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1. 12:34 AM - Re: Apple Valley Fly-in (Rick)
2. 07:47 AM - Cameron Park Kitfox Fly-in and BBQ (Lowell Fitt)
3. 08:10 AM - Re: Cameron Park Kitfox Fly-in and BBQ (Lynn Matteson)
4. 07:10 PM - Grove gear and matco wheels?? (Don G)
5. 07:34 PM - Re: Grove gear and matco wheels?? (Lynn Matteson)
6. 08:02 PM - Re: Re: Straight Breakers vs. Breaker Switch? (Noel Loveys)
7. 09:52 PM - Re: Re: Straight Breakers vs. Breaker Switch? (vft@aol.com)
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| Subject: | Apple Valley Fly-in |
Anyone willing and able to do a pick up at F70?
Rick
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Lowell Fitt
Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2007 3:08 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Apple Valley Fly-in
There will be an ultralight fly-in at Apple Valley airport in the high
desert of Southern California saturday and there should be at least two
kitfoxes there. This might be a good chance for some of us to piggy
back on
this event as an excuse to get together.
Lowell
3:49 PM
3:49 PM
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| Subject: | Cameron Park Kitfox Fly-in and BBQ |
I have mentioned the event a couple of times as comments on posts, but have
not made a formal invitation to the Kitfox List. So here goes.
On June 9th from morning to whenever, my wife Kay and I are hosting the 9th
Cameron Park Kitfox fly-in and BBQ. We do it for fun and that it is.
Typically we attract about 20 or so Kitfoxes and several other home built
types including Rans and RVs. All are welcome - flyers, builders, friends.
For further information and flying or driving instructions go to
http://cameronparkkitfox.com
For those wishing to come early due to travel distances, drop a note and we
can arrange a place to bunk.
Lowell Fitt
Cameron Park, CA
Model IV-1200 R-912 UL Warp
1998 850 hrs.
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| Subject: | Re: Cameron Park Kitfox Fly-in and BBQ |
I talked with Debra at Kitfox last evening, and she and John are
planning on coming.
Lynn Matteson
Grass Lake, Michigan
Kitfox IV Speedster w/Jabiru 2200
flying w/293+ hrs
do not archive
On May 24, 2007, at 10:46 AM, Lowell Fitt wrote:
> <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net>
>
> I have mentioned the event a couple of times as comments on posts,
> but have not made a formal invitation to the Kitfox List. So here
> goes.
>
> On June 9th from morning to whenever, my wife Kay and I are hosting
> the 9th Cameron Park Kitfox fly-in and BBQ. We do it for fun and
> that it is. Typically we attract about 20 or so Kitfoxes and
> several other home built types including Rans and RVs. All are
> welcome - flyers, builders, friends.
>
> For further information and flying or driving instructions go to
> http://cameronparkkitfox.com
>
> For those wishing to come early due to travel distances, drop a
> note and we can arrange a place to bunk.
>
> Lowell Fitt
> Cameron Park, CA
> Model IV-1200 R-912 UL Warp
> 1998 850 hrs.
>
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| Subject: | Grove gear and matco wheels?? |
Gents,
All of you fellas who have changed to the Grove gear can you tell me if the matco
wheels and axles from the welded tube gear will fit the grove legs?
At 1571 bucks...(just checked groves website for price..gulp!) for 24 lbs of aluminum...dont
want to spend any more than I have to.
BTW,,,for a MK4 speedster....
--------
Don G.
Central Illinois
FireFly#098
Luscombe 8A
http://www.geocities.com/dagger369th/my_firefly.htm
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=114650#114650
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| Subject: | Re: Grove gear and matco wheels?? |
I have the Douglas wheels, with Matco brakes, and they fit perfectly
to the Grove gear. But I could not use my stock axles...I had to use
the axles that Grove provided.
Lynn Matteson
Grass Lake, Michigan
Kitfox IV Speedster w/Jabiru 2200
flying w/293+ hrs
On May 24, 2007, at 10:09 PM, Don G wrote:
>
> Gents,
> All of you fellas who have changed to the Grove gear can you tell
> me if the matco wheels and axles from the welded tube gear will fit
> the grove legs?
> At 1571 bucks...(just checked groves website for price..gulp!) for
> 24 lbs of aluminum...dont want to spend any more than I have to.
>
> BTW,,,for a MK4 speedster....
>
> --------
> Don G.
> Central Illinois
> FireFly#098
> Luscombe 8A
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| Subject: | Re: Straight Breakers vs. Breaker Switch? |
I can heartily agree with Bob Nuckols reasons for liking fuses over
breakers...but removing blade fuses and even locating blown circuits
while
trying to fly a plane can be interesting. Breakers give the
control/visual
cues I prefer.
As for your comments on wire size, burning, Etc. Right on! The wire
sizes
should be chosen for de-rated current draw. This means that there
should be
no splices into wires to power any one of numerous frivolous devices.
If
you really need it add an extra protected circuit. Make sure that all
your
wiring is protected... most certified aircraft will actually have one
side
of the buss attached directly to it's buss so the whole circuit is
protected.
Having worked with both coloured wires and certified white wiring I now
feel
much more comfortable with the white wiring. The wires themselves are
manufactured to more exacting tolerances. The insulations are less
likely
to burn and are much more rugged. There are many shielded cables
available
in different sizes. Finally the wire charts in AC 43 will work with
certified wire... I don't think I can say the same thing about
automotive
style wire in its myriad of Sesame Street colour.
Noel Loveys, RPP, AME intern
Campbellton, Newfoundland,
Canada
Kitfox Mod III-A, 582, B box, Ivo IFA
Aerocet 1100s
<mailto:noelloveys@yahoo.ca> noelloveys@yahoo.ca
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bob
> Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2007 2:50 PM
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Straight Breakers vs. Breaker Switch?
>
>
>
> +1 on the Bob Nuckols website and guidance, especially these
> days in airplanes with electronic ignition or fuel control.
> Unlike the days where the mags would keep the fan turning,
> circuit design has become truly important even for VFR
> airplanes. For example, the Diamond diesel twin was just
> AD'd after a couple of flight instructors took off with
> near-dead batteries and found that retracting the gear
> reduced the buss voltage enough to kill the controls for BOTH engines.
>
> Circuit protection, be it CB or fuse, is not a personal
> convenience. The protection is sized to protect the wire
> used, NOT for whatever is at the end of the wire. I've seen
> shorted wires light paper scraps and lint on fire.
> Non-aviation wire insulations can actually catch fire or melt
> off, posing their own hazard. The other thing that is often
> ignored is that the CB or fuse provides a last-ditch chance
> to kill a circuit manually. If the contacts in the switch
> for your electric trim just failed in the closed position,
> you would probably want to be able to pull the breaker ASAP.
>
> Bob
> A&P, Aero Eng
> Series 5 Vixen in-work
> Gaithersburg, MD
>
> --------
> Remember that internet advice may only be worth what you pay.
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=114196#114196
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Straight Breakers vs. Breaker Switch? |
You don't need to restrict yourself to the color white if you want to use th
e higher quality Tefzel wire. It is available in just about any color includ
ing multi color. As to fuses vs breakers, I have wired quite a few airplanes
and have done it both ways depending on what the owner wanted. The auto typ
e blade fuse blocks=C2-work very well and result in a clean, light, and si
mple system. Never mine being able to reach them during flight. If you have
designed your electrical system correctly there should never be a need to re
place them while flying. For both of my own projects I chose to use a combo
of switched and pull type breakers cause that's what I wanted. The important
things to keep in mind are to use quality components, think through the mos
t likely failure modes, and don't forget you will need to service something
years from now. The first and last items are what frustrate folks most often
. Usually in the form of a poor quality component at the end of a wire that'
s too short and unreachable.
Danny Melnik
F1 #25
Melbourne (FL) Rocket Factory
Ex owner of N24ZM series 5 Safari :(
-----Original Message-----
From: Noel Loveys <noelloveys@yahoo.ca>
Sent: Thu, 24 May 2007 11:00 pm
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re: Straight Breakers vs. Breaker Switch?
I can heartily agree with Bob Nuckols reasons for liking fuses over breakers
...but removing blade fuses and even locating blown circuits while trying to
fly a plane can be interesting.=C2- Breakers give the control/visual cues
=C2-I prefer.
As for your comments on wire size, burning, Etc.=C2- Right on!=C2- The w
ire sizes should be chosen for de-rated current draw.=C2- This means that
there should be no splices into wires to power any one of numerous frivolous
devices.=C2- If you really need it add an extra protected circuit.=C2-
Make sure that all your wiring is protected... most certified aircraft will
actually have one side of the buss attached directly to it's buss so the who
le circuit is protected.
Having worked with both coloured wires and certified white wiring I now feel
much more comfortable with the white wiring.=C2- The wires themselves are
manufactured to more exacting tolerances.=C2- The insulations are less li
kely to burn and are much more rugged.=C2- There are many shielded cables
available in different sizes.=C2- Finally the wire charts in AC 43 will wo
rk with certified wire... I don't think I can say the same thing about autom
otive style wire in its myriad of Sesame Street colour.
=C2-
Noel Loveys, RPP, AME intern
Campbellton, Newfoundland,
Canada
Kitfox Mod III-A, 582, B box, Ivo IFA
Aerocet 1100s
noelloveys@yahoo.ca
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bob
> Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2007 2:50 PM
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Straight Breakers vs. Breaker Switch?
>
>
>
> +1 on the Bob Nuckols website and guidance, especially these
> days in airplanes with electronic ignition or fuel control.=C2-
> Unlike the days where the mags would keep the fan turning,
> circuit design has become truly important even for VFR
> airplanes.=C2- For example, the Diamond diesel twin was just
> AD'd after a couple of flight instructors took off with
> near-dead batteries and found that retracting the gear
> reduced the buss voltage enough to kill the controls for BOTH engines.
>
> Circuit protection, be it CB or fuse, is not a personal
> convenience.=C2- The protection is sized to protect the wire
> used, NOT for whatever is at the end of the wire.=C2- I've seen
> shorted wires light paper scraps and lint on fire.=C2-
> Non-aviation wire insulations can actually catch fire or melt
> off, posing their own hazard.=C2- The other thing that is often
> ignored is that the CB or fuse provides a last-ditch chance
> to kill a circuit manually.=C2- If the contacts in the switch
> for your electric trim just failed in the closed position,
> you would probably want to be able to pull the breaker ASAP.
>
> Bob
> A&P, Aero Eng
> Series 5 Vixen in-work
> Gaithersburg, MD
>
> --------
> Remember that internet advice may only be worth what you pay.
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=114196#114196
>
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bob
> Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2007 2:50 PM
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Straight Breakers vs. Breaker Switch?
>
>
>
> +1 on the Bob Nuckols website and guidance, especially these
> days in airplanes with electronic ignition or fuel control.=C2-
> Unlike the days where the mags would keep the fan turning,
> circuit design has become truly important even for VFR
> airplanes.=C2- For example, the Diamond diesel twin was just
> AD'd after a couple of flight instructors took off with
> near-dead batteries and found that retracting the gear
> reduced the buss voltage enough to kill the controls for BOTH engines.
>
> Circuit protection, be it CB or fuse, is not a personal
> convenience.=C2- The protection is sized to protect the wire
> used, NOT for whatever is at the end of the wire.=C2- I've seen
> shorted wires light paper scraps and lint on fire.=C2-
> Non-aviation wire insulations can actually catch fire or melt
> off, posing their own hazard.=C2- The other thing that is often
> ignored is that the CB or fuse provides a last-ditch chance
> to kill a circuit manually.=C2- If the contacts in the switch
> for your electric trim just failed in the closed position,
> you would probably want to be able to pull the breaker ASAP.
>
> Bob
> A&P, Aero Eng
> Series 5 Vixen in-work
> Gaithersburg, MD
>
> --------
> Remember that internet advice may only be worth what you pay.
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=114196#114196
>
>
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Noel Loveys, RPP, AME intern
Campbellton, Newfoundland,
Canada
Kitfox Mod III-A, 582, B box, Ivo IFA
Aerocet 1100s
noelloveys@yahoo.ca
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bob
> Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2007 2:50 PM
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Straight Breakers vs. Breaker Switch?
>
>
>
> +1 on the Bob Nuckols website and guidance, especially these
> days in airplanes with electronic ignition or fuel control.=C2-
> Unlike the days where the mags would keep the fan turning,
> circuit design has become truly important even for VFR
> airplanes.=C2- For example, the Diamond diesel twin was just
> AD'd after a couple of flight instructors took off with
> near-dead batteries and found that retracting the gear
> reduced the buss voltage enough to kill the controls for BOTH engines.
>
> Circuit protection, be it CB or fuse, is not a personal
> convenience.=C2- The protection is sized to protect the wire
> used, NOT for whatever is at the end of the wire.=C2- I've seen
> shorted wires light paper scraps and lint on fire.=C2-
> Non-aviation wire insulations can actually catch fire or melt
> off, posing their own hazard.=C2- The other thing that is often
> ignored is that the CB or fuse provides a last-ditch chance
> to kill a circuit manually.=C2- If the contacts in the switch
> for your electric trim just failed in the closed position,
> you would probably want to be able to pull the breaker ASAP.
>
> Bob
> A&P, Aero Eng
> Series 5 Vixen in-work
> Gaithersburg, MD
>
> --------
> Remember that internet advice may only be worth what you pay.
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=114196#114196
>
>
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