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1. 09:37 AM - N998DS (Don Smythe) (Don Smythe)
2. 09:43 AM - radio endorsement (Lynn Matteson)
3. 11:35 AM - 582 Engine Tick (Don Smythe)
4. 02:33 PM - Re: 582 Engine Tick (kurt schrader)
5. 02:40 PM - Weight & Balance Form (Charles Bloom)
6. 03:29 PM - Re: Best software for logging build progress? (wingnut)
7. 03:32 PM - Re: 582 Engine Tick (Tom Jones)
8. 04:56 PM - Re: Re: Best software for logging build progress? (kirk hull)
9. 05:02 PM - Re: Re: 582 Engine Tick (Lynn Matteson)
10. 06:15 PM - Re: 582 Engine Tick (Tom Jones)
11. 06:27 PM - Re: Weight & Balance Form (Tom Jones)
12. 06:27 PM - Re: Re: 582 Engine Tick (Don Smythe)
13. 06:45 PM - Re: 582 Engine Tick (Tom Jones)
14. 08:05 PM - Re: Re: 582 Engine Tick (Malcolmbru@aol.com)
15. 08:05 PM - Re: Re: 582 Engine Tick (dwight purdy)
16. 08:30 PM - Re: Re: 582 Engine Tick (Jim_and_Lucy Chuk)
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| Subject: | N998DS (Don Smythe) |
Well, I got up early this morning and drove two hours to pick up the new
buyer at his home airport. Drove back to PHF where he officially took
deliver. Once around the pattern and off he headed to the North. I sat
next to the runway for his departure and must say I had a moment of
sadness as he rolled the wings and headed off.
Don Smythe
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| Subject: | radio endorsement |
I just flew out to the local Class D airport (JXN) with my flight
instructor, did 6 landings, including some on-purpose x-winds, stop-
and-goes, options, full stop and park, right traffic
patterns...pretty much the works, and I've now got my long-awaited
radio endorsement for B, C, and D.
I'm out of here tomorrow morning for the trip to Hondo,TX, and then
on to Lowell's 9th Cameron Park Kitfox fly-in and BBQ on June 9. See
some of you there.
Lynn Matteson
Grass Lake, Michigan
Kitfox IV Speedster w/Jabiru 2200
flying w/293+ hrs
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Oh well, I had a feeling something would come back on me. Last week,
when the new buyer and I were test flying the engine gave out a few Tick
sounds like a fouled plug. I changed the plugs before delivery today
and he made a successful 100 mile flight with no problems. When he
descended from 4500' at his location the Tick's started to come back.
Assuming this is another fouled plug, what could be causing this on such
a short time? I've never experienced this situation except for one
other time when it was for sure a fouled plug. Any ideas?
Don Smythe
Classic IV w/582 (sold)
Newport News, Va.
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| Subject: | Re: 582 Engine Tick |
Don,
You are supposed to have today off! Congrats on .....
no, I can't say it. Still sorry your plane is gone.
Selfish, I know.
Normally a rich running or oil burning engine fouls
the plugs, but on 2 cycles, other ignition problems
are more common than on 4 cycle engines. I think that
since you have oil in the gas, the 2 cycle engine are
designed to be better able to handle some fouling and
that leaves the other ignition problems a bit more
likely, by percentage, than on a 4 cycle. At least
that has been my experience.
Plug gap? Plug color? All OK?
So have him check the timing and spark plug wires too.
Make sure a good connection is there and no arcing
from a wire to some ground. If he has a timing light,
check each plug wire when it is running to see where
the miss is. A little harder to check for weak
ingition, but that may do it too.
The usual suspects I am afraid. But you and I may be
the only ones here, so thought I would at least say
"Hello"
Kurt S.
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S-5/NSI turbo
--- Don Smythe <dosmythe@cox.net> wrote:
> Oh well, I had a feeling something would come back
> on me. Last week, when the new buyer and I were
> test flying the engine gave out a few Tick sounds
> like a fouled plug. I changed the plugs before
> delivery today and he made a successful 100 mile
> flight with no problems. When he descended from
> 4500' at his location the Tick's started to come
> back. Assuming this is another fouled plug, what
> could be causing this on such a short time? I've
> never experienced this situation except for one
> other time when it was for sure a fouled plug. Any
> ideas?
>
> Don Smythe
> Classic IV w/582 (sold)
> Newport News, Va.
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| Subject: | Weight & Balance Form |
When I got my Kitfox I had the weight and balance information but they were on
a sheet of yellow tablet paper. I was wondering if someone could send me an example
of what the sheet on weight and balance that is carried in the airplane
should look like. I would sure appreciate it.
Chuck
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Charles Bloom
Kitfox, Model One
Missoula, MT
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| Subject: | Re: Best software for logging build progress? |
Hey guys. I write software for a living. I might be interested in taking a stab
at writing something if I could get good details on what people would want such
a program to actually do for them.
Luis Rodriguez
824KF
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| Subject: | Re: 582 Engine Tick |
Don, my engine is a 503 Rotax but has the same carbs as yours. When I reduce throttle
to the mid range the needle controls the mixture. I have the arctic sparrow
adjustable needles and richen a turn or two to keep the EGT's down when
I descend with the throttle in the mid range. When it starts to get a little
too rich the engine "ticks" (four strokes).
It took me a while to figure out what was causing this sound. It could be a rich
mid range (needle adjustment) in his carbs???
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Tom Jones
Classic IV, Phase one
503, Warp
Ellensburg, WA
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| Subject: | Re: Best software for logging build progress? |
I would start with a simple d base that holds the text logs of what was done
then dates it and stores it with the pictures of what was done. Then add
more features from there
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From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of wingnut
Sent: Sunday, May 27, 2007 5:27 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Best software for logging build progress?
Hey guys. I write software for a living. I might be interested in taking a
stab at writing something if I could get good details on what people would
want such a program to actually do for them.
Luis Rodriguez
824KF
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| Subject: | Re: 582 Engine Tick |
Could this ticking sound be the sound of the exhaust pipes cooling
off due to the rich mixture?
Lynn Matteson
Grass Lake, Michigan
Kitfox IV Speedster w/Jabiru 2200
flying w/293+ hrs
On May 27, 2007, at 6:31 PM, Tom Jones wrote:
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> Don, my engine is a 503 Rotax but has the same carbs as yours.
> When I reduce throttle to the mid range the needle controls the
> mixture. I have the arctic sparrow adjustable needles and richen a
> turn or two to keep the EGT's down when I descend with the throttle
> in the mid range. When it starts to get a little too rich the
> engine "ticks" (four strokes).
>
> It took me a while to figure out what was causing this sound. It
> could be a rich mid range (needle adjustment) in his carbs???
>
> --------
> Tom Jones
> Classic IV, Phase one
> 503, Warp
> Ellensburg, WA
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: 582 Engine Tick |
> Could this ticking sound be the sound of the exhaust pipes cooling
> off due to the rich mixture?
The "Ticking" I was referring to is the very eary stages of a 2 cycle engine beginning
to 4 cycle because it is too rich...I think. It is not missing every
other stroke yet but once every second or two, or three I confirmed by leaning
the needles one turn and the "Ticking" stopped. This was during my first two
flights so any unususal sounds caught my immediate attention.
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Tom Jones
Classic IV, Phase one
503, Warp
Ellensburg, WA
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| Subject: | Re: Weight & Balance Form |
Charles, if someone with a model I weight and balance form doesn't reply, let me
know and I will get you the information I have for my Classic 4.
The form I use has "Adverse foreward" and Adverse aft" sections. My kitfox has
a pannel tank. The CG of the panel tank is foreward of the datum. There is
a computer program around to compute and print the form but it has a flaw.
It is designed to move the CG foreward as fuel is burned. This works with Kitfox
wing tanks but not with a panel tank. As fuel in the panel tank is burned
the CG moves aft. I have a 'Brute force" method to deal with this but it becomes
very confusing to try and explain. If you can get an actual clean copy of
a Model I form the confusion factor will be much less.
Or...did I hear someone just mention they are a computer programer?
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Tom Jones
Classic IV, Phase one
503, Warp
Ellensburg, WA
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| Subject: | Re: 582 Engine Tick |
Tom,
I will work toward this direction of thought. I'll also rephrase the
"Ticking". The tick is in conjunctions with an engine miss. It was very
intermittent and not present on the ground at idle or taxi. Rather than a
tick it was a slight bump like an engine miss. A bit hard to explain.
Today it occurred during his long decent from over 4000' I assume he was
throttled back but the mixture was probably on the rich side.
Don Smythe
Newport News, Va.
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Tom Jones" <nahsikhs@elltel.net>
Sent: Sunday, May 27, 2007 9:15 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: 582 Engine Tick
>
>
>> Could this ticking sound be the sound of the exhaust pipes cooling
>> off due to the rich mixture?
>
>
> The "Ticking" I was referring to is the very eary stages of a 2 cycle
> engine beginning to 4 cycle because it is too rich...I think. It is not
> missing every other stroke yet but once every second or two, or three I
> confirmed by leaning the needles one turn and the "Ticking" stopped. This
> was during my first two flights so any unususal sounds caught my immediate
> attention.
>
> --------
> Tom Jones
> Classic IV, Phase one
> 503, Warp
> Ellensburg, WA
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
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> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=115112#115112
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| Subject: | Re: 582 Engine Tick |
> it was a slight bump like an engine miss.
This describes the sound I referr to exactly.
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Tom Jones
Classic IV, Phase one
503, Warp
Ellensburg, WA
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| Subject: | Re: 582 Engine Tick |
I called Jerry at Green sky about something very similar and he described it
to me this way. Don't worry about it. between the way the muffler is
chopped ,the motor mounts , jetting, it just sets up a vibration at a certain
RPM that makes it feel that way. sometimes I think I feel like the rutter
is being hit buy something . I just don't fly it in that configuration.the
cdi ignition ether works or it don't. ether way you need to cut the cord with
this guy man. it is his plane now let him join the list and make the
call's. mal
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| Subject: | Re: 582 Engine Tick |
Don
I try to never pull the power clear back till short short final. This way
I can keep the egt above 1000 to 1100 till then. Is this new owner
experienced with two stroke flying? Were you burning 100LL?
Dwight Purdy
503 model ll
Marion IN
At 09:27 PM 5/27/2007 -0400, you wrote:
>
>Tom,
> I will work toward this direction of thought. I'll also rephrase the
> "Ticking". The tick is in conjunctions with an engine miss. It was very
> intermittent and not present on the ground at idle or taxi. Rather than
> a tick it was a slight bump like an engine miss. A bit hard to explain.
> Today it occurred during his long decent from over 4000' I assume he was
> throttled back but the mixture was probably on the rich side.
>
>Don Smythe
>Newport News, Va.
>
>Do Not Archive
>----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Jones" <nahsikhs@elltel.net>
>To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
>Sent: Sunday, May 27, 2007 9:15 PM
>Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: 582 Engine Tick
>
>
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>>>Could this ticking sound be the sound of the exhaust pipes cooling
>>>off due to the rich mixture?
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>>The "Ticking" I was referring to is the very eary stages of a 2 cycle
>>engine beginning to 4 cycle because it is too rich...I think. It is not
>>missing every other stroke yet but once every second or two, or three I
>>confirmed by leaning the needles one turn and the "Ticking"
>>stopped. This was during my first two flights so any unususal sounds
>>caught my immediate attention.
>>
>>--------
>>Tom Jones
>>Classic IV, Phase one
>>503, Warp
>>Ellensburg, WA
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>>Read this topic online here:
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>>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=115112#115112
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| Subject: | Re: 582 Engine Tick |
What were the EGT temps when it was makeing the tick? My guess is that they
were on the low side. It sounds to me like the midrange is to rich. I'm
not an expert but I have been flying these two strokes for about 7 years in
various different UL/airplanes and have heard the same noise (miss) when I
got to rich. Just my two cents worth. Thanks
Jim Chuk
Avid MK IV, Avid B
both 582
>From: "Don Smythe" <dosmythe@cox.net>
>To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: 582 Engine Tick
>Date: Sun, 27 May 2007 21:27:18 -0400
>
>
>Tom,
> I will work toward this direction of thought. I'll also rephrase the
>"Ticking". The tick is in conjunctions with an engine miss. It was very
>intermittent and not present on the ground at idle or taxi. Rather than a
>tick it was a slight bump like an engine miss. A bit hard to explain.
>Today it occurred during his long decent from over 4000' I assume he was
>throttled back but the mixture was probably on the rich side.
>
>Don Smythe
>Newport News, Va.
>
>Do Not Archive
>----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Jones" <nahsikhs@elltel.net>
>To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
>Sent: Sunday, May 27, 2007 9:15 PM
>Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: 582 Engine Tick
>
>
>>
>>
>>>Could this ticking sound be the sound of the exhaust pipes cooling
>>>off due to the rich mixture?
>>
>>
>>The "Ticking" I was referring to is the very eary stages of a 2 cycle
>>engine beginning to 4 cycle because it is too rich...I think. It is not
>>missing every other stroke yet but once every second or two, or three I
>>confirmed by leaning the needles one turn and the "Ticking" stopped. This
>>was during my first two flights so any unususal sounds caught my immediate
>>attention.
>>
>>--------
>>Tom Jones
>>Classic IV, Phase one
>>503, Warp
>>Ellensburg, WA
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>>Read this topic online here:
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>>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=115112#115112
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