---------------------------------------------------------- Kitfox-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Tue 05/08/07: 28 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 01:12 AM - High Altitude (avtar412) 2. 02:01 AM - Re: wing tanks and fuel lines Classic 4 (avtar412) 3. 03:45 AM - Re: 582 vibration (W & R Beck) 4. 06:32 AM - Re: wing tanks and fuel lines Classic 4 (Lynn Matteson) 5. 07:15 AM - Re: 582 Vibration (Napier, Mark) 6. 07:49 AM - Re: wing tanks and fuel lines Classic 4 () 7. 08:12 AM - Re: wing tanks and fuel lines Classic 4 () 8. 08:16 AM - Re: Re: wing tanks and fuel lines Classic 4 () 9. 08:46 AM - request for help () 10. 09:23 AM - Re: 912 ul throtlle choke cabel assembly (alnanarthur) 11. 10:04 AM - M10x1 motor mount bolts. (kaufjm@AOL.COM) 12. 11:32 AM - Re: M10x1 motor mount bolts. (alnanarthur) 13. 11:37 AM - European Kitfoxes (Michel Verheughe) 14. 11:37 AM - Re: M10x1 motor mount bolts. (Barry West) 15. 02:33 PM - Re: request for help (kirk hull) 16. 02:58 PM - Re: High Altitude (kitfoxmike) 17. 02:59 PM - Re: request for help (Jim_and_Lucy Chuk) 18. 04:11 PM - Re: request for help (akflyer) 19. 05:18 PM - Re: 582 vibration (tc9008@aol.com) 20. 05:25 PM - Re: 582 vibration (Herbert R Gottelt) 21. 05:26 PM - Re: wing tanks and fuel lines Classic 4 (Paul Kates) 22. 05:33 PM - Re: 912 ul throtlle choke cabel assembly (Paul Kates) 23. 05:54 PM - Re: Re: High Altitude (Rick) 24. 06:33 PM - Re: 912 ul throtlle choke cabel assembly (Dan Billingsley) 25. 06:45 PM - Re: wing tanks and fuel lines Classic 4 (Lynn Matteson) 26. 07:02 PM - Re: 912 ul throtlle choke cabel assembly (jdmcbean) 27. 08:00 PM - Re: request for help (ron schick) 28. 08:18 PM - Re: 912 ul throtlle choke cabel assembly (Andy Fultz) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 01:12:11 AM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: High Altitude From: "avtar412" Well, flew my fox over our near by mountain today, 9500ft. I was over the top in less than 15 min from takeoff. i have a turbocharged engine so didn't seem to have much drop off in performance up there and didn't feel washy on the controls at all? I shut the engine down on the decent and poked the nose over, no way would that prop turn, 2.2:1 PSRU. Was a real buzz experience as weather was CAVU and calm. John A. NZ Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=111525#111525 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 02:01:31 AM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: wing tanks and fuel lines Classic 4 From: "avtar412" Re the Kreem, I think most of the problem was not removing the waxy coating on the inside of the tanks. I used MEK to degrease before applying the Kreem and no sign of it lifting. John A. NZ Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=111527#111527 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 03:45:47 AM PST US From: "W & R Beck" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: 582 vibration Ray, I don't know why my GSC prop greyhead 582 is different but I use 23-2500 rpm when the engine is cold to get a smooth idle. Once it warms up it will easily go down to 2100 and idle there happily all day with very minimal vibration. You can almost count the prop blades going by. Below 2050 the shakes abruptly come in; my feeling is that the vibration is an engine/gearbox/prop/rotational mass thingy, and not something inherent to the 582 itself. I do know that I spent a lot of time when I built her getting the carbs synched together just so, so the slides were in the exact same position at idle and all the way through their throws. And that idle mixture was mapped and matched. Don't ask me how I did it as that was more than 10 years ago and my remembrance(?) is fuzzy. A lot of the tuning was done with very careful measurements and, above all, feel. The carb settings have never been changed since then other than main jet changes for the seasons. I have also spent quite a bit of time making sure the blades on my GSC were pitched evenly. The 582 can be a remarkably smooth engine, especially for a 600cc parallel twin with no counterbalancers. I remember that in my college days my 360cc Honda twin pretty much shook my kidneys to jelly on a cross country ride. You might want to check your carb slides and idle mixture screws and the position of the carb needles and size of the main jets; make sure none of them are way off or mismatched. Also check that the carbs are square to the engine. And check that your throttle cables are evenly pulling the slides up and down. Robert Beck Model IV 1050 w/582 Loaded but LIGHT ----- Original Message ----- From: Don Smythe To: kitfox-list@matronics.com Sent: Monday, May 07, 2007 1:55 PM Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: 582 vibration Ray, The 582 will run rough up to around 2500 or 3000. This is not what I would call vibration but just rough. Without actually feeling the problem it's hard to understand the difference between what might be rough or vibration. Also, the 2 blade versus 3 blade might be adding to the situation. Don Smythe Classic IV w/582 Newport News, Va. ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 06:32:29 AM PST US From: Lynn Matteson Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: wing tanks and fuel lines Classic 4 I've got 275+ hours on my Kreem'd tanks...no problems yet...and I'm using automotive SAE R7 or R9, can't recall which. Per Skystar's instructions, I thoroughly cleaned the tanks with acetone, then sloshed the tanks with Kreem. On my can of Kreem, the usual disclaimer can be found: "Not for use in aircraft...." Lynn Matteson Grass Lake, Michigan Kitfox IV Speedster w/Jabiru 2200 flying w/275+ hrs do not archive On May 7, 2007, at 11:51 AM, Leon Morris wrote: > I have read in Kitfox Builder of many problems with the fiberglass > tanks that have been sloshed with Kreem and fuel lines that are > actually hydraulic lines. Is this just with autogas use? Should I > get rid of them or use avgas only or try to find plastic tanks and > gas fuel lines? > > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List_- > ============================================================ _- > forums.matronics.com_- > =========================================================== ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 07:15:56 AM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: RE: 582 Vibration From: "Napier, Mark" I have a 582 with a GSC 3 blade and it vibrates too. I haven't found a good solution yet. Now I had a tough time getting my mixture right at low RPM's. The engine would load up and quit if I pulled back for too long. The answer was changing the idle jets. I went from 55 to 50 down to 45 before I got an acceptable idle. The engine will idle for as low as 1800 RPM. I don't idle it there but I can pull the engine all the way back while landing so it doesn't float like it did before. Even so, if I have to taxing around very much at an airport I have to occasionally run the engine up above 3000 to avoid fouling the plugs. - - - - - Appended by Scientific Atlanta, a Cisco company - - - - - This e-mail and any attachments may contain information which is confidential, proprietary, privileged or otherwise protected by law. The information is solely intended for the named addressee (or a person responsible for delivering it to the addressee). If you are not the intended recipient of this message, you are not authorized to read, print, retain, copy or disseminate this message or any part of it. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender immediately by return e-mail and delete it from your computer. ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 07:49:20 AM PST US From: Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: wing tanks and fuel lines Classic 4 Thanks for the info.I do have Kreem in the tanks and they do look good-no cracking.I thought the hose were the yellow Tygon that were the bad one so thanks for the.I found all the past articles on the subjects after I sent this--Leon ---- Don Smythe wrote: > Two different problems. The basic Kreem problem was due to the product cracking and coming loose in the tanks. This caused several owners to be forced into cleaning the tanks and re-sloshing. Do you have Kreem in your tanks? > The old fuel line problem was when Skystar supplied MIL-6000 black rubber hose in the kit. Auto fuel from some locations around the country would cause the MIL-6000 to swell shut. I'm almost certain that the new Kitfox folks do not supply that line anymore. If you have MIL-6000, simply throw it in the trash can and replace with auto hose of either SAE-R7 or SAE -R9 (fuel injection). I use clear Polyurethane from AC Spruce and it works just fine. The auto hose or Poly will work equally well with 100LL. > As far as going to plastic tanks, I think the jury is still out on what is the best choice if a replacement is necessary. If I "HAD" to change tanks right now I don't know what I would choose. > > Don Smythe > Classic IV w/582 > Newport News, Va. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Leon Morris > To: kitfox-list@matronics.com > Sent: Monday, May 07, 2007 11:51 AM > Subject: Kitfox-List: wing tanks and fuel lines Classic 4 > > > I have read in Kitfox Builder of many problems with the fiberglass tanks that have been sloshed with Kreem and fuel lines that are actually hydraulic lines. Is this just with autogas use? Should I get rid of them or use avgas only or try to find plastic tanks and gas fuel lines? > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 08:12:59 AM PST US From: Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: wing tanks and fuel lines Classic 4 Thanks for the info--found alll the old articles after I sent the E-mail.I will be checking out the Jabiru 2200 next.--Leon ---- Lynn Matteson wrote: > > I've got 275+ hours on my Kreem'd tanks...no problems yet...and I'm > using automotive SAE R7 or R9, can't recall which. Per Skystar's > instructions, I thoroughly cleaned the tanks with acetone, then > sloshed the tanks with Kreem. On my can of Kreem, the usual > disclaimer can be found: "Not for use in aircraft...." > > Lynn Matteson > Grass Lake, Michigan > Kitfox IV Speedster w/Jabiru 2200 > flying w/275+ hrs > do not archive > > On May 7, 2007, at 11:51 AM, Leon Morris wrote: > > > I have read in Kitfox Builder of many problems with the fiberglass > > tanks that have been sloshed with Kreem and fuel lines that are > > actually hydraulic lines. Is this just with autogas use? Should I > > get rid of them or use avgas only or try to find plastic tanks and > > gas fuel lines? > > > > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List_- > > ============================================================ _- > > forums.matronics.com_- > > =========================================================== > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 08:16:44 AM PST US From: Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: wing tanks and fuel lines Classic 4 Thanks,I appreciate the info.All the articles have been a real help--Leon ---- avtar412 wrote: > > Re the Kreem, I think most of the problem was not removing the waxy coating on the inside of the tanks. I used MEK to degrease before applying the Kreem and no sign of it lifting. John A. NZ > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=111527#111527 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 08:46:48 AM PST US From: Subject: Kitfox-List: request for help Is someone out there willing to measure the diameter of their "bump" style round cowl? I don't know whether I can fit it over my alternative engine (Corvair). I need the diameter of the front opening and the diameter of the rear where it passes over the engine cover (where it is fastened to the balance of the cowl). I contacted Kitfox directly but they weren't able to provide this info. (I'm sure they have their hands full) Anyone currently have their cowling off who could help? It would be much appreciated. Hate to order one, just to find out that I can't use it. (Builder) John Sandt / Kitfox 7 / Tri-gear / Corvair / BRS / Ridgecrest, CA ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 09:23:25 AM PST US From: alnanarthur Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: 912 ul throtlle choke cabel assembly On May 7, 2007, at 6:56 PM, Gerald Jantzi wrote: > I am still trying to get information on what I should order an from > where. need throttle ,choke cable Assembly . need everything from > cockpit to carburetors. for kitfox 5 with rotax 912ul. is there any > model 5 drivers that can give me some input. thanks gerry Sportplane LLC is Info@sportplanellc.com Kitfox LLC is info@kitfoxaircraft.com John McBean is john@kitfoxaircraft.com Debra McBean is debra@kitfoxaircraft.com and finally the telephone is 208 337-5111 and the fax is 208 337-5116 The web page is http://www.kitfoxaircraft.com/contact.htm ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 10:04:05 AM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: M10x1 motor mount bolts. From: kaufjm@AOL.COM I am re installing my 912ULS and have spent the last hour or so looking for the spesifications for the torque of the m10x1 motor mount bolts. Jon ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 11:32:34 AM PST US From: alnanarthur Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: M10x1 motor mount bolts. The rotax heavy maintenance specifies 35 Nm (310 in lb) for M10 bolts. I don't understand the length M10x1 that you mention. The short bolts that come with the shipping container are not to be used for installation. On mine the motor mount ring attaches to the engine with 3 bolts that are about 2 1/2 inches long and one that is about 5 inches long. Allan Arthur Kitfox 5, N40AA Rotax 912ULS, Warpdrive 3 blade Byron Airport, CA (C83) Hanger C8 On May 8, 2007, at 10:03 AM, kaufjm@aol.com wrote: > I am re installing my 912ULS and have spent the last hour or so > looking for the spesifications for the torque of the m10x1 motor > mount bolts. > Jon ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 11:37:50 AM PST US From: Michel Verheughe Subject: Kitfox-List: European Kitfoxes Hello guys, My Swedish friend Lars-Gran had first a web site for Swedish Kitfoxes. Later, he upgraded it to Scandinavian Kitfoxes. Now he has started European Kitfoxes. If you are European, please visit the site, maybe we'll organise one day a European Kitfox fly-in. The address is: http://www.kitfox.eu/ Cheers, Michel Verheughe Norway Kitfox 3 - Jabiru ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 11:37:54 AM PST US From: "Barry West" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: M10x1 motor mount bolts. Jon, call tech people at Lockwood, 863-655-6229. Barry West ----- Original Message ----- From: kaufjm@aol.com To: kitfox-list@matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2007 12:03 PM Subject: Kitfox-List: M10x1 motor mount bolts. I am re installing my 912ULS and have spent the last hour or so looking for the spesifications for the torque of the m10x1 motor mount bolts. Jon ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 02:33:39 PM PST US From: "kirk hull" Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: request for help I would be happy to but mine has been stretched to fit over a sub. -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of josandt@verizon.net Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2007 10:44 AM Subject: Kitfox-List: request for help Is someone out there willing to measure the diameter of their "bump" style round cowl? I don't know whether I can fit it over my alternative engine (Corvair). I need the diameter of the front opening and the diameter of the rear where it passes over the engine cover (where it is fastened to the balance of the cowl). I contacted Kitfox directly but they weren't able to provide this info. (I'm sure they have their hands full) Anyone currently have their cowling off who could help? It would be much appreciated. Hate to order one, just to find out that I can't use it. (Builder) John Sandt / Kitfox 7 / Tri-gear / Corvair / BRS / Ridgecrest, CA ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 02:58:18 PM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: High Altitude From: "kitfoxmike" Yup, these little birds are real nice. I've taken mine up to 11000 without trouble. I like taking off from my field, which is at 2000ft agl and turn out at the end of the runway and climb to 1000ft agl to clear the hill(2900agl) off to the right, am usually at 1000 agl by the time I go over the radio towers. The breath taker is when I'm at a field that is in a hole and I take off, level after take off and get the speed up to 80 ias and pull up and turn out, generally 45 bank, Zoom up and over the trees, very fun. -------- kitfoxmike model IV, 1200 speedster 912ul building RV7a slowbuild wings, fuse Do not archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=111668#111668 ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 02:59:40 PM PST US From: "Jim_and_Lucy Chuk" Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: request for help Not sure if this will help as I don't know if different models are all the same size, but the cowl on my Kitfox 3 project measures aprox 28" diameter and the front opening is 13 1/2" wide X 15 1/2" high. Jim Chuk Avid Mk IV northern Mn. >From: >To: kitfox-list@matronics.com >Subject: Kitfox-List: request for help >Date: Tue, 08 May 2007 10:43:37 -0500 (CDT) > > >Is someone out there willing to measure the diameter of their "bump" style >round cowl? I don't know whether I can fit it over my alternative engine >(Corvair). I need the diameter of the front opening and the diameter of the >rear where it passes over the engine cover (where it is fastened to the >balance of the cowl). I contacted Kitfox directly but they weren't able to >provide this info. (I'm sure they have their hands full) Anyone currently >have their cowling off who could help? It would be much appreciated. Hate >to order one, just to find out that I can't use it. (Builder) > >John Sandt / Kitfox 7 / Tri-gear / Corvair / BRS / Ridgecrest, CA > > _________________________________________________________________ More photos, more messages, more storageget 2GB with Windows Live Hotmail. ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 04:11:43 PM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: request for help From: "akflyer" Just measured a Mk II and the opening in the front was 13 1/4" and 26" at the back of the cowl. You would only have about 25" usable in the cowling. Others have used the round cowl but had to glass in a couple bumps for the front cylinders. -------- Leonard Perry Soldotna AK Avid "C" / Mk IV 582 IVO IFA Full Lotus 1260 95% complete Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=111690#111690 ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 05:18:06 PM PST US Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: 582 vibration From: tc9008@aol.com I have a 582 c box and gsc props. My primer was leaking fuel by and it made my mixture rich enough to idle rough. New primer did the trick. Disconnect the primer and stop up all outlets on primer and carbs, maybe it will idle smooth Travis -----Original Message----- From: trevorkebb@earthlink.net Sent: Mon, 7 May 2007 9:59 PM Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: 582 vibration Ray, I don't know why my GSC prop greyhead 582 is different but I use 23-2500 rpm when the engine is cold to get a smooth idle. Once it warms up it will easily go down to 2100 and idle there happily all day with very minimal vibration. You can almost count the prop blades going by. Below 2050 the shakes abruptly come in; my feeling is that the vibration is an engine/gearbox/prop/rotational mass thingy, and not something inherent to the 582 itself. I do know that I spent a lot of time when I built her getting the carbs synched together just so, so the slides were in the exact same position at idle and all the way through their throws. And that idle mixture was mapped and matched. Don't ask me how I did it as that was more than 10 years ago and my remembrance(?) is fuzzy. A lot of the tuning was done with very careful measurements and, above all, feel. The carb settings have never been changed since then other than main jet changes for the seasons. I have also spent quite a bit of time making sure the blades on my GSC were pitched evenly. The 582 can be a remarkably smooth engine, especially for a 600cc parallel twin with no counterbalancers. I remember that in my college days my 360cc Honda twin pretty much shook my kidneys to jelly on a cross country ride. You might want to check your carb slides and idle mixture screws and the position of the carb needles and size of the main jets; make sure none of them are way off or mismatched. Also check that the carbs are square to the engine. And check that your throttle cables are evenly pulling the slides up and down. Robert Beck Model IV 1050 w/582 Loaded but LIGHT ----- Original Message ----- From: Don Smythe Sent: Monday, May 07, 2007 1:55 PM Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: 582 vibration Ray, The 582 will run rough up to around 2500 or 3000. This is not what I would call vibration but just rough. Without actually feeling the problem it's hard to understand the difference between what might be rough or vibration. Also, the 2 blade versus 3 blade might be adding to the situation. Don Smythe Classic IV w/582 Newport News, Va. ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 05:25:05 PM PST US From: Herbert R Gottelt Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: 582 vibration I read that some of you have vibration problems with your 582 engines, and you are suspecting propeller imbalance. If everything else fails you may want to invest in a gadget called Propeller and Engine Balancers, called "Propeller Balance Master" sold thru > Leading Edge Air Foils,LLC.< I ran across their ad in their free ROTAX Parts catalog, on sale for $60. My 912UL engine fortunately does not need it, but they advertize it for 582's. 1-800-532-3462. www.leadingedgeairfoils.com This looks cheaper than a $200 dynamic balance job. Hope this may help somebody! Herb Gottelt M4-1200, 912UL Mount Prospect, IL Guy Buchanan wrote :At 05:54 PM 5/7/2007, you wrote: Where did you get your Warp Drive Prop dynamically balanced? I spoke with one the fellows at Warp Drive, and he said they balanced props statically. Thanks for your response. A local FBO did it. Cruisair in Ramona. Most large FBO's have the capability to dynamically balance, it's fairly common for spam cans. A warning, though. It's expensive, (~$200,) and I noticed little difference. I think if you do a really good and conscientious static balance you'll be fine. Guy Buchanan San Diego, CA K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 100% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar. ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 05:26:19 PM PST US Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: wing tanks and fuel lines Classic 4 From: "Paul Kates" Another problem to consider is ethanol in auto fuel. Ethanol will disolve some sloshing compounds and will also swell the rubber on many essential components such as fuel lines and older style rubber tipped float valves on Bing carbs. Here in Texas the State mandates that all auto fuel be at least 10% ethanol. The only other source for straight auto fuel in Texas is marine fuel. ________________________________ From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com on behalf of Lynn Matteson Sent: Tue 5/8/2007 8:33 AM Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: wing tanks and fuel lines Classic 4 I've got 275+ hours on my Kreem'd tanks...no problems yet...and I'm using automotive SAE R7 or R9, can't recall which. Per Skystar's instructions, I thoroughly cleaned the tanks with acetone, then sloshed the tanks with Kreem. On my can of Kreem, the usual disclaimer can be found: "Not for use in aircraft...." Lynn Matteson Grass Lake, Michigan Kitfox IV Speedster w/Jabiru 2200 flying w/275+ hrs do not archive On May 7, 2007, at 11:51 AM, Leon Morris wrote: > I have read in Kitfox Builder of many problems with the fiberglass > tanks that have been sloshed with Kreem and fuel lines that are > actually hydraulic lines. Is this just with autogas use? Should I > get rid of them or use avgas only or try to find plastic tanks and > gas fuel lines? > > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List_- > ========== _- > forums.matronics.com_- > ========= ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 05:33:05 PM PST US Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: 912 ul throtlle choke cabel assembly From: "Paul Kates" Sky Star previously sold the throtle assembly, Mine is a common vernier throtle that I cut to fit. It only has to reach the spliting mechanism. Choke assemblies can be had at various motorcycle shops that sell models with two carbs, or look for a motorcycle parts supply on the internet for a split choke assembly... mine needs replacing as well so I'll let you know what I find. ________________________________ From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com on behalf of alnanarthur Sent: Tue 5/8/2007 11:23 AM Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: 912 ul throtlle choke cabel assembly On May 7, 2007, at 6:56 PM, Gerald Jantzi wrote: I am still trying to get information on what I should order an from where. need throttle ,choke cable Assembly . need everything from cockpit to carburetors. for kitfox 5 with rotax 912ul. is there any model 5 drivers that can give me some input. thanks gerry Sportplane LLC is Info@sportplanellc.com Kitfox LLC is info@kitfoxaircraft.com John McBean is john@kitfoxaircraft.com Debra McBean is debra@kitfoxaircraft.com and finally the telephone is 208 337-5111 and the fax is 208 337-5116 The web page is http://www.kitfoxaircraft.com/contact.htm ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 05:54:37 PM PST US From: "Rick" Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re: High Altitude With O2, I took my turbo subaru to 17,900 and she would have kept going. Still had a 500FPM climb going. What was even a better Kodak pic was the GPS showing 165GS. That didn't last when I made the turn back......long decent for sure. Still glad I did it that once. I called mid field at that altitude at L35. No one said a word. Probably thought someone was just messing around. Rick -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of kitfoxmike Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2007 2:58 PM Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: High Altitude Yup, these little birds are real nice. I've taken mine up to 11000 without trouble. I like taking off from my field, which is at 2000ft agl and turn out at the end of the runway and climb to 1000ft agl to clear the hill(2900agl) off to the right, am usually at 1000 agl by the time I go over the radio towers. The breath taker is when I'm at a field that is in a hole and I take off, level after take off and get the speed up to 80 ias and pull up and turn out, generally 45 bank, Zoom up and over the trees, very fun. -------- kitfoxmike model IV, 1200 speedster 912ul building RV7a slowbuild wings, fuse Do not archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=111668#111668 ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 06:33:08 PM PST US From: Dan Billingsley Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: 912 ul throtlle choke cabel assembly Due to the recent development of the light sport RV-12, Van's Aircraft has developed what looks to be a solid choke pull for the cockpit. The new -12 is using the Rotax 912s. I just got a brief look at it, but it is said to make the pull a little easier...I'm looking into it. FWIW Dan B Mesa, AZ Kitfox IV , Building Paul Kates wrote: Sky Star previously sold the throtle assembly, Mine is a common vernier throtle that I cut to fit. It only has to reach the spliting mechanism. Choke assemblies can be had at various motorcycle shops that sell models with two carbs, or look for a motorcycle parts supply on the internet for a split choke assembly... mine needs replacing as well so I'll let you know what I find. ________________________________ From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com on behalf of alnanarthur Sent: Tue 5/8/2007 11:23 AM Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: 912 ul throtlle choke cabel assembly On May 7, 2007, at 6:56 PM, Gerald Jantzi wrote: I am still trying to get information on what I should order an from where. need throttle ,choke cable Assembly . need everything from cockpit to carburetors. for kitfox 5 with rotax 912ul. is there any model 5 drivers that can give me some input. thanks gerry Sportplane LLC is Info@sportplanellc.com Kitfox LLC is info@kitfoxaircraft.com John McBean is john@kitfoxaircraft.com Debra McBean is debra@kitfoxaircraft.com and finally the telephone is 208 337-5111 and the fax is 208 337-5116 The web page is http://www.kitfoxaircraft.com/contact.htm ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 06:45:06 PM PST US From: Lynn Matteson Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: wing tanks and fuel lines Classic 4 Except for about 3 gallons of mogas in an emergency, I've stuck to 100LL for all of the life of my Jabiru engine. They allow mogas after 50 hours, but this means having to deal with lugging gas at some airports, so I'd rather use the 100LL and be done with it. Lynn Matteson Grass Lake, Michigan Kitfox IV Speedster w/Jabiru 2200 flying w/275+ hrs On May 8, 2007, at 8:21 PM, Paul Kates wrote: > Another problem to consider is ethanol in auto fuel. Ethanol will > disolve some sloshing compounds and will also swell the rubber on > many essential components such as fuel lines and older style rubber > tipped float valves on Bing carbs. Here in Texas the State > mandates that all auto fuel be at least 10% ethanol. The only > other source for straight auto fuel in Texas is marine fuel. > > ________________________________ > > From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com on behalf of Lynn > Matteson > Sent: Tue 5/8/2007 8:33 AM > To: kitfox-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: wing tanks and fuel lines Classic 4 > > > > I've got 275+ hours on my Kreem'd tanks...no problems yet...and I'm > using automotive SAE R7 or R9, can't recall which. Per Skystar's > instructions, I thoroughly cleaned the tanks with acetone, then > sloshed the tanks with Kreem. On my can of Kreem, the usual > disclaimer can be found: "Not for use in aircraft...." > > Lynn Matteson > Grass Lake, Michigan > Kitfox IV Speedster w/Jabiru 2200 > flying w/275+ hrs ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 07:02:26 PM PST US From: "jdmcbean" Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: 912 ul throtlle choke cabel assembly We also offer a simple choke design that works very well Fly Safe !! John & Debra McBean 208.337.5111 www.kitfoxaircraft.com "It's not how Fast... It's how Fun!" -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Dan Billingsley Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2007 7:32 PM Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: 912 ul throtlle choke cabel assembly Due to the recent development of the light sport RV-12, Van's Aircraft has developed what looks to be a solid choke pull for the cockpit. The new -12 is using the Rotax 912s. I just got a brief look at it, but it is said to make the pull a little easier...I'm looking into it. FWIW Dan B Mesa, AZ Kitfox IV , Building Paul Kates wrote: Sky Star previously sold the throtle assembly, Mine is a common vernier throtle that I cut to fit. It only has to reach the spliting mechanism. Choke assemblies can be had at various motorcycle shops that sell models with two carbs, or look for a motorcycle parts supply on the internet for a split choke assembly... mine needs replacing as well so I'll let you know what I find. ________________________________ From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com on behalf of alnanarthur Sent: Tue 5/8/2007 11:23 AM Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: 912 ul throtlle choke cabel assembly On May 7, 2007, at 6:56 PM, Gerald Jantzi wrote: I am still trying to get information on what I should order an from where. need throttle ,choke cable Assembly . need everything from cockpit to carburetors. for kitfox 5 with rotax 912ul. is there any model 5 drivers that can give me some input. thanks gerry Sportplane LLC is Info@sportplanellc.com Kitfox LLC is info@kitfoxaircraft.com John McBean is john@kitfoxaircraft.com Debra McBean is debra@kitfoxaircraft.com and finally the telephone is 208 337-5111 and the fax is 208 337-5116 The web page is http://www.kitfoxaircraft.com/contact.htm PM ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 08:00:19 PM PST US From: "ron schick" Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: request for help John heres a picture or two of the glasswork to make a redrive VW fit. It was bulky looking at first, but looks great on the field now. Ron NB Ore MK IV Speedster, 1915cc VW, 1.6:1 redrive, 72" Ivo ~60 hours >From: >To: kitfox-list@matronics.com >Subject: Kitfox-List: request for help >Date: Tue, 08 May 2007 10:43:37 -0500 (CDT) > > >Is someone out there willing to measure the diameter of their "bump" style >round cowl? I don't know whether I can fit it over my alternative engine >(Corvair). I need the diameter of the front opening and the diameter of the >rear where it passes over the engine cover (where it is fastened to the >balance of the cowl). I contacted Kitfox directly but they weren't able to >provide this info. (I'm sure they have their hands full) Anyone currently >have their cowling off who could help? It would be much appreciated. Hate >to order one, just to find out that I can't use it. (Builder) > >John Sandt / Kitfox 7 / Tri-gear / Corvair / BRS / Ridgecrest, CA > > _________________________________________________________________ Like the way Microsoft Office Outlook works? Youll love Windows Live Hotmail. ________________________________ Message 28 ____________________________________ Time: 08:18:33 PM PST US From: "Andy Fultz" Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: 912 ul throtlle choke cabel assembly John, Can't find it on your web page catalog. Where is it? Andy -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of jdmcbean Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2007 9:01 PM To: kitfox-list@matronics.com Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: 912 ul throtlle choke cabel assembly We also offer a simple choke design that works very well Fly Safe !! John & Debra McBean 208.337.5111 www.kitfoxaircraft.com "It's not how Fast... It's how Fun!" -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Dan Billingsley Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2007 7:32 PM To: kitfox-list@matronics.com Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: 912 ul throtlle choke cabel assembly Due to the recent development of the light sport RV-12, Van's Aircraft has developed what looks to be a solid choke pull for the cockpit. The new -12 is using the Rotax 912s. I just got a brief look at it, but it is said to make the pull a little easier...I'm looking into it. FWIW Dan B Mesa, AZ Kitfox IV , Building Paul Kates wrote: Sky Star previously sold the throtle assembly, Mine is a common vernier throtle that I cut to fit. It only has to reach the spliting mechanism. Choke assemblies can be had at various motorcycle shops that sell models with two carbs, or look for a motorcycle parts supply on the internet for a split choke assembly... mine needs replacing as well so I'll let you know what I find. ________________________________ From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com on behalf of alnanarthur Sent: Tue 5/8/2007 11:23 AM To: kitfox-list@matronics.com Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: 912 ul throtlle choke cabel assembly On May 7, 2007, at 6:56 PM, Gerald Jantzi wrote: I am still trying to get information on what I should order an from where. need throttle ,choke cable Assembly . need everything from cockpit to carburetors. for kitfox 5 with rotax 912ul. is there any model 5 drivers that can give me some input. thanks gerry Sportplane LLC is Info@sportplanellc.com Kitfox LLC is info@kitfoxaircraft.com John McBean is john@kitfoxaircraft.com Debra McBean is debra@kitfoxaircraft.com and finally the telephone is 208 337-5111 and the fax is 208 337-5116 The web page is http://www.kitfoxaircraft.com/contact.htm - The Kitfox-List Email Forum - --> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List - NEW MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - --> http://forums.matronics.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message kitfox-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Kitfox-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/kitfox-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/kitfox-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.