---------------------------------------------------------- Kitfox-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Mon 05/07/07: 21 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 03:57 AM - Re: 582 vibration (Don Smythe) 2. 05:43 AM - Re: 582 vibration (Ray B. McKinley) 3. 08:33 AM - Re: weather proof cabin cover (jdmcbean) 4. 08:38 AM - Re: 582 vibration (fox5flyer) 5. 09:02 AM - wing tanks and fuel lines Classic 4 (Leon Morris) 6. 09:02 AM - Re: Strut fairing questions. (kitfoxmike) 7. 10:26 AM - Re: 582 vibration (Guy Buchanan) 8. 10:28 AM - Re: 582 vibration (Guy Buchanan) 9. 11:56 AM - Re: 582 vibration (Don Smythe) 10. 12:09 PM - Re: wing tanks and fuel lines Classic 4 (Don Smythe) 11. 12:39 PM - Re: Re: Strut fairing questions. (Michel Verheughe) 12. 12:46 PM - Re: Droop tips (Michel Verheughe) 13. 12:49 PM - Re: Off topic...Top Gun (Lynn Matteson) 14. 01:15 PM - [ Steve Magdic ] : New Email List Photo Share Available! (Email List Photo Shares) 15. 02:30 PM - Re: 582 vibration (GONER752@aol.com) 16. 05:30 PM - Vibration (Rex & Jan Shaw) 17. 05:52 PM - Re: 582 vibration (Ray B. McKinley) 18. 05:55 PM - Re: 582 vibration (Clem Nichols) 19. 06:58 PM - 912 ul throtlle choke cabel assembly (Gerald Jantzi) 20. 07:39 PM - 912 ul throtlle choke cabel assembly (Rexster) 21. 08:21 PM - Re: 582 vibration (Guy Buchanan) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 03:57:59 AM PST US From: "Don Smythe" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: 582 vibration Ray, Two things come to mind. First, the 582 seems to run rough at idle below 2500 RPM's. Second, check the prop closely that all three blades are set to the exact same pitch. One blade off a little will cause vibration. You didn't really say when or where you get the vibration. Is it idle, a certain RPM or flying? Don Smythe Classic IV w/582 Newport News, Va. ----- Original Message ----- From: Ray B. McKinley To: kitfox-list@matronics.com Sent: Sunday, May 06, 2007 11:35 PM Subject: Kitfox-List: 582 vibration I have a kitfox lit squared 2 which is the same as a Classic IV. I have about 2 hours on it and the engine seems to vibrate and excessive amount. I have no experience with this combination and would like to know if it is normal. Ray McKinley 582 blue head with 2 blade GSC prop and tri gear ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 05:43:38 AM PST US From: "Ray B. McKinley" Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: 582 vibration Don The engine smoothes out at 3000 RPM but the vibration is there at a small amplitude. As the RPM increases the vibration gets more and more pronounced. I am near Livingston CA . The prop is a GSC 2 blade and I have checked the settings and both blades are the same the tracking is within 1/8 inch the GSC instructions say that this is OK. _____ From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Don Smythe Sent: Monday, May 07, 2007 3:57 AM Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: 582 vibration Ray, Two things come to mind. First, the 582 seems to run rough at idle below 2500 RPM's. Second, check the prop closely that all three blades are set to the exact same pitch. One blade off a little will cause vibration. You didn't really say when or where you get the vibration. Is it idle, a certain RPM or flying? Don Smythe Classic IV w/582 Newport News, Va. ----- Original Message ----- From: Ray B. McKinley Sent: Sunday, May 06, 2007 11:35 PM Subject: Kitfox-List: 582 vibration I have a kitfox lit squared 2 which is the same as a Classic IV. I have about 2 hours on it and the engine seems to vibrate and excessive amount. I have no experience with this combination and would like to know if it is normal. Ray McKinley 582 blue head with 2 blade GSC prop and tri gear href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List">http://www.matronhref "http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 08:33:38 AM PST US From: "jdmcbean" Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: weather proof cabin cover Nelson, We have cabin covers.. and while not weather proof they do repel water some.. We treat ours with Scotch Guard and it does a great job. Fly Safe !! John & Debra McBean 208.337.5111 www.kitfoxaircraft.com "It's not how Fast... It's how Fun!" -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Nelson Goguen Sent: Sunday, May 06, 2007 5:48 PM Subject: Kitfox-List: weather proof cabin cover Anyone know where I can get a weather proof cabin cover. is Sam Knight of Knight Aircraft Interiors still in business. do not achive Nelson Goguen S5 Vixen 912 S 99% done Ashby, Mass.. PM ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 08:38:32 AM PST US From: "fox5flyer" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: 582 vibration If it's a ground adjustable GSC, it sounds more like you may have a slight pitch imbalance rather than tracking error. It only takes a small amount to cause vibration, especially with a two blader. A small laser pen can be easily rigged up to make a good pitch indicator for adjustment. Your only limit is your imagination. :-) Deke Morisse N148DM S5/Soob/CAP NE Michigan ----- Original Message ----- From: Ray B. McKinley To: kitfox-list@matronics.com Sent: Monday, May 07, 2007 7:42 AM Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: 582 vibration Don The engine smoothes out at 3000 RPM but the vibration is there at a small amplitude. As the RPM increases the vibration gets more and more pronounced. I am near Livingston CA . The prop is a GSC 2 blade and I have checked the settings and both blades are the same the tracking is within 1/8 inch the GSC instructions say that this is OK. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Don Smythe Sent: Monday, May 07, 2007 3:57 AM To: kitfox-list@matronics.com Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: 582 vibration Ray, Two things come to mind. First, the 582 seems to run rough at idle below 2500 RPM's. Second, check the prop closely that all three blades are set to the exact same pitch. One blade off a little will cause vibration. You didn't really say when or where you get the vibration. Is it idle, a certain RPM or flying? Don Smythe Classic IV w/582 Newport News, Va. ----- Original Message ----- From: Ray B. McKinley To: kitfox-list@matronics.com Sent: Sunday, May 06, 2007 11:35 PM Subject: Kitfox-List: 582 vibration I have a kitfox lit squared 2 which is the same as a Classic IV. I have about 2 hours on it and the engine seems to vibrate and excessive amount. I have no experience with this combination and would like to know if it is normal. Ray McKinley 582 blue head with 2 blade GSC prop and tri gear href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List">http://www.matron href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 09:02:19 AM PST US From: "Leon Morris" Subject: Kitfox-List: wing tanks and fuel lines Classic 4 I have read in Kitfox Builder of many problems with the fiberglass tanks that have been sloshed with Kreem and fuel lines that are actually hydraulic lines. Is this just with autogas use? Should I get rid of them or use avgas only or try to find plastic tanks and gas fuel lines? ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 09:02:33 AM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Strut fairing questions. From: "kitfoxmike" How to center the struts. Well if you installed them the way I did (just snap them on) you don't have to worry about it, they will move to the slip stream automatically. I did a test this morning and put down angle on the strut fairings. By the time I hit level flight they readjusted themselves to level. Another note if you want to glue them is to put them to the bar that goes between the front and back at the wing connections, at least I have one on my 4. -------- kitfoxmike model IV, 1200 speedster 912ul building RV7a slowbuild wings, fuse Do not archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=111372#111372 ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 10:26:22 AM PST US From: Guy Buchanan Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: 582 vibration At 05:42 AM 5/7/2007, you wrote: >The engine smoothes out at 3000 RPM but the vibration is there at a >small amplitude. As the RPM increases the vibration gets more and >more pronounced. I am near Livingston CA . It sounds like the prop. I would check the blade length first, then pitch, at 75% of the blade length, then balance. Get it dynamically balanced if you can. There was a long discussion of this subject recently so check the archives. The Warp owners had problems with twist variations between blades. I don't remember anything being said about GSC. If you're still unsure by June 8 I'd be glad to stop by on my way to Lowell's. I've got a 582 powered IV, but it has a three blade Warp. It vibrates too, but the pitch has been checked and the prop dynamically balanced so it's as good as it's going to get. (The vibration doesn't track RPM until above about 6000 RPM, though.) Let me know. Guy Buchanan San Diego, CA K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 100% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar. ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 10:28:30 AM PST US From: Guy Buchanan Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: 582 vibration At 05:42 AM 5/7/2007, you wrote: >The engine smoothes out at 3000 RPM but the vibration is there at a >small amplitude. As the RPM increases the vibration gets more and >more pronounced. I am near Livingston CA . It sounds like the prop. I would check the blade length first, then pitch, at 75% of the blade length, then balance. Get it dynamically balanced if you can. There was a long discussion of this subject recently so check the archives. The Warp owners had problems with twist variations between blades. I don't remember anything being said about GSC. If you're still unsure by June 8 I'd be glad to stop by on my way to Lowell's. I've got a 582 powered IV, but it has a three blade Warp. It vibrates too, but the pitch has been checked and the prop dynamically balanced so it's as good as it's going to get. (The vibration doesn't track RPM until above about 6000 RPM, though.) Let me know. Guy Buchanan San Diego, CA K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 100% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar. ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 11:56:08 AM PST US From: "Don Smythe" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: 582 vibration Ray, The 582 will run rough up to around 2500 or 3000. This is not what I would call vibration but just rough. Without actually feeling the problem it's hard to understand the difference between what might be rough or vibration. Also, the 2 blade versus 3 blade might be adding to the situation. Don Smythe Classic IV w/582 Newport News, Va. Do Not Archive ----- Original Message ----- From: Ray B. McKinley To: kitfox-list@matronics.com Sent: Monday, May 07, 2007 8:42 AM Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: 582 vibration Don The engine smoothes out at 3000 RPM but the vibration is there at a small amplitude. As the RPM increases the vibration gets more and more pronounced. I am near Livingston CA . The prop is a GSC 2 blade and I have checked the settings and both blades are the same the tracking is within 1/8 inch the GSC instructions say that this is OK. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Don Smythe Sent: Monday, May 07, 2007 3:57 AM To: kitfox-list@matronics.com Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: 582 vibration Ray, Two things come to mind. First, the 582 seems to run rough at idle below 2500 RPM's. Second, check the prop closely that all three blades are set to the exact same pitch. One blade off a little will cause vibration. You didn't really say when or where you get the vibration. Is it idle, a certain RPM or flying? Don Smythe Classic IV w/582 Newport News, Va. ----- Original Message ----- From: Ray B. McKinley To: kitfox-list@matronics.com Sent: Sunday, May 06, 2007 11:35 PM Subject: Kitfox-List: 582 vibration I have a kitfox lit squared 2 which is the same as a Classic IV. I have about 2 hours on it and the engine seems to vibrate and excessive amount. I have no experience with this combination and would like to know if it is normal. Ray McKinley 582 blue head with 2 blade GSC prop and tri gear href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List">http://www.matron href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 12:09:15 PM PST US From: "Don Smythe" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: wing tanks and fuel lines Classic 4 Two different problems. The basic Kreem problem was due to the product cracking and coming loose in the tanks. This caused several owners to be forced into cleaning the tanks and re-sloshing. Do you have Kreem in your tanks? The old fuel line problem was when Skystar supplied MIL-6000 black rubber hose in the kit. Auto fuel from some locations around the country would cause the MIL-6000 to swell shut. I'm almost certain that the new Kitfox folks do not supply that line anymore. If you have MIL-6000, simply throw it in the trash can and replace with auto hose of either SAE-R7 or SAE -R9 (fuel injection). I use clear Polyurethane from AC Spruce and it works just fine. The auto hose or Poly will work equally well with 100LL. As far as going to plastic tanks, I think the jury is still out on what is the best choice if a replacement is necessary. If I "HAD" to change tanks right now I don't know what I would choose. Don Smythe Classic IV w/582 Newport News, Va. ----- Original Message ----- From: Leon Morris To: kitfox-list@matronics.com Sent: Monday, May 07, 2007 11:51 AM Subject: Kitfox-List: wing tanks and fuel lines Classic 4 I have read in Kitfox Builder of many problems with the fiberglass tanks that have been sloshed with Kreem and fuel lines that are actually hydraulic lines. Is this just with autogas use? Should I get rid of them or use avgas only or try to find plastic tanks and gas fuel lines? ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 12:39:23 PM PST US From: Michel Verheughe Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Strut fairing questions. On May 7, 2007, at 4:25 AM, kurt schrader wrote: > What we found was interesting. I am glad it could help, Kurt. Of course, using a simulator to calculate real life aviation should always be taken with a grain of salt but apparently it was effective in your case. Cheers, Michel Verheughe Norway Kitfox3 - Jabiru Do not archive ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 12:46:17 PM PST US From: Michel Verheughe Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Droop tips On May 7, 2007, at 2:25 AM, Rex & Jan Shaw wrote: > Well I have droop tips but cannot say I've ever been aware of them > obscuring visability I agree with you, Rex. However droop tips can be very dangerous ... if on another airplane, like a CT2, and the guy tries to park next to you. That's what happened to me last week in Germany. His winglet edge cut the fabric of the end of my left wing. I flew home with tape on the hole and I am now in the process of estimate professional repairs at the cost of the German insurance company. Cheers, Michel Verheughe Norway Kitfox 3 - Jabiru Do not archive ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 12:49:37 PM PST US From: Lynn Matteson Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Off topic...Top Gun Shucks, ya ruined the ending for me, John....now when I watch it for the 6th time, I'll already know the ending....but wait, if I wait about a week, I'll have forgotten and it'll be new all over again.:) Lynn Matteson Grass Lake, Michigan Kitfox IV Speedster w/Jabiru 2200 flying w/275+ hrs do not archive On May 7, 2007, at 1:54 AM, John Allen wrote: > "Flyboys" looks like a remake of many of > its scenes, but with unrealistic computerized > dogfights and pilots able to yell to each other in > flight. Have only seen it once, so don't know how > realistic the story is or about the SE-5a's, > Nieuports, and Fokkers. Sad ending - the main guy > never flies again. > > > John Allen KF IV Speedster 912UL, @ O70 CA > > Do not archive > > ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 01:15:12 PM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: [ Steve Magdic ] : New Email List Photo Share Available! From: Email List Photo Shares A new Email List Photo Share is available: Poster: Steve Magdic Lists: Kitfox-List Subject: Model 3/4 Snow Ski Mounting http://www.matronics.com/photoshare/steve.magdic@1psg.com.05.07.2007/index.html ---------------------------------------------------------- o Main Photo Share Index http://www.matronics.com/photoshare o Submitting a Photo Share If you wish to submit a Photo Share of your own, please include the following information along with your email message and files: 1) Email List or Lists that they are related to: 2) Your Full Name: 3) Your Email Address: 4) One line Subject description: 5) Multi-line, multi-paragraph description of topic: 6) One-line Description of each photo or file: Email the information above and your files and photos to: pictures@matronics.com ---------------------------------------------------------- ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 02:30:12 PM PST US From: GONER752@aol.com Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: 582 vibration Ray, I have the 582 grey head, with a c-drive and 3 bladed GSC. I have to echo the others, the 582 vibrates terribly at idle, or just above,(2000-3000). Although, it is smooth at top end. I would definitely suspect a prop related problem, unbalanced, unequal pitich, etc. Good luck and let us know. Greg G. Macedon, N.Y. 23NK n375KL Mod 2 582 ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 05:30:27 PM PST US From: "Rex & Jan Shaw" Subject: Kitfox-List: Vibration Hi ! Ray, you wrote :- I have a kitfox lit squared 2 which is the same as a Classic IV. I have about 2 hours on it and the engine seems to vibrate and excessive amount. I have no experience with this combination and would like to know if it is normal. Ray McKinley 582 blue head with 2 blade GSC prop and tri gear I have a Kitfox MKIV/582 with 3 blade Ivo and 3:1 box. Mine is really smooth above 3,000 and sometimes below but generally I try not to go there. Several times I have had comments about how smooth it runs. My suggestion would be to check engine mounting is all tight and the motor is not touching any fixed part like the mount etc except through the rubber mounts of course. Next check the prop is properly setup, balanced, same pitch on each blade and again it is tight. Next check the carbs are balanced. I am about lost for ideas after that. Rex from Australia. rexjan@bigpond.com ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 05:52:29 PM PST US From: "Ray B. McKinley" Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: 582 vibration Hi Guy I checked the pitch setting today and found that it is =BD degree off one side is 17 degrees and the other it 17.5 degrees I also rechecked the rpm this weekend and found that the static ground speed was 6800 rpm so I set the pitch a little steeper at 18 degrees on both blades to see if that lowers the static rpm to 6200 and helps with the vibration. I will let you know how it turns out and thanks for all the input from everyone. All good info Ray McKinley 582-C 3 to 1 GSC 2 blade prop being adjusted _____ From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Guy Buchanan Sent: Monday, May 07, 2007 10:25 AM Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: 582 vibration At 05:42 AM 5/7/2007, you wrote: The engine smoothes out at 3000 RPM but the vibration is there at a small amplitude. As the RPM increases the vibration gets more and more pronounced. I am near Livingston CA . It sounds like the prop. I would check the blade length first, then pitch, at 75% of the blade length, then balance. Get it dynamically balanced if you can. There was a long discussion of this subject recently so check the archives. The Warp owners had problems with twist variations between blades. I don't remember anything being said about GSC. If you're still unsure by June 8 I'd be glad to stop by on my way to Lowell's. I've got a 582 powered IV, but it has a three blade Warp. It vibrates too, but the pitch has been checked and the prop dynamically balanced so it's as good as it's going to get. (The vibration doesn't track RPM until above about 6000 RPM, though.) Let me know. Guy Buchanan San Diego, CA K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 100% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar. ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 05:55:20 PM PST US From: "Clem Nichols" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: 582 vibration Guy: Where did you get your Warp Drive Prop dynamically balanced? I spoke with one the fellows at Warp Drive, and he said they balanced props statically. Thanks for your response. Clem Nichols Model IV1200 Subaru EA81 Munfordville, Ky. ----- Original Message ----- From: Guy Buchanan To: kitfox-list@matronics.com Sent: Monday, May 07, 2007 12:25 PM Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: 582 vibration At 05:42 AM 5/7/2007, you wrote: The engine smoothes out at 3000 RPM but the vibration is there at a small amplitude. As the RPM increases the vibration gets more and more pronounced. I am near Livingston CA . It sounds like the prop. I would check the blade length first, then pitch, at 75% of the blade length, then balance. Get it dynamically balanced if you can. There was a long discussion of this subject recently so check the archives. The Warp owners had problems with twist variations between blades. I don't remember anything being said about GSC. If you're still unsure by June 8 I'd be glad to stop by on my way to Lowell's. I've got a 582 powered IV, but it has a three blade Warp. It vibrates too, but the pitch has been checked and the prop dynamically balanced so it's as good as it's going to get. (The vibration doesn't track RPM until above about 6000 RPM, though.) Let me know. Guy Buchanan San Diego, CA K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 100% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar. ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 06:58:18 PM PST US From: Gerald Jantzi Subject: Kitfox-List: 912 ul throtlle choke cabel assembly I am still trying to get information on what I should order an from where. need throttle ,choke cable Assembly . need everything from cockpit to carburetors. for kitfox 5 with rotax 912ul. is there any model 5 drivers that can give me some input. thanks gerry --------------------------------- TV dinner still cooling? Check out "Tonight's Picks" on Yahoo! TV. ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 07:39:07 PM PST US From: "Rexster" Subject: Kitfox-List: 912 ul throtlle choke cabel assembly Gerry, First place to look for parts for your Kitfox would be John McBean an d friends over at the Kitfox factory. Great people with lots of knowled ge and parts for our planes. Do you need their contact information? Rex in Michigan Model 3 / 912UL / Warp Drive / 570 hours Do not archive -- Gerald Jantzi wrote: I am still trying to get information on what I should order an from wher e. need throttle ,choke cable Assembly . need everything from cockpit to carburetors. for kitfox 5 with rotax 912ul. is there any model 5 driver s that can give me some input. thanks gerry TV dinner still cooling? ======================== ======================== ======================== ======================== ======================== =============

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   First place to look for parts for your Kitfox would be J ohn McBean and friends over at the Kitfox factory. Great  peop le with lots of knowledge and parts for our planes. Do you need their co ntact information?

Rex in Michigan
Model 3 / 912UL / Warp Drive / 570 hours
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________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 08:21:20 PM PST US From: Guy Buchanan Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: 582 vibration At 05:54 PM 5/7/2007, you wrote: >Where did you get your Warp Drive Prop dynamically balanced? I >spoke with one the fellows at Warp Drive, and he said they balanced >props statically. Thanks for your response. A local FBO did it. Cruisair in Ramona. Most large FBO's have the capability to dynamically balance, it's fairly common for spam cans. A warning, though. It's expensive, (~$200,) and I noticed little difference. I think if you do a really good and conscientious static balance you'll be fine. Guy Buchanan San Diego, CA K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 100% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message kitfox-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Kitfox-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/kitfox-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/kitfox-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.