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Wed 05/23/07


Total Messages Posted: 21



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     1. 03:21 AM - Re: gas cap venting (fox5flyer)
     2. 07:20 AM - Re: Straight Breakers vs. Breaker Switch? (n85ae)
     3. 07:22 AM - Re: Delaminating aileron traling edge (wingnut)
     4. 07:23 AM - Re: Rotax 582 failure (semi off-topic) (akflyer)
     5. 07:58 AM - Recent parts find (Rick)
     6. 08:37 AM - Re: Is there a better way to hang the doors on a 7 (W Duke)
     7. 08:38 AM - Re: gas cap venting (Marco Menezes)
     8. 09:11 AM - Re: gas cap venting (Guy Buchanan)
     9. 09:12 AM - Re: gas cap venting (Lynn Matteson)
    10. 09:23 AM - Exhaust Tube Question? (RAY Gignac)
    11. 09:36 AM - Re: gas cap venting (kurt schrader)
    12. 10:05 AM - Re: gas cap venting (Randy Daughenbaugh)
    13. 12:37 PM - Re: gas cap venting (Lowell Fitt)
    14. 01:00 PM - Re: gas cap venting (Marco Menezes)
    15. 01:19 PM - Re: gas cap venting (jdmcbean)
    16. 01:58 PM - Re: Re: Straight Breakers vs. Breaker Switch? (George Michaels)
    17. 02:41 PM - Re: N998DS (Don Smythe) (Michael Logan)
    18. 03:03 PM - Re: N998DS (Don Smythe) (Don Smythe)
    19. 03:09 PM - Apple Valley Fly-in (Lowell Fitt)
    20. 06:01 PM - Re: gas cap venting (Lynn Matteson)
    21. 06:11 PM - Re: Re: Straight Breakers vs. Breaker Switch? (kurt schrader)
 
 
 


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    Time: 03:21:02 AM PST US
    From: "fox5flyer" <fox5flyer@idealwifi.net>
    Subject: Re: gas cap venting
    Mal, it sounds as if you may be getting uneven pressures on the two caps. Did you replace both of them? Also, check the seals. It's important that both are sealed equally or you'll get a pressure imbalance which will cause fuel to push from one side to the other. Deke Morisse N148DM S5/Soob/CAP NE Michigan ----- Original Message ----- From: Malcolmbru@aol.com To: kitfox-list@matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2007 9:42 PM Subject: Kitfox-List: gas cap venting my new gas cap came today. it is the same brand Eaton with the same type of s steal vent tube welded to it , but the new one is drilled all the way threw the cap and welded from the inside as well, then the old vent holes on the inside are welded shut it is much easer to blow thru the new one. my old cap's are welded from the top only they aren't drilled all the way threw and the bottom is left alone. I am a little worried about gas spilling out the gas cap vent of the new cap my old one has never leaked Last week I flew for 1 11/2 hr and the left tank went dry. the other tank had air bubbles in the hose and I could see air bubbles on the header tank vent line running up and down the hose I was kind of worried about running out of gas. mal KF11 ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- See what's free at AOL.com.


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    Time: 07:20:48 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Straight Breakers vs. Breaker Switch?
    From: "n85ae" <n85ae@yahoo.com>
    crazyivan wrote: > Automotive fuse boxes are made from plastic (or some sort of non-aviation polycarbonate) and automoticve grade wire. If this catches fire then you'll have some toxic fumes quickly accumulating. > Not in my Kitfox, you could light a smoke grenade in the cockpit, and no fume problems with all the draft's I have. :) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=114362#114362


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    Time: 07:22:05 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Delaminating aileron traling edge
    From: "wingnut" <wingnut@spamarrest.com>
    Drat. I already panicked and canceled the check ride. Thanks for the help guys. I'm leaning toward re-glueing that trailing edge anyway just for aesthetics (not to mention that I already ordered that expensive structural epoxy from Aircraft Spruce :-) ). At least I'll have some piece of mind if it ever happens again. Luis N824KF Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=114363#114363


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    Time: 07:23:31 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Rotax 582 failure (semi off-topic)
    From: "akflyer" <akflyer_2000@yahoo.com>
    I have seen this quite a bit on snowmachines.. in fact had one almost identical two years ago on my AC 600. From the enlarged pics it looks like the piston siezed first and it twisted off the conrod. I have lost conrod bearings before and it will get to slapping and knocking, but that twisted conrod leads me to beleive the piston was the culprit. See if you can find out if the scuffing on the piston was on the intake or exhaust side. -------- Leonard Perry Soldotna AK Avid &quot;C&quot; / Mk IV 582 IVO IFA Full Lotus 1260 95% complete Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=114364#114364


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    Time: 07:58:23 AM PST US
    From: "Rick" <wingsdown@verizon.net>
    Subject: Recent parts find
    Just ran across some interesting spare parts while setting up the new garage. I found an unused set of NSI CAP accumulator brushes (3) and a set of new bushings for the nose strut assembly. Please contact off list if interested. Will provide pics on request. I am reposting an up dated list of other parts I have, not all inclusive. Custom air oil separators (as seen on sportflight pic post) $150.00 each......................both for 250 CAP 140 complete hub assembly for NSI redrive, may fit others, no blades $ 600.00 E.I digital EGT instrument, no probe $180 each or both for $300.00.................... Electric clock model MD-90 $60.00..................... Wheel pant left side only painted ready to mount or repaint $50.00............ VDO gages: 2 1/8 tack , water temp,oil pressure, boost, large RPM 3 1/8 maybe 1/4, EGT make offer.............. Horizontal Stabilator faired strut braces pair $100.00................. Custom super trapp exhaust system. Will require the welding of a 3 bolt flange to exhaust down pipe. $300.00 Pics on request.................... EA-81 turbo engine parts, blocks, engine mounts left and right, cranks, rods, push rods, heads, cams, open price to be set, accepting offers................ To include one block prepared by RAM, bored, special locating pin machine work, crank , black power coated, ready to use. NSI alternator pulley New $60.00....................... SS flight controls all factory parts available in excellent condition.................... Airborne vacuum regulator valve model 2H3-23 #9AK FAA PMA list $728.00 in ACS catalog make offer.................. Airborne filter mount with filter best offer............. Thanks Rick 3:49 PM


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    Time: 08:37:36 AM PST US
    From: W Duke <n981ms@yahoo.com>
    Subject: Re: Is there a better way to hang the doors on a 7
    I found some clips at McMaster Carr with the sam diameter as the stock pins. Work fine and to remove the doors just separate the hinge halves. I don't have a picture handy though. Maxwell George Michaels <bajtme@verizon.net> wrote: Standard way of the hinge mount, does someone have a better and easier solution. Possible removable doors? If you have a picture that would be great. Maxwell Duke S6/IO240/Phase II Flight Testing --------------------------------- Sick sense of humor? Visit Yahoo! TV's Comedy with an Edge to see what's on, when.


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    Time: 08:38:59 AM PST US
    From: Marco Menezes <msm_9949@yahoo.com>
    Subject: Re: gas cap venting
    Mal - My caps are the same type as your "old " caps. I had similar problems with them: one I could blow through (barely) and the other seemed to be completely plugged. I drilled 3/16" holes on the bottom center of each, apparently like the one you describe in your "new" cap. Now I can easily blow through both of them. (It's part of pre-flight ck list). I also replaced seals as Deke suggested (with Mercedes-Benz gas cap seals) Now caps vent just fine, both tanks flow and, after 60 hours, no leaks. Malcolmbru@aol.com wrote: my new gas cap came today. it is the same brand Eaton with the same type of s steal vent tube welded to it , but the new one is drilled all the way threw the cap and welded from the inside as well, then the old vent holes on the inside are welded shut it is much easer to blow thru the new one. my old cap's are welded from the top only they aren't drilled all the way threw and the bottom is left alone. I am a little worried about gas spilling out the gas cap vent of the new cap my old one has never leaked Last week I flew for 1 11/2 hr and the left tank went dry. the other tank had air bubbles in the hose and I could see air bubbles on the header tank vent line running up and down the hose I was kind of worried about running out of gas. mal KF11 --------------------------------- See what's free at AOL.com. Marco Menezes Model 2 582 N99KX --------------------------------- Need a vacation? Get great deals to amazing places on Yahoo! Travel.


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    Time: 09:11:55 AM PST US
    From: Guy Buchanan <bnn@nethere.com>
    Subject: Re: gas cap venting
    At 07:42 PM 5/22/2007, you wrote: > I am a little worried about gas spilling out the gas cap vent > of the new cap my old one has never leaked I believe I have the same caps with the same problem. When Skystar welded the caps it appears they welded the steel tube to the outer cap and to the spring plate inside. They also welded the inside vent holes. I believe fuel is migrating between the spring plate and cap inner surface and thence into the cap interior and out the rim vent holes. (I don't think the spring plate weld penetrated to the cap inner surface.) It's a very slow leak, but consistent. When I remove the caps I can shake out fuel. Others have told me they have filled their caps with resin, or at least plugged the rim vent holes to prevent this leak path. I will try the resin trick. Guy Buchanan San Diego, CA K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 100% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar.


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    Time: 09:12:42 AM PST US
    From: Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net>
    Subject: Re: gas cap venting
    Speaking of the Mercedes-Benz seals/gaskets, are they rubber (or Neoprene), and as such, do they fit over the cap locking tabs easily? The gaskets on my caps are stiff, like some kind of very heavy paper, and I would not want to try to remove them with thoughts of saving them. If the M-B gaskets are the same, stiff paper-like gaskets, I'll stick with what I've got. If the M-B gaskets are rubbery, I may look into getting some. Lynn Matteson Grass Lake, Michigan Kitfox IV Speedster w/Jabiru 2200 flying w/293+ hrs On May 23, 2007, at 11:38 AM, Marco Menezes wrote: > Mal - > > My caps are the same type as your "old " caps. I had similar > problems with them: one I could blow through (barely) and the other > seemed to be completely plugged. I drilled 3/16" holes on the > bottom center of each, apparently like the one you describe in your > "new" cap. Now I can easily blow through both of them. (It's part > of pre-flight ck list). > > I also replaced seals as Deke suggested (with Mercedes-Benz gas cap > seals) Now caps vent just fine, both tanks flow and, after 60 > hours, no leaks. > > Malcolmbru@aol.com wrote: > my new gas cap came today. it is the same brand Eaton with the > same type of s steal vent tube welded to it , but the new one is > drilled all the way threw the cap and welded from the inside as > well, then the old vent holes on the inside are welded shut it is > much easer to blow thru the new one. my old cap's are welded from > the top only they aren't drilled all the way threw and the bottom > is left alone. > I am a little worried about gas spilling out the gas cap vent > of the new cap my old one has never leaked > Last week I flew for 1 11/2 hr and the left tank went dry. the > other tank had air bubbles in the hose and I could see air > bubbles on the header tank vent line running up and down the hose > I was kind of worried about running out of gas. mal KF11 > > > Need a vacation? Get great deals to amazing places on Yahoo! > Travel. _- > www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List _- > ===========================================================


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    Time: 09:23:00 AM PST US
    From: "RAY Gignac" <kitfoxpilot@msn.com>
    Subject: Exhaust Tube Question?
    I have a Model IV 1200 with a 912ULS installed. My problem is this, on the #3 cylinder, the exhaust tube is rubbing on the firewall at the bend in the tube causing wear! what should I do to fix this problem? Ray _________________________________________________________________ Catch suspicious messages before you open themwith Windows Live Hotmail.


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    Time: 09:36:03 AM PST US
    From: kurt schrader <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
    Subject: Re: gas cap venting
    I had the same leaky gasket/fuel transfer problem on the second leg of my first x-country. Did an emergency fix buy buying some of that orange rubber gasket sheet from an auto store and cutting my own. It was a little thick, but you can adjust the tabs for that. But I would like to know about the M-B gaskets too. Always open to something better. kurt S. S-5/NSI turbo Florida and panama --- Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net> wrote: > Speaking of the Mercedes-Benz seals/gaskets, are > they rubber (or > Neoprene), and as such, do they fit over the cap > locking tabs easily? Check out fitting gifts for grads at Yahoo! Search http://search.yahoo.com/search?fr=oni_on_mail&p=graduation+gifts&cs=bz


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    Time: 10:05:50 AM PST US
    From: "Randy Daughenbaugh" <rjdaugh@rapidnet.com>
    Subject: gas cap venting
    Lynn, They are a blue rubber. Very flexible. You are right, the paper ones are unusable after removing. Randy . -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Lynn Matteson Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2007 10:09 AM Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: gas cap venting Speaking of the Mercedes-Benz seals/gaskets, are they rubber (or Neoprene), and as such, do they fit over the cap locking tabs easily? The gaskets on my caps are stiff, like some kind of very heavy paper, and I would not want to try to remove them with thoughts of saving them. If the M-B gaskets are the same, stiff paper-like gaskets, I'll stick with what I've got. If the M-B gaskets are rubbery, I may look into getting some. Lynn Matteson Grass Lake, Michigan Kitfox IV Speedster w/Jabiru 2200 flying w/293+ hrs On May 23, 2007, at 11:38 AM, Marco Menezes wrote: > Mal - > > My caps are the same type as your "old " caps. I had similar > problems with them: one I could blow through (barely) and the other > seemed to be completely plugged. I drilled 3/16" holes on the > bottom center of each, apparently like the one you describe in your > "new" cap. Now I can easily blow through both of them. (It's part > of pre-flight ck list). > > I also replaced seals as Deke suggested (with Mercedes-Benz gas cap > seals) Now caps vent just fine, both tanks flow and, after 60 > hours, no leaks. > > Malcolmbru@aol.com wrote: > my new gas cap came today. it is the same brand Eaton with the > same type of s steal vent tube welded to it , but the new one is > drilled all the way threw the cap and welded from the inside as > well, then the old vent holes on the inside are welded shut it is > much easer to blow thru the new one. my old cap's are welded from > the top only they aren't drilled all the way threw and the bottom > is left alone. > I am a little worried about gas spilling out the gas cap vent > of the new cap my old one has never leaked > Last week I flew for 1 11/2 hr and the left tank went dry. the > other tank had air bubbles in the hose and I could see air > bubbles on the header tank vent line running up and down the hose > I was kind of worried about running out of gas. mal KF11 > > > Need a vacation? Get great deals to amazing places on Yahoo! > Travel. _- > www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List _- > ===========================================================


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    Time: 12:37:03 PM PST US
    From: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net>
    Subject: Re: gas cap venting
    Quoting from an earlier post from Ben B. Guys the Mercedes Fuel cap gasket is P/N 140-471-00-79 Also under E2060-124896 It is listed as a hard seal 58x37.5x2.5. A google search on the E2060- 124896 number gives some sources. Lowell ----- Original Message ----- From: "kurt schrader" <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com> Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2007 9:35 AM Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: gas cap venting > <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com> > > I had the same leaky gasket/fuel transfer problem on > the second leg of my first x-country. Did an > emergency fix buy buying some of that orange rubber > gasket sheet from an auto store and cutting my own. > It was a little thick, but you can adjust the tabs for > that. > > But I would like to know about the M-B gaskets too. > Always open to something better. > > kurt S. > S-5/NSI turbo > Florida and panama > > --- Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net> wrote: > >> Speaking of the Mercedes-Benz seals/gaskets, are >> they rubber (or >> Neoprene), and as such, do they fit over the cap >> locking tabs easily? > > > Check out fitting gifts for grads at Yahoo! Search > http://search.yahoo.com/search?fr=oni_on_mail&p=graduation+gifts&cs=bz > > >


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    Time: 01:00:50 PM PST US
    From: Marco Menezes <msm_9949@yahoo.com>
    Subject: Re: gas cap venting
    Lynn, The M-B gaskets are rubber, pliable and thicker than the stiff paper type that come with the cap. I ordered them on-line from some imported car parts house, about $6 each. I had the p/n but can't locate it now check the archives. Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net> wrote: Speaking of the Mercedes-Benz seals/gaskets, are they rubber (or Neoprene), and as such, do they fit over the cap locking tabs easily? The gaskets on my caps are stiff, like some kind of very heavy paper, and I would not want to try to remove them with thoughts of saving them. If the M-B gaskets are the same, stiff paper-like gaskets, I'll stick with what I've got. If the M-B gaskets are rubbery, I may look into getting some. Lynn Matteson Grass Lake, Michigan Kitfox IV Speedster w/Jabiru 2200 flying w/293+ hrs On May 23, 2007, at 11:38 AM, Marco Menezes wrote: > Mal - > > My caps are the same type as your "old " caps. I had similar > problems with them: one I could blow through (barely) and the other > seemed to be completely plugged. I drilled 3/16" holes on the > bottom center of each, apparently like the one you describe in your > "new" cap. Now I can easily blow through both of them. (It's part > of pre-flight ck list). > > I also replaced seals as Deke suggested (with Mercedes-Benz gas cap > seals) Now caps vent just fine, both tanks flow and, after 60 > hours, no leaks. > > Malcolmbru@aol.com wrote: > my new gas cap came today. it is the same brand Eaton with the > same type of s steal vent tube welded to it , but the new one is > drilled all the way threw the cap and welded from the inside as > well, then the old vent holes on the inside are welded shut it is > much easer to blow thru the new one. my old cap's are welded from > the top only they aren't drilled all the way threw and the bottom > is left alone. > I am a little worried about gas spilling out the gas cap vent > of the new cap my old one has never leaked > Last week I flew for 1 11/2 hr and the left tank went dry. the > other tank had air bubbles in the hose and I could see air > bubbles on the header tank vent line running up and down the hose > I was kind of worried about running out of gas. mal KF11 > > > Need a vacation? Get great deals to amazing places on Yahoo! > Travel. _- > www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List _- > =========================================================== Marco Menezes Model 2 582 N99KX Shape Yahoo! in your own image. Join our Network Research Panel today!http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=48517/*http://surveylink.yahoo.com/gmrs/yahoo_panel_invite.asp?a=7 hot CTA = Join our Network Research Panel


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    Time: 01:19:46 PM PST US
    From: "jdmcbean" <jdmcbean@kitfoxaircraft.com>
    Subject: gas cap venting
    We have the rubber type gaskets in stock. Fly Safe !! John & Debra McBean 208.337.5111 www.kitfoxaircraft.com "It's not how Fast... It's how Fun!" -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Lynn Matteson Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2007 10:09 AM Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: gas cap venting Speaking of the Mercedes-Benz seals/gaskets, are they rubber (or Neoprene), and as such, do they fit over the cap locking tabs easily? The gaskets on my caps are stiff, like some kind of very heavy paper, and I would not want to try to remove them with thoughts of saving them. If the M-B gaskets are the same, stiff paper-like gaskets, I'll stick with what I've got. If the M-B gaskets are rubbery, I may look into getting some. Lynn Matteson Grass Lake, Michigan Kitfox IV Speedster w/Jabiru 2200 flying w/293+ hrs On May 23, 2007, at 11:38 AM, Marco Menezes wrote: > Mal - > > My caps are the same type as your "old " caps. I had similar > problems with them: one I could blow through (barely) and the other > seemed to be completely plugged. I drilled 3/16" holes on the > bottom center of each, apparently like the one you describe in your > "new" cap. Now I can easily blow through both of them. (It's part > of pre-flight ck list). > > I also replaced seals as Deke suggested (with Mercedes-Benz gas cap > seals) Now caps vent just fine, both tanks flow and, after 60 > hours, no leaks. > > Malcolmbru@aol.com wrote: > my new gas cap came today. it is the same brand Eaton with the > same type of s steal vent tube welded to it , but the new one is > drilled all the way threw the cap and welded from the inside as > well, then the old vent holes on the inside are welded shut it is > much easer to blow thru the new one. my old cap's are welded from > the top only they aren't drilled all the way threw and the bottom > is left alone. > I am a little worried about gas spilling out the gas cap vent > of the new cap my old one has never leaked > Last week I flew for 1 11/2 hr and the left tank went dry. the > other tank had air bubbles in the hose and I could see air > bubbles on the header tank vent line running up and down the hose > I was kind of worried about running out of gas. mal KF11 > > > Need a vacation? Get great deals to amazing places on Yahoo! > Travel. _- > www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List _- > =========================================================== 3:59 PM 3:59 PM


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    Time: 01:58:50 PM PST US
    From: George Michaels <bajtme@verizon.net>
    Subject: Re: Straight Breakers vs. Breaker Switch?
    Don Smythe <dosmythe@cox.net> wrote: I agree that being able to get to the fuse box "might" be helpful in flight. See the attached pic of my panel. On the far right you see a rectangular area in the face of the instrument panel. There is a small knob at the top that opens the door. Behind the door are the automotive blade fuse holders. There are also extra fuses in that area. You can open this door in flight and get access to the fuses. There is also an emergency bypass switch behind the door that will bypass the master solenoid if that solenoid should fail in flight. You can regain connection from the battery to the main buss if the solenoid fail. Don Smythe ----- Original Message ----- From: "crazyivan" Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2007 6:49 PM Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Straight Breakers vs. Breaker Switch? > > Solid advice on this thread. The only thing I disagree with is John's (no > offense intended) recommendation about putting automotive breakers under > the dash. > > Automotive fuse boxes are made from plastic (or some sort of non-aviation > polycarbonate) and automoticve grade wire. If this catches fire then > you'll have some toxic fumes quickly accumulating. > > As for mounting it under the dash, if you lose some equipment or suspect > an electrical problem, being able to see which breaker tripped greatly > aides in troubleshooting your in-flight malfunction/emergency. > > Again, no offense John. This is just my opinion and it's worth the > proverbial 2 cents. > > -------- > Dave > Speedster 912 UL > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=114278#114278 > > >


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    Time: 02:41:33 PM PST US
    From: "Michael Logan" <michael.logan@cox.net>
    Subject: N998DS (Don Smythe)
    Good on you Don. If you ever want a Kitfox fix, just give me shout and I will fly down there and take you up. Mike Logan _____ From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Don Smythe Sent: Sunday, May 20, 2007 8:39 PM Subject: Kitfox-List: N998DS (Don Smythe) N998DS has been sold. I will now invest the money into a Hot Tub and other things I can enjoy around the house. Here is an interesting point that might help others in the future. I have Falcon insurance and the new buyer was seeking the same company. They insisted that he have one hour with a CFI in my Fox. I called my Falcon agent and asked him who was best qualified to give the new buyer a checkout, a CFI that may have never flown a Fox much less mine or the builder how built the flew the airplane. His comment was, "That makes a lot of since". Long story short, Falcon agreed to insure my buyer under the understanding that "I" would provide one hour of "indoctrination" flight training in my Fox. We did that today and I logged the one hour training into his flight log book. I know the difficulties I've seen on the list with people trying to get flight training with CFI's in a Fox. This proves you can negotiate these issues. Don't take the first thing you here. Use your imagination and negotiate. It might pay off. Don Smythe


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    Time: 03:03:56 PM PST US
    From: "Don Smythe" <dosmythe@cox.net>
    Subject: Re: N998DS (Don Smythe)
    Appreciate that Mike. While you are here we can share a bottle of wine in the hot tub. Come to think of it, that doesn't sound to good. Don Smythe Do Not Archive ----- Original Message ----- From: Michael Logan To: kitfox-list@matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2007 5:40 PM Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: N998DS (Don Smythe) Good on you Don. If you ever want a Kitfox fix, just give me shout and I will fly down there and take you up. Mike Logan ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Don Smythe Sent: Sunday, May 20, 2007 8:39 PM To: Kitfox List Subject: Kitfox-List: N998DS (Don Smythe) N998DS has been sold. I will now invest the money into a Hot Tub and other things I can enjoy around the house. Here is an interesting point that might help others in the future. I have Falcon insurance and the new buyer was seeking the same company. They insisted that he have one hour with a CFI in my Fox. I called my Falcon agent and asked him who was best qualified to give the new buyer a checkout, a CFI that may have never flown a Fox much less mine or the builder how built the flew the airplane. His comment was, "That makes a lot of since". Long story short, Falcon agreed to insure my buyer under the understanding that "I" would provide one hour of "indoctrination" flight training in my Fox. We did that today and I logged the one hour training into his flight log book. I know the difficulties I've seen on the list with people trying to get flight training with CFI's in a Fox. This proves you can negotiate these issues. Don't take the first thing you here. Use your imagination and negotiate. It might pay off. Don Smythe href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List">http://www.matron href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com


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    Time: 03:09:24 PM PST US
    From: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net>
    Subject: Apple Valley Fly-in
    There will be an ultralight fly-in at Apple Valley airport in the high desert of Southern California saturday and there should be at least two kitfoxes there. This might be a good chance for some of us to piggy back on this event as an excuse to get together. Lowell


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    Time: 06:01:47 PM PST US
    From: Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net>
    Subject: Re: gas cap venting
    Sounds much easier/better to order from you John, than going to the "furrin car" places...I'll be ordering a pair. Lynn Matteson Grass Lake, Michigan Kitfox IV Speedster w/Jabiru 2200 flying w/293+ hrs do not archive On May 23, 2007, at 4:19 PM, jdmcbean wrote: > <jdmcbean@kitfoxaircraft.com> > > We have the rubber type gaskets in stock. > > Fly Safe !! > John & Debra McBean > 208.337.5111 > www.kitfoxaircraft.com > "It's not how Fast... It's how Fun!" > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Lynn > Matteson > Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2007 10:09 AM > To: kitfox-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: gas cap venting > > > Speaking of the Mercedes-Benz seals/gaskets, are they rubber (or > Neoprene), and as such, do they fit over the cap locking tabs easily? >


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    Time: 06:11:37 PM PST US
    From: kurt schrader <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
    Subject: Re: Straight Breakers vs. Breaker Switch?
    I spent a lot of time on my panel arrangement. My main buss runs along the bottom of the panel and directly to each fuse or C/B, then up to the item to be controlled or protected. If a gauge fails, you can look immediately, in time and place, below for the fuse. I ran a verticle buss down to the counsel. There you will find things like my trim C/B, trim gauge and trim switch. No need to look for the C/B or fuse if you get runaway trim. You can immediately grab and pull the C/B. Also I wired it so counter-trimming should trip the C/B as an immediate action item. Some items are not realted to gauges. For example, I put a C/B switch to the right of my throttle for the landing light. On and off with your thumb while still on the throttle. It is a flat faced rocker switch, not one of those pin head C/B's that mess you up in an accident when your face hits it. Not electrical, but the throttle is below the MP gauge. The prop control is below the Tach. The mixture control is below the EGT and Fuel/Air ration gauges. I was planning for old age, I guess. :-) There is a main buss C/B and 2 seperate battery circuits with masters. Either can power the main buss and both can be turned off in flight to isolate a fire, leaving 2 essential busses for ignition and fuel pumps thru seperate C/B's. I think the only under panel fuse I have is for the alternator field circuit. I actually enjoyed planning it out and playing with cardboard and stickons until I got it good enough. Still, I have fuses, C/B's, and C/B switches to make it functional. While I planned for ease of flow, easy operations and emergencies, I may have introduced weaker parts to make it happen. It was a compromise, but one that I felt would protect itself and me pretty well, so I guess I like it. Panel pic available on request. (It is too many KB's to attach here.) Kurt S. S-5/NSI turbo Florida and panama http://mobile.yahoo.com/go?refer=1GNXIC




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