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1. 04:30 AM - Re: KitFox wheel base? (Don G)
2. 04:30 AM - N85KF????? (Don G)
3. 05:10 AM - Rotax 912UL for sale (Lyle Persels)
4. 06:10 AM - Re: Kitfox-List Digest: 33 Msgs - 05/17/07 ()
5. 07:11 AM - Re: Re: KitFox wheel base? (Paul Seehafer)
6. 07:33 AM - Re: N85KF????? ()
7. 07:37 AM - Re: Elevator trim ()
8. 07:53 AM - Trailoring Checklist (Tom Jones)
9. 08:33 AM - Re: Brakes little to none (Steve Zakreski)
10. 09:06 AM - Re: 912 ul throtlle choke cabel assembly (Larry/Cathy Boone)
11. 01:13 PM - Trailering help (Don G)
12. 01:26 PM - Re: Brakes little to none (Lynn Matteson)
13. 01:29 PM - Re: Re: Elevator trim (Lynn Matteson)
14. 01:46 PM - Kitfox 5 Qualifying for Sport Pilot (Steven Janicki)
15. 02:27 PM - Re: Trailering help (john oakley)
16. 02:49 PM - Re: Trailering help (Don G)
17. 03:45 PM - Gross Weight Question (Nick Scholtes)
18. 04:12 PM - Re: Gross Weight Question (Randy Daughenbaugh)
19. 04:48 PM - Re: Gross Weight Question (kitfoxmike)
20. 05:10 PM - Re: Gross Weight Question (dcsfoto)
21. 06:30 PM - Re: Kitfox 5 Qualifying for Sport Pilot (Dacha)
22. 06:47 PM - Re: Kitfox 5 Qualifying for Sport Pilot (Dacha)
23. 10:16 PM - Re: Gross Weight Question (Lowell Fitt)
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| Subject: | Re: KitFox wheel base? |
John,
Thank you so very much for the offer.
Lynn sent me the pics of the braces, and I think I could fabricate them pretty
quickly though. I have all the materilas on hand and a really good shop.
Seems I could make them telescoping and just drill one side of the center so I
could adjust them on site for length on the plane and then drill the other side
using 1st hole to locate.
This probably wont take as long as building braces for the rear of the fuse on
the trailer and maybe some sides...some thing to hold the wings...arghh.. Today
I am going to search for an 24 ft enclosed trailer to rent..borrow...I would
much rather sling the wings in an enclosed trailer.
Getting the Kolb trailered down there is about as much of a problem to figure out.
Anybody know anything about N85KF...Yellow with red trim, built by Solomon Bradman
...florida address????
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Don G.
Central Illinois
FireFly#098
Luscombe 8A
http://www.geocities.com/dagger369th/my_firefly.htm
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Anybody know anything about N85KF...Yellow with red trim, built by Solomon Bradman
...florida address????
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Don G.
Central Illinois
FireFly#098
Luscombe 8A
http://www.geocities.com/dagger369th/my_firefly.htm
Read this topic online here:
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| Subject: | Rotax 912UL for sale |
My upgrade to a 912ULS in my Model IV-1200 is complete and the new
engine is running well. Interestingly, I've detected no increase in
performance. When the aircraft was down for the engine change, I
replaced the tires with the large King Fox (21x12x8) tires. While
this undoubtedly has something to do with the lack of improvement,
I'm somewhat surprised. I'll do some prop tweaking and see if this
helps.
I'd now like to sell my old Rotax 912UL. The engine has 450 hours on
it. I was a bit tired of fussing with the low speed roughness
problems, but it was running very well at cruise. The engine has all
ADs, engine mounts, Warp Drive 3-blade prop hub and mounting bolts
but no blades, oil tank, complete logs and manuals. Asking $4,000.
I'm in southern Iowa. Contact me off line.
Lyle Persels
Model IV-1200
Osceola, IA
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| Subject: | Re: Kitfox-List Digest: 33 Msgs - 05/17/07 |
Thanks for all the comments on the Grove Gear. To answer the question as to why
I don't like the Tube Gear even though I haven't flown it yet. I feel it's too
narrow of a foot print. Bungees were a pain to install. I like the appearance
of the Grove over the Tube. For sure I like the comments about the Grove Gear.
Bob Toth
Woodbridge, Virginia
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> 1. 03:25 AM - Grove Landing Gear (fox5flyer)
> 2. 05:11 AM - floats (Don and Dianne Usher)
> 3. 05:29 AM - Re: gas cap not venting? (Barry West)
> 4. 06:50 AM - Re: floats (akflyer)
> 5. 07:21 AM - Re: Kitfox V in Cameron Park California Area (Randy Daughenbaugh)
> 6. 09:19 AM - KitFox wheel base? (Don G)
> 7. 10:50 AM - Re: Grove Landing Gear (kitfoxmike)
> 8. 10:57 AM - Re: KitFox wheel base? (Lynn Matteson)
> 9. 11:53 AM - Re: Re: Grove Landing Gear (Michel Verheughe)
> 10. 12:24 PM - Re: KitFox wheel base? (Zimmermans)
> 11. 12:54 PM - Re: Grove Landing Gear (kitfoxmike)
> 12. 01:19 PM - Rotax 582 failure (semi off-topic) (Michel Verheughe)
> 13. 01:31 PM - Re: KitFox wheel base? (john oakley)
> 14. 01:39 PM - Ogden foxes (john oakley)
> 15. 01:57 PM - Re: Ogden foxes (kerrjohna@comcast.net)
> 16. 02:29 PM - Re: Re: Grove Landing Gear (Allan Aaron)
> 17. 02:33 PM - Re: KitFox wheel base? (Don G)
> 18. 02:36 PM - Re: Ogden foxes (john oakley)
> 19. 03:33 PM - Re: Re: KitFox wheel base? (Lynn Matteson)
> 20. 04:13 PM - Re: Ogden foxes (darinh)
> 21. 04:31 PM - Re: Ogden foxes (Dan Billingsley)
> 22. 04:37 PM - Re: Re: Ogden foxes (Dan Billingsley)
> 23. 04:42 PM - Re: Ogden foxes (Dan Billingsley)
> 24. 04:46 PM - Re: Re: Ogden foxes (john oakley)
> 25. 04:47 PM - Re: Re: KitFox wheel base? (john oakley)
> 26. 04:59 PM - Re: Re: Ogden foxes (take 2) (Dan Billingsley)
> 27. 05:00 PM - Re: Ogden foxes (fox5flyer)
> 28. 05:07 PM - Re: Ogden foxes (john oakley)
> 29. 06:23 PM - Re: KitFox wheel base? (Don G)
> 30. 06:28 PM - Re: Brakes little to none (pilotpat)
> 31. 07:31 PM - Re: gas cap not venting? (Malcolmbru@aol.com)
> 32. 08:09 PM - Re: Re: KitFox wheel base? (john oakley)
> 33. 08:19 PM - Fw: Let's Go For It! (jerry evans)
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>
>________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________
>
>
>Time: 03:25:58 AM PST US
>From: "fox5flyer" <fox5flyer@idealwifi.net>
>Subject: Kitfox-List: Grove Landing Gear
>
>Robert, the 912 prop combo should be a good setup for your IV, but just
>out of curiosity, what is it about the tube gear that you aren't happy
>with?
>Deke Morisse
>N148DM
>S5/Soob/CAP
>NE Michigan
>
> I am building a 4-1200 with a Rotax 912UL IVO medium In-Flt adj. prop.
>I have the standard tube gear installed and am not too happy with it.
>Does anyone have a Grove Gear available they would like to get rid of???
>
> Robert S. Toth rtoth1@verizon.net
> Woodbridge, Virginia
>
>
>________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________
>
>
>Time: 05:11:19 AM PST US
>From: "Don and Dianne Usher" <denver7@xplornet.com>
>Subject: Kitfox-List: floats
>
>I am installing full lotus floats on my kf 111, and leaving the gear
>legs in place. What is the diameter of the axle. Have to drill the main
>gear support fitting.
>Don
>
>________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________
>
>
>Time: 05:29:32 AM PST US
>From: "Barry West" <barry@pgtc.com>
>Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: gas cap not venting?
>
>MessageOn my Model IV the tube is steel, may be stainless but probably
>plated after welding along with the cap. And it is welded, I can remove
>and/or tighten the cap by torqueing the tube and see the weld bead. It
>is not soldered.
>
>Barry West
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Noel Loveys
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 6:43 PM
> Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: gas cap not venting?
>
>
> Mal are you sure the tube is stainless? it may be chrome plated
>copper tube soldered not welded into the cap. I bought a regular cap
>last year removed all the plastic stuff and the sealing gasket inside,
>drilled a hole in it and soldered in a chrome plated copper tube
>normally used as a toilet feed stem. when I was finished I cut the tube
>to length and bent it forward into the airflow. Of course I re
>installed the gasket.
>
>
>
>
> Noel Loveys, RPP, AME intern
> Campbellton, Newfoundland,
> Canada
> Kitfox Mod III-A, 582, B box, Ivo IFA
> Aerocet 1100s
> noelloveys@yahoo.ca
>
>
> Do not archive
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
>Malcolmbru@aol.com
> Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 8:32 AM
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Kitfox-List: gas cap not venting?
>
>
> wear can I find another gas cap? mine are made by Eaton with a
>stainless steel tub welded to it. mal
>
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>________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________
>
>
>Time: 06:50:10 AM PST US
>Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: floats
>From: "akflyer" <akflyer_2000@yahoo.com>
>
>
>.750"
>
>Post up some pics of the install. I am getting ready to put a set of 1260's on
>my Avid.
>
>--------
>Leonard Perry
>Soldotna AK
>Avid "C" / Mk IV
>582 IVO IFA
>Full Lotus 1260
>95% complete
>
>
>Read this topic online here:
>
>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=113309#113309
>
>
>________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________
>
>
>Time: 07:21:59 AM PST US
>From: "Randy Daughenbaugh" <rjdaugh@rapidnet.com>
>Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Kitfox V in Cameron Park California Area
>
>My Series 5 qualifies for Sport pilot. I assigned the gross weight a value
>of 1320 lbs. As builder, I can do that.
>
>
>It has an empty weight of 776 lbs. My wife and I can go on trips and carry
>a reasonable amount of luggage with no problems.
>
>
>Randy
>
>
>Randy Daughenbaugh, N10NH
>
>Black Hills of South Dakota, - Near Mount Rushmore
>
>Home Strip, Grass Room in Hangar for visitors
>
>Series 5/7 (7 Firewall Forward) 912S, Warp Drive Taper Tip
>
>Gross Weight 1320 lbs, Flying since November 2004
>
>
> _____
>
>From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dacha
>Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 6:54 AM
>Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Kitfox V in Cameron Park California Area
>
>
>Steven,
>
>The Kitfox 5's do not qualify for sport pilot. The original ones gross
>weight was 1400, then later went to 1550, mine is 1500. Only the 4's will
>meet the gross weight limits.
>
>Sorry,
>
>LeRoy
>
>Kitfox 5 594JD
>
>
>________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________
>
>
>Time: 09:19:18 AM PST US
>Subject: Kitfox-List: KitFox wheel base?
>From: "Don G" <donghe@one-eleven.net>
>
>
>Gents...first, I want to thank all the fellas who responded to my earlier questions
>on the wings. Absolutely wonderful data!
>
>Next question is...what is the length of a Kitfox between the mains and the tail
>wheel?
>IN other words, how long of a trailer deck is needed to haul a KitFox Series IV
>speedster?
> Also, is it recommended to trailer a KitFox with the tail weight sitting on the
>tail wheel when folded?
>for 500 miles?
>or is there some other method of supporting the wings?
>OR supporting the rear of the fuse?
>Will the front attachment fitting on the wings take this also?
>
>Thx in advance !
>
>--------
>Don G.
>Central Illinois
>FireFly#098
>Luscombe 8A
>
>http://www.geocities.com/dagger369th/my_firefly.htm
>
>
>Read this topic online here:
>
>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=113363#113363
>
>
>________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________
>
>
>Time: 10:50:59 AM PST US
>Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Grove Landing Gear
>From: "kitfoxmike" <customtrans@qwest.net>
>
>
>...and what do you have against the Grove gear?
>
>--------
>kitfoxmike
>model IV, 1200
>speedster
>912ul
>building
>RV7a
>slowbuild wings, fuse
>Do not archive
>
>
>Read this topic online here:
>
>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=113393#113393
>
>
>________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________
>
>
>Time: 10:57:09 AM PST US
>From: Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net>
>Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: KitFox wheel base?
>
>
>I hauled my very much incomplete 'fox 1300 miles on a converted boat
>trailer (2-leaf springs on the trailer). The trailer was for a light
>boat of the fishing variety, not a speedboat for the whole family.
>The ride for the plane should be smooth. With the wings folded, there
>will be too much weight on the rear wheel. There is a cross-tube near
>the rear wheel, that is used for a support of some fashion, and it
>keeps the weight off the rear wheel while it is on the trailer. I did
>not know this at the time I did my big haul back here. It is best, I
>believe, to elevate the fuse so it rides somewhat level. My wings
>rode on the trailer alongside the fuselage, cushioned with foam. I
>hauled my plane from Texas to Michigan with just the weight of the
>fuselage on the tailwheel, as I said, no wings, no tailfeathers, and
>my tailwheel spring eventually broke after a few months of flying it.
>I don't know whether the 1300-mile ride caused that breakage or not,
>but it couldn't have helped the situation.
>You should see about making, or buying from John McBean, a set of the
>front wing spar supports.
>
>Lynn Matteson
>Grass Lake, Michigan
>Kitfox IV Speedster w/Jabiru 2200
>flying w/275+ hrs
>
>
>On May 17, 2007, at 12:18 PM, Don G wrote:
>
>>
>> Gents...first, I want to thank all the fellas who responded to my
>> earlier questions on the wings. Absolutely wonderful data!
>>
>> Next question is...what is the length of a Kitfox between the mains
>> and the tail wheel?
>> IN other words, how long of a trailer deck is needed to haul a
>> KitFox Series IV speedster?
>> Also, is it recommended to trailer a KitFox with the tail weight
>> sitting on the tail wheel when folded?
>> for 500 miles?
>> or is there some other method of supporting the wings?
>> OR supporting the rear of the fuse?
>> Will the front attachment fitting on the wings take this also?
>>
>> Thx in advance !
>>
>> --------
>> Don G.
>
>
>________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________
>
>
>Time: 11:53:04 AM PST US
>From: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
>Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Grove Landing Gear
>
>
>On May 17, 2007, at 7:49 PM, kitfoxmike wrote:
>> ...and what do you have against the Grove gear?
>
>Guys, the original tubular gear is fine. The aluminium Grove gear is
>probably stronger. Please, don't start a flame about it.
>Incidentally, a Norwegian friend crashed his Avid Flyer last Sunday. He
>lost power of his Rotax 582 and had to make an emergency landing in a
>field. But the ground was more uneven than it looked like from up there
>and he broke his tubular gear and went nose down in the earth. He is
>unarmed but his plane is badly damaged. I have asked him permission to
>send his photo of the open 582 to this list and when I get it, I'll
>show you how a 582 can get badly damaged in flight.
>In my opinion, if he had a Grove gear, it would probably have saved at
>least the plane. But hindsight is always very easy.
>
>Cheers,
>Michel Verheughe
>Norway
>Kitfox 3 - Jabiru 2200
>
>do not archive
>
>
>________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________
>
>
>Time: 12:24:59 PM PST US
>From: "Zimmermans" <jezim@pro-ns.net>
>Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: KitFox wheel base?
>
>
>>From the center of the tailwheel axel to the center of the main axel is 14
>feet on my series 5 with spring gear.
>Jim Zimmerman
>Stillwater MN.
>Under construction. 0-200
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Don G" <donghe@one-eleven.net>
>Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2007 11:18 AM
>Subject: Kitfox-List: KitFox wheel base?
>
>
>>
>> Gents...first, I want to thank all the fellas who responded to my earlier
>> questions on the wings. Absolutely wonderful data!
>>
>> Next question is...what is the length of a Kitfox between the mains and
>> the tail wheel?
>> IN other words, how long of a trailer deck is needed to haul a KitFox
>> Series IV speedster?
>> Also, is it recommended to trailer a KitFox with the tail weight sitting
>> on the tail wheel when folded?
>> for 500 miles?
>> or is there some other method of supporting the wings?
>> OR supporting the rear of the fuse?
>> Will the front attachment fitting on the wings take this also?
>>
>> Thx in advance !
>>
>> --------
>> Don G.
>> Central Illinois
>> FireFly#098
>> Luscombe 8A
>>
>> http://www.geocities.com/dagger369th/my_firefly.htm
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=113363#113363
>>
>>
>> --
>> 6:05 PM
>>
>>
>
>
>________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________
>
>
>Time: 12:54:39 PM PST US
>Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Grove Landing Gear
>From: "kitfoxmike" <customtrans@qwest.net>
>
>
>The only reason I said something is because anytime somebody wants a Grove gear...
>well you know where I'm going. Today I had a hard landing, not anything to
>do with me, but because I landed behind a helicopter that was doing touch and
>go's with hovering on the approach end of the runway. Well what happened is
>I come in like normal, the winds calm and I pull slight nose up for the flair,
>all was fine than all of the sudden the plane goes up, then with antisipation
>for what is to happen I hit some power at the same time the plane drops to
>the ground with a little yaw (not a wing drop) and flop onto the landing gear,
>no bounce. I feel If I had the tube gear the bungies would have broke, as it
>was the Grove gear kept on ticking. The tube gear is nice, a little lighter,
>but has it's limitations. The Grove gear will hold up to any abuse, within reason
>that is. Down side to the Grove gear, if you take off and the role out
>is too fast the wheels ,if out of balance, will bounce around a little bit.
>Upside to the Grove gear, no bungies to mess with on the annual.
>
>--------
>kitfoxmike
>model IV, 1200
>speedster
>912ul
>building
>RV7a
>slowbuild wings, fuse
>Do not archive
>
>
>Read this topic online here:
>
>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=113425#113425
>
>
>________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________
>
>
>Time: 01:19:42 PM PST US
>From: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
>Subject: Kitfox-List: Rotax 582 failure (semi off-topic)
>
>Gentlemen, this is not Kitfox business but since many of us fly behind
>a 582, I wonder if you could have a look at this.
>My friend flying an Avid Flyer lost his 582 in flight, as I said
>earlier. His engine is old, from 1990, it has a total of 340 hours but
>it has been serviced in 2002, including new crankshaft bearing, when
>the engine had 280 hours.
>Inspection of the engine by a Rotax mechanic shows that the aft
>cylinder conrod roller bearing was completely destroyed. The conrod was
>loosen from the crankshaft and the sump showed several cracks. The
>forward cylinder and conrod showed no damage and everything else was
>moving and well oiled. Here is a photo of the opened engine. Has anyone
>an idea of what could have gone wrong because the Norwegian mechanic
>has not a clue. Thanks in advance.
>
>Cheers,
>Michel Verheughe
>Norway
>Kitfox 3 - Jabiru 2200
>
>do not archive
>
>________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________
>
>
>Time: 01:31:46 PM PST US
>From: "john oakley" <john@leptron.com>
>Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: KitFox wheel base?
>
>
>Don,
>I have trailered my speedster on a 14 foot dual axel snowmobile trailer nose
>first several thousand miles. I would rather tow tail first but on 14 foot,
>you have to put prop over the tongue. Duel axel is best for chuck hole
>support the lighter the spring system is the better 500 miles is no big deal
>just watch for the big holes and ledges. Make sure there is no fuel on board
>and use the wing outer spar braces. If you intend to tow a lot, I would make
>a support for the tail tow inserts. I did see one fox break in front of the
>tail, but that is one out of how many?
>
>John Oakley
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Don G
>Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2007 10:19 AM
>Subject: Kitfox-List: KitFox wheel base?
>
>
>Gents...first, I want to thank all the fellas who responded to my earlier
>questions on the wings. Absolutely wonderful data!
>
>Next question is...what is the length of a Kitfox between the mains and the
>tail wheel?
>IN other words, how long of a trailer deck is needed to haul a KitFox Series
>IV speedster?
> Also, is it recommended to trailer a KitFox with the tail weight sitting on
>the tail wheel when folded?
>for 500 miles?
>or is there some other method of supporting the wings?
>OR supporting the rear of the fuse?
>Will the front attachment fitting on the wings take this also?
>
>Thx in advance !
>
>--------
>Don G.
>Central Illinois
>FireFly#098
>Luscombe 8A
>
>http://www.geocities.com/dagger369th/my_firefly.htm
>
>
>Read this topic online here:
>
>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=113363#113363
>
>
>________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________
>
>
>Time: 01:39:16 PM PST US
>From: "john oakley" <john@leptron.com>
>Subject: Kitfox-List: Ogden foxes
>
>
>Hi Guys,
> I have relocated my fox to the Ogden airport in Utah. Are there any others
>there?
>
>John Oakley
>
>
>________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________
>
>
>Time: 01:57:47 PM PST US
>From: kerrjohna@comcast.net
>Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Ogden foxes
>
>John, I helped a guy on the east side with a yellow series 5 with IO240 engine
>a couple of years ago. I believe he is still there. A good friend, Steve Swensen
>has a Murphy Rebel at Ogden. His father is responsible for my aero addiction.
>The Swensen Kitfox 4-1200 flies out of Brigham. There are 3 fox's at Logan.
>
>John Kerr
>
>-------------- Original message --------------
>From: "john oakley" <john@leptron.com>
>
>>
>> Hi Guys,
>> I have relocated my fox to the Ogden airport in Utah. Are there any others
>> there?
>>
>> John Oakley
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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><DIV>John, I helped a guy on the east side with a yellow series 5 with IO240 engine
>a couple of years ago. I believe he is still there. A good friend,
>Steve Swensen has a Murphy Rebel at Ogden. His father is responsible for
>my aero addiction. The Swensen Kitfox 4-1200 flies out of Brigham. There
>are 3 fox's at Logan.</DIV>
><DIV></DIV>
><DIV>John Kerr</DIV>
><DIV></DIV>
> RUMS -
>
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>
>________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________
>
>
>Time: 02:29:47 PM PST US
>From: "Allan Aaron" <aaaron@tvp.com.au>
>Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re: Grove Landing Gear
>
>
>While folks are relaying stories about how their grove gear has saved them, i'll
>add mine. I had an engine fail on my avid speedwing on take off a few months
>ago when I was around 60' up with only a few hundred feet of runway left. I had
>to land HARD to get it back down before I hit the trees. I am absolutely convinced
>that if I still had the tube gear I would have done substantial damage
>to my plane. No doubt in my mind. The $1200 I spent on the gear saved me much
>more than that in repairs.
>allan
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: "kitfoxmike" <customtrans@qwest.net>
>Sent: 18/05/07 4:16 AM
>Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Grove Landing Gear
>
>
>...and what do you have against the Grove gear?
>
>--------
>kitfoxmike
>model IV, 1200
>speedster
>912ul
>building
>RV7a
>slowbuild wings, fuse
>Do not archive
>
>
>Read this topic online here:
>
>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=113393#113393
>
>
>________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________
>
>
>Time: 02:33:37 PM PST US
>Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: KitFox wheel base?
>From: "Don G" <donghe@one-eleven.net>
>
>
>I dont plan to haul it ever again, If I buy it, it will live in a nice cushy
hangar.
>I have a 16ft tandem flatbed utility...7000 gvw...about 1200 empty and I am aware
>that this is sprung a tad stiff for airplane duty. But so far, it might be
>my only choice. I have lots of tractor weights I might add to ease the ride. Dunno
>yet.
>I now see that at least it will fit on the deck....barely.
>I am looking for a better option still.
>
>What are these wing supports and how do they work? Do they attach to the airframe?
> I have seen mention of removeing the wings entirely and stowing them. Will they
>fit in the length under the plane between the mains and the tailwheel?
>Ailerons would probably need to come off to do this?
>
>--------
>Don G.
>Central Illinois
>FireFly#098
>Luscombe 8A
>
>http://www.geocities.com/dagger369th/my_firefly.htm
>
>
>Read this topic online here:
>
>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=113450#113450
>
>
>________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________
>
>
>Time: 02:36:51 PM PST US
>From: "john oakley" <john@leptron.com>
>Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Ogden foxes
>
>Thanks John,
>
>I will start looking everyone up. How's your 4 flying? I think, you guys
>have more foxes than Idaho, something wrong about that..
>
>Its good to hear from you. I have moved to Morgan, marring a gal that is a
>Professor at Webber state.
>
>john
>
>
> _____
>
>From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
>kerrjohna@comcast.net
>Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2007 2:57 PM
>Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Ogden foxes
>
>
>John, I helped a guy on the east side with a yellow series 5 with IO240
>engine a couple of years ago. I believe he is still there. A good friend,
>Steve Swensen has a Murphy Rebel at Ogden. His father is responsible for my
>aero addiction. The Swensen Kitfox 4-1200 flies out of Brigham. There are 3
>fox's at Logan.
>
>
>John Kerr
>
>
>RUMS -
>
>
>________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________
>
>
>Time: 03:33:41 PM PST US
>From: Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net>
>Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: KitFox wheel base?
>
>
>Maybe lower the tire pressure on the plane to practically nothing,
>support the tailwheel on old sofa cushions or an old overstuffed
>chair. You might look like the Beverly Hillbillies, but who cares?
>The wing supports go from the attach point of the wing's front spar
>down to one of the tabs on the fuselage. You can build them as crude
>as you'd like for a "one-shot" deal, maybe even hammering out the
>ends of pipe, instead of welding in a nice tab. I'm sending you a
>picture of mine on separate mailing.
>
>
>Lynn Matteson
>Grass Lake, Michigan
>Kitfox IV Speedster w/Jabiru 2200
>flying w/275+ hrs
>do not archive
>
>
>On May 17, 2007, at 5:33 PM, Don G wrote:
>
>>
>> I dont plan to haul it ever again, If I buy it, it will live in a
>> nice cushy hangar.
>> I have a 16ft tandem flatbed utility...7000 gvw...about 1200 empty
>> and I am aware that this is sprung a tad stiff for airplane duty.
>> But so far, it might be my only choice. I have lots of tractor
>> weights I might add to ease the ride. Dunno yet.
>> I now see that at least it will fit on the deck....barely.
>> I am looking for a better option still.
>>
>> What are these wing supports and how do they work? Do they attach
>> to the airframe?
>> I have seen mention of removeing the wings entirely and stowing
>> them. Will they fit in the length under the plane between the mains
>> and the tailwheel?
>> Ailerons would probably need to come off to do this?
>>
>> --------
>> Don G.
>
>
>________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________
>
>
>Time: 04:13:57 PM PST US
>Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Ogden foxes
>From: "darinh" <gerns25@netscape.net>
>
>
>John,
>
>I am in Kaysville (15 minutes south of Ogden) and had my Model III based at Ogden
>before I sold it. I am now building a Series 7 in my shop at my house. I
>think I have talked to you before.
>
>Darin Hawkes
>Series 7 (in process)
>914 UL
>
>
>Read this topic online here:
>
>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=113470#113470
>
>
>________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________
>
>
>Time: 04:31:57 PM PST US
>From: Dan Billingsley <dan@azshowersolutions.com>
>Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Ogden foxes
>
>John (and the Utah Foxes),
> My wife and I will be spending the last week of June in Provo. I would like
to
>come by and see your birds. I'm currently building a IV / 912s and very close
>to covering the fuselage.
> Dan & Wendy
> Mesa, AZ
>
>john oakley <john@leptron.com> wrote:
>
>Hi Guys,
>I have relocated my fox to the Ogden airport in Utah. Are there any others
>there?
>
>John Oakley
>
>
>________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________
>
>
>Time: 04:37:15 PM PST US
>From: Dan Billingsley <dan@azshowersolutions.com>
>Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Ogden foxes
>
>test
> do not archive
>
>darinh <gerns25@netscape.net> wrote:
>
>John,
>
>I am in Kaysville (15 minutes south of Ogden) and had my Model III based at Ogden
>before I sold it. I am now building a Series 7 in my shop at my house. I think
>I have talked to you before.
>
>Darin Hawkes
>Series 7 (in process)
>914 UL
>
>
>Read this topic online here:
>
>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=113470#113470
>
>
>________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________
>
>
>Time: 04:42:53 PM PST US
>From: Dan Billingsley <dan@azshowersolutions.com>
>Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Ogden foxes
>
>Is anyone getting any information with these replys? For the last couple days
when
>I look at my posts, I see nothing.
> Any clues?
> Dan
>
>john oakley <john@leptron.com> wrote:
> v\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);} o\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);}
>w\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);} .shape {behavior:url(#default#VML);}
> st1\:*{behavior:url(#default#ieooui) } Thanks John,
> I will start looking everyone up Hows your 4 flying? I think, you guys have
more
>foxes than Idaho, something wrong about that..
> Its good to hear from you. I have moved to Morgan, marring a gal that is a Professor
>at Webber state.
> john
>
>
>---------------------------------
>
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of kerrjohna@comcast.net
>Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2007 2:57 PM
>Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Ogden foxes
>
>
> John, I helped a guy on the east side with a yellow series 5 with IO240 engine
>a couple of years ago. I believe he is still there. A good friend, Steve
>Swensen has a Murphy Rebel at Ogden. His father is responsible for my aero addiction.
>The Swensen Kitfox 4-1200 flies out of Brigham. There are 3 fox's at
>Logan.
>
>
>
> John Kerr
>
>
>
> RUMS -
>
>
>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List
>
>
>http://forums.matronics.com
>
>
>________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________
>
>
>Time: 04:46:15 PM PST US
>From: "john oakley" <john@leptron.com>
>Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re: Ogden foxes
>
>
>Darin,
>I believe we have talked before,
>I am happy boy again; I have someone in the area to talk "fox" with.
>I would like to see your project sometime. Ogden seems to be a good place to
>fly out of. I was a bit worried about the airspace but found it easier that
>expected.
>john
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of darinh
>Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2007 5:13 PM
>Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Ogden foxes
>
>
>John,
>
>I am in Kaysville (15 minutes south of Ogden) and had my Model III based at
>Ogden before I sold it. I am now building a Series 7 in my shop at my
>house. I think I have talked to you before.
>
>Darin Hawkes
>Series 7 (in process)
>914 UL
>
>
>Read this topic online here:
>
>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=113470#113470
>
>
>________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________
>
>
>Time: 04:47:09 PM PST US
>From: "john oakley" <john@leptron.com>
>Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re: KitFox wheel base?
>
>
>Don,
>How soon are you going to move the plane?
>John O
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Don G
>Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2007 3:33 PM
>Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: KitFox wheel base?
>
>
>I dont plan to haul it ever again, If I buy it, it will live in a nice
>cushy hangar.
>I have a 16ft tandem flatbed utility...7000 gvw...about 1200 empty and I am
>aware that this is sprung a tad stiff for airplane duty. But so far, it
>might be my only choice. I have lots of tractor weights I might add to ease
>the ride. Dunno yet.
>I now see that at least it will fit on the deck....barely.
>I am looking for a better option still.
>
>What are these wing supports and how do they work? Do they attach to the
>airframe?
> I have seen mention of removeing the wings entirely and stowing them. Will
>they fit in the length under the plane between the mains and the tailwheel?
>Ailerons would probably need to come off to do this?
>
>--------
>Don G.
>Central Illinois
>FireFly#098
>Luscombe 8A
>
>http://www.geocities.com/dagger369th/my_firefly.htm
>
>
>Read this topic online here:
>
>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=113450#113450
>
>
>________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________
>
>
>Time: 04:59:58 PM PST US
>From: Dan Billingsley <dan@azshowersolutions.com>
>Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re: Ogden foxes (take 2)
>
>trying this reply again :>)
>
> John (and the Utah Foxes),
> My wife and I will be spending the last week of June in Provo. I would like
to
>come by and see your birds. I'm currently building a IV / 912s and very close
>to covering the fuselage. e- me direct at dan at azshowersolutions dot com
>
> Dan & Wendy
> Mesa, AZ
>
>
>john oakley <john@leptron.com> wrote:
>
>Darin,
>I believe we have talked before,
>I am happy boy again; I have someone in the area to talk "fox" with.
>I would like to see your project sometime. Ogden seems to be a good place to
>fly out of. I was a bit worried about the airspace but found it easier that
>expected.
>john
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of darinh
>Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2007 5:13 PM
>Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Ogden foxes
>
>
>John,
>
>I am in Kaysville (15 minutes south of Ogden) and had my Model III based at
>Ogden before I sold it. I am now building a Series 7 in my shop at my
>house. I think I have talked to you before.
>
>Darin Hawkes
>Series 7 (in process)
>914 UL
>
>
>Read this topic online here:
>
>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=113470#113470
>
>
>________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________
>
>
>Time: 05:00:20 PM PST US
>From: "fox5flyer" <fox5flyer@idealwifi.net>
>Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Ogden foxes
>
>The first two were blank John. This is the third and came in fine.
>Deke Morisse
>N148DM
>S5/Soob/CAP
>NE Michigan
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Dan Billingsley
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2007 6:42 PM
> Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Ogden foxes
>
>
> Is anyone getting any information with these replys? For the last
>couple days when I look at my posts, I see nothing.
> Any clues?
> Dan
>
> john oakley <john@leptron.com> wrote:
> Thanks John,
> I will start looking everyone up. How's your 4 flying? I think, you
>guys have more foxes than Idaho, something wrong about that..
> Its good to hear from you. I have moved to Morgan, marring a gal
>that is a Professor at Webber state.
> john
>
>
>-------------------------------------------------------------------------
>---
>
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
>kerrjohna@comcast.net
> Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2007 2:57 PM
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Ogden foxes
>
> John, I helped a guy on the east side with a yellow series 5 with
>IO240 engine a couple of years ago. I believe he is still there. A good
>friend, Steve Swensen has a Murphy Rebel at Ogden. His father is
>responsible for my aero addiction. The Swensen Kitfox 4-1200 flies out
>of Brigham. There are 3 fox's at Logan.
>
> John Kerr
>
> RUMS -
>
>
>________________________________ Message 28 ____________________________________
>
>
>Time: 05:07:39 PM PST US
>From: "john oakley" <john@leptron.com>
>Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Ogden foxes
>
>Dan,
>
>Your last couple of notes to the group were blank, I just thought you didn't
>have anything to say.
>
>:-)
>
>
> _____
>
>From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dan Billingsley
>Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2007 5:43 PM
>Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Ogden foxes
>
>
>Is anyone getting any information with these replys? For the last couple
>days when I look at my posts, I see nothing.
>
>Any clues?
>
>Dan
>
>john oakley <john@leptron.com> wrote:
>
>Thanks John,
>
>I will start looking everyone up. How's your 4 flying? I think, you guys
>have more foxes than Idaho, something wrong about that..
>
>Its good to hear from you. I have moved to Morgan, marring a gal that is a
>Professor at Webber state.
>
>john
>
>
> _____
>
>
>From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
>kerrjohna@comcast.net
>Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2007 2:57 PM
>Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Ogden foxes
>
>
>John, I helped a guy on the east side with a yellow series 5 with IO240
>engine a couple of years ago. I believe he is still there. A good friend,
>Steve Swensen has a Murphy Rebel at Ogden. His father is responsible for my
>aero addiction. The Swensen Kitfox 4-1200 flies out of Brigham. There are 3
>fox's at Logan.
>
>
>John Kerr
>
>
>RUMS -
>
>
>________________________________ Message 29 ____________________________________
>
>
>Time: 06:23:51 PM PST US
>Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: KitFox wheel base?
>From: "Don G" <donghe@one-eleven.net>
>
>
>Thx for the pics...I understand perfectly now.
>
>As far as the Move..The Deal has not been struck yet. I have an offer to trade
>and we not very far apart on the money. The biggest Holdup is the move. IF we
>were not 525 miles apart, I think we would have come together probably. Right
>now...I am at the point where I have to decide if all the trouble is worth it.
> My Kolb FireFly will not make the flight. It is just not a crosscountry machine.
>The KitFox is out of annual...etc...etc....
>So I am exploring all the details...then must decide to kick in a little more
boot...
>Trouble is...you guys have about got me talked into the notion that the Speedster
>is just what I want!!!!!!! (grin.......
>
>If we come together...the move could be a soon as a week...or maybe a month. I
>havent asked about storage after the purchase.
>What have you on your mind John?
>
>--------
>Don G.
>Central Illinois
>FireFly#098
>Luscombe 8A
>
>http://www.geocities.com/dagger369th/my_firefly.htm
>
>
>Read this topic online here:
>
>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=113501#113501
>
>
>________________________________ Message 30 ____________________________________
>
>
>Time: 06:28:13 PM PST US
>Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Brakes little to none
>From: "pilotpat" <pkelly20@comcast.net>
>
>
>thanks guys for the help, and sorry for not getting back to some of you as I
had
>to go out of town right after I posted the question and just now getting back
>to it. going to try bleeding again this weekend.
>
>they are matco and they are just weak. but I think there is air in there and will
>follow some of the recommendations...
>
>some asked......I have a kitfox classic iv with a 2200 jabiru and in the williamsport
>, pa area....will see if i can put that on my signature.
>
>thanks again
>
>--------
>Pilotpat
>
>
>Read this topic online here:
>
>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=113502#113502
>
>
>________________________________ Message 31 ____________________________________
>
>
>Time: 07:31:26 PM PST US
>From: Malcolmbru@aol.com
>Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: gas cap not venting?
>
>my cap's where welded w/ stainless tub buy the builder mod 2 ser 347 I
>ordered a new one from Deb Wednesday will comment on the differences later but
>I
>assume the new one will work a definite improvement over the home made one .
>
> mal
>
>
>************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.
>
>________________________________ Message 32 ____________________________________
>
>
>Time: 08:09:33 PM PST US
>From: "john oakley" <john@leptron.com>
>Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re: KitFox wheel base?
>
>
>Don,
>Just to save you time, if and when you go to move I will loan you my braces.
>I can stick them in a tube and mail, or FedEx, you can return the same way.
>
>john
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Don G
>Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2007 7:22 PM
>Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: KitFox wheel base?
>
>
>Thx for the pics...I understand perfectly now.
>
>As far as the Move..The Deal has not been struck yet. I have an offer to
>trade and we not very far apart on the money. The biggest Holdup is the
>move. IF we were not 525 miles apart, I think we would have come together
>probably. Right now...I am at the point where I have to decide if all the
>trouble is worth it.
> My Kolb FireFly will not make the flight. It is just not a crosscountry
>machine.
>The KitFox is out of annual...etc...etc....
>So I am exploring all the details...then must decide to kick in a little
>more boot...
>Trouble is...you guys have about got me talked into the notion that the
>Speedster is just what I want!!!!!!! (grin.......
>
>If we come together...the move could be a soon as a week...or maybe a month.
>I havent asked about storage after the purchase.
>What have you on your mind John?
>
>--------
>Don G.
>Central Illinois
>FireFly#098
>Luscombe 8A
>
>http://www.geocities.com/dagger369th/my_firefly.htm
>
>
>Read this topic online here:
>
>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=113501#113501
>
>
>________________________________ Message 33 ____________________________________
>
>
>Time: 08:19:47 PM PST US
>From: jerry evans <kitfox555@sbcglobal.net>
>Subject: Kitfox-List: Fwd: Let's Go For It!
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: KitFox wheel base? |
Don,
After doing a lot of trailering of Avid Flyers and Kitfoxes over the years,
I think Lynn's comments were right on. But a few I would like to add;
- If trailering with the plane backwards on an open trailer (the way the
Avid & Kitfox factories made their trailers) make absolutely sure to support
the rudder and elevator with carpet covered boards. If a gust of wind from
a truck going by catches those tailfeathers they will be seriously damaged.
I found on my Model IV with the tall rudder going accross Iowa in some gusty
winds on the trailer that I had to remove the rudder altogether as even the
boards weren't working.
- Definitely support the lower rear fuselage. Even if you can just split
the load from teh tailwheel to the lower fusealage you will do better than
just resting it on it's tailwheel. If only on the tailwheel, the airplane
will move up and down on the tail spring too much, which also works against
any other attaching ropes or hardware you might have hooked to the airframe
elsewhere.
- Add additional ropes for safety to the wings (besides the wing to
fusealage attaching rods). I usually just run a rope from the wing struts
of each wing to the other wing strut, and tie it to the fuselage lift
handle. If one of those wing attach rods came undone going down the road
without this safety rope, the wing will swing out and catch the next light
pole or truck. A friend of mine had this happen on the way to the airport
with his airplane, ready for it's first flight. When the wing hit the
lightpole, it ripped the airplane right off the trailer. It was a complete
loss.
- MOST DEFINITELY USE THE FRONT WING SPAR ATTACH RODS AND REMOVE ALL THE
FUEL FROM THE TANKS (so as to alleviate all the excess weight from the wing
in the folded position - plus if you don't it will probably run out anyhow).
If you don't do this, you stand a good chance of twisting or damaging the
rear spar and/or the attach fittings/tubes. Not worth taking a chance like
that.
- Speedsters have less dihedral, and more flapperon counterweights than
normal model IV's. That sometimes makes folding the wings back more
critical as the flapperons leading edges will almost rest against the top of
the inboard horizontal stabilizer. So make sure you use the braces that
hold the wings folded so they move the least amount possible, and make sure
to pad the fabric where the flapperon is close or rests on the stabilizer.
Also, check to make sure the inboard flapperon counterweights aren't resting
against the fusealage fabric near the turtledeck. My airplane had all these
issues, making it much more difficult to trailer than an early Avid or
Kitfox.
- Pad your vertical fin where the flapperons get close to it during the wing
fold. The flapperons on a model IV are disconnected, so the only thing
holding them up is the vertical fin and rudder. You don't want to get home
to find you need to do fabric repair where the flapperon trailing edge
rubbed through the fin fabric.
- Strap down the wheels and the gear so the airplane doesn't bounce should
you hit a large pothole or crack in the road.
- Make sure the ELT is disabled/off. I heard of a guy that trailered a
Kitfox halfway across the country in an enclosed trailer, having the Civil
Air Patrol chasing him the entire way. (at least it proved that an elt
antenna will work with an inside the fueselage antenna...)
- Use a trailer with the lightest springs you can find, or as you said, load
the trailer accordingly to reduce the "jolt effect" to the airframe.
- You will need to seal up the cabin and turtledeck area so rain won't get
in when traveling. DON'T USE DUCT TAPE TO HOLD THE PLASTIC ON. It will pull
off paint from the fabric. I learned this one the hard way.
I know this might sound like a lot of BS, but if you keep this note handy
when putting it on the trailer, it will all make sense.
If you decide to use an enclosed trailer or truck, a kitfox will fit nicely
inside a u-haul truck if you remove one wing. A covered trailer or truck is
always nicer in my opinion, but not always as cheap or available. Either way
works, but the open trailer is generally more labor intensive.
And here's a little Avid/Kitfox trivia - The first Avid flyer was trailered
to and from Oshkosh 1983 on it's own wheels with just a tow bar. No trailer
required! They didn't use a trailer until they put it on floats the next
year. Oh yeah, they still opted to pull it tail first.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Don G" <donghe@one-eleven.net>
Sent: Friday, May 18, 2007 6:29 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: KitFox wheel base?
>
> John,
> Thank you so very much for the offer.
> Lynn sent me the pics of the braces, and I think I could fabricate them
> pretty quickly though. I have all the materilas on hand and a really good
> shop.
> Seems I could make them telescoping and just drill one side of the center
> so I could adjust them on site for length on the plane and then drill the
> other side using 1st hole to locate.
>
> This probably wont take as long as building braces for the rear of the
> fuse on the trailer and maybe some sides...some thing to hold the
> wings...arghh.. Today I am going to search for an 24 ft enclosed trailer
> to rent..borrow...I would much rather sling the wings in an enclosed
> trailer.
>
> Getting the Kolb trailered down there is about as much of a problem to
> figure out.
>
> Anybody know anything about N85KF...Yellow with red trim, built by Solomon
> Bradman ...florida address????
>
> --------
> Don G.
> Central Illinois
> FireFly#098
> Luscombe 8A
>
> http://www.geocities.com/dagger369th/my_firefly.htm
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=113540#113540
>
>
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Don: the A/C database gave the following info: A/C s/n JBS-071/Model 4/Rotax engine
but no model number/ built 2003/ owner; Minors Marine,2567 Buffalo Trl,Morristown,Tn.
37814-5905.Thats all I know. --- Leon Morris/Classic 4 Sptr/50%
---- Don G <donghe@one-eleven.net> wrote:
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> Anybody know anything about N85KF...Yellow with red trim, built by Solomon Bradman
...florida address????
>
> --------
> Don G.
> Central Illinois
> FireFly#098
> Luscombe 8A
>
> http://www.geocities.com/dagger369th/my_firefly.htm
>
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| Subject: | Re: Elevator trim |
Hey Lynn, Is your elevator trim the same Rans system that is sold in Aircraft Spruce
and if so what set up do you have? Thanks---Leon Morris/Classic4 Sptr/50%
---- Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net> wrote:
>
> Maybe lower the tire pressure on the plane to practically nothing,
> support the tailwheel on old sofa cushions or an old overstuffed
> chair. You might look like the Beverly Hillbillies, but who cares?
> The wing supports go from the attach point of the wing's front spar
> down to one of the tabs on the fuselage. You can build them as crude
> as you'd like for a "one-shot" deal, maybe even hammering out the
> ends of pipe, instead of welding in a nice tab. I'm sending you a
> picture of mine on separate mailing.
>
>
> Lynn Matteson
> Grass Lake, Michigan
> Kitfox IV Speedster w/Jabiru 2200
> flying w/275+ hrs
> do not archive
>
>
> On May 17, 2007, at 5:33 PM, Don G wrote:
>
> >
> > I dont plan to haul it ever again, If I buy it, it will live in a
> > nice cushy hangar.
> > I have a 16ft tandem flatbed utility...7000 gvw...about 1200 empty
> > and I am aware that this is sprung a tad stiff for airplane duty.
> > But so far, it might be my only choice. I have lots of tractor
> > weights I might add to ease the ride. Dunno yet.
> > I now see that at least it will fit on the deck....barely.
> > I am looking for a better option still.
> >
> > What are these wing supports and how do they work? Do they attach
> > to the airframe?
> > I have seen mention of removeing the wings entirely and stowing
> > them. Will they fit in the length under the plane between the mains
> > and the tailwheel?
> > Ailerons would probably need to come off to do this?
> >
> > --------
> > Don G.
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Trailoring Checklist |
Attached is a checklist I made up for trailoring. It is a work in progress so
I would be interested in more ideas. I secure the prop after noticing it will
windmill slowly, one blade every few seconds starting about 45 mph.
--------
Tom Jones
Classic IV, Phase one
503, Warp
Ellensburg, WA
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| Subject: | Brakes little to none |
So you know how the brakes "should" behave when fixed...
My 1998 Classic IV with NSI engine (830 lbs), with Matco brakes.
I can stand the aircraft on it's nose (and almost have a few times) if I
apply too much brake on landing. So something is amiss.
SteveZ
Classic IV/NSI/CAP
Calgary
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of pilotpat
Sent: Monday, May 14, 2007 5:56 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Brakes little to none
I have little to no brakes now. pumped in fluid from bottom up twice till
overflowed and still very weak. any suggestions on problem
Also forgot to mention a while back that N821PK had 1st flight on April 10
2007
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| Subject: | Re: 912 ul throtlle choke cabel assembly |
Gerald,
Sorry I'm late on my email reply. John McBean has everything you need at
the Kitfox factory. Go online for Sportplane LLC or Kitfox and you could
also call 208 337-5111
Larry Boone, Denair, CA
Building Series 5 Outback
Rotax 912 uls, IVOPROP Med
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----- Original Message -----
From: Gerald Jantzi
To: Kitfox List
Sent: Monday, May 07, 2007 6:56 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: 912 ul throtlle choke cabel assembly
I am still trying to get information on what I should order an from
where. need throttle ,choke cable Assembly . need everything from
cockpit to carburetors. for kitfox 5 with rotax 912ul. is there any
model 5 drivers that can give me some input. thanks gerry
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BOy I am getting some good data from you fellas ! I feel like I am going to need
to settle up with you all somehow!
and...things are looking up!
I have located a 24ft enclosed trailer to haul the Speedester in. That is...if
it will fit inside with a ceiling height of 6'6???
CAn anybody advise me if this is possible?
plan to remove the wings and sling em to the side walls....build some sort of horse
for the tail to set on.
Dont know how High yet...cause I dont know how high the rudder to tailwheel mount
is on a 3 year old mk4 speedster...anyone help with that dimension?
Thx a mil gents!
--------
Don G.
Central Illinois
FireFly#098
Luscombe 8A
http://www.geocities.com/dagger369th/my_firefly.htm
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| Subject: | Re: Brakes little to none |
I can hold my plane still with full throttle....so I'm either under-
powered, over-propped, or over-braked. :)
Lynn Matteson
Grass Lake, Michigan
Kitfox IV Speedster w/Jabiru 2200
flying w/275+ hrs
do not archive
On May 18, 2007, at 11:32 AM, Steve Zakreski wrote:
>
> So you know how the brakes "should" behave when fixed...
> My 1998 Classic IV with NSI engine (830 lbs), with Matco brakes.
> I can stand the aircraft on it's nose (and almost have a few times)
> if I
> apply too much brake on landing. So something is amiss.
>
> SteveZ
> Classic IV/NSI/CAP
> Calgary
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| Subject: | Re: Elevator trim |
Mine is the one that was originally offered with the 1994
Speedster..the MAC system, which is now called the RAC system (Ray
Allen Company). It's a thin servo, and is built right into the elevtor.
Lynn
On May 18, 2007, at 10:36 AM, <l.morris@tx.rr.com> wrote:
>
> Hey Lynn, Is your elevator trim the same Rans system that is sold
> in Aircraft Spruce and if so what set up do you have? Thanks---Leon
> Morris/Classic4 Sptr/50%
> ---- Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net> wrote:
>>
>> Maybe lower the tire pressure on the plane to practically nothing,
>> support the tailwheel on old sofa cushions or an old overstuffed
>> chair. You might look like the Beverly Hillbillies, but who cares?
>> The wing supports go from the attach point of the wing's front spar
>> down to one of the tabs on the fuselage. You can build them as crude
>> as you'd like for a "one-shot" deal, maybe even hammering out the
>> ends of pipe, instead of welding in a nice tab. I'm sending you a
>> picture of mine on separate mailing.
>>
>>
>> Lynn Matteson
>> Grass Lake, Michigan
>> Kitfox IV Speedster w/Jabiru 2200
>> flying w/275+ hrs
>> do not archive
>>
>>
>> On May 17, 2007, at 5:33 PM, Don G wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> I dont plan to haul it ever again, If I buy it, it will live in a
>>> nice cushy hangar.
>>> I have a 16ft tandem flatbed utility...7000 gvw...about 1200 empty
>>> and I am aware that this is sprung a tad stiff for airplane duty.
>>> But so far, it might be my only choice. I have lots of tractor
>>> weights I might add to ease the ride. Dunno yet.
>>> I now see that at least it will fit on the deck....barely.
>>> I am looking for a better option still.
>>>
>>> What are these wing supports and how do they work? Do they attach
>>> to the airframe?
>>> I have seen mention of removeing the wings entirely and stowing
>>> them. Will they fit in the length under the plane between the mains
>>> and the tailwheel?
>>> Ailerons would probably need to come off to do this?
>>>
>>> --------
>>> Don G.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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| Subject: | Kitfox 5 Qualifying for Sport Pilot |
Hello LeRoy,
Best for you to check with Kitfox, (John, Debra) as the Kitfox V (depending on
how it was originally certified) does qualify under LSA rules.
Below is an excerpt from the Kitfox web site.
Does the Kitfox
qualify for Light Sport Aircraft (LSA)?
(click here to return to the top
of the page)
Absolutely ! The current
Kitfox can be operated at the 1320 lb gross weight when
on gear and the 1430 lb gross when on floats. It can
also be converted from floats, to skis, to tail wheel or
to Tricycle gear.. Your choice.
Time: 06:00:53 AM PST US
From: "Dacha" <tstaley@centurytel.net>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Kitfox V in Cameron Park California Area
Steven,
The Kitfox 5's do not qualify for sport pilot. The original ones gross
weight was 1400, then later went to 1550, mine is 1500. Only the 4's
will meet the gross weight limits.
Sorry,
LeRoy
Kitfox 5 594JD
Regards,
Steven
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Don,
My speedster mk 4 is 5'8" at the tail and cabin with 18.5 inch mains.
You will need to remove the prop.
John o
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[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Don G
Sent: Friday, May 18, 2007 2:13 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Trailering help
BOy I am getting some good data from you fellas ! I feel like I am going to
need to settle up with you all somehow!
and...things are looking up!
I have located a 24ft enclosed trailer to haul the Speedester in. That
is...if it will fit inside with a ceiling height of 6'6???
CAn anybody advise me if this is possible?
plan to remove the wings and sling em to the side walls....build some sort
of horse for the tail to set on.
Dont know how High yet...cause I dont know how high the rudder to tailwheel
mount is on a 3 year old mk4 speedster...anyone help with that dimension?
Thx a mil gents!
--------
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Central Illinois
FireFly#098
Luscombe 8A
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| Subject: | Re: Trailering help |
Thanks John...that is good news, as the trailer I have spotted is 6'6 inside height.
I kind figured I would need to remove the prop.
So you say it is about the same at the top of rudder also...hmm...not alot of room
to boost up the rear for something to sit under it then in a 6 '6" is there.
I will find something......
--------
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Central Illinois
FireFly#098
Luscombe 8A
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| Subject: | Gross Weight Question |
Randy wrote:
My Series 5 qualifies for Sport pilot. I assigned the gross weight a value
of 1320 lbs. As builder, I can do that.
Nick now writes:
I purchased a KitFox in January. Prior to buying it, I contacted the FAA and had
them send me, on a CD, all of the paperwork that they had on file for the airplane.
This included all of the airworthiness certificate applications, a copy
of the airworthiness certificate itself, the operating limitations, the registration,
etc. etc. etc. Bunch of paperwork.
NOWHERE in all of that paperwork was there any mention of the gross weight of the
aircraft.
I asked the builder about that, and he said, "Well, everybody just knows that the
gross weight of a Model IV-1200 is 1200 lbs." I said, "Sure, but where does
it actually SAY that?" He didn't know.
So, my question is, where is the gross weight of an experimental aircraft actually
stated or assigned? I was under the impression that the DAR needed to approve
the gross weight that is requested, but there is no evidence in the paperwork
that he did that. What am I missing?
Thanks.
Nick Scholtes
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| Subject: | Gross Weight Question |
Nick,
I believe that you are right. Nothing the FAA has says what the gross
weight for your plane.
BUT, you need to have weight and balance info in your plane in case you have
a ramp inspection. That says what the gross weight is. I think that there
is another place in YOUR paper work that is supposed to state the gross
weight.
Now you should get some corrections of what I said.
Randy Daughenbaugh, N10NH
Black Hills of South Dakota, - Near Mount Rushmore
Home Strip, Grass Room in Hangar for visitors
Series 5/7 (7 Firewall Forward) 912S, Warp Drive Taper Tip
Gross Weight 1320 lbs, Flying since November 2004
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Nick Scholtes
Sent: Friday, May 18, 2007 4:44 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Gross Weight Question
Randy wrote:
My Series 5 qualifies for Sport pilot. I assigned the gross weight a value
of 1320 lbs. As builder, I can do that.
Nick now writes:
I purchased a KitFox in January. Prior to buying it, I contacted the FAA
and had them send me, on a CD, all of the paperwork that they had on file
for the airplane. This included all of the airworthiness certificate
applications, a copy of the airworthiness certificate itself, the operating
limitations, the registration, etc. etc. etc. Bunch of paperwork.
NOWHERE in all of that paperwork was there any mention of the gross weight
of the aircraft.
I asked the builder about that, and he said, "Well, everybody just knows
that the gross weight of a Model IV-1200 is 1200 lbs." I said, "Sure, but
where does it actually SAY that?" He didn't know.
So, my question is, where is the gross weight of an experimental aircraft
actually stated or assigned? I was under the impression that the DAR needed
to approve the gross weight that is requested, but there is no evidence in
the paperwork that he did that. What am I missing?
Thanks.
Nick Scholtes
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| Subject: | Re: Gross Weight Question |
I think this is a no brainer. You make out a new weight and balance. Then visit
your friendly FSDO and take all your current paper work in with log books and
tell them you want to update your paperwork. They will do the paper work and
when it comes time to assign a gross weight of the aircraft they will take
the info off the weight and balance. If it says 1320 that is what they will put
down on the paperwork.
--------
kitfoxmike
model IV, 1200
speedster
912ul
building
RV7a
slowbuild wings, fuse
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| Subject: | Re: Gross Weight Question |
You are good. When you certificate you have two options:
Experimental Light Sport ( only till Jan 08)
Experimental Amateur Built
In your limitations at the end of Phase 1 you will be required to make a log entry
listing gross weight and several speeds. This is what will limit you.
If you log more than 1320 you cannot reduce later,but you can go back into Phase
1 and test to go higher.
I should finish my Model 7 in Aug and will go ELSA.
David
FAA DAR A & P, IA
Moder III/912 Model 7/912S
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| Subject: | Re: Kitfox 5 Qualifying for Sport Pilot |
Hi Steve,
If your Fox was certified at either the 1400 or 1550 it cannot be
reduced to 1320. Yes you can go up as my builder did but they wont let
you reduce the gross weight.
LeRoy
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| Subject: | Re: Kitfox 5 Qualifying for Sport Pilot |
Steve,
Friend of mine had a Kitfox 4 with a "Sub and inflight adj. prop. His
gross was on his data plate as 1200. If you add the weight of his plane,
859 plus 156 for 26 gals of fuel, 200 # for himself, total of 1215. This
only allows you for a 15# pound passenger or fly over gross. Which is
illegal also.So everytime he took up a passenger he was flying over
gross. My opinion is that flying a 5 under the sport pilot limits your
options if you remain under the 1320 figure.
Guess I dont really understand who sets the original gross wt figure.
Sounds like it is the builder.
I know the Fox's with the Subaru motors are heavier than the other
engines but watch your wt closely.
My Kitfox 5 weighs 895 empty, add fuel, oil, pilot, and a passenger and
I am way over the 1320 figure.
LeRoy
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| Subject: | Re: Gross Weight Question |
My max gross wt is on the data plate. Is that a current requirement?
Lowell Fitt
Cameron Park, CA
Model IV-1200 R-912 UL Warp
1998 850 hrs.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Randy Daughenbaugh" <rjdaugh@rapidnet.com>
Sent: Friday, May 18, 2007 4:12 PM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Gross Weight Question
> <rjdaugh@rapidnet.com>
>
> Nick,
> I believe that you are right. Nothing the FAA has says what the gross
> weight for your plane.
>
> BUT, you need to have weight and balance info in your plane in case you
> have
> a ramp inspection. That says what the gross weight is. I think that
> there
> is another place in YOUR paper work that is supposed to state the gross
> weight.
>
> Now you should get some corrections of what I said.
>
> Randy Daughenbaugh, N10NH
> Black Hills of South Dakota, - Near Mount Rushmore
> Home Strip, Grass Room in Hangar for visitors
> Series 5/7 (7 Firewall Forward) 912S, Warp Drive Taper Tip
> Gross Weight 1320 lbs, Flying since November 2004
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Nick Scholtes
> Sent: Friday, May 18, 2007 4:44 PM
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Gross Weight Question
>
>
> Randy wrote:
>
> My Series 5 qualifies for Sport pilot. I assigned the gross weight a value
>
> of 1320 lbs. As builder, I can do that.
>
>
> Nick now writes:
>
> I purchased a KitFox in January. Prior to buying it, I contacted the FAA
> and had them send me, on a CD, all of the paperwork that they had on file
> for the airplane. This included all of the airworthiness certificate
> applications, a copy of the airworthiness certificate itself, the
> operating
> limitations, the registration, etc. etc. etc. Bunch of paperwork.
>
> NOWHERE in all of that paperwork was there any mention of the gross weight
> of the aircraft.
>
> I asked the builder about that, and he said, "Well, everybody just knows
> that the gross weight of a Model IV-1200 is 1200 lbs." I said, "Sure, but
> where does it actually SAY that?" He didn't know.
>
> So, my question is, where is the gross weight of an experimental aircraft
> actually stated or assigned? I was under the impression that the DAR
> needed
> to approve the gross weight that is requested, but there is no evidence in
> the paperwork that he did that. What am I missing?
>
> Thanks.
>
> Nick Scholtes
>
>
>
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