty items and thought I would pass the link along for general interest. http://www.dual-star.com/index2/Equipment/valve_stem_extensions41.htm Rex Hefferan SE Colorado / K-II / 582-C / still waiting repairs ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 07:03:21 AM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: My "Florida" trip...off topic From: "kitfoxmike" I went through 3 instructors myself, with the last one of course being the best. He was not very old, supprisingly. But, I remember one flight, it was for night cross country, he handed me a little flash light and he had one for himself, he came out and said that he wanted me to fly a little hood time, OK, whatever, and he gave me different vectors to fly, at the time we were about 45 miles out. Then he said take the hood off and as soon as I did that, he reached over and turned all power off. What an experience, we were also in an area where there where no lights on the ground, good and dark. Then he said take us home. Yup, we made it. I happened to remember the heading we were on before all happened, that got me close. What you said about the guy proping his engine had to be a sight, going around in circles draging him. Hum, I bet he felt good and stupid. I read somewhere that it is a 180 day suppension for hand proping without the plane properly tide down. I think the FAA will be after him for that one. -------- kitfoxmike model IV, 1200 speedster 912ul Do not archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=108887#108887 ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 07:42:52 AM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: "Florida" Trip From: "kitfoxmike" This is cool stuff. When I flew over to arlington last year(airshow in washington state) I was watching the weather like a hawk. I didn't like what I saw, I had the info on computer for the passes and all the airports along the way. If you go to the national weather site you can acces airports that have weather reporting, very cool stuff. In fact the state has cameras set up in most the passes, I was able to see first hand what those looked like. When things cleared, by friday, me and the wife jumped in the plane and set off. Now for pilotage. I have the IQ3600a and will say this unit is amazing. But I don't like only one option, so I had an old gps one of the first small garmin no III something like that, I had behind our head with fresh batteries for a back up. I had current charts for the route and a washington state ground map. As I was flying the wife had both the other maps and following our progress while I flew the plane and kept an eye on the GPS and the charts. When I fly I go IFR(i fly roads, railroad tracks, rivers) That's where the ground maps come in, I want to know what rivers, roads are under me, the main roads are on the GPS, but I want to make sure that I'm following the proper stuff. Dead reckoning is cool but can be pretty tough sometimes, but will get you out of a pickle. Main thing is, you need to have all the options open and available to you. Don't rely on luck, go on skill. My instructor once told me that when you first start out you have a big bag of luck, what you need to do is replace that luck with experience. Learn what you can, when you can, and practice, practice, practice. Replace that luck in the bag with experience. -------- kitfoxmike model IV, 1200 speedster 912ul Do not archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=108902#108902 ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 07:58:48 AM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: My "Florida" trip...off topic From: "wingnut" Lynn, I just wanted to add that I think you're doing fine. You realized your mistake, you got the plane down safely in a bad situation and you prepaired better for your next flight. Now you're a better pilot for the experience. I hope that when I make my first mistake that I will handle it as well. Luis, do not archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=108910#108910 ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 08:14:33 AM PST US From: Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: My "Florida" trip...off topic Heck --well said. I have talked to Lynn a few times and he is a real kitfox junkie like a few others I know - myself included that log 150 to 250 Kitfox hours a year at least. Real time training sure helps and X country time sure helps. If anyone is interested I would suggest to get a wide range of flying done and include everything possible. Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: "wingnut" Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2007 10:58 AM Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: My "Florida" trip...off topic > > Lynn, I just wanted to add that I think you're doing fine. You realized > your mistake, you got the plane down safely in a bad situation and you > prepaired better for your next flight. Now you're a better pilot for the > experience. I hope that when I make my first mistake that I will handle it > as well. > > Luis, > do not archive > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=108910#108910 > > > ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 09:10:38 AM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: "Florida" Trip From: "kitfoxmike" I hope this comes through right, but here are some links for weather at local airports and most important AOPA's flight planner, very cool. The flight planner: for the airport weather, this one is for Osh. The easiest way to get your airport or one close to you is at the end of the tag replace the KOSH with yours, I think you need to use caps. like maybe this one in michigan: Like I wrote, hope the url's came out right. -------- kitfoxmike model IV, 1200 speedster 912ul Do not archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=108927#108927 ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 09:11:48 AM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Irons for covering From: "xfire" I woould be VERY careful. I had to recover the rudder and elevator due to trying to bring it up to the full 350. If you read the manual (for stits covering), it states that you should not go over 250 on the wing or you will pull the fabric off the undercamber. The tubes in the KF are much smaller than most "certified" aircraft and you will buckle them if you try for the full tension. About 275 was the most I could go before the tubes started to pull in. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=108928#108928 ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 09:13:55 AM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: "Florida" Trip From: "kitfoxmike" Woops, how did I get that one. try this one: -------- kitfoxmike model IV, 1200 speedster 912ul Do not archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=108929#108929 ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 09:15:56 AM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: "Florida" Trip From: "kitfoxmike" KGDW is an airport, just not supported I guess. -------- kitfoxmike model IV, 1200 speedster 912ul Do not archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=108931#108931 ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 09:22:31 AM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: My "Florida" trip...off topic From: "xfire" I too went though many instructors in my initial training then for Instument training. All but one were by the book flight school goobers. I had one who said, I know who you are, who your flying buddies are and the type of flying you will be doing, the FAA says I have to teach you blah blah blah, I say horse s_ _t, I will teach you what you need to stay alive and keep the plane in as large of a piece as possible. We need more of those kind of guys. Sounds like you learned a very valuble lesson and are headed in the right direction to avoid it again. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=108933#108933 ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 09:33:41 AM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Check your Gear legs From: "xfire" Well yesterday started off great. I went out to the airport with my brother and changed out the radiator and put a shroud on it so he can control the airflow and regulate the temp. We did a runup and burped the system then off we went. after shotting a few off airport landings we headed over to a friends airstrip. The initial touchdown was not super smoothe, but nothing to note either. My brother hollers into the headset that the left gear just folded and to hang on its gonna be a rough one.. He hit the mags and held in full right aileron to hold the left side off as long as possible. I see the windshield fill full of dirt then we settle back down right side up. Shut off gas, made sure ELT was not activated then climb out ( I love the 4 point harness..much better than the single shoulder strap in my pacer when it went in). we pick up on the strut, pull the left gear back under it and tie it off with a short piece of rope then push it off the strip. Turns out, the gear leg had been broken about 1/2 was through for some time as the crack was nice and rusty and the metal was nice and rounded where it had been rubbing and pounding together. This is right where the bungies wrap around the gear leg. I will get a pic of it later on and post it up so you can see the break. I would pull your bungies and get the legs checked out before you get the oprotunity to elevate your heart rate and practice your fiberglassing skills. The damage to the plane was cracked both fiberglass wingtips, got 2 blades off the IVO and cracked up the lower cowling. The new radiator and shroud took a good beating but can be repaired and the fuse gets a bit of fabric work to get rid of the new bomb bay hatch the gear leg and wheel installed in it. More later.... Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=108935#108935 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/dsc06038_641.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/dsc06037_192.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/dsc06034_144.jpg ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 10:30:49 AM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: My "Florida" trip...off topic From: "kitfoxmike" I'm one of those guys that fly a bunch every year. Last year I hit over 250 hrs. This year so far I've got 105 flights and 939 landings(touch goes), I remember my flight training like it was yesterday, a whole lot of fun. I remember one instructor that was teaching me, he did the classic power off practice for engine out. Being in the boonies and finding a nice area I went down for simulated landing, the instructor called go around. I did, I went around this tree, that tree, needless to say he turned white and started screeming go around, I said, I am, this tree and that tree. I gave up and pulled up and resumed the flight, sure scared the s_ _ t out of him. -------- kitfoxmike model IV, 1200 speedster 912ul Do not archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=108955#108955 ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 10:36:45 AM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Check your Gear legs From: "kitfoxmike" Now that this has happened concider the grove gear, a little heavier, but it sure handles the rough landings. I've landed where the plane flat out stalled 10ft off the runway and had a solid landing on the mains, no bounce, with no damage what so ever to the landing gear, cool stuff. Glad you made out like you did on the landing. I've had my landing gear break on the tube gear simular to yours, not fun. -------- kitfoxmike model IV, 1200 speedster 912ul Do not archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=108957#108957 ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 12:48:25 PM PST US From: "The Ericksons" Subject: Kitfox-List: Brake line fittings Can I use aluminum AN fittings with steel hose ends? I am planning on using Earl's Speed-Flex hose with Speed-Seal hose ends on my Avid Mark IV with Grove gear and Matco brakes. Will there be corrosion from the mating of dissimilar metals? Thanks. ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 01:41:02 PM PST US From: Lynn Matteson Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: "Florida" Trip Many thanks, John, for all the tips...I printed your message out, but forgot to thank you. I did indeed learn pilotage, and enjoy using it, because I actually love doing the math, writing down the est. times, actual time as I cross them, etc. I find it gives me something to keep my mind on rather than just staring at the little airplane on the screen which is not seeming to go anywhere...unless I have a 60-70 mph tailwind! Lynn do not archive On Apr 23, 2007, at 2:53 AM, John Allen wrote: > > Re > Lynn Matteson > Subject: Kitfox-List: My "Florida" trip > Pilotage > Radio Use > Turbulence > Crosswinds ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 01:46:27 PM PST US From: Lynn Matteson Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: tire valve stem extentions for wheel pants? I was at least one that mentioned them, Rex, and thanks for posting. I'll check them out. Lynn do not archive On Apr 24, 2007, at 9:52 AM, Rexinator wrote: > > Seems I remember someone mentioning they needed to find a tube with > the longer extended valve stem for use with wheel pants. I just > happened to see these nifty items and thought I would pass the link > along for general interest. > > http://www.dual-star.com/index2/Equipment/valve_stem_extensions41.htm > > Rex Hefferan > SE Colorado / K-II / 582-C / still waiting repairs > > ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 02:24:07 PM PST US From: Lynn Matteson Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: My "Florida" trip...off topic Surprisingly enough, they came, spent about an hour with him, taking down all sorts of notes, then made a call to the NTSB who released the plane to him. I was told that when the "incident" (FAA's description) happened, the NTSB "owned" the plane, and when all the facts were recorded, it was then given back to him. I may not have this correct in the words used, but essentially that's the chain of command. Also, the day that the incident happened, the local police came out and administered a breath test...he passed...told me later he hadn't had a drink in several days. Like you said though, Mike, he probably hasn't heard the last of it from the FAA. I've got to ask my flight instructor to clarify this but it's my understanding that on this plane (Aeronca Champ) you can apply the brakes and wedge a block somewhere to hold the brakes on. I only caught part of the conversation, and don't know whether he did this or if it was just a good idea. It's possible that he did this and one brake did not hold as well. A point of interest to me was that my flight instructor (Brian) who was heading up the "rescue mission" had us pop the cowls and remove all the spark plug wires before doing anything else. I was at his place and we loaded up tools, wing racks, old sofa cushions, a large bucket of straps, extra phillips screwdrivers (for insertion into the removed bolt holes), and a friend with a flatbed trailer pulled in, and off we went. We left at noon and were back at 5:30 pm, with about an hour trip each way. There were 5 of us working, and we got the thing de-winged, loaded up, back to the pilot's hangar and downloaded...everybody pitched in and the job went really fast. Brian had brought along an extra landing gear, and we installed that with hardware bolts for the journey home aboard the flatbed. He had thought of everything. I asked him how many times this scenario had played out in his lifetime (53 yrs), and he couldn't put a number on it. He's been at this flying thing since being a teenager hanging around B.D. Maule's factory near here in Napoleon, Michigan. (Now Moultrie, GA) Brian has seen it all, and told me "Your time's comin' ya know" I didn't want to hear that, and will do my best to prove him wrong...having to have my plane hauled back on a trailer, that is. Lynn do not archive On Apr 24, 2007, at 10:02 AM, kitfoxmike wrote: > > > I went through 3 instructors myself, with the last one of course > being the best. He was not very old, supprisingly. But, I remember > one flight, it was for night cross country, he handed me a little > flash light and he had one for himself, he came out and said that > he wanted me to fly a little hood time, OK, whatever, and he gave > me different vectors to fly, at the time we were about 45 miles > out. Then he said take the hood off and as soon as I did that, he > reached over and turned all power off. What an experience, we were > also in an area where there where no lights on the ground, good and > dark. Then he said take us home. Yup, we made it. I happened to > remember the heading we were on before all happened, that got me > close. > > What you said about the guy proping his engine had to be a sight, > going around in circles draging him. Hum, I bet he felt good and > stupid. I read somewhere that it is a 180 day suppension for hand > proping without the plane properly tide down. I think the FAA will > be after him for that one. > > -------- > kitfoxmike > model IV, 1200 > speedster > 912ul > Do not archive > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=108887#108887 > > ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 02:28:10 PM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: My "Florida" trip...off topic From: "Bob" Lynn - If you didn't get hurt, bent the plane, get lost, or violated, got all the way to KY and home, went through the windstorm, I'll echo Luis in a big congratulations. Within the bounds of always having a place to land, it's like McBean writes...It's not about how fast, it's about how fun! Bob ps- With respect to having trouble fnding an instructor, put it in this context: I dated a lot before finding a wife. :) do not archive. -------- Remember that internet advice may only be worth what you pay. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=109005#109005 ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 02:37:19 PM PST US From: Lynn Matteson Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Check your Gear legs Did I mention that I have the Grove gear, and I consider this is the one part (besides being in a Kitfox) that saved my bacon during my recent harsh landing? And thanks to this group, and mainly Rex from the Big Pond, I was informed about the Grove gear, bought one and haven't been sorry. My flight instructor also says that as much abuse as I put this through during my early hours is a testimony to the Grove gear. Lynn On Apr 24, 2007, at 1:35 PM, kitfoxmike wrote: > > > Now that this has happened concider the grove gear, a little > heavier, but it sure handles the rough landings. I've landed where > the plane flat out stalled 10ft off the runway and had a solid > landing on the mains, no bounce, with no damage what so ever to the > landing gear, cool stuff. Glad you made out like you did on the > landing. I've had my landing gear break on the tube gear simular > to yours, not fun. > > -------- > kitfoxmike > model IV, 1200 > speedster > 912ul > Do not archive > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=108957#108957 > > ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 02:43:15 PM PST US From: Lynn Matteson Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: "Florida" Trip Mike, none of the urls came through on the last two posts, or this one. Lynn do not archive On Apr 24, 2007, at 12:15 PM, kitfoxmike wrote: > > > KGDW is an airport, just not supported I guess. > > -------- > kitfoxmike > model IV, 1200 > speedster > 912ul > Do not archive > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=108931#108931 > > ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 02:47:02 PM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Brake line fittings From: "Bob" The mix happens. If they are mil-spec and not the China-cheapos that we see more of, the steel will be cad (or other) plated and the aluminum will be hard-anodized. As long as it's not a saltwater seaplane application and you actually look when doing preflight and annual inspections, you should be fine. Be careful not to tighten more than absolutely necessary as the steel threads can damage the aluminum ones. Bob -------- Remember that internet advice may only be worth what you pay. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=109010#109010 ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 02:51:08 PM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Check your Gear legs From: "Bob" Bummer, glad that you guys didn't go over and are OK. Due to the propstrike, call one of the Rotax shops for the latest tolerance on propshaft runout, as the tolerance is quite tight and important. Something like a half-thou, by memory. They also will have guidance on propstrike inspection for you. Bob -------- Remember that internet advice may only be worth what you pay. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=109011#109011 ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 03:00:24 PM PST US From: Lynn Matteson Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: My "Florida" trip...off topic Thanks, Bob...I failed to mention that during the return trip we stopped in Defiance, Ohio to get my buddy's x-ponder fixed, and I saw a sticker that said "God is my co-pilot", and I bought it. Probably a good sentiment, besides, I've read the book by Robert L. Scott, wasn't it? Flying Tigers.... I finally found the ideal instructor...one who loved my plane so much after he test flew it, that he taught me how to fly it so I wouldn't wad it up...payback will come someday, as I've been elected to paint his tractor in trade for the flight lessons. p.s. I've had nearly as many wives as instructors....but this one I'm not "divorcing" (p.s. in this case means "pre script) : ) Lynn do not archive On Apr 24, 2007, at 5:27 PM, Bob wrote: > > Lynn - If you didn't get hurt, bent the plane, get lost, or > violated, got all the way to KY and home, went through the > windstorm, I'll echo Luis in a big congratulations. Within the > bounds of always having a place to land, it's like McBean > writes...It's not about how fast, it's about how fun! > Bob > ps- With respect to having trouble fnding an instructor, put it in > this context: I dated a lot before finding a wife. :) > do not archive. > > -------- > Remember that internet advice may only be worth what you pay. > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=109005#109005 > > ________________________________ Message 28 ____________________________________ Time: 03:07:19 PM PST US From: Lynn Matteson Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: "Florida" Trip I've found that even on short trips around here, that I carry a road map of Michigan so I can see an insignificant road where someone lives, etc. And even on the charts, you really have to squint to see the VERY fine printing that is the road number on even major highways. Lynn do not archive On Apr 24, 2007, at 10:41 AM, kitfoxmike wrote: > ***snip***** > Main thing is, you need to have all the options open and available > to you. Don't rely on luck, go on skill. My instructor once told > me that when you first start out you have a big bag of luck, what > you need to do is replace that luck with experience. Learn what > you can, when you can, and practice, practice, practice. Replace > that luck in the bag with experience. > > -------- > kitfoxmike > model IV, 1200 > speedster > 912ul > Do not archive > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=108902#108902 > > ________________________________ Message 29 ____________________________________ Time: 03:07:41 PM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: "Florida" Trip From: "kitfoxmike" I use the web base system. Copy this url or click on it whatever works http://forums.matronics.com/viewforum.php?f=8 -------- kitfoxmike model IV, 1200 speedster 912ul Do not archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=109017#109017 ________________________________ Message 30 ____________________________________ Time: 03:14:24 PM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: "Florida" Trip From: "kitfoxmike" lynn I'm going to try and put the url's in a different way. try this: flight planner http://www.aopa.org/flight_planner/ osh weather: http://weather.noaa.gov/weather/current/KOSH.html If you replace the ending tag osh with another airport identifier like FPK in caps: http://weather.noaa.gov/weather/current/KFPK.html hope this worked -------- kitfoxmike model IV, 1200 speedster 912ul Do not archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=109021#109021 ________________________________ Message 31 ____________________________________ Time: 03:43:49 PM PST US From: "Noel Loveys" Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Irons for covering The Iron I use is a Proctor Silex. I can get a pretty accurate 350F with it. I don't use a thermometer. They can be hard to calibrate. Even testing using boiling water is not as reliable as you may expect. Water seldom, if ever, boils at 212F. Altitude and low pressure areas can have a pretty good boil going on at temperatures below 180F or as high as 220F. They say you can't cook an egg or make a good cup of tea in the Rockies for that reason. I think if I was to use a thermometer I would use a glass candy thermometer. The accuracy of these thermometers should be very high. Remember to cushion the thermometer in several layers of newsprint paper... After all they are glass. The down side is it will take several minutes to make a reading and then you will want to calibrate your iron to make resets a bit faster. I don't use a thermometer. I use a special wax sticks. A throw back to then I used to set the thermal back printing decks on photo paper processors. There are several wax sticks which melt at various exact temperatures and the ones marked 300F and 350F get regular usage. Once the 300 wax stick melts and the 350F stick barely melts I'm there. The melted wax wipes off easily, makes checking the temp easy and as a bonus the wax cleans the face of the iron. I can even tell the hot and cool parts of the iron's surface. I am, however, wondering if any one is using a laser thermometer and if so how is the accuracy. I think that may be an accurate alternative to the old candy thermometer. Noel -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of jerry evans Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 11:46 PM Subject: Kitfox-List: Irons for covering I'm in the covering stage on my kitfox 2 with the Stitts Dacron 1.7 oz. and I'm having trouble finding the right Iron, the first one only went up to 325 took it back the next one a black and Decker goes from 223 to 253 and 331 to 355 at one setting is there a good one out there I can calibrate closer or is it necessary I have a digital deep fryer thermometer seem to be accurate in boiling water. Anyone know? Jerry Evans kitfox 555 ________________________________ Message 32 ____________________________________ Time: 04:30:26 PM PST US From: "Noel Loveys" Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: "Florida" Trip Your points are well taken. The point I was trying to make, I believe Lynn has already come to, was that the first thing is to be on the frequency. Technique will come with practice.... Practice will come with being on the right frequency. Living so far down in the woods that I have to come out to hunt sometimes has it's advantages. Fewer low flying aircraft is one of them. Airports that are not racked and stacked is another. This is a great place to practice! Noel Loveys, RPP Campbellton, Newfoundland, Canada Kitfox Mod III-A, 582, B box, Ivo IFA Aerocet 1100s noelloveys@yahoo.ca > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of > Guy Buchanan > Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2007 1:32 AM > To: kitfox-list@matronics.com > Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: "Florida" Trip > > > > At 04:30 PM 4/23/2007, you wrote: > >Don't worry too much about your radio "technique" The > important thing is to > >be on the right frequency listening to the correct > information. That's what > >it's all about. > > I'm going to encourage Lynn to work hard on his technique, because > I've found it makes a big difference for the following reasons: > > 1. Most importantly it makes a difference in how ATC and control > towers handle you. If your technique is spot on you get many more > benefits than if it's even a little off. If you're really pedantic > you can get parked in the boonies, or sent around airspace, or > extended downwind, or denied flight following, or any number of other > nuisances. > > 2. When at a busy field it is very easy for frequencies to get bogged > by slow, incomplete transmissions. At non-towered fields this can get > worse than frustrating, it can get quite dangerous as location calls > start getting missed or simply ignored. At towered fields it just > means fewer people get to operate. > > 3. Finally, it's really easy to have good technique. Learn a few > simple rules and practice. > > > Guy Buchanan > San Diego, CA > K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 100% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar. > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 33 ____________________________________ Time: 05:20:24 PM PST US From: Guy Buchanan Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: "Florida" Trip At 04:29 PM 4/24/2007, you wrote: >This is a great place to >practice! > >Noel Loveys, RPP >Campbellton, Newfoundland, Canada >Kitfox Mod III-A, 582, B box, Ivo IFA >Aerocet 1100s >noelloveys@yahoo.ca Thank you Noel, and thank you to everyone else who modified their signatures to include their Kitfox information. Guy Buchanan, Kitfox List Moderator San Diego, CA K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 100% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar. ________________________________ Message 34 ____________________________________ Time: 05:20:24 PM PST US From: Guy Buchanan Subject: Kitfox-List: 582 Exhaust Ball Joints All, I'm looking for good ideas on how to seal the 582 exhaust ball joints. I've used copper anti-seize in the past but it just blows out. (My joints don't fit very well for some reason.) Today I re-worked the joints to fit better but I thought there might be some good ideas out there as to how to seal them while leaving them flexible. (I had an idea of brazing them together, then knocking out the male piece, leaving a perfect fitting bronze bushing, but I haven't tried it yet.) Guy Buchanan San Diego, CA K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 100% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar. ________________________________ Message 35 ____________________________________ Time: 05:55:47 PM PST US From: "Don Smythe" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: 582 Exhaust Ball Joints Guy, Just out of curiosity, what makes you think they are not sealing good enough? Don Smythe Classic IV w/582 Newport News, Va. Do Not Archive ----- Original Message ----- From: "Guy Buchanan" Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2007 8:09 PM Subject: Kitfox-List: 582 Exhaust Ball Joints > > All, > I'm looking for good ideas on how to seal the 582 exhaust ball > joints. I've used copper anti-seize in the past but it just blows out. (My > joints don't fit very well for some reason.) Today I re-worked the joints > to fit better but I thought there might be some good ideas out there as to > how to seal them while leaving them flexible. (I had an idea of brazing > them together, then knocking out the male piece, leaving a perfect fitting > bronze bushing, but I haven't tried it yet.) > > > Guy Buchanan > San Diego, CA > K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 100% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar. > > > ________________________________ Message 36 ____________________________________ Time: 05:55:47 PM PST US From: Lynn Matteson Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: "Florida" Trip Yup, this time they came through loud and clear...thanks, I'll check them out. Lynn On Apr 24, 2007, at 6:14 PM, kitfoxmike wrote: > > > lynn I'm going to try and put the url's in a different way. try this: > > flight planner > http://www.aopa.org/flight_planner/ > > osh weather: > http://weather.noaa.gov/weather/current/KOSH.html > > If you replace the ending tag osh with another airport identifier > like FPK in caps: > > http://weather.noaa.gov/weather/current/KFPK.html > > hope this worked > > -------- > kitfoxmike > model IV, 1200 > speedster > 912ul > Do not archive > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=109021#109021 > > ________________________________ Message 37 ____________________________________ Time: 05:59:14 PM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Check your Gear legs From: "xfire" engine was shut down when the prop hit and it has a clutch, so there is no direct drive. He will check the runout on the crank just to make sure though. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=109066#109066 ________________________________ Message 38 ____________________________________ Time: 06:04:18 PM PST US From: Dan Billingsley Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Irons for covering One thing I have found that will vary temp settings is the extension chord used. You should use the same chord that you calibrated with. I tried using a 50' chord after I calibrated with a 25'...it was off a bit. Also, pay attention to other devices that are being used on the same circuit. If the radio was on and a drop light was being used when you calibrate...yup...better turn em on when you use the iron on your plane. FWIW Dan Billingsley Mesa, AZ N314DW / KF-IV / 912S still building http://www.azshowersolutions.com/Kitfox1.html Noel Loveys wrote: The Iron I use is a Proctor Silex. I can get a pretty accurate 350F with it. I don't use a thermometer. They can be hard to calibrate. Even testing using boiling water is not as reliable as you may expect. Water seldom, if ever, boils at 212F. Altitude and low pressure areas can have a pretty good boil going on at temperatures below 180F or as high as 220F. They say you can't cook an egg or make a good cup of tea in the Rockies for that reason. I think if I was to use a thermometer I would use a glass candy thermometer. The accuracy of these thermometers should be very high. Remember to cushion the thermometer in several layers of newsprint paper... After all they are glass. The down side is it will take several minutes to make a reading and then you will want to calibrate your iron to make resets a bit faster. I don't use a thermometer. I use a special wax sticks. A throw back to then I used to set the thermal back printing decks on photo paper processors. There are several wax sticks which melt at various exact temperatures and the ones marked 300F and 350F get regular usage. Once the 300 wax stick melts and the 350F stick barely melts I'm there. The melted wax wipes off easily, makes checking the temp easy and as a bonus the wax cleans the face of the iron. I can even tell the hot and cool parts of the iron's surface. I am, however, wondering if any one is using a laser thermometer and if so how is the accuracy. I think that may be an accurate alternative to the old candy thermometer. Noel -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of jerry evans Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 11:46 PM Subject: Kitfox-List: Irons for covering I'm in the covering stage on my kitfox 2 with the Stitts Dacron 1.7 oz. and I'm having trouble finding the right Iron, the first one only went up to 325 took it back the next one a black and Decker goes from 223 to 253 and 331 to 355 at one setting is there a good one out there I can calibrate closer or is it necessary I have a digital deep fryer thermometer seem to be accurate in boiling water. Anyone know? Jerry Evans kitfox 555 href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List">http://www.matronhref="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com ________________________________ Message 39 ____________________________________ Time: 07:22:54 PM PST US From: Gill Levesque Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: More on Rotax 582 oil Re: 582 Oil leak? Dave , I buy my castrol at Walmart for under $4Can Gil davef@cfisher.com wrote: Tom, i checked the site 28$ plus about $12 to ship so 40$ for USA Shippping is additional 50% nearly of product cost ....... geez someone must of said shhhhh aviation :) I doubt Canada I could get shipped for that. We pay for Castrol Super 2 stroke about 5$ CDN per litre you are paying about 4$ US so we pretty close I Think except we get ours at a local outlet. Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Jones" Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 10:12 PM Subject: Kitfox-List: More on Rotax 582 oil Re: 582 Oil leak? > > >> The only Pennzoil available around here is the four stroke automotive >> stuff. >> I the Penz available in your neck of the woods? > > > Noel, check out the online oil store, $28 something USD for a case of 24 > 16 ouncers of penzoil air cooled two cycle oil. I don't think you can > beat the price. See, it was a good idea to bring back the oil topic. > > http://oil-store.com/ > > Tom Jones, Classic 4, 503, warp, phase one 4.5 hrs, Ellensburg, WA > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=108784#108784 > > > --------------------------------- ________________________________ Message 40 ____________________________________ Time: 07:52:03 PM PST US From: Guy Buchanan Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: 582 Exhaust Ball Joints At 05:55 PM 4/24/2007, you wrote: > Just out of curiosity, what makes you think they are not sealing > good enough? I tore the exhaust system apart today to have it re-coated and found the manifold / elbow joint had two areas that were clearly blowing. They had yellow deposits, (the same as inside the manifold,) running through the joint. I did a lot of work today and improved the mating significantly, but would like it to seal, if possible. Guy Buchanan San Diego, CA K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 100% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar. ________________________________ Message 41 ____________________________________ Time: 09:07:53 PM PST US From: "Lowell Fitt" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Irons for covering Noel, I just ordered an infrared thermometer and it claims 1% accuracy. It is a recognized mane brand unit and think the claims are valid. Your mention of the temps you test for makes me wonder if you have seen the Poly Fiber manual. It recommends calibrating at 200, 225,250 and 350. There are procedures at each of these temps in the covering process. My 912 manual calls for a maximum shrink temp of 300, this, I understand is due to the light weight structure that can deform with the 350 max Polyfiber recommends. I understand the wax concept as it is similar to the cones that jewelry manufacturers use to calibrate their furnaces, but I would be a bit concerned about wax residue on the fabric. It could cause fish eye in the final finish. Lowell ----- Original Message ----- From: "Noel Loveys" Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2007 3:43 PM Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Irons for covering The Iron I use is a Proctor Silex. I can get a pretty accurate 350F with it. I don't use a thermometer. They can be hard to calibrate. Even testing using boiling water is not as reliable as you may expect. Water seldom, if ever, boils at 212F. Altitude and low pressure areas can have a pretty good boil going on at temperatures below 180F or as high as 220F. They say you can't cook an egg or make a good cup of tea in the Rockies for that reason. I think if I was to use a thermometer I would use a glass candy thermometer. The accuracy of these thermometers should be very high. Remember to cushion the thermometer in several layers of newsprint paper... After all they are glass. The down side is it will take several minutes to make a reading and then you will want to calibrate your iron to make resets a bit faster. I don't use a thermometer. I use a special wax sticks. A throw back to then I used to set the thermal back printing decks on photo paper processors. There are several wax sticks which melt at various exact temperatures and the ones marked 300F and 350F get regular usage. Once the 300 wax stick melts and the 350F stick barely melts I'm there. The melted wax wipes off easily, makes checking the temp easy and as a bonus the wax cleans the face of the iron. I can even tell the hot and cool parts of the iron's surface. I am, however, wondering if any one is using a laser thermometer and if so how is the accuracy. I think that may be an accurate alternative to the old candy thermometer. Noel -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of jerry evans Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 11:46 PM Subject: Kitfox-List: Irons for covering I'm in the covering stage on my kitfox 2 with the Stitts Dacron 1.7 oz. and I'm having trouble finding the right Iron, the first one only went up to 325 took it back the next one a black and Decker goes from 223 to 253 and 331 to 355 at one setting is there a good one out there I can calibrate closer or is it necessary I have a digital deep fryer thermometer seem to be accurate in boiling water. Anyone know? Jerry Evans kitfox 555 ________________________________ Message 42 ____________________________________ Time: 09:54:54 PM PST US From: James Shumaker Subject: Kitfox-List: Infrared temp measurements for Irons for covering Lowell=0A=0AIf you use the IR thermometer to measure the temp of the surfac e of the iron it will read low by as much as 70%. this is because the Shin y surface of the iron does not radiate heat at the same rate as a darker su rface that the thermometer is set for. To get an accurate measurement, sti ck a piece of scotch 33 electrical tape on the face of the iron and measure the electrical tape. The heat will penetrate the tape almost instantly an d the radiant properties of the tape will match the IR sensor calibration. =0A=0AJim Shumaker=0A=0AModel III=0A=0A=0A----- Original Message ----=0AFro m: Lowell Fitt =0ATo: kitfox-list@matronics.com=0ASen t: Tuesday, April 24, 2007 9:06:40 PM=0ASubject: Re: Kitfox-List: Irons for sbcglobal.net>=0A=0ANoel, I just ordered an infrared thermometer and it cl aims 1% accuracy. It =0Ais a recognized mane brand unit and think the clai ms are valid.=0A=0AYour mention of the temps you test for makes me wonder i f you have seen the =0APoly Fiber manual. It recommends calibrating at 200 =B0, 225=B0,250=B0 and 350=B0. =0AThere are procedures at each of these tem ps in the covering process. My 912 =0Amanual calls for a maximum shrink te mp of 300=B0, this, I understand is due to =0Athe light weight structure th at can deform with the 350=B0 max Polyfiber =0Arecommends.=0A=0AI understan d the wax concept as it is similar to the cones that jewelry =0Amanufacture rs use to calibrate their furnaces, but I would be a bit =0Aconcerned about wax residue on the fabric. It could cause fish eye in the =0Afinal finish .=0A=0ALowell=0A=0A----- Original Message ----- =0AFrom: "Noel Loveys" =0ATo: =0ASent: Tuesday, April 24, 2007 3:43 PM=0ASubject: RE: Kitfox-List: Irons for covering=0A=0A=0AThe Iron I use is a Proctor Silex. I can get a pretty accurate 350F with=0Ait . I don't use a thermometer. They can be hard to calibrate. Even=0Atesti ng using boiling water is not as reliable as you may expect. Water=0Aseldo m, if ever, boils at 212F. Altitude and low pressure areas can have a=0Apr etty good boil going on at temperatures below 180F or as high as 220F.=0ATh ey say you can't cook an egg or make a good cup of tea in the Rockies for =0Athat reason.=0A=0AI think if I was to use a thermometer I would use a gl ass candy thermometer.=0AThe accuracy of these thermometers should be very high. Remember to cushion=0Athe thermometer in several layers of newsprint paper... After all they are=0Aglass. The down side is it will take severa l minutes to make a reading and=0Athen you will want to calibrate your iron to make resets a bit faster.=0A=0AI don't use a thermometer. I use a spec ial wax sticks. A throw back to=0Athen I used to set the thermal back prin ting decks on photo paper=0Aprocessors. There are several wax sticks which melt at various exact=0Atemperatures and the ones marked 300F and 350F get regular usage. Once the=0A300 wax stick melts and the 350F stick barely m elts I'm there. The melted=0Awax wipes off easily, makes checking the temp easy and as a bonus the wax=0Acleans the face of the iron. I can even tel l the hot and cool parts of the=0Airon's surface.=0A=0AI am, however, wonde ring if any one is using a laser thermometer and if so=0Ahow is the accurac y. I think that may be an accurate alternative to the old=0Acandy thermome ter.=0A=0A=0ANoel=0A=0A-----Original Message-----=0AFrom: owner-kitfox-list -server@matronics.com=0A[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of jerry evans=0ASent: Monday, April 23, 2007 11:46 PM=0ATo: kitfox- list@matronics.com=0ASubject: Kitfox-List: Irons for covering=0A=0A=0AI'm i n the covering stage on my kitfox 2 with the Stitts Dacron 1.7 oz. and=0AI' m having trouble finding the right Iron, the first one only went up to 325 =0Atook it back the next one a black and Decker goes from 223 to 253 and=0A331 to 355 at one setting is there a good one out there I can calibra te=0Acloser or is it necessary I have a digital deep fryer thermometer see m to=0Abe accurate in boiling water. Anyone know?=0A=0AJerry Evans=0Akitfox 555 =0A=0A=0A ================== ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message kitfox-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Kitfox-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/kitfox-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/kitfox-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.