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1. 04:16 AM - Kit Fox N554KF (Steve Shinabery)
2. 05:18 AM - Re: Kit Fox N554KF (Dee Young)
3. 06:05 AM - Re: 582 Engine Tick (RRTRACK@aol.com)
4. 06:19 AM - Re: Kit Fox N554KF (pilotpat)
5. 06:41 AM - Pitot lines ()
6. 06:43 AM - KitFox Annual checklist??? (Don G)
7. 07:08 AM - Re: KitFox Annual checklist??? (akflyer)
8. 07:12 AM - Subject: Re: 582 Engine Tick (Joe & Jan Connell)
9. 07:20 AM - Re: Pitot lines (kurt schrader)
10. 12:57 PM - Re: 912UL starting problems. (Paul)
11. 01:09 PM - Re: 912UL starting problems. (kitfoxmike)
12. 01:20 PM - Re: KitFox Annual checklist??? (eccles)
13. 02:31 PM - Tailwheel spring ()
14. 02:31 PM - Pitot line ()
15. 02:37 PM - Re: Re: Kit Fox N554KF (Steve Shinabery)
16. 03:27 PM - Re: Pitot line (kurt schrader)
17. 03:50 PM - Re: Re: 582 Engine Tick (Randy Daughenbaugh)
18. 04:36 PM - Re: Tailwheel spring (Lowell Fitt)
19. 06:09 PM - Re: Re: 582 Engine Tick (Don Smythe)
20. 06:18 PM - Re: 912UL starting problems. (Jay Fabian)
21. 06:39 PM - Lynn Matteson's Trip (fox5flyer)
22. 07:59 PM - Re: Pitot lines (A Smith)
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hello to every one I am new to this web .I have just become a new owner
of a KitFox 2 a 1992,with 160TT .I bought it off of barnstomers.out of
Marion Ind.,I have been interested in Kit Foxs since the early 1980s.I
have had cessna 15Os,+172s.I have a 1969 C150,and now my KitFox 2.,to my
fleet.this plane has been my dream plane.and now I have my own.I have
only 1hr in a L2,of tail wheel.so I need a lot of help.the kitfox I
bought N554KF is very nice.it has the 582.it is loaded.well eq.,custom
paint.I can not wait to start flying it..I have wanted one for years.and
this one came up.so wish me luck..Steve
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| Subject: | Re: Kit Fox N554KF |
Way to go Steve, hope you enjoy flying it. The list will be a very good
source of information for you should you need it.
Dee Young
Model II
N345DY
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----- Original Message -----
From: Steve Shinabery<mailto:shinco@bright.net>
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com<mailto:kitfox-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Monday, May 28, 2007 5:16 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Kit Fox N554KF
<shinco@bright.net<mailto:shinco@bright.net>>
hello to every one I am new to this web .I have just become a new
owner
of a KitFox 2 a 1992,with 160TT .I bought it off of barnstomers.out
of
Marion Ind.,I have been interested in Kit Foxs since the early 1980s.I
have had cessna 15Os,+172s.I have a 1969 C150,and now my KitFox 2.,to
my
fleet.this plane has been my dream plane.and now I have my own.I have
only 1hr in a L2,of tail wheel.so I need a lot of help.the kitfox I
bought N554KF is very nice.it has the 582.it is loaded.well eq.,custom
paint.I can not wait to start flying it..I have wanted one for
years.and
this one came up.so wish me luck..Steve
http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List<http://www.matronics.com/N
avigator?Kitfox-List>
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| Subject: | Re: 582 Engine Tick |
The spark plug caps can go bad. And there has been warnings about using
resistor caps with resistor plugs.
Mark
Hartford, Wisconsin
Kitfox 5 Vixen 912 UL
(hundreds of hours behind a 582)
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| Subject: | Re: Kit Fox N554KF |
Good LUck on your new purchase. These guys here are a wealth of info and have
helped me with everything I've asked. as I am new at the kitfox also just since
Oct but just got flying it as April 10 was its grand new 1st flight
--------
Pilotpat
Kitfox Classic IV
Jabiru 2200
Williamsport , PA
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I have just finished making nad installing a custom mount for a pitot/static tube
(Spruce) for my mode 4 thanks to Lynn Matteson for his help and info. Know
the problem,the original tube has you drill a 17/64 hole in the spar at a 90
degree piont to install the line that goes to the cockpit.My pitot/static tube
needs two lines.A construction manual I have says there is no tress on holes
at a 90 degree piont to the vertical,so can I elongate the and run both lines
thru, or should I drill two separate holes X distance apart.----Leon Morris/Classic
4(1994)/50%/Flower Mound, TX
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| Subject: | KitFox Annual checklist??? |
Well Gents, I made the trade. I am now the owner of N84KF, a Speedster!
Got it home last nite with no damage. I thank all who advised me on the long haul
trailering advice. Also...the trading advice! (thanks Ma!)
Looks like I am going to need to change my pic and sig for this forum!!!
Anyway, it annual expired last month, so I am looking for an annual checklist.
I have seen mention of such a doc in my surfing the net, but I cannot seem to
find the actual document. Can anyone tell me where or help me in this quest?
--------
Don G.
Central Illinois
FireFly#098
Luscombe 8A
http://www.geocities.com/dagger369th/my_firefly.htm
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| Subject: | Re: KitFox Annual checklist??? |
here are two that I pulled from the list awhile back.
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Leonard Perry
Soldotna AK
Avid "C" / Mk IV
582 IVO IFA
Full Lotus 1260
95% complete
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http://forums.matronics.com//files/annual1_183.doc
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| Subject: | Re: 582 Engine Tick |
I've experienced the same missing when flying on a hot day.
I have a choke lever in the cockpit. When it was missing, I
added a little choke and the missing got worse. The engine
was running a bit too rich. The missing is not present when
I fly on cool mornings.
I could lower both carb needles a notch but decided to leave
things as they were...
Joe Connell
Kitfox #399 N65JK
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Hi Leon,
I didn't even drill the one hole. I ran the line over
to the back side of the spar and made a seperate entry
into the cockpit behind the spar. Watch how you bend
the line though for wing folding. And you need the
line to go over the spar near a rib or it will have
fabric stuck to it when you cover the wing. The
fabric dips between ribs a good bit and almost lays on
the spar.
If you go with the spar hole, yes, the least stress is
at the 90 degree point, so that is where they made the
hole. It should be a very smooth hole too, or you add
stress risers, places where it likes to crack, just
like doing a windscreen.
If you make 2 holes too close together, it is possible
for a crack to form between them. A single hole along
the length, but no greater along the diameter of the
spar, is better. If you go with 2 holes, make them
more than tripple the spar diameter apart. I would
tripple the diameter because stress tends to run at a
45 degree angle. That is 1.414 times the diameter. 2
holes x 1.414 = 2.828 diameters. I rounded to 3 or
greater for safety.
To me, this is a place where the pitot and static
lines can chafe thru over time. You don't need any
additional reasons to recover a wing between the
lifetime of the fabric. And then there are those
rivet heads inside the spar to rub on too.
Did anyone else use any antichafe system on these
lines?
Kurt S.
S-5/NSI turbo
Florida and Panama
--- l.morris@tx.rr.com wrote:
> I have just finished making nad installing a custom
> mount for a pitot/static tube (Spruce) for my mode 4
> thanks to Lynn Matteson for his help and info. Know
> the problem,the original tube has you drill a 17/64
> hole in the spar at a 90 degree piont to install the
> line that goes to the cockpit.My pitot/static tube
> needs two lines.A construction manual I have says
> there is no tress on holes at a 90 degree piont to
> the vertical,so can I elongate the and run both
> lines thru, or should I drill two separate holes X
> distance apart.----Leon Morris/Classic
> 4(1994)/50%/Flower Mound, TX
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| Subject: | Re: 912UL starting problems. |
Need some help with a 912UL 300TT not starting after being off for a year.
Have fuel at the carbs cleaned and new diaphragms installed. I can put my
hand over the carb inlets and turn it over and get lots of fuel. Getting
very weak spark and has only fired once or twice in hours of testing. Eng
turning over well (have jumped it ) I am looking if anyone knows what the
voltage outputs from the CDI boxes to the ignition coils should be? I have 8
volts wile cranking at the red generator ignition circuit cables circuit to
ground ( both the same ) I get about 12 to 13 volts to the coils is this
correct or too low? I have the old style interference box but new style
plugs. ( I replace them for something )
Paul Peerenboom
Kitfox IV 912UL 300TT
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| Subject: | Re: 912UL starting problems. |
plugs may be fouled, clean or replace and try again.
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kitfoxmike
model IV, 1200
speedster
912ul
building
RV7a
slowbuild wings, fuse
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| Subject: | KitFox Annual checklist??? |
I have a check list that someone else came up with , seems to work on my
model V , pretty generic though. If you want a copy let me know.
Steve
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Don G
Sent: Monday, May 28, 2007 8:44 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: KitFox Annual checklist???
Well Gents, I made the trade. I am now the owner of N84KF, a Speedster!
Got it home last nite with no damage. I thank all who advised me on the long
haul trailering advice. Also...the trading advice! (thanks Ma!)
Looks like I am going to need to change my pic and sig for this forum!!!
Anyway, it annual expired last month, so I am looking for an annual
checklist. I have seen mention of such a doc in my surfing the net, but I
cannot seem to find the actual document. Can anyone tell me where or help me
in this quest?
--------
Don G.
Central Illinois
FireFly#098
Luscombe 8A
http://www.geocities.com/dagger369th/my_firefly.htm
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| Subject: | Tailwheel spring |
I have heard some disscusion about how bad the two piece tailwheel spring is and
guys switching to a three piece one.Are the problems really that bad,and what
is the cost of the three piece spring? Leon Morris/Classic 4(94)/50%/Flower
Mound,TX
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Hey Kurt,when you ran your line back and over the rear spar near the rib, did you
drill a hole in the #1 rib to run the line thru before going into the cabin?Not
drilling holes in the spar tube sounds good to me. Thanks---Leon Morris/Classic4(1994)/50%/Flower
Mound,TX
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| Subject: | Re: Kit Fox N554KF |
thanks to all of you,for wecome me to the group..I know that you all
will help me get through being a new owner.I have been here for a while
reading alot of your messages.through 5months.and it was even a easyer
choice to buy a Kit Fox.any way I better fly for now..and thanks Steve
Shinabery
pilotpat wrote:
>
> Good LUck on your new purchase. These guys here are a wealth of info and have
helped me with everything I've asked. as I am new at the kitfox also just since
Oct but just got flying it as April 10 was its grand new 1st flight
>
> --------
> Pilotpat
> Kitfox Classic IV
> Jabiru 2200
> Williamsport , PA
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=115181#115181
>
>
>
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Hi Leon,
Yes, I recommend tying the tubes to the spar with
stitching line. I used nylon ties, but understand
that they deteriorate faster than the stitching line.
Tie the tubes well well so they don't wiggle loose
over the years and start flopping in your wing.
Then I drilled a hole in the web of #1 rib close
behind the spar, but out of the epoxy. You need to
look closely at the wing when folded to pick a good
spot for it to line up with your entry point to the
fuselage. Then you also need to add a small plywood
support to the inside of that last rib flush with the
cap strip edges, or the fabric covering the rib will
be pulled and torn by the line as you fold and spread.
You need to leave some slack not tied off so that the
line can move in and out of the wing a few inches as
you fold and spread, since the tube is not on the
hinge line.
I wonder now if you could mount the pitot/static tubes
out near the tip and run the tubes in thru the end of
the spar instead of drilling? It would still be a
good idea to run them thru a protective thin walled
tubing along with your wires to your lights so noting
wears on the spar rivets, etc.
Just an alternate idea....
Kurt S.
S-5/NSI turbo
--- l.morris@tx.rr.com wrote:
> Hey Kurt,when you ran your line back and over the
> rear spar near the rib, did you drill a hole in the
> #1 rib to run the line thru before going into the
> cabin?Not drilling holes in the spar tube sounds
> good to me. Thanks---Leon
> Morris/Classic4(1994)/50%/Flower Mound,TX
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| Subject: | Re: 582 Engine Tick |
Tom said;
"It took me a while to figure out what was causing this sound. It could be
a rich mid range (needle adjustment) in his carbs???"
I don't understand the sound, but what altitude is your plane at now Don?
Is that why it is rich?
Randy
.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tom Jones
Sent: Sunday, May 27, 2007 4:31 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: 582 Engine Tick
Don, my engine is a 503 Rotax but has the same carbs as yours. When I
reduce throttle to the mid range the needle controls the mixture. I have
the arctic sparrow adjustable needles and richen a turn or two to keep the
EGT's down when I descend with the throttle in the mid range. When it
starts to get a little too rich the engine "ticks" (four strokes).
It took me a while to figure out what was causing this sound. It could be a
rich mid range (needle adjustment) in his carbs???
--------
Tom Jones
Classic IV, Phase one
503, Warp
Ellensburg, WA
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| Subject: | Re: Tailwheel spring |
Leon,
My 1993 Model IV kit came with the single leaf spring. As you, concerned
with all the talk about tail wheel springs, I switched to the two leaf
spring. I don't recall when, but suppose it was while building as it is
painted white and nicely trimmed. I just came back from a trip to the Brian
Ranch ultralight fly-in near Apple Valley, CA, landing on lots of dirt and
have had lots of off pavement landings in my 870 hours. My worst landing
this trip was at Cameron Park, my home airport in calm wind. To my friends
that were following me, I blamed it on the lack of cross winds which we
found all over the Southern California desert. Actually, I thought I felt a
tug on the rudder a couple of times like a stiff pivot so put it on a block
to grease the tailwheel pivot and the leaf springs looked just like the day
I put them on - the bottom (main) spring opened a gap between it and the
second spring - showing no distortion of either spring element. Because of
all the talk, I examine them pretty carefully from time to time checking
for what might appear as hairline cracking - nothing.
This is one case. I know there have been broken springs, but the two leaf
set-up is not necessarily a problem. That said, I suppose since the springs
are heat treated after forming, likely in a local shop with who knows what
type of quality control, it is possible that there are some variables from
spring to spring.
Lowell Fitt
Cameron Park, CA
Model IV-1200 R-912 UL Warp
1998 870 hrs.
----- Original Message -----
From: <l.morris@tx.rr.com>
Sent: Monday, May 28, 2007 2:30 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Tailwheel spring
>
> I have heard some disscusion about how bad the two piece tailwheel spring
> is and guys switching to a three piece one.Are the problems really that
> bad,and what is the cost of the three piece spring? Leon Morris/Classic
> 4(94)/50%/Flower Mound,TX
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: 582 Engine Tick |
This isn't necessarily a sound. It isn't necessarily a feeling. Have you
ever gone down the highway in you car and have the engine miss? It's all a
bit of a sound, jerk, feeling, noise????. In other words, how on earth do
you describe an engine miss????
The altitude is at the same altitude it was when it left my home field
+/- 100'
Don Smythe
Classic IV w/582 (sold)
Newport News, Va.
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Randy Daughenbaugh" <rjdaugh@rapidnet.com>
Sent: Monday, May 28, 2007 6:49 PM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re: 582 Engine Tick
> <rjdaugh@rapidnet.com>
>
> Tom said;
> "It took me a while to figure out what was causing this sound. It could
> be
> a rich mid range (needle adjustment) in his carbs???"
>
> I don't understand the sound, but what altitude is your plane at now Don?
> Is that why it is rich?
>
> Randy
>
> .
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tom Jones
> Sent: Sunday, May 27, 2007 4:31 PM
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: 582 Engine Tick
>
>
> Don, my engine is a 503 Rotax but has the same carbs as yours. When I
> reduce throttle to the mid range the needle controls the mixture. I have
> the arctic sparrow adjustable needles and richen a turn or two to keep the
> EGT's down when I descend with the throttle in the mid range. When it
> starts to get a little too rich the engine "ticks" (four strokes).
>
> It took me a while to figure out what was causing this sound. It could be
> a
> rich mid range (needle adjustment) in his carbs???
>
> --------
> Tom Jones
> Classic IV, Phase one
> 503, Warp
> Ellensburg, WA
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=115096#115096
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: 912UL starting problems. |
I thought I had read something some where about NOT testing spark on your
plugs by pulling the plug and testing it by laying it on the side of the
frame.( like on a mower or dirt bike). I think that fries the Ign box?
Just a thought, to be careful.
Jay
----- Original Message -----
From: "Paul" <ppeerenbo@charter.net>
Sent: Monday, May 28, 2007 3:56 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: 912UL starting problems.
>
> Need some help with a 912UL 300TT not starting after being off for a year.
> Have fuel at the carbs cleaned and new diaphragms installed. I can put my
> hand over the carb inlets and turn it over and get lots of fuel. Getting
> very weak spark and has only fired once or twice in hours of testing. Eng
> turning over well (have jumped it ) I am looking if anyone knows what the
> voltage outputs from the CDI boxes to the ignition coils should be? I have
> 8 volts wile cranking at the red generator ignition circuit cables circuit
> to ground ( both the same ) I get about 12 to 13 volts to the coils is
> this correct or too low? I have the old style interference box but new
> style plugs. ( I replace them for something )
>
> Paul Peerenboom
> Kitfox IV 912UL 300TT
>
>
> --
> 269.8.0/819 - Release Date: 5/26/2007 10:47 AM
>
>
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| Subject: | Lynn Matteson's Trip |
I just spoke via cell phone to Lynn Matteson who completed his first leg
his trip from Grass Lake Michigan to Sacramento CA area. After a 5.75
flying hours he completed about 523 miles landing at Gilbertsville KY
(M34) and is tent camping at Kentucky Dam St Park. He got 22.61mpg and
4.12gph with his Jabaru 2200 Model IV. If all goes well tomorrow, next
stop is Texarkana. I'll try to keep up daily reports on his progress
when I can.
Deke Morisse
N148DM
S5/Soob/CAP
NE Michigan
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I did not drill any holes in the spar. Ran the tubes down the rear of the
wing. Drilling spars just doesnt sound right.
Albert
5TD, NSI turbo, cap140
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