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1. 03:57 AM - Re: 582 vibration (Don Smythe)
2. 05:43 AM - Re: 582 vibration (Ray B. McKinley)
3. 08:33 AM - Re: weather proof cabin cover (jdmcbean)
4. 08:38 AM - Re: 582 vibration (fox5flyer)
5. 09:02 AM - wing tanks and fuel lines Classic 4 (Leon Morris)
6. 09:02 AM - Re: Strut fairing questions. (kitfoxmike)
7. 10:26 AM - Re: 582 vibration (Guy Buchanan)
8. 10:28 AM - Re: 582 vibration (Guy Buchanan)
9. 11:56 AM - Re: 582 vibration (Don Smythe)
10. 12:09 PM - Re: wing tanks and fuel lines Classic 4 (Don Smythe)
11. 12:39 PM - Re: Re: Strut fairing questions. (Michel Verheughe)
12. 12:46 PM - Re: Droop tips (Michel Verheughe)
13. 12:49 PM - Re: Off topic...Top Gun (Lynn Matteson)
14. 01:15 PM - [ Steve Magdic ] : New Email List Photo Share Available! (Email List Photo Shares)
15. 02:30 PM - Re: 582 vibration (GONER752@aol.com)
16. 05:30 PM - Vibration (Rex & Jan Shaw)
17. 05:52 PM - Re: 582 vibration (Ray B. McKinley)
18. 05:55 PM - Re: 582 vibration (Clem Nichols)
19. 06:58 PM - 912 ul throtlle choke cabel assembly (Gerald Jantzi)
20. 07:39 PM - 912 ul throtlle choke cabel assembly (Rexster)
21. 08:21 PM - Re: 582 vibration (Guy Buchanan)
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| Subject: | Re: 582 vibration |
Ray,
Two things come to mind. First, the 582 seems to run rough at idle
below 2500 RPM's. Second, check the prop closely that all three blades
are set to the exact same pitch. One blade off a little will cause
vibration. You didn't really say when or where you get the vibration.
Is it idle, a certain RPM or flying?
Don Smythe
Classic IV w/582
Newport News, Va.
----- Original Message -----
From: Ray B. McKinley
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, May 06, 2007 11:35 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: 582 vibration
I have a kitfox lit squared 2 which is the same as a Classic IV. I
have about 2 hours on it and the engine seems to vibrate and excessive
amount. I have no experience with this combination and would like to
know if it is normal.
Ray McKinley 582 blue head with 2 blade GSC prop and tri gear
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Don
The engine smoothes out at 3000 RPM but the vibration is there at a small
amplitude. As the RPM increases the vibration gets more and more
pronounced. I am near Livingston CA . The prop is a GSC 2 blade and I have
checked the settings and both blades are the same the tracking is within 1/8
inch the GSC instructions say that this is OK.
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From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Don Smythe
Sent: Monday, May 07, 2007 3:57 AM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: 582 vibration
Ray,
Two things come to mind. First, the 582 seems to run rough at idle
below 2500 RPM's. Second, check the prop closely that all three blades are
set to the exact same pitch. One blade off a little will cause vibration.
You didn't really say when or where you get the vibration. Is it idle, a
certain RPM or flying?
Don Smythe
Classic IV w/582
Newport News, Va.
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From: Ray <mailto:ray_mckinley@evansinet.com> B. McKinley
Sent: Sunday, May 06, 2007 11:35 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: 582 vibration
I have a kitfox lit squared 2 which is the same as a Classic IV. I have
about 2 hours on it and the engine seems to vibrate and excessive amount. I
have no experience with this combination and would like to know if it is
normal.
Ray McKinley 582 blue head with 2 blade GSC prop and tri gear
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List">http://www.matronhref
"http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
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| Subject: | weather proof cabin cover |
Nelson,
We have cabin covers.. and while not weather proof they do repel
water some.. We treat ours with Scotch Guard and it does a great job.
Fly Safe !!
John & Debra McBean
208.337.5111
www.kitfoxaircraft.com
"It's not how Fast... It's how Fun!"
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From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Nelson Goguen
Sent: Sunday, May 06, 2007 5:48 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: weather proof cabin cover
Anyone know where I can get a weather proof cabin cover. is Sam Knight of
Knight Aircraft Interiors still in business.
do not achive
Nelson Goguen
S5 Vixen 912 S
99% done
Ashby, Mass..
PM
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| Subject: | Re: 582 vibration |
If it's a ground adjustable GSC, it sounds more like you may have a
slight pitch imbalance rather than tracking error. It only takes a
small amount to cause vibration, especially with a two blader. A small
laser pen can be easily rigged up to make a good pitch indicator for
adjustment. Your only limit is your imagination. :-)
Deke Morisse
N148DM
S5/Soob/CAP
NE Michigan
----- Original Message -----
From: Ray B. McKinley
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, May 07, 2007 7:42 AM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: 582 vibration
Don
The engine smoothes out at 3000 RPM but the vibration is there at a
small amplitude. As the RPM increases the vibration gets more and more
pronounced. I am near Livingston CA . The prop is a GSC 2 blade and I
have checked the settings and both blades are the same the tracking is
within 1/8 inch the GSC instructions say that this is OK.
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[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Don Smythe
Sent: Monday, May 07, 2007 3:57 AM
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: 582 vibration
Ray,
Two things come to mind. First, the 582 seems to run rough at
idle below 2500 RPM's. Second, check the prop closely that all three
blades are set to the exact same pitch. One blade off a little will
cause vibration. You didn't really say when or where you get the
vibration. Is it idle, a certain RPM or flying?
Don Smythe
Classic IV w/582
Newport News, Va.
----- Original Message -----
From: Ray B. McKinley
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, May 06, 2007 11:35 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: 582 vibration
I have a kitfox lit squared 2 which is the same as a Classic IV. I
have about 2 hours on it and the engine seems to vibrate and excessive
amount. I have no experience with this combination and would like to
know if it is normal.
Ray McKinley 582 blue head with 2 blade GSC prop and tri gear
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List">http://www.matron
href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
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| Subject: | wing tanks and fuel lines Classic 4 |
I have read in Kitfox Builder of many problems with the fiberglass tanks
that have been sloshed with Kreem and fuel lines that are actually hydraulic
lines. Is this just with autogas use? Should I get rid of them or use avgas
only or try to find plastic tanks and gas fuel lines?
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| Subject: | Re: Strut fairing questions. |
How to center the struts. Well if you installed them the way I did (just snap
them on) you don't have to worry about it, they will move to the slip stream automatically.
I did a test this morning and put down angle on the strut fairings.
By the time I hit level flight they readjusted themselves to level. Another
note if you want to glue them is to put them to the bar that goes between
the front and back at the wing connections, at least I have one on my 4.
--------
kitfoxmike
model IV, 1200
speedster
912ul
building
RV7a
slowbuild wings, fuse
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Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=111372#111372
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At 05:42 AM 5/7/2007, you wrote:
>The engine smoothes out at 3000 RPM but the vibration is there at a
>small amplitude. As the RPM increases the vibration gets more and
>more pronounced. I am near Livingston CA .
It sounds like the prop. I would check the blade length
first, then pitch, at 75% of the blade length, then balance. Get it
dynamically balanced if you can. There was a long discussion of this
subject recently so check the archives. The Warp owners had problems
with twist variations between blades. I don't remember anything being
said about GSC.
If you're still unsure by June 8 I'd be glad to stop by on
my way to Lowell's. I've got a 582 powered IV, but it has a three
blade Warp. It vibrates too, but the pitch has been checked and the
prop dynamically balanced so it's as good as it's going to get. (The
vibration doesn't track RPM until above about 6000 RPM, though.) Let me know.
Guy Buchanan
San Diego, CA
K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 100% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar.
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At 05:42 AM 5/7/2007, you wrote:
>The engine smoothes out at 3000 RPM but the vibration is there at a
>small amplitude. As the RPM increases the vibration gets more and
>more pronounced. I am near Livingston CA .
It sounds like the prop. I would check the blade length
first, then pitch, at 75% of the blade length, then balance. Get it
dynamically balanced if you can. There was a long discussion of this
subject recently so check the archives. The Warp owners had problems
with twist variations between blades. I don't remember anything being
said about GSC.
If you're still unsure by June 8 I'd be glad to stop by on
my way to Lowell's. I've got a 582 powered IV, but it has a three
blade Warp. It vibrates too, but the pitch has been checked and the
prop dynamically balanced so it's as good as it's going to get. (The
vibration doesn't track RPM until above about 6000 RPM, though.) Let me know.
Guy Buchanan
San Diego, CA
K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 100% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar.
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| Subject: | Re: 582 vibration |
Ray,
The 582 will run rough up to around 2500 or 3000. This is not what
I would call vibration but just rough. Without actually feeling the
problem it's hard to understand the difference between what might be
rough or vibration. Also, the 2 blade versus 3 blade might be adding to
the situation.
Don Smythe
Classic IV w/582
Newport News, Va.
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----- Original Message -----
From: Ray B. McKinley
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, May 07, 2007 8:42 AM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: 582 vibration
Don
The engine smoothes out at 3000 RPM but the vibration is there at a
small amplitude. As the RPM increases the vibration gets more and more
pronounced. I am near Livingston CA . The prop is a GSC 2 blade and I
have checked the settings and both blades are the same the tracking is
within 1/8 inch the GSC instructions say that this is OK.
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From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Don Smythe
Sent: Monday, May 07, 2007 3:57 AM
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: 582 vibration
Ray,
Two things come to mind. First, the 582 seems to run rough at
idle below 2500 RPM's. Second, check the prop closely that all three
blades are set to the exact same pitch. One blade off a little will
cause vibration. You didn't really say when or where you get the
vibration. Is it idle, a certain RPM or flying?
Don Smythe
Classic IV w/582
Newport News, Va.
----- Original Message -----
From: Ray B. McKinley
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, May 06, 2007 11:35 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: 582 vibration
I have a kitfox lit squared 2 which is the same as a Classic IV. I
have about 2 hours on it and the engine seems to vibrate and excessive
amount. I have no experience with this combination and would like to
know if it is normal.
Ray McKinley 582 blue head with 2 blade GSC prop and tri gear
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List">http://www.matron
href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
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| Subject: | Re: wing tanks and fuel lines Classic 4 |
Two different problems. The basic Kreem problem was due to the
product cracking and coming loose in the tanks. This caused several
owners to be forced into cleaning the tanks and re-sloshing. Do you
have Kreem in your tanks?
The old fuel line problem was when Skystar supplied MIL-6000 black
rubber hose in the kit. Auto fuel from some locations around the
country would cause the MIL-6000 to swell shut. I'm almost certain that
the new Kitfox folks do not supply that line anymore. If you have
MIL-6000, simply throw it in the trash can and replace with auto hose
of either SAE-R7 or SAE -R9 (fuel injection). I use clear Polyurethane
from AC Spruce and it works just fine. The auto hose or Poly will work
equally well with 100LL.
As far as going to plastic tanks, I think the jury is still out on
what is the best choice if a replacement is necessary. If I "HAD" to
change tanks right now I don't know what I would choose.
Don Smythe
Classic IV w/582
Newport News, Va.
----- Original Message -----
From: Leon Morris
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, May 07, 2007 11:51 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: wing tanks and fuel lines Classic 4
I have read in Kitfox Builder of many problems with the fiberglass
tanks that have been sloshed with Kreem and fuel lines that are actually
hydraulic lines. Is this just with autogas use? Should I get rid of them
or use avgas only or try to find plastic tanks and gas fuel lines?
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| Subject: | Re: Strut fairing questions. |
On May 7, 2007, at 4:25 AM, kurt schrader wrote:
> What we found was interesting.
I am glad it could help, Kurt. Of course, using a simulator to
calculate real life aviation should always be taken with a grain of
salt but apparently it was effective in your case.
Cheers,
Michel Verheughe
Norway
Kitfox3 - Jabiru
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On May 7, 2007, at 2:25 AM, Rex & Jan Shaw wrote:
> Well I have droop tips but cannot say I've ever been aware of them
> obscuring visability
I agree with you, Rex. However droop tips can be very dangerous ... if
on another airplane, like a CT2, and the guy tries to park next to you.
That's what happened to me last week in Germany. His winglet edge cut
the fabric of the end of my left wing. I flew home with tape on the
hole and I am now in the process of estimate professional repairs at
the cost of the German insurance company.
Cheers,
Michel Verheughe
Norway
Kitfox 3 - Jabiru
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| Subject: | Re: Off topic...Top Gun |
Shucks, ya ruined the ending for me, John....now when I watch it
for the 6th time, I'll already know the ending....but wait, if I wait
about a week, I'll have forgotten and it'll be new all over again.:)
Lynn Matteson
Grass Lake, Michigan
Kitfox IV Speedster w/Jabiru 2200
flying w/275+ hrs
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On May 7, 2007, at 1:54 AM, John Allen wrote:
> "Flyboys" looks like a remake of many of
> its scenes, but with unrealistic computerized
> dogfights and pilots able to yell to each other in
> flight. Have only seen it once, so don't know how
> realistic the story is or about the SE-5a's,
> Nieuports, and Fokkers. Sad ending - the main guy
> never flies again.
>
>
> John Allen KF IV Speedster 912UL, @ O70 CA
>
> Do not archive
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: 582 vibration |
Ray,
I have the 582 grey head, with a c-drive and 3 bladed GSC. I have to echo
the others, the 582 vibrates terribly at idle, or just above,(2000-3000).
Although, it is smooth at top end. I would definitely suspect a prop related
problem, unbalanced, unequal pitich, etc. Good luck and let us know.
Greg G.
Macedon, N.Y.
23NK
n375KL
Mod 2
582
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Hi ! Ray,
you wrote :- I have a kitfox lit squared 2 which is the
same as a Classic IV. I have
about 2 hours on it and the engine seems to vibrate and excessive amount. I
have no experience with this combination and would like to know if it is
normal.
Ray McKinley 582 blue head with 2 blade GSC prop and tri gear
I have a Kitfox MKIV/582 with 3 blade Ivo and 3:1 box. Mine is really
smooth above 3,000 and sometimes below but generally I try not to go
there. Several times I have had comments about how smooth it runs.
My suggestion would be to check engine mounting is all tight and the
motor is not touching any fixed part like the mount etc except
through the rubber mounts of course. Next check the prop is properly setup,
balanced, same pitch on each blade and again it is tight. Next check the
carbs are balanced. I am about lost for ideas after that.
Rex from Australia.
rexjan@bigpond.com
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Hi Guy
I checked the pitch setting today and found that it is =BD degree off
one side
is 17 degrees and the other it 17.5 degrees I also rechecked the rpm
this
weekend and found that the static ground speed was 6800 rpm so I set the
pitch a little steeper at 18 degrees on both blades to see if that
lowers
the static rpm to 6200 and helps with the vibration. I will let you
know
how it turns out and thanks for all the input from everyone. All good
info
Ray McKinley 582-C 3 to 1 GSC 2 blade prop being adjusted
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From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Guy
Buchanan
Sent: Monday, May 07, 2007 10:25 AM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: 582 vibration
At 05:42 AM 5/7/2007, you wrote:
The engine smoothes out at 3000 RPM but the vibration is there at a
small
amplitude. As the RPM increases the vibration gets more and more
pronounced. I am near Livingston CA .
It sounds like the prop. I would check the blade length first,
then
pitch, at 75% of the blade length, then balance. Get it dynamically
balanced
if you can. There was a long discussion of this subject recently so
check
the archives. The Warp owners had problems with twist variations between
blades. I don't remember anything being said about GSC.
If you're still unsure by June 8 I'd be glad to stop by on my
way to
Lowell's. I've got a 582 powered IV, but it has a three blade Warp. It
vibrates too, but the pitch has been checked and the prop dynamically
balanced so it's as good as it's going to get. (The vibration doesn't
track
RPM until above about 6000 RPM, though.) Let me know.
Guy Buchanan
San Diego, CA
K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 100% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar.
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| Subject: | Re: 582 vibration |
Guy:
Where did you get your Warp Drive Prop dynamically balanced? I spoke
with one the fellows at Warp Drive, and he said they balanced props
statically. Thanks for your response.
Clem Nichols
Model IV1200
Subaru EA81
Munfordville, Ky.
----- Original Message -----
From: Guy Buchanan
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, May 07, 2007 12:25 PM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: 582 vibration
At 05:42 AM 5/7/2007, you wrote:
The engine smoothes out at 3000 RPM but the vibration is there at a
small amplitude. As the RPM increases the vibration gets more and more
pronounced. I am near Livingston CA .
It sounds like the prop. I would check the blade length first,
then pitch, at 75% of the blade length, then balance. Get it dynamically
balanced if you can. There was a long discussion of this subject
recently so check the archives. The Warp owners had problems with twist
variations between blades. I don't remember anything being said about
GSC.
If you're still unsure by June 8 I'd be glad to stop by on my
way to Lowell's. I've got a 582 powered IV, but it has a three blade
Warp. It vibrates too, but the pitch has been checked and the prop
dynamically balanced so it's as good as it's going to get. (The
vibration doesn't track RPM until above about 6000 RPM, though.) Let me
know.
Guy Buchanan
San Diego, CA
K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 100% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar.
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| Subject: | 912 ul throtlle choke cabel assembly |
I am still trying to get information on what I should order an from where. need
throttle ,choke cable Assembly . need everything from cockpit to carburetors.
for kitfox 5 with rotax 912ul. is there any model 5 drivers that can give me
some input. thanks gerry
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TV dinner still cooling?
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| Subject: | 912 ul throtlle choke cabel assembly |
Gerry,
First place to look for parts for your Kitfox would be John McBean an
d friends over at the Kitfox factory. Great people with lots of knowled
ge and parts for our planes. Do you need their contact information?
Rex in Michigan
Model 3 / 912UL / Warp Drive / 570 hours
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-- Gerald Jantzi <gvjantzi@yahoo.com> wrote:
I am still trying to get information on what I should order an from wher
e. need throttle ,choke cable Assembly . need everything from cockpit to
carburetors. for kitfox 5 with rotax 912ul. is there any model 5 driver
s that can give me some input. thanks gerry
TV dinner still cooling?
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<html><P>Gerry,</P>
<P> First place to look for parts for your Kitfox would be J
ohn McBean and friends over at the Kitfox factory. Great peop
le with lots of knowledge and parts for our planes. Do you need their co
ntact information?</P>
<P>Rex in Michigan<BR>Model 3 / 912UL / Warp Drive / 570 hours<BR>Do not
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| Subject: | Re: 582 vibration |
At 05:54 PM 5/7/2007, you wrote:
>Where did you get your Warp Drive Prop dynamically balanced? I
>spoke with one the fellows at Warp Drive, and he said they balanced
>props statically. Thanks for your response.
A local FBO did it. Cruisair in Ramona. Most large FBO's have the
capability to dynamically balance, it's fairly common for spam cans.
A warning, though. It's expensive, (~$200,) and I noticed little
difference. I think if you do a really good and conscientious static
balance you'll be fine.
Guy Buchanan
San Diego, CA
K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 100% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar.
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