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1. 02:54 AM - test-disregard (fox5flyer)
2. 07:59 AM - Re: Don Pearsall Race (Michael Logan)
3. 08:38 AM - 912UL starting problems. (Paul)
4. 05:03 PM - Flap Creep (crazyivan)
5. 05:42 PM - Re: Flap Creep (Lynn Matteson)
6. 06:27 PM - Re: Re: WING TIPS (Noel Loveys)
7. 06:54 PM - Re: Re: WING TIPS (Leonard Perry)
8. 07:32 PM - Need wings for a Kitfox IV -1050 (Marwynne Kuhn)
9. 07:41 PM - Re: Flap Creep (wingnut)
10. 08:26 PM - Re: Re: alcoholic gas tanks-structural? ()
11. 09:56 PM - Re: Re: alcoholic gas tanks-structural? (Lowell Fitt)
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test
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| Subject: | Don Pearsall Race |
I see a Donald Duck sticker but no Kitfox?
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From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Don Pearsall
Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2007 12:08 PM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Don Pearsall Race
Hmmm, the pic did not come through. Trying again.
Don Pearsall
Sound Appraisal
Seattle, WA USA
425-392.4627
FAX 425-557-0107
donpearsall@comcast.net
http://www.soundappraisal.com <http://www.soundappraisal.com/>
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From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Don Pearsall
Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2007 7:41 AM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Don Pearsall Race
Sorry for the off-topic. Hope the admins don't kick me off!
Lynn, the bike is a sit-on bike, just like a normal one, but much modified
for speed. Here is a pic.
Don Pearsall
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mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Lynn Matteson
Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2007 4:07 AM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Don Pearsall Race
Good Lord...news from the dry lakes! Thanks for the update, Deke.
Congrats, Don. Is this a lay-down style, or enclosed/streamlined bike?
Lynn Matteson
Grass Lake, Michigan
Kitfox IV Speedster w/Jabiru 2200
flying w/275+ hrs
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On May 10, 2007, at 7:41 AM, fox5flyer wrote:
> Hey Listers, this is just a quick announcement that Don Pearsall,
> my List-Admin partner (now both of us retired) has just returned
> from El Mirage after running his 500hp Suzuki at 229.844mph beating
> the old record of 217mph that stood for 7 years. Whahooo!
>
> Deke Morisse
> N148DM
> S5/Soob/CAP
> NE Michigan
>
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| Subject: | 912UL starting problems. |
Looking for input on 912 that I can't get started. It was off the airframe
for a year geting a new mount. The ignition system is what I could use the
input on. I have wet plugs. I have checked the ignition switiches, ohmed the
triger coils (3.4). I can't find other checks on the boxes. It has not poped
once. It's turning over fast and I did jump it also.
Paul N102DG
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On my Model IV Speedster, when I put my flaps at zero and work the ailreons back
and forth they will creep to the first notch (5 deg). When flying I'll manually
push the flap handle to zero and I can feel the aerodynamic forces try to
push them to the first notch.
Is my flap handle mis-rigged and zero flaps is actually at the first notch? Can
anything else be wrong?
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Dave
Speedster 912 UL
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=112496#112496
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The friction nut may be loose, and the flaps may not be aligned with
the wing. Did you build the wooden jigs as outlined in the builder's
manual? The jigs help to align the centerline of the flaps with the
underside of the wing, and at the correct distance *from* that
underside.
Lynn Matteson
Grass Lake, Michigan
Kitfox IV Speedster w/Jabiru 2200
flying w/275+ hrs
On May 12, 2007, at 8:03 PM, crazyivan wrote:
>
> On my Model IV Speedster, when I put my flaps at zero and work the
> ailreons back and forth they will creep to the first notch (5
> deg). When flying I'll manually push the flap handle to zero and I
> can feel the aerodynamic forces try to push them to the first notch.
>
> Is my flap handle mis-rigged and zero flaps is actually at the
> first notch? Can anything else be wrong?
>
> --------
> Dave
> Speedster 912 UL
>
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Leonard:
I'll get you the dimensions and a couple of photos in the morning. Sorry I
was away for a while.
I haven't flown without the fin and I do think it would make a considerable
difference. There are several planes that use additional fins when the
floats are installed and they all work to help the plane to fly straight.
Noel Loveys, RPP, AME intern
Campbellton, Newfoundland,
Canada
Kitfox Mod III-A, 582, B box, Ivo IFA
Aerocet 1100s
<mailto:noelloveys@yahoo.ca> noelloveys@yahoo.ca
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of xfire
> Sent: Sunday, May 06, 2007 12:28 PM
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: WING TIPS
>
>
> <leonard.perry@acsalaska.net>
>
> Noel,
> This is a bit off topic, but have you flown with and without
> the ventral fin on your fox ? I am thinking of building one
> for my Avid if it really helps as much as I think it will.
> Can you get the basic dimensions of the fin for me?
>
> Thanks
>
> --------
> Leonard Perry
> Soldotna AK
> Avid "C / Mk IV"
> 582 Full lotus 1260
> 90% rebuilt
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=111144#111144
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Need wings for a Kitfox IV -1050 |
I had a off field landing with my Kitfox IV-1050 about two weeks ago.
I just pulled the covering off and found the front spars on both wings
damaged. I am looking for some wings for my bird. I have found a set
of wings from a Model III Kitfox. I don't know if they will work!
If anyone knows of a set of wing kit that was purchased that was not
completed or partial complete for sale please let me know.
Just so incite in to my off field landing. The cause of the problem
was the rubber boot that holds the carburetor . This boot split while
I was taking off. I was at 500 feet and didn't have room to turn
around and land at the airport.
I think if Rotax would put cloth or Kevlar mesh in the rubber boot
this off field landing would have been prevented. The rubber split and
I lost all vacuum and the engine quit. The boots had been inspected
at the last annual . There was evidence of a problem at that time.
If any of you know of some wings for sale , please email me.
Marwynne Kuhn
Marwynne@verizon.net
Thanks
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I have the exact same behavior in my model 4. In my case, there are no 'notches'
for the flap lever so it's just held in place by friction. If I notice that
the flap lever is creeping up (never more than a half inch), I'll push it back
down to the stops. However, I've never been able to discern any change in the
trim or airspeed when I do this so I've never really worried about it. Any feedback
would be appreciated.
> On my Model IV Speedster, when I put my flaps at zero and work the ailreons back
and forth they will creep to the first notch (5 deg). When flying I'll manually
push the flap handle to zero and I can feel the aerodynamic forces try to
push them to the first notch.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=112518#112518
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| Subject: | Re: alcoholic gas tanks-structural? |
Re: Steve "Airedale" Winder's plastic replacement tanks and the alcoholic fuel
issue ... From the dialogue that followed this strand, it appears that perhaps
the best strategy regarding replacement of wing tanks is to mount the plastic
tanks inside the fiberglass tanks (ensuring that IF there is a structural component
to the tanks, it's covered). And paint the wings white to keep the temperature
low, although I'm not sure that's a real issue. If anyone can find a weak
point in this strategy, I'd like to hear it.
...Steve, I'll be wanting tanks for that second wing...
>The diagrams tend to indicate a structural component to the
>tank, essentially replacing the drag-anti-drag tubes in that area.
>It is true that the tanks could possibly act as drag braces in >their bays. It
is also true that some amount of drag bracing is >required, though it is not
clear how much. You really are >in "experimental land". I hope that if you can't
prove the new >tanks are at least as strong as the old that you'll use some
kind >of parachute for the initial envelope expansion.
John Sandt / 7 Tri-gear / Corvair / BRS / Ridgecrest, CA
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| Subject: | Re: alcoholic gas tanks-structural? |
John,
I feel a little reluctant to join in this discussion. Consider this my
opinion only. And I only respond because of some of the modifications I
made during my build due to the influence of some of the dicscusions on the
builders list then, that I later regretted. I have come to have a pretty
profound respect for the designers of our airplanes.
With over 4000 reported Kitfoxes flying and the Kreem issues originating
with two or three instances of peeling on what by consensus seems to be
poorly prepared tank surfaces before the Kreem application, and not a single
report to date of problems with the 7% to 10% ethanol in current fuels -
fuel lines excepted - (that I am aware of), I wonder, why spend the $$ and
worry about wing engineering.
I have been soaking several Kreem coated balsa wood floats in California
formulated auto gas (7%, by my tests) and denatured alcohol - 93% ethanol by
the label and have seen no evidence at all that the Kreem is being
attacked - start date 10/01/2006 (only 7-1/2 months and counting, but still
significant - the floats have been taken periodically up to a virtual 14,000
ft. in a bell jar - weekly at first, but occasionally since). Vinyl Ester
resin - supposedly what the underground tanks are made of - affected, yes,
but Kreem no. The Kreem coating remains hard (no softening) it has it's
original sheen and has not discolored. In my opinion Kreem is good stuff if
applied correctly. For info, the purpose of the tests is to determine the
long term integrity of the Kreem coating, as a sinking float is not a float
at all. The Kreem has to be 100% intact in practice, as when an airplane
climbs to altitude the float will degass in the reduced air pressure if
there is any breach in the coating and then when back on the ground the
higher pressure there will force fuel into the float through the breach,
eventually saturating the float and destroying its buoyancy.
I do understand the build process and the relative ease of making
adjustments before rather than after airplane completion.
Without a doubt, however you decide to do it, it will be valuable to the
Kitfox community, because it will provide a real life application of this
idea and we will all learn from it.
Lowell Fitt P.S. The Cameron Park Fly-in is on June 9th.
It would be nice to have you here.
http://cameronparkkitfox.com
Cameron Park, CA
Model IV-1200 R-912 UL Warp
1998 850 hrs.
----- Original Message -----
From: <josandt@verizon.net>
Sent: Saturday, May 12, 2007 8:24 PM
Subject: Re: Re: Kitfox-List: alcoholic gas tanks-structural?
>
> Re: Steve "Airedale" Winder's plastic replacement tanks and the alcoholic
> fuel issue ... From the dialogue that followed this strand, it appears
> that perhaps the best strategy regarding replacement of wing tanks is to
> mount the plastic tanks inside the fiberglass tanks (ensuring that IF
> there is a structural component to the tanks, it's covered). And paint the
> wings white to keep the temperature low, although I'm not sure that's a
> real issue. If anyone can find a weak point in this strategy, I'd like to
> hear it.
> ...Steve, I'll be wanting tanks for that second wing...
>
>>The diagrams tend to indicate a structural component to the
>>tank, essentially replacing the drag-anti-drag tubes in that area.
>>It is true that the tanks could possibly act as drag braces in >their
>>bays. It is also true that some amount of drag bracing is >required,
>>though it is not clear how much. You really are >in "experimental land". I
>>hope that if you can't prove the new >tanks are at least as strong as the
>>old that you'll use some kind >of parachute for the initial envelope
>>expansion.
>
> John Sandt / 7 Tri-gear / Corvair / BRS / Ridgecrest, CA
>
>
>
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