Kitfox-List Digest Archive

Thu 05/17/07


Total Messages Posted: 33



Today's Message Index:
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     1. 03:25 AM - Grove Landing Gear (fox5flyer)
     2. 05:11 AM - floats (Don and Dianne Usher)
     3. 05:29 AM - Re: gas cap not venting? (Barry West)
     4. 06:50 AM - Re: floats (akflyer)
     5. 07:21 AM - Re: Kitfox V in Cameron Park California Area (Randy Daughenbaugh)
     6. 09:19 AM - KitFox wheel base? (Don G)
     7. 10:50 AM - Re: Grove Landing Gear (kitfoxmike)
     8. 10:57 AM - Re: KitFox wheel base? (Lynn Matteson)
     9. 11:53 AM - Re: Re: Grove Landing Gear (Michel Verheughe)
    10. 12:24 PM - Re: KitFox wheel base? (Zimmermans)
    11. 12:54 PM - Re: Grove Landing Gear (kitfoxmike)
    12. 01:19 PM - Rotax 582 failure (semi off-topic) (Michel Verheughe)
    13. 01:31 PM - Re: KitFox wheel base? (john oakley)
    14. 01:39 PM - Ogden foxes (john oakley)
    15. 01:57 PM - Re: Ogden foxes (kerrjohna@comcast.net)
    16. 02:29 PM - Re: Re: Grove Landing Gear (Allan Aaron)
    17. 02:33 PM - Re: KitFox wheel base? (Don G)
    18. 02:36 PM - Re: Ogden foxes (john oakley)
    19. 03:33 PM - Re: Re: KitFox wheel base? (Lynn Matteson)
    20. 04:13 PM - Re: Ogden foxes (darinh)
    21. 04:31 PM - Re: Ogden foxes (Dan Billingsley)
    22. 04:37 PM - Re: Re: Ogden foxes (Dan Billingsley)
    23. 04:42 PM - Re: Ogden foxes (Dan Billingsley)
    24. 04:46 PM - Re: Re: Ogden foxes (john oakley)
    25. 04:47 PM - Re: Re: KitFox wheel base? (john oakley)
    26. 04:59 PM - Re: Re: Ogden foxes (take 2) (Dan Billingsley)
    27. 05:00 PM - Re: Ogden foxes (fox5flyer)
    28. 05:07 PM - Re: Ogden foxes (john oakley)
    29. 06:23 PM - Re: KitFox wheel base? (Don G)
    30. 06:28 PM - Re: Brakes little to none (pilotpat)
    31. 07:31 PM - Re: gas cap not venting? (Malcolmbru@aol.com)
    32. 08:09 PM - Re: Re: KitFox wheel base? (john oakley)
    33. 08:19 PM - Fw: Let's Go For It! (jerry evans)
 
 
 


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    Time: 03:25:58 AM PST US
    From: "fox5flyer" <fox5flyer@idealwifi.net>
    Subject: Grove Landing Gear
    Robert, the 912 prop combo should be a good setup for your IV, but just out of curiosity, what is it about the tube gear that you aren't happy with? Deke Morisse N148DM S5/Soob/CAP NE Michigan I am building a 4-1200 with a Rotax 912UL IVO medium In-Flt adj. prop. I have the standard tube gear installed and am not too happy with it. Does anyone have a Grove Gear available they would like to get rid of??? Robert S. Toth rtoth1@verizon.net Woodbridge, Virginia


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    Time: 05:11:19 AM PST US
    From: "Don and Dianne Usher" <denver7@xplornet.com>
    Subject: floats
    I am installing full lotus floats on my kf 111, and leaving the gear legs in place. What is the diameter of the axle. Have to drill the main gear support fitting. Don


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    Time: 05:29:32 AM PST US
    From: "Barry West" <barry@pgtc.com>
    Subject: Re: gas cap not venting?
    MessageOn my Model IV the tube is steel, may be stainless but probably plated after welding along with the cap. And it is welded, I can remove and/or tighten the cap by torqueing the tube and see the weld bead. It is not soldered. Barry West ----- Original Message ----- From: Noel Loveys To: kitfox-list@matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 6:43 PM Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: gas cap not venting? Mal are you sure the tube is stainless? it may be chrome plated copper tube soldered not welded into the cap. I bought a regular cap last year removed all the plastic stuff and the sealing gasket inside, drilled a hole in it and soldered in a chrome plated copper tube normally used as a toilet feed stem. when I was finished I cut the tube to length and bent it forward into the airflow. Of course I re installed the gasket. Noel Loveys, RPP, AME intern Campbellton, Newfoundland, Canada Kitfox Mod III-A, 582, B box, Ivo IFA Aerocet 1100s noelloveys@yahoo.ca Do not archive -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Malcolmbru@aol.com Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 8:32 AM To: kitfox-list@matronics.com Subject: Kitfox-List: gas cap not venting? wear can I find another gas cap? mine are made by Eaton with a stainless steel tub welded to it. mal ------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- See what's free at AOL.com. href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List">http://www.matron href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com


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    Time: 06:50:10 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: floats
    From: "akflyer" <akflyer_2000@yahoo.com>
    .750" Post up some pics of the install. I am getting ready to put a set of 1260's on my Avid. -------- Leonard Perry Soldotna AK Avid &quot;C&quot; / Mk IV 582 IVO IFA Full Lotus 1260 95% complete Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=113309#113309


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    Time: 07:21:59 AM PST US
    From: "Randy Daughenbaugh" <rjdaugh@rapidnet.com>
    Subject: Kitfox V in Cameron Park California Area
    My Series 5 qualifies for Sport pilot. I assigned the gross weight a value of 1320 lbs. As builder, I can do that. It has an empty weight of 776 lbs. My wife and I can go on trips and carry a reasonable amount of luggage with no problems. Randy Randy Daughenbaugh, N10NH Black Hills of South Dakota, - Near Mount Rushmore Home Strip, Grass Room in Hangar for visitors Series 5/7 (7 Firewall Forward) 912S, Warp Drive Taper Tip Gross Weight 1320 lbs, Flying since November 2004 _____ From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dacha Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 6:54 AM Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Kitfox V in Cameron Park California Area Steven, The Kitfox 5's do not qualify for sport pilot. The original ones gross weight was 1400, then later went to 1550, mine is 1500. Only the 4's will meet the gross weight limits. Sorry, LeRoy Kitfox 5 594JD


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    Time: 09:19:18 AM PST US
    Subject: KitFox wheel base?
    From: "Don G" <donghe@one-eleven.net>
    Gents...first, I want to thank all the fellas who responded to my earlier questions on the wings. Absolutely wonderful data! Next question is...what is the length of a Kitfox between the mains and the tail wheel? IN other words, how long of a trailer deck is needed to haul a KitFox Series IV speedster? Also, is it recommended to trailer a KitFox with the tail weight sitting on the tail wheel when folded? for 500 miles? or is there some other method of supporting the wings? OR supporting the rear of the fuse? Will the front attachment fitting on the wings take this also? Thx in advance ! -------- Don G. Central Illinois FireFly#098 Luscombe 8A http://www.geocities.com/dagger369th/my_firefly.htm Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=113363#113363


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    Time: 10:50:59 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Grove Landing Gear
    From: "kitfoxmike" <customtrans@qwest.net>
    ...and what do you have against the Grove gear? -------- kitfoxmike model IV, 1200 speedster 912ul building RV7a slowbuild wings, fuse Do not archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=113393#113393


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    Time: 10:57:09 AM PST US
    From: Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net>
    Subject: Re: KitFox wheel base?
    I hauled my very much incomplete 'fox 1300 miles on a converted boat trailer (2-leaf springs on the trailer). The trailer was for a light boat of the fishing variety, not a speedboat for the whole family. The ride for the plane should be smooth. With the wings folded, there will be too much weight on the rear wheel. There is a cross-tube near the rear wheel, that is used for a support of some fashion, and it keeps the weight off the rear wheel while it is on the trailer. I did not know this at the time I did my big haul back here. It is best, I believe, to elevate the fuse so it rides somewhat level. My wings rode on the trailer alongside the fuselage, cushioned with foam. I hauled my plane from Texas to Michigan with just the weight of the fuselage on the tailwheel, as I said, no wings, no tailfeathers, and my tailwheel spring eventually broke after a few months of flying it. I don't know whether the 1300-mile ride caused that breakage or not, but it couldn't have helped the situation. You should see about making, or buying from John McBean, a set of the front wing spar supports. Lynn Matteson Grass Lake, Michigan Kitfox IV Speedster w/Jabiru 2200 flying w/275+ hrs On May 17, 2007, at 12:18 PM, Don G wrote: > > Gents...first, I want to thank all the fellas who responded to my > earlier questions on the wings. Absolutely wonderful data! > > Next question is...what is the length of a Kitfox between the mains > and the tail wheel? > IN other words, how long of a trailer deck is needed to haul a > KitFox Series IV speedster? > Also, is it recommended to trailer a KitFox with the tail weight > sitting on the tail wheel when folded? > for 500 miles? > or is there some other method of supporting the wings? > OR supporting the rear of the fuse? > Will the front attachment fitting on the wings take this also? > > Thx in advance ! > > -------- > Don G.


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    Time: 11:53:04 AM PST US
    From: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
    Subject: Re: Grove Landing Gear
    On May 17, 2007, at 7:49 PM, kitfoxmike wrote: > ...and what do you have against the Grove gear? Guys, the original tubular gear is fine. The aluminium Grove gear is probably stronger. Please, don't start a flame about it. Incidentally, a Norwegian friend crashed his Avid Flyer last Sunday. He lost power of his Rotax 582 and had to make an emergency landing in a field. But the ground was more uneven than it looked like from up there and he broke his tubular gear and went nose down in the earth. He is unarmed but his plane is badly damaged. I have asked him permission to send his photo of the open 582 to this list and when I get it, I'll show you how a 582 can get badly damaged in flight. In my opinion, if he had a Grove gear, it would probably have saved at least the plane. But hindsight is always very easy. Cheers, Michel Verheughe Norway Kitfox 3 - Jabiru 2200 do not archive


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    Time: 12:24:59 PM PST US
    From: "Zimmermans" <jezim@pro-ns.net>
    Subject: Re: KitFox wheel base?
    >From the center of the tailwheel axel to the center of the main axel is 14 feet on my series 5 with spring gear. Jim Zimmerman Stillwater MN. Under construction. 0-200 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Don G" <donghe@one-eleven.net> Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2007 11:18 AM Subject: Kitfox-List: KitFox wheel base? > > Gents...first, I want to thank all the fellas who responded to my earlier > questions on the wings. Absolutely wonderful data! > > Next question is...what is the length of a Kitfox between the mains and > the tail wheel? > IN other words, how long of a trailer deck is needed to haul a KitFox > Series IV speedster? > Also, is it recommended to trailer a KitFox with the tail weight sitting > on the tail wheel when folded? > for 500 miles? > or is there some other method of supporting the wings? > OR supporting the rear of the fuse? > Will the front attachment fitting on the wings take this also? > > Thx in advance ! > > -------- > Don G. > Central Illinois > FireFly#098 > Luscombe 8A > > http://www.geocities.com/dagger369th/my_firefly.htm > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=113363#113363 > > > -- > 6:05 PM > >


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    Time: 12:54:39 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Grove Landing Gear
    From: "kitfoxmike" <customtrans@qwest.net>
    The only reason I said something is because anytime somebody wants a Grove gear... well you know where I'm going. Today I had a hard landing, not anything to do with me, but because I landed behind a helicopter that was doing touch and go's with hovering on the approach end of the runway. Well what happened is I come in like normal, the winds calm and I pull slight nose up for the flair, all was fine than all of the sudden the plane goes up, then with antisipation for what is to happen I hit some power at the same time the plane drops to the ground with a little yaw (not a wing drop) and flop onto the landing gear, no bounce. I feel If I had the tube gear the bungies would have broke, as it was the Grove gear kept on ticking. The tube gear is nice, a little lighter, but has it's limitations. The Grove gear will hold up to any abuse, within reason that is. Down side to the Grove gear, if you take off and the role out is too fast the wheels ,if out of balance, will bounce around a little bit. Upside to the Grove gear, no bungies to mess with on the annual. -------- kitfoxmike model IV, 1200 speedster 912ul building RV7a slowbuild wings, fuse Do not archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=113425#113425


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    Time: 01:19:42 PM PST US
    From: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
    Subject: Rotax 582 failure (semi off-topic)
    Gentlemen, this is not Kitfox business but since many of us fly behind a 582, I wonder if you could have a look at this. My friend flying an Avid Flyer lost his 582 in flight, as I said earlier. His engine is old, from 1990, it has a total of 340 hours but it has been serviced in 2002, including new crankshaft bearing, when the engine had 280 hours. Inspection of the engine by a Rotax mechanic shows that the aft cylinder conrod roller bearing was completely destroyed. The conrod was loosen from the crankshaft and the sump showed several cracks. The forward cylinder and conrod showed no damage and everything else was moving and well oiled. Here is a photo of the opened engine. Has anyone an idea of what could have gone wrong because the Norwegian mechanic has not a clue. Thanks in advance. Cheers, Michel Verheughe Norway Kitfox 3 - Jabiru 2200 do not archive


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    Time: 01:31:46 PM PST US
    From: "john oakley" <john@leptron.com>
    Subject: KitFox wheel base?
    Don, I have trailered my speedster on a 14 foot dual axel snowmobile trailer nose first several thousand miles. I would rather tow tail first but on 14 foot, you have to put prop over the tongue. Duel axel is best for chuck hole support the lighter the spring system is the better 500 miles is no big deal just watch for the big holes and ledges. Make sure there is no fuel on board and use the wing outer spar braces. If you intend to tow a lot, I would make a support for the tail tow inserts. I did see one fox break in front of the tail, but that is one out of how many? John Oakley -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Don G Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2007 10:19 AM Subject: Kitfox-List: KitFox wheel base? Gents...first, I want to thank all the fellas who responded to my earlier questions on the wings. Absolutely wonderful data! Next question is...what is the length of a Kitfox between the mains and the tail wheel? IN other words, how long of a trailer deck is needed to haul a KitFox Series IV speedster? Also, is it recommended to trailer a KitFox with the tail weight sitting on the tail wheel when folded? for 500 miles? or is there some other method of supporting the wings? OR supporting the rear of the fuse? Will the front attachment fitting on the wings take this also? Thx in advance ! -------- Don G. Central Illinois FireFly#098 Luscombe 8A http://www.geocities.com/dagger369th/my_firefly.htm Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=113363#113363


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    Time: 01:39:16 PM PST US
    From: "john oakley" <john@leptron.com>
    Subject: Ogden foxes
    Hi Guys, I have relocated my fox to the Ogden airport in Utah. Are there any others there? John Oakley


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    Time: 01:57:47 PM PST US
    From: kerrjohna@comcast.net
    Subject: Re: Ogden foxes
    John, I helped a guy on the east side with a yellow series 5 with IO240 engine a couple of years ago. I believe he is still there. A good friend, Steve Swensen has a Murphy Rebel at Ogden. His father is responsible for my aero addiction. The Swensen Kitfox 4-1200 flies out of Brigham. There are 3 fox's at Logan. John Kerr -------------- Original message -------------- From: "john oakley" <john@leptron.com> > > Hi Guys, > I have relocated my fox to the Ogden airport in Utah. Are there any others > there? > > John Oakley > > > > > > <html><body> <DIV>John, I helped a guy on the east side with a yellow series 5 with IO240 engine a couple of years ago.&nbsp; I believe he is still there. A good friend, Steve Swensen has a Murphy Rebel at Ogden.&nbsp; His father is responsible for my aero addiction. The Swensen Kitfox 4-1200 flies out of Brigham.&nbsp; There are 3 fox's at Logan.</DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV>John Kerr</DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> RUMS - <pre><b><font size=2 color="#000000" face="courier new,courier"> </b></font></pre></body></html>


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    Time: 02:29:47 PM PST US
    From: "Allan Aaron" <aaaron@tvp.com.au>
    Subject: Re: Grove Landing Gear
    While folks are relaying stories about how their grove gear has saved them, i'll add mine. I had an engine fail on my avid speedwing on take off a few months ago when I was around 60' up with only a few hundred feet of runway left. I had to land HARD to get it back down before I hit the trees. I am absolutely convinced that if I still had the tube gear I would have done substantial damage to my plane. No doubt in my mind. The $1200 I spent on the gear saved me much more than that in repairs. allan -----Original Message----- From: "kitfoxmike" <customtrans@qwest.net> Sent: 18/05/07 4:16 AM Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Grove Landing Gear ...and what do you have against the Grove gear? -------- kitfoxmike model IV, 1200 speedster 912ul building RV7a slowbuild wings, fuse Do not archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=113393#113393


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    Time: 02:33:37 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: KitFox wheel base?
    From: "Don G" <donghe@one-eleven.net>
    I dont plan to haul it ever again, If I buy it, it will live in a nice cushy hangar. I have a 16ft tandem flatbed utility...7000 gvw...about 1200 empty and I am aware that this is sprung a tad stiff for airplane duty. But so far, it might be my only choice. I have lots of tractor weights I might add to ease the ride. Dunno yet. I now see that at least it will fit on the deck....barely. I am looking for a better option still. What are these wing supports and how do they work? Do they attach to the airframe? I have seen mention of removeing the wings entirely and stowing them. Will they fit in the length under the plane between the mains and the tailwheel? Ailerons would probably need to come off to do this? -------- Don G. Central Illinois FireFly#098 Luscombe 8A http://www.geocities.com/dagger369th/my_firefly.htm Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=113450#113450


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    Time: 02:36:51 PM PST US
    From: "john oakley" <john@leptron.com>
    Subject: Ogden foxes
    Thanks John, I will start looking everyone up. How's your 4 flying? I think, you guys have more foxes than Idaho, something wrong about that.. Its good to hear from you. I have moved to Morgan, marring a gal that is a Professor at Webber state. john _____ From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of kerrjohna@comcast.net Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2007 2:57 PM Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Ogden foxes John, I helped a guy on the east side with a yellow series 5 with IO240 engine a couple of years ago. I believe he is still there. A good friend, Steve Swensen has a Murphy Rebel at Ogden. His father is responsible for my aero addiction. The Swensen Kitfox 4-1200 flies out of Brigham. There are 3 fox's at Logan. John Kerr RUMS -


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    Time: 03:33:41 PM PST US
    From: Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net>
    Subject: Re: KitFox wheel base?
    Maybe lower the tire pressure on the plane to practically nothing, support the tailwheel on old sofa cushions or an old overstuffed chair. You might look like the Beverly Hillbillies, but who cares? The wing supports go from the attach point of the wing's front spar down to one of the tabs on the fuselage. You can build them as crude as you'd like for a "one-shot" deal, maybe even hammering out the ends of pipe, instead of welding in a nice tab. I'm sending you a picture of mine on separate mailing. Lynn Matteson Grass Lake, Michigan Kitfox IV Speedster w/Jabiru 2200 flying w/275+ hrs do not archive On May 17, 2007, at 5:33 PM, Don G wrote: > > I dont plan to haul it ever again, If I buy it, it will live in a > nice cushy hangar. > I have a 16ft tandem flatbed utility...7000 gvw...about 1200 empty > and I am aware that this is sprung a tad stiff for airplane duty. > But so far, it might be my only choice. I have lots of tractor > weights I might add to ease the ride. Dunno yet. > I now see that at least it will fit on the deck....barely. > I am looking for a better option still. > > What are these wing supports and how do they work? Do they attach > to the airframe? > I have seen mention of removeing the wings entirely and stowing > them. Will they fit in the length under the plane between the mains > and the tailwheel? > Ailerons would probably need to come off to do this? > > -------- > Don G.


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    Time: 04:13:57 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Ogden foxes
    From: "darinh" <gerns25@netscape.net>
    John, I am in Kaysville (15 minutes south of Ogden) and had my Model III based at Ogden before I sold it. I am now building a Series 7 in my shop at my house. I think I have talked to you before. Darin Hawkes Series 7 (in process) 914 UL Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=113470#113470


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    Time: 04:31:57 PM PST US
    From: Dan Billingsley <dan@azshowersolutions.com>
    Subject: Re: Ogden foxes
    John (and the Utah Foxes), My wife and I will be spending the last week of June in Provo. I would like to come by and see your birds. I'm currently building a IV / 912s and very close to covering the fuselage. Dan & Wendy Mesa, AZ john oakley <john@leptron.com> wrote: Hi Guys, I have relocated my fox to the Ogden airport in Utah. Are there any others there? John Oakley


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    Time: 04:37:15 PM PST US
    From: Dan Billingsley <dan@azshowersolutions.com>
    Subject: Re: Ogden foxes
    test do not archive darinh <gerns25@netscape.net> wrote: John, I am in Kaysville (15 minutes south of Ogden) and had my Model III based at Ogden before I sold it. I am now building a Series 7 in my shop at my house. I think I have talked to you before. Darin Hawkes Series 7 (in process) 914 UL Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=113470#113470


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    Time: 04:42:53 PM PST US
    From: Dan Billingsley <dan@azshowersolutions.com>
    Subject: Ogden foxes
    Is anyone getting any information with these replys? For the last couple days when I look at my posts, I see nothing. Any clues? Dan john oakley <john@leptron.com> wrote: v\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);} o\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);} w\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);} .shape {behavior:url(#default#VML);} st1\:*{behavior:url(#default#ieooui) } Thanks John, I will start looking everyone up Hows your 4 flying? I think, you guys have more foxes than Idaho, something wrong about that.. Its good to hear from you. I have moved to Morgan, marring a gal that is a Professor at Webber state. john --------------------------------- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of kerrjohna@comcast.net Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2007 2:57 PM Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Ogden foxes John, I helped a guy on the east side with a yellow series 5 with IO240 engine a couple of years ago. I believe he is still there. A good friend, Steve Swensen has a Murphy Rebel at Ogden. His father is responsible for my aero addiction. The Swensen Kitfox 4-1200 flies out of Brigham. There are 3 fox's at Logan. John Kerr RUMS - http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List http://forums.matronics.com


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    Time: 04:46:15 PM PST US
    From: "john oakley" <john@leptron.com>
    Subject: Re: Ogden foxes
    Darin, I believe we have talked before, I am happy boy again; I have someone in the area to talk "fox" with. I would like to see your project sometime. Ogden seems to be a good place to fly out of. I was a bit worried about the airspace but found it easier that expected. john -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of darinh Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2007 5:13 PM Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Ogden foxes John, I am in Kaysville (15 minutes south of Ogden) and had my Model III based at Ogden before I sold it. I am now building a Series 7 in my shop at my house. I think I have talked to you before. Darin Hawkes Series 7 (in process) 914 UL Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=113470#113470


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    Time: 04:47:09 PM PST US
    From: "john oakley" <john@leptron.com>
    Subject: Re: KitFox wheel base?
    Don, How soon are you going to move the plane? John O -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Don G Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2007 3:33 PM Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: KitFox wheel base? I dont plan to haul it ever again, If I buy it, it will live in a nice cushy hangar. I have a 16ft tandem flatbed utility...7000 gvw...about 1200 empty and I am aware that this is sprung a tad stiff for airplane duty. But so far, it might be my only choice. I have lots of tractor weights I might add to ease the ride. Dunno yet. I now see that at least it will fit on the deck....barely. I am looking for a better option still. What are these wing supports and how do they work? Do they attach to the airframe? I have seen mention of removeing the wings entirely and stowing them. Will they fit in the length under the plane between the mains and the tailwheel? Ailerons would probably need to come off to do this? -------- Don G. Central Illinois FireFly#098 Luscombe 8A http://www.geocities.com/dagger369th/my_firefly.htm Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=113450#113450


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    Time: 04:59:58 PM PST US
    From: Dan Billingsley <dan@azshowersolutions.com>
    Subject: Re: Ogden foxes (take 2)
    trying this reply again :>) John (and the Utah Foxes), My wife and I will be spending the last week of June in Provo. I would like to come by and see your birds. I'm currently building a IV / 912s and very close to covering the fuselage. e- me direct at dan at azshowersolutions dot com Dan & Wendy Mesa, AZ john oakley <john@leptron.com> wrote: Darin, I believe we have talked before, I am happy boy again; I have someone in the area to talk "fox" with. I would like to see your project sometime. Ogden seems to be a good place to fly out of. I was a bit worried about the airspace but found it easier that expected. john -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of darinh Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2007 5:13 PM Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Ogden foxes John, I am in Kaysville (15 minutes south of Ogden) and had my Model III based at Ogden before I sold it. I am now building a Series 7 in my shop at my house. I think I have talked to you before. Darin Hawkes Series 7 (in process) 914 UL Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=113470#113470


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    Time: 05:00:20 PM PST US
    From: "fox5flyer" <fox5flyer@idealwifi.net>
    Subject: Re: Ogden foxes
    The first two were blank John. This is the third and came in fine. Deke Morisse N148DM S5/Soob/CAP NE Michigan ----- Original Message ----- From: Dan Billingsley To: kitfox-list@matronics.com Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2007 6:42 PM Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Ogden foxes Is anyone getting any information with these replys? For the last couple days when I look at my posts, I see nothing. Any clues? Dan john oakley <john@leptron.com> wrote: Thanks John, I will start looking everyone up. How's your 4 flying? I think, you guys have more foxes than Idaho, something wrong about that.. Its good to hear from you. I have moved to Morgan, marring a gal that is a Professor at Webber state. john ------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of kerrjohna@comcast.net Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2007 2:57 PM To: kitfox-list@matronics.com Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Ogden foxes John, I helped a guy on the east side with a yellow series 5 with IO240 engine a couple of years ago. I believe he is still there. A good friend, Steve Swensen has a Murphy Rebel at Ogden. His father is responsible for my aero addiction. The Swensen Kitfox 4-1200 flies out of Brigham. There are 3 fox's at Logan. John Kerr RUMS -


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    Time: 05:07:39 PM PST US
    From: "john oakley" <john@leptron.com>
    Subject: Ogden foxes
    Dan, Your last couple of notes to the group were blank, I just thought you didn't have anything to say. :-) _____ From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dan Billingsley Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2007 5:43 PM Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Ogden foxes Is anyone getting any information with these replys? For the last couple days when I look at my posts, I see nothing. Any clues? Dan john oakley <john@leptron.com> wrote: Thanks John, I will start looking everyone up. How's your 4 flying? I think, you guys have more foxes than Idaho, something wrong about that.. Its good to hear from you. I have moved to Morgan, marring a gal that is a Professor at Webber state. john _____ From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of kerrjohna@comcast.net Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2007 2:57 PM Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Ogden foxes John, I helped a guy on the east side with a yellow series 5 with IO240 engine a couple of years ago. I believe he is still there. A good friend, Steve Swensen has a Murphy Rebel at Ogden. His father is responsible for my aero addiction. The Swensen Kitfox 4-1200 flies out of Brigham. There are 3 fox's at Logan. John Kerr RUMS -


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    Time: 06:23:51 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: KitFox wheel base?
    From: "Don G" <donghe@one-eleven.net>
    Thx for the pics...I understand perfectly now. As far as the Move..The Deal has not been struck yet. I have an offer to trade and we not very far apart on the money. The biggest Holdup is the move. IF we were not 525 miles apart, I think we would have come together probably. Right now...I am at the point where I have to decide if all the trouble is worth it. My Kolb FireFly will not make the flight. It is just not a crosscountry machine. The KitFox is out of annual...etc...etc.... So I am exploring all the details...then must decide to kick in a little more boot... Trouble is...you guys have about got me talked into the notion that the Speedster is just what I want!!!!!!! (grin....... If we come together...the move could be a soon as a week...or maybe a month. I havent asked about storage after the purchase. What have you on your mind John? -------- Don G. Central Illinois FireFly#098 Luscombe 8A http://www.geocities.com/dagger369th/my_firefly.htm Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=113501#113501


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    Time: 06:28:13 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Brakes little to none
    From: "pilotpat" <pkelly20@comcast.net>
    thanks guys for the help, and sorry for not getting back to some of you as I had to go out of town right after I posted the question and just now getting back to it. going to try bleeding again this weekend. they are matco and they are just weak. but I think there is air in there and will follow some of the recommendations... some asked......I have a kitfox classic iv with a 2200 jabiru and in the williamsport , pa area....will see if i can put that on my signature. thanks again -------- Pilotpat Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=113502#113502


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    Time: 07:31:26 PM PST US
    From: Malcolmbru@aol.com
    Subject: Re: gas cap not venting?
    my cap's where welded w/ stainless tub buy the builder mod 2 ser 347 I ordered a new one from Deb Wednesday will comment on the differences later but I assume the new one will work a definite improvement over the home made one . mal ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.


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    Time: 08:09:33 PM PST US
    From: "john oakley" <john@leptron.com>
    Subject: Re: KitFox wheel base?
    Don, Just to save you time, if and when you go to move I will loan you my braces. I can stick them in a tube and mail, or FedEx, you can return the same way. john -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Don G Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2007 7:22 PM Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: KitFox wheel base? Thx for the pics...I understand perfectly now. As far as the Move..The Deal has not been struck yet. I have an offer to trade and we not very far apart on the money. The biggest Holdup is the move. IF we were not 525 miles apart, I think we would have come together probably. Right now...I am at the point where I have to decide if all the trouble is worth it. My Kolb FireFly will not make the flight. It is just not a crosscountry machine. The KitFox is out of annual...etc...etc.... So I am exploring all the details...then must decide to kick in a little more boot... Trouble is...you guys have about got me talked into the notion that the Speedster is just what I want!!!!!!! (grin....... If we come together...the move could be a soon as a week...or maybe a month. I havent asked about storage after the purchase. What have you on your mind John? -------- Don G. Central Illinois FireFly#098 Luscombe 8A http://www.geocities.com/dagger369th/my_firefly.htm Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=113501#113501


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    Time: 08:19:47 PM PST US
    From: jerry evans <kitfox555@sbcglobal.net>
    Subject: Fwd: Let's Go For It!




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