---------------------------------------------------------- Kitfox-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Tue 05/15/07: 14 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 05:23 AM - Re: Brakes little to none (Tom Jones) 2. 06:51 AM - Re: Speedster features giving it higher speeds (Guy Buchanan) 3. 09:10 AM - Re: Re: KitFox IV wing questions (George Michaels) 4. 09:23 AM - Pitot/Static tube () 5. 09:28 AM - Re: KitFox IV wing questions (Tom Jones) 6. 12:49 PM - Re: Pitot/Static tube (Lynn Matteson) 7. 01:01 PM - Re: Re: Brakes little to none (Barry West) 8. 03:22 PM - Re: Pitot/Static tube () 9. 03:37 PM - Re: Pitot/Static tube (Lynn Matteson) 10. 07:01 PM - Kitfox V in Cameron Park California Area (Steven Janicki) 11. 07:28 PM - Re: Kitfox V in Cameron Park California Area (jdmcbean) 12. 07:37 PM - Re: Pitot/Static tube (A Smith) 13. 07:52 PM - Re: Brakes little to none (Noel Loveys) 14. 08:17 PM - Re: Pitot/Static tube (Noel Loveys) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 05:23:40 AM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Brakes little to none From: "Tom Jones" Is the problem soft peddles or do the brakes just not hold well? New brake pads need to broken in by applying a little pressure to them while taxing. I can't remember the specifics so maybe someone can help here. -------- Tom Jones Classic IV, Phase one 503, Warp Ellensburg, WA Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=112909#112909 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 06:51:40 AM PST US From: Guy Buchanan Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Speedster features giving it higher speeds At 04:39 PM 5/14/2007, you wrote: >Here is something I scanned that offers a good description of what >differs between the Speedster and the rest of the earlier airplanes. Paul, Thanks for this post. When I get my "Kitfox Flying Guide" back I'll try to put together a Matronix Wiki entry covering the various models and history which people can update at will. Guy Buchanan San Diego, CA K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 100% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar. Do not archive ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 09:10:08 AM PST US From: George Michaels Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: KitFox IV wing questions When you state cut 18" off the wings are you meaning 18" off each wing or?? George Tom Jones wrote: Don, there are only two different Kitfox wing designs. The model 1, 2, and 3 used the under cambered wing. Starting with the model 4 the wings are the Harry Riblett airfoil. It is pretty close to flat on the bottom. To make it a speedster you clip 18 inches off. It has been refered to as laminar flow. Avoid that debate like the plague. It is builders choice on the airfoiled tail surfaces. Some do all, some do some and some do none. The IV 1200 airframe has larger tubing than the 1050. Mostly in the spar carry through tubes in the fuselage. The kitfox marketing materials of that time period stated the kitfox in the aerobatic video did not have a modified airframe. They also made a point of recommending you not try this at home. -------- Tom Jones Classic IV, Phase one 503, Warp Ellensburg, WA Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=112818#112818 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 09:23:39 AM PST US From: Subject: Kitfox-List: Pitot/Static tube Has anyone out there replaced or originally install a pitot/static tube instead of the original one supplied by Skystar? Also, what would be the best way to install my speedster wing tips so I could easily remove themnut plates or anchor nuts a good idea? What are Pk screws? Ref e-mail on wings and speedster, my classic model 4 speedster does not have any elevator trim at all. Wish it did, not an option. -- Leon ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 09:28:17 AM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: KitFox IV wing questions From: "Tom Jones" > When you state cut 18" off the wings are you meaning 18" off each wing or?? 18" off each wing which is one rib bay. The standard (long wing) wing span is 32 ft. The speedster is 29 ft. -------- Tom Jones Classic IV, Phase one 503, Warp Ellensburg, WA Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=112953#112953 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 12:49:14 PM PST US From: Lynn Matteson Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Pitot/Static tube I used the pitot tube from Spruce...p/n 15135...the L-shaped one...works fine. I had to glue a wider piece of wood under the capstrip in order for the mounting screws to have something to bite into. I installed my wingtips with two-lug anchor nuts, flat head machine screws and tinnerman washers...8-32's as I recall...10 screws on top, and 10 on the bottom. Lynn Matteson Grass Lake, Michigan Kitfox IV Speedster w/Jabiru 2200 flying w/275+ hrs On May 15, 2007, at 12:22 PM, wrote: > > Has anyone out there replaced or originally install a pitot/static > tube instead of the original one supplied by Skystar? Also, what > would be the best way to install my speedster wing tips so I could > easily remove themnut plates or anchor nuts a good idea? What are > Pk screws? Ref e-mail on wings and speedster, my classic model 4 > speedster does not have any elevator trim at all. Wish it did, not > an option. -- Leon > > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 01:01:31 PM PST US From: "Barry West" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Brakes little to none Tom, if your Kitfox is a taildragger you might not want too much brakes. My brakes won't hold for a mag check, I have to do it on the run, but I am less worried about going over on the nose. Barry West ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Jones" Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2007 7:23 AM Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Brakes little to none > > Is the problem soft peddles or do the brakes just not hold well? New > brake pads need to broken in by applying a little pressure to them while > taxing. I can't remember the specifics so maybe someone can help here. > > -------- > Tom Jones > Classic IV, Phase one > 503, Warp > Ellensburg, WA > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=112909#112909 > > > ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 03:22:50 PM PST US From: Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Pitot/Static tube Thanks for the info.How do you like the Jabiru 2200? Thinking about using it for my project. Leon Morris/Classic 4 Sptr/50%/Flower Mound ,TX ---- Lynn Matteson wrote: > > I used the pitot tube from Spruce...p/n 15135...the L-shaped > one...works fine. I had to glue a wider piece of wood under the > capstrip in order for the mounting screws to have something to bite > into. > I installed my wingtips with two-lug anchor nuts, flat head machine > screws and tinnerman washers...8-32's as I recall...10 screws on top, > and 10 on the bottom. > > Lynn Matteson > Grass Lake, Michigan > Kitfox IV Speedster w/Jabiru 2200 > flying w/275+ hrs > > > On May 15, 2007, at 12:22 PM, wrote: > > > > > Has anyone out there replaced or originally install a pitot/static > > tube instead of the original one supplied by Skystar? Also, what > > would be the best way to install my speedster wing tips so I could > > easily remove themnut plates or anchor nuts a good idea? What are > > Pk screws? Ref e-mail on wings and speedster, my classic model 4 > > speedster does not have any elevator trim at all. Wish it did, not > > an option. -- Leon > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 03:37:34 PM PST US From: Lynn Matteson Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Pitot/Static tube I love it, although I'm having some minor problems that nobody else seems to be having. Search the archives for the last 7-10 days on the Matronics JabiruEngine-List for the details. I especially like the simple, no coolant, no prop adjustment, slow- turning, direct-drive, single carb, features of the Jabiru. It might come up a bit short on power, but for flying and building simplicity, you can't beat it. Lynn Matteson Grass Lake, Michigan Kitfox IV Speedster w/Jabiru 2200 flying w/275+ hrs On May 15, 2007, at 6:22 PM, wrote: > > Thanks for the info.How do you like the Jabiru 2200? Thinking about > using it for my project. Leon Morris/Classic 4 Sptr/50%/Flower > Mound ,TX > ---- Lynn Matteson wrote: >> >> I used the pitot tube from Spruce...p/n 15135...the L-shaped >> one...works fine. I had to glue a wider piece of wood under the >> capstrip in order for the mounting screws to have something to bite >> into. >> I installed my wingtips with two-lug anchor nuts, flat head machine >> screws and tinnerman washers...8-32's as I recall...10 screws on top, >> and 10 on the bottom. >> >> Lynn Matteson >> Grass Lake, Michigan >> Kitfox IV Speedster w/Jabiru 2200 >> flying w/275+ hrs >> >> >> On May 15, 2007, at 12:22 PM, wrote: >> >>> >>> Has anyone out there replaced or originally install a pitot/static >>> tube instead of the original one supplied by Skystar? Also, what >>> would be the best way to install my speedster wing tips so I could >>> easily remove themnut plates or anchor nuts a good idea? What are >>> Pk screws? Ref e-mail on wings and speedster, my classic model 4 >>> speedster does not have any elevator trim at all. Wish it did, not >>> an option. -- Leon >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 07:01:34 PM PST US From: Steven Janicki Subject: Kitfox-List: Kitfox V in Cameron Park California Area Hello, I am in the Market to Purchase a Kitfox V Vixen to fly under LSA Rules and I am hoping to find someone near the Cameron Park, California (O61) area with whom I can take a flight with. I also work in the Bay Area and can fly out of San Carlos (KSQL) if someone in that area can accommodate my request. Regards, Steven http://answers.yahoo.com/dir/?link=list&sid=396545469 ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 07:28:42 PM PST US From: "jdmcbean" Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Kitfox V in Cameron Park California Area Hey Steven, Come on up to Idaho.. Not too bad a drive or flight Fly Safe !! John & Debra McBean 208.337.5111 www.kitfoxaircraft.com "It's not how Fast... It's how Fun!" -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Steven Janicki Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2007 8:00 PM Subject: Kitfox-List: Kitfox V in Cameron Park California Area Hello, I am in the Market to Purchase a Kitfox V Vixen to fly under LSA Rules and I am hoping to find someone near the Cameron Park, California (O61) area with whom I can take a flight with. I also work in the Bay Area and can fly out of San Carlos (KSQL) if someone in that area can accommodate my request. Regards, Steven _____ Looking for a deal? Find great prices on flights and hotels with Yahoo! FareChase. 10:47 AM ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 07:37:01 PM PST US From: "A Smith" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Pitot/Static tube I used a static/pitot tube from Sprue. Seems to work fine. Albert Smith Mod5 TD, NSI T, Cap140 ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 07:52:07 PM PST US From: "Noel Loveys" Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Brakes little to none Lynn that is the most efficient way to bleed any brake system including those with integrated reservoirs. Noel Loveys, RPP, AME intern Campbellton, Newfoundland, Canada Kitfox Mod III-A, 582, B box, Ivo IFA Aerocet 1100s noelloveys@yahoo.ca Do not archive > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of > Lynn Matteson > Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2007 12:17 AM > To: kitfox-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Brakes little to none > > > > Just filling them SHOULD be enough, but the bottom line is to > be sure > there are no air bubbles in the lines...this is what causes the > weakness, in my opinion. If you ever run out of fluid while pumping, > you have just pumped in some air and will have to start pumping > again. Do you have clear/translucent lines? The bubbles will > be white > and the fluid red, so it should be easy to tell where the air is. As > far as the overflowing goes, just stop pumping and check > occasionally, and if getting too full draw some fluid out of the > reservoir with a syringe. I have an oil can that I use for > filling my > system, and when I have pumped in about 45 squirts, it is time to > dump the reservoir, load up the oil can and go at it again. > And every > time you take the flex hose off the bleeder nipple (if you ever have > to), make sure that when it goes back on, there is no air...only > fluid...at the end of the hose, or you will be putting that air into > the system. From that standpoint, using as large a pumper as you can > find, will eliminate that problem. > One more thing...if you can see the entire brake line circuit when > you are pumping the fluid into the bleeder nipple, you will be able > to tell when the system is free of any bubbles. And don't > forget that > when a bubble disappears into the master cylinders, that's not the > end of your job. It must leave the master cylinder and continue it's > way up to the reservoir before it will return to the atmosphere and > leave you with a "solid" hydraulic system. > The preceding assumes that you have the Cleveland cylinders which > utilize the single separate fluid reservoir. I don't know anything > about the master cylinders with the integrated reservoirs. > > Do you have dual brakes? > > Lynn Matteson > Grass Lake, Michigan > Kitfox IV Speedster w/Jabiru 2200 > flying w/275+ hrs > > On May 14, 2007, at 7:56 PM, pilotpat wrote: > > > > > I have little to no brakes now. pumped in fluid from bottom up > > twice till overflowed and still very weak. any suggestions > on problem > > > > Also forgot to mention a while back that N821PK had 1st flight on > > April 10 2007 > > > > > > -------- > > Pilotpat > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 08:17:02 PM PST US From: "Noel Loveys" Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Pitot/Static tube Pk screws are the coarse thread sheet metal screws they sometimes use in duct work. Some guys use them to hold the inspection plates in the floors or their Cessnas. There are tinnerman nuts that give a pretty good hold with PK screws. I wouldn't consider structural use for them. Go with anchor nuts or tinnerman nuts with structural screws for the wing tips. What would you say if you saw one or your wingtips deplane before coming to a complete stop in front of the hangar??...at 5000'agl??? Noel Loveys, RPP, AME intern Campbellton, Newfoundland, Canada Kitfox Mod III-A, 582, B box, Ivo IFA Aerocet 1100s noelloveys@yahoo.ca > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of > l.morris@tx.rr.com > Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2007 1:53 PM > To: kitfox-list@matronics.com > Subject: Kitfox-List: Pitot/Static tube > > > > Has anyone out there replaced or originally install a > pitot/static tube instead of the original one supplied by > Skystar? Also, what would be the best way to install my > speedster wing tips so I could easily remove them-nut plates > or anchor nuts a good idea? What are Pk screws? Ref e-mail on > wings and speedster, my classic model 4 speedster does not > have any elevator trim at all. Wish it did, not an option. -- Leon > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message kitfox-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Kitfox-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/kitfox-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/kitfox-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.