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1. 02:40 AM - Re: Lynn Matteson's Trip from MI to CA -- day 3 (David Dawe)
2. 03:47 AM - Re: Lynn Matteson's Trip from MI to CA -- day 3 (fox5flyer)
3. 07:20 AM - Re: Stoped / windmilling propeller drag (akflyer)
4. 07:22 AM - going south (john oakley)
5. 07:41 AM - Re: going south (kerrjohna@comcast.net)
6. 07:48 AM - Re: Re: Stoped / windmilling propeller drag (Marco Menezes)
7. 08:05 AM - Re: going south (Randy Daughenbaugh)
8. 08:10 AM - Re: going south (Guy Buchanan)
9. 08:10 AM - Apology (Guy Buchanan)
10. 08:28 AM - Re: Apology (john oakley)
11. 08:30 AM - Re: going south (john oakley)
12. 09:21 AM - Re: going south (wingnut)
13. 09:44 AM - Re: going south (kitfoxmike)
14. 10:10 AM - Ellsion TBI (fox5flyer)
15. 10:20 AM - Re: Re: Stoped / windmilling propeller drag (kerrjohna@comcast.net)
16. 10:58 AM - Re: Ellsion TBI (Rick)
17. 11:40 AM - Re: Apology (n85ae)
18. 12:03 PM - Re: going south (darinh)
19. 01:15 PM - Re: Lynn Matteson's Trip from MI to CA -- day 3 (Jimmie Blackwell)
20. 01:41 PM - Re: Re: Stoped / windmilling propeller drag (Clint Bazzill)
21. 02:17 PM - Re: going south (kitfoxmike)
22. 02:36 PM - HELP!!! Ellsion TBI, Gas starvation (debrun26@juno.com)
23. 02:53 PM - Re: HELP!!! Ellsion TBI, Gas starvation (Michael Logan)
24. 02:56 PM - Re: Ellsion TBI (Michael Logan)
25. 03:00 PM - Re: Re: going south (john oakley)
26. 03:03 PM - Re: Re: going south (john oakley)
27. 03:22 PM - Re: going south (Lowell Fitt)
28. 03:38 PM - Re: going south (john oakley)
29. 03:47 PM - Re: HELP!!! Ellsion TBI, Gas starvation (Dacha)
30. 04:01 PM - Re: Ellsion TBI (fox5flyer)
31. 04:13 PM - Re: Re: Stoped / windmilling propeller drag (Marco Menezes)
32. 04:21 PM - Re: going south (kitfoxmike)
33. 06:12 PM - drain holes (Gerald Jantzi)
34. 07:14 PM - Re: Best software for logging build progress? (kentk)
35. 07:31 PM - Re: drain holes (kurt schrader)
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38. 09:30 PM - Re: Apology (Guy Buchanan)
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| Subject: | Lynn Matteson's Trip from MI to CA -- day 3 |
Trying to track on Google map, Bald Knob does show?
From: fox5flyer@idealwifi.netTo: kitfox-list@matronics.comSubject: Kitfox-L
ist: Lynn Matteson's Trip from MI to CA -- day 3Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 21:4
3:27 -0500
I just got off the phone with Lynn Matteson. Because of the really stormy
weather in the central part of the country he didn't make much progress tod
ay, but he did make progress. With fog and haze he wasn't able to get out
of Bald Knob AR until about 1130 this morning. The trip was mostly in and
out of weather cells with lots of rain, but most of them he was able to fly
around. However, things began to get worse and after about 200 mile of th
is he saw what appeared to be a solid wall, clear to the ground, with no wa
y around. So, Ruston LA was just ahead and with an uneventful landing he d
ecided to wait out the storm. Good decision. He filled up and was offered
some hangar space by the locals who said things were going to get real nas
ty pretty soon and they didn't want to see his airplane sitting out in that
stuff. And nasty it got! Anyway, with his airplane tucked away safely, h
e took the courtesy car into town, got something to eat, and the lecher is
currently holed up in a motel looking out the window ogling a bunch of chee
rleaders practicing their moves outside.
He plans to get out as early as possible in the morning and try to make Tay
lor TX (where he'll be visiting Jimmie Blackwell) before noon to beat the a
fternoon storms.
Total today was only 215 miles, but at least he made progress.
Deke MorisseN148DMS5/Soob/CAPNE Michigan
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| Subject: | Re: Lynn Matteson's Trip from MI to CA -- day 3 |
I don't know about Google, but here's a map of it.
Deke Morisse
N148DM
S5/Soob/CAP
NE Michigan
http://www.city-data.com/city/Bald-Knob-Arkansas.html
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From: David Dawe
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2007 4:09 AM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Lynn Matteson's Trip from MI to CA -- day 3
Trying to track on Google map, Bald Knob does show?
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From: fox5flyer@idealwifi.net
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Subject: Kitfox-List: Lynn Matteson's Trip from MI to CA -- day 3
Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 21:43:27 -0500
I just got off the phone with Lynn Matteson. Because of the really
stormy weather in the central part of the country he didn't make much
progress today, but he did make progress. With fog and haze he wasn't
able to get out of Bald Knob AR until about 1130 this morning. The trip
was mostly in and out of weather cells with lots of rain, but most of
them he was able to fly around. However, things began to get worse and
after about 200 mile of this he saw what appeared to be a solid wall,
clear to the ground, with no way around. So, Ruston LA was just ahead
and with an uneventful landing he decided to wait out the storm. Good
decision. He filled up and was offered some hangar space by the locals
who said things were going to get real nasty pretty soon and they didn't
want to see his airplane sitting out in that stuff. And nasty it got!
Anyway, with his airplane tucked away safely, he took the courtesy car
into town, got something to eat, and the lecher is currently holed up in
a motel looking out the window ogling a bunch of cheerleaders practicing
their moves outside.
He plans to get out as early as possible in the morning and try to
make Taylor TX (where he'll be visiting Jimmie Blackwell) before noon to
beat the afternoon storms.
Total today was only 215 miles, but at least he made progress.
Deke Morisse
N148DM
S5/Soob/CAP
NE Michigan
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| Subject: | Re: Stoped / windmilling propeller drag |
I have not flown the Avid yet as I am still one wing short... But, I have flown
my Brothers KF II with the clutch set up. You dont have to kill the engine to
get it to free wheel just pull the power back to an idle. With the power at
idle and the prop free wheeling, at 55-60 I am dropping around 1000' min. I
would hope this would go up if the prop stopped turning.
I have tested it on a cub with the prop windmilling and with the prop stopped.
When starting from 6000' and crossing cook inlet, it was a matter of making
the far shore and having to slip to hit the beach with the prop stopped, and having
to re-start or swim about a mile to mile and a half in real cold water to
get to the beach if I let it wind mill.. Until I had tried it I would never
have figured it would make that much difference.
I put the clutch on my avid as most of the time I will be dealing with cold weather
(rough starts and warm up) and float flying (nice to warm up without moving).
I hope to have mine in the air by the end of the month and will do some testing
with fine and coarse pitch and see how much of a difference that makes.
--------
Leonard Perry
Soldotna AK
Avid "C" / Mk IV
582 IVO IFA
Full Lotus 1260
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Hi guys,
I took a run to phoenix over the holiday with my fox, going from the salt
lake area to Phoenix. As with many of us now, it started out with a half a
dozen-frequency changes before we left the salt lake area. The crossing at
the grand canyon was at the bar ten ranch, this seems to be the safest
crossing as at 11500 we could glide to a good landing at any time. The view
was smoggy but as usual spectacular. We had stopped at Parowan, just north
of cedar city and got fuel and oxygen. This seems to be a great place to
stop, good people and cheep fuel. Dropping off the northern rim we landed at
Wickenburg for a potty break, wow, locked gates no bushes higher than my
ankle. This will not be a future stop for me. Good year was a friendly spot
to land and leave the plane.
Tues morning we headed back, landing a gravel strip at Grand Canyon caverns.
I could have spent tome there it was a pretty spot and a short walk from the
canyon rim. The motel there could have been where the movie with "the bates"
motel was filmed, very quiet. I did not walk over there though, so it could
have been a nice place and it was close. Back in the air to my usual
crossing, (I love GPS) a very smooth ride over the top at 11200 and no hands
as we were taking pictures, landing again at Parowan for fuel and oxygen,
density alt. Was 14000. The flight to SLC was uneventful and relatively
smooth, although the ride back through SLC airspace was rough for my little
bird. Altitude was hard to hold and it was busy non stop talk. The landing
at Ogden was my best of the run and we were ready for dinner.
John Oakley
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John, thanks for the summary of your trip to Phoenix. I still find myself too caught
up in the "day to day" to take off like you, Lowell and Lynn have done to
expand the experience.
Are you going to be able to make it to the open house at KLGU this Saturday? The
invitation is open for other Utah lurkers as well. 11am to 4pm. We will have
food, fuel and potties.
John Kerr
Classic IV,912UL,800 hours.
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From: "john oakley" <john@leptron.com>
Hi guys,
I took a run to phoenix over the holiday with my fox, going from the salt lake
area to Phoenix. As with many of us now, it started out with a half a dozen-frequency
changes before we left the salt lake area. The crossing at the grand canyon
was at the bar ten ranch, this seems to be the safest crossing as at 11500
we could glide to a good landing at any time. The view was smoggy but as usual
spectacular. We had stopped at Parowan, just north of cedar city and got fuel
and oxygen. This seems to be a great place to stop, good people and cheep
fuel. Dropping off the northern rim we landed at Wickenburg for a potty break,
wow, locked gates no bushes higher than my ankle. This will not be a future stop
for me. Good year was a friendly spot to land and leave the plane.
Tues morning we headed back, landing a gravel strip at Grand Canyon caverns. I
could have spent tome there it was a pretty spot and a short walk from the canyon
rim. The motel there could have been where the movie with the bates motel
was filmed, very quiet. I did not walk over there though, so it could have been
a nice place and it was close. Back in the air to my usual crossing, (I love
GPS) a very smooth ride over the top at 11200 and no hands as we were taking
pictures, landing again at Parowan for fuel and oxygen, density alt. Was 14000.
The flight to SLC was uneventful and relatively smooth, although the ride back
through SLC airspace was rough for my little bird. Altitude was hard to hold
and it was busy non stop talk. The landing at Ogden was my best of the run and
we were ready for dinner.
John Oakley
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<DIV>John, thanks for the summary of your trip to Phoenix. I still find myself
too caught up in the "day to day" to take off like you, Lowell and Lynn have
done to expand the experience.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Are you going to be able to make it to the open house at KLGU this Saturday?
The invitation is open for other Utah lurkers as well. 11am to
4pm. We will have food, fuel and potties.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>John Kerr</DIV>
<DIV>Classic IV,912UL,800 hours.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
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out with a half a dozen-frequency changes before we left the salt lake area.
The crossing at the grand canyon was at the bar ten ranch, this seems to be the
safest crossing as at 11500 we could glide to a good landing at any time. The
view was smoggy but as usual spectacular. We had stopped at Parowan, just north
of cedar city and got fuel and oxygen. This seems to be a great place to
stop, good people and cheep fuel. Dropping off the northern rim we landed at Wickenburg
for a potty break, wow, locked gates no bushes higher than my ankle.
This will not be a future stop for me. Good year was
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The motel there could have been where the movie with the bates motel was filmed,
very quiet. I did not walk over there though, so it could have been a nice
place and it was close. Back in the air to my usual crossing, (I love GPS)
a very smooth ride over the top at 11200 and no hands as we were taking pictures,
landing again at Parowan for fuel and oxygen, density alt. Was 14000. The
flight to SLC was uneventful and relatively smooth, although the ride back through
SLC airspace was rough for my little bird. Altitude was hard to hold and
it was busy non stop talk. The landing at <st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Ogden</st1:place></st1:City>
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| Subject: | Re: Stoped / windmilling propeller drag |
I've also cut power to idle at altitude in my clutch-equipped model II. In this
configuration, I can usually hold the descent rate to about 600 fpm, at 50-55
mph indicated. I suspect that with the engine completely off, it will sink much
faster.
I have not flown the Avid yet as I am still one wing short... But, I have flown
my Brothers KF II with the clutch set up. You dont have to kill the engine to
get it to free wheel just pull the power back to an idle. With the power at idle
and the prop free wheeling, at 55-60 I am dropping around 1000' min. I would
hope this would go up if the prop stopped turning.
I have tested it on a cub with the prop windmilling and with the prop stopped.
When starting from 6000' and crossing cook inlet, it was a matter of making the
far shore and having to slip to hit the beach with the prop stopped, and having
to re-start or swim about a mile to mile and a half in real cold water to
get to the beach if I let it wind mill.. Until I had tried it I would never have
figured it would make that much difference.
I put the clutch on my avid as most of the time I will be dealing with cold weather
(rough starts and warm up) and float flying (nice to warm up without moving).
I hope to have mine in the air by the end of the month and will do some testing
with fine and coarse pitch and see how much of a difference that makes.
--------
Leonard Perry
Soldotna AK
Avid "C" / Mk IV
582 IVO IFA
Full Lotus 1260
95% complete
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=115755#115755
Marco Menezes
Model 2 582 N99KX
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John,
Thanks for the trip report. It sounds like a great trip.
Also thanks to Lowell for his report on the Brian Ranch trip.
Randy Daughenbaugh, N10NH
Black Hills of South Dakota, - Near Mount Rushmore
Home Strip, Grass Room in Hangar for visitors
Series 5/7 (7 Firewall Forward) 912S, Warp Drive Taper Tip
Gross Weight 1320 lbs, Flying since November 2004
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[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of john oakley
Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2007 8:22 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: going south
Hi guys,
I took a run to phoenix over the holiday with my fox, going from the salt
lake area to Phoenix. As with many of us now, it started out with a half a
dozen-frequency changes before we left the salt lake area. The crossing at
the grand canyon was at the bar ten ranch, this seems to be the safest
crossing as at 11500 we could glide to a good landing at any time. The view
was smoggy but as usual spectacular. We had stopped at Parowan, just north
of cedar city and got fuel and oxygen. This seems to be a great place to
stop, good people and cheep fuel. Dropping off the northern rim we landed at
Wickenburg for a potty break, wow, locked gates no bushes higher than my
ankle. This will not be a future stop for me. Good year was a friendly spot
to land and leave the plane.
Tues morning we headed back, landing a gravel strip at Grand Canyon caverns.
I could have spent tome there it was a pretty spot and a short walk from the
canyon rim. The motel there could have been where the movie with "the bates"
motel was filmed, very quiet. I did not walk over there though, so it could
have been a nice place and it was close. Back in the air to my usual
crossing, (I love GPS) a very smooth ride over the top at 11200 and no hands
as we were taking pictures, landing again at Parowan for fuel and oxygen,
density alt. Was 14000. The flight to SLC was uneventful and relatively
smooth, although the ride back through SLC airspace was rough for my little
bird. Altitude was hard to hold and it was busy non stop talk. The landing
at Ogden was my best of the run and we were ready for dinner.
John Oakley
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At 07:21 AM 5/31/2007, you wrote:
>I took a run to phoenix over the holiday with my fox, going from the
>salt lake area to Phoenix.
Hi John,
Please forgive me if I've already tasked you with this. I
try to make sure people only hear it once, but sometimes I slip.
Would you please add your approximate location, aircraft and engine
type, and build / flying status in your signature? Mike and I, (the
moderators,) are trying to make the place a little more friendly and
the information helps people get to know each other a little better.
By the way, what were you flying?
Thanks,
Guy Buchanan, Kitfox List Moderator
San Diego, CA
K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 100% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar.
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All,
I apologize to John and the rest of the listers AGAIN. I
just can't seem go get my addresses right. This was supposed to go
privately to John. I don't want you to think I'm harping.
Guy
At 07:45 AM 5/31/2007, you wrote:
>At 07:21 AM 5/31/2007, you wrote:
>>I took a run to phoenix over the holiday with my fox, going from
>>the salt lake area to Phoenix.
>
>Hi John,
> Please forgive me if I've already tasked you with this. I
> try to make sure people only hear it once, but sometimes I slip.
> Would you please add your approximate location, aircraft and engine
> type, and build / flying status in your signature? Mike and I, (the
> moderators,) are trying to make the place a little more friendly
> and the information helps people get to know each other a little better.
> By the way, what were you flying?
>
>Thanks,
>
>
>Guy Buchanan, Kitfox List Moderator
>San Diego, CA
>K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 100% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar.
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Guy,
It is I, which needs to apologize for not paying attention.
I was flying my kitfox.
John Oakley
Kitfox 4 Speedster
912UL W/Cap 730 hours
Ogden UT
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[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Guy Buchanan
Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2007 9:07 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Apology
All,
I apologize to John and the rest of the listers AGAIN. I
just can't seem go get my addresses right. This was supposed to go
privately to John. I don't want you to think I'm harping.
Guy
At 07:45 AM 5/31/2007, you wrote:
>At 07:21 AM 5/31/2007, you wrote:
>>I took a run to phoenix over the holiday with my fox, going from
>>the salt lake area to Phoenix.
>
>Hi John,
> Please forgive me if I've already tasked you with this. I
> try to make sure people only hear it once, but sometimes I slip.
> Would you please add your approximate location, aircraft and engine
> type, and build / flying status in your signature? Mike and I, (the
> moderators,) are trying to make the place a little more friendly
> and the information helps people get to know each other a little better.
> By the way, what were you flying?
>
>Thanks,
>
>
>Guy Buchanan, Kitfox List Moderator
>San Diego, CA
>K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 100% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar.
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John Kerr,
KLGU with Food and Potties, I will be there for sure.
John Oakley
Kitfox 4 Speedster
912UL W/Cap 730 hours
Ogden UT
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Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2007 8:41 AM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: going south
John, thanks for the summary of your trip to Phoenix. I still find myself
too caught up in the "day to day" to take off like you, Lowell and Lynn have
done to expand the experience.
Are you going to be able to make it to the open house at KLGU this Saturday?
The invitation is open for other Utah lurkers as well. 11am to 4pm. We
will have food, fuel and potties.
John Kerr
Classic IV,912UL,800 hours.
-------------- Original message --------------
From: "john oakley" <john@leptron.com>
Hi guys,
I took a run to phoenix over the holiday with my fox, going from the salt
lake area to Phoenix. As with many of us now, it started out with a half a
dozen-frequency changes before we left the salt lake area. The crossing at
the grand canyon was at the bar ten ranch, this seems to be the safest
crossing as at 11500 we could glide to a good landing at any time. The view
was smoggy but as usual spectacular. We had stopped at Parowan, just north
of cedar city and got fuel and oxygen. This seems to be a great place to
stop, good people and cheep fuel. Dropping off the northern rim we landed at
Wickenburg for a potty break, wow, locked gates no bushes higher than my
ankle. This will not be a future stop for me. Good year was a fri endly spot
to land and leave the plane.
Tues morning we headed back, landing a gravel strip at Grand Canyon caverns.
I could have spent tome there it was a pretty spot and a short walk from the
canyon rim. The motel there could have been where the movie with "the bates"
motel was filmed, very quiet. I did not walk over there though, so it could
have been a nice place and it was close. Back in the air to my usual
crossing, (I love GPS) a very smooth ride over the top at 11200 and no hands
as we were taking pictures, landing again at Parowan for fuel and oxygen,
density alt. Was 14000. The flight to SLC was uneventful and relatively
smooth, although the ride back through SLC airspace was rough for my little
bird. Altitude was hard to hold and it was busy non stop talk. The landing
at Ogden was my best of th e run and we were ready for dinner.
John Oakley
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Any chance you could post some pictures?
Luis Rodriguez
Kitfox 4 1200
Laurens, SC
> I took a run to phoenix over the holiday with my fox, going from the salt lake
area to Phoenix
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First off, great post. Second, elaborate on the density alt. of 14000. I never
see anything like that, generally 5000 is the highest I come across up north
here, and that is about 100degrees oat. Third, and this is only because I would
like to fly down there some day, how come you had to fly so high, and need
oxygen. Is the mountain passes that high, weather, or is it just your comfort
level to fly that high?
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I'm looking for an Ellison EFS3 or EFS2 throttle body injector.
Anyone know of one for sale?
Deke Morisse
N148DM
S5/Soob/CAP
NE Michigan
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| Subject: | Re: Stoped / windmilling propeller drag |
the conclusion below might not prove out in practice. with the reduced drag of
a stationary propeller the 50-55 mph indicated will be attainable at a lesser
decent angle.
John Kerr
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From: Marco Menezes <msm_9949@yahoo.com>
I've also cut power to idle at altitude in my clutch-equipped model II. In this
configuration, I can usually hold the descent rate to about 600 fpm, at 50-55
mph indicated. I suspect that with the engine completely off, it will sink much
faster.
akflyer <akflyer_2000@yahoo.com> wrote:
I have not flown the Avid yet as I am still one wing short... But, I have flown
my Brothers KF II with the clutch set up. You dont have to kill the engine to
get it to free wheel just pull the power back to an idle. With the power at idle
and the prop free wheeling, at 55-60 I am dropping around 1000' min. I would
hope this would go up if the prop stopped turning.
I have tested it on a cub with the prop windmilling and with the prop stopped.
When starting from 6000' and crossing cook inlet, it was a matter of making the
far shore and having to slip to hit the beach with the prop stopped, and having
to re-start or swim about a mile to mile and a half in real cold water to
get to the beach if I let it wind mill.. Until I had tried it I would never have
figured it would make that much difference.
I put the clutch on my avid as most of the time I will be dealing with cold weather
(rough starts and warm up) and float flying (nice to warm up without moving).
I hope to have mine in the air by the end of the month and will do some testing
with fine and coarse pitch and see how much of a difference that makes.
--------
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Soldotna AK
Avid "C" / Mk IV
582 IVO IFA
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<DIV>the conclusion below might not prove out in practice. with the reduced
drag of a stationary propeller the 50-55 mph indicated will be attainable at
a lesser decent angle.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>John Kerr</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px
solid">-------------- Original message -------------- <BR>From: Marco Menezes
<msm_9949@yahoo.com> <BR>I've also cut power to idle at altitude in my
clutch-equipped model II. In this configuration, I can usually hold the
descent rate to about 600 fpm, at 50-55 mph indicated. I suspect that with the
engine completely off, it will sink much faster.<BR><BR><B><I>akflyer <akflyer_2000@yahoo.com></I></B>
wrote:
<BLOCKQUOTE class=replbq style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT:
#1010ff 2px solid">--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "akflyer" <AKFLYER_2000@YAHOO.COM><BR><BR>I
have not flown the Avid yet as I am still one wing short...
But, I have flown my Brothers KF II with the clutch set up. You dont have
to kill the engine to get it to free wheel just pull the power back to an
idle. With the power at idle and the prop free wheeling, at 55-60 I am dropping
around 1000' min. I would hope this would go up if the prop stopped turning.
<BR><BR>I have tested it on a cub with the prop windmilling and with the prop
stopped. When starting from 6000' and crossing cook inlet, it was a matter of
making the far shore and having to slip to hit the beach with the prop stopped,
and having to re-start or swim about a mile to mile and a half in real cold
water to get to the beach if I let it wind mill.. Until I had tried it I would
never have figured it would make that much differen
ce.<BR
><BR>I put the clutch on my avid as most of the time I will be dealing with cold
weather (rough starts and warm up) and float flying (nice to warm up without
moving).<BR><BR>I hope to have mine in the air by the end of the month and will
do some testing with fine and coarse pitch and see how much of a difference
that makes.<BR><BR>--------<BR>Leonard Perry<BR>Soldotna AK<BR>Avid "C" / Mk
IV <BR>582 IVO IFA<BR>Full Lotus 1260<BR>95% complete<BR><BR><BR><BR><BR>Read
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If you have the turbo definitely go with the 3. It will save you a lot
of too lean situations.
Rick
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Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2007 11:08 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Ellsion TBI
I'm looking for an Ellison EFS3 or EFS2 throttle body injector.
Anyone know of one for sale?
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N148DM
S5/Soob/CAP
NE Michigan
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john(at)leptron.com wrote:
> Guy,
> It is I, which needs to apologize for not paying attention.
> I was flying my kitfox.
>
> John Oakley
> Kitfox 4 Speedster
> 912UL W/Cap 730 hours
> Ogden UT
>
>
> --
What's to apologize for??? :)
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Mike,
I also fly out of Ogden and we quite frequently see DA of 10k plus...keep in mind
that many of our airports are 4k to 6k field elevation (Parowan, the one John
fueled at is 5930'). Also, when flying across the Grand Canyon, you are reqired
to fly at a certian altitude or fly through one of two corridors, besides,
most pilots prefer to be high so if the engine gives up, they can glide across
it rather than land in the Colorado river which is oftentimes a mile or more
below the rim.
We have many mountain peaks here in Utah in the 10k ti 12k range and a couple in
the 13k range so flying around 10k is really not that high here.
I sold my Model 3 to a guy from WI and after flying out here with me, he did mention
that it is much different than flying the flat land. I wouldn't know, I
have never flown anywhere but the mountainous West.
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| Subject: | Re: Lynn Matteson's Trip from MI to CA -- day 3 |
Don't believe everything you read from these retired list
administrators...they tend to glorify things. : )
This is Lynn from Jimmie's spare room in sunny Cedar Park, TX.I got in
here (actually got into Taylor, TX ) about noon Central time. The
"tower" was operated by Jimmie himself, from the comfort of his air
conditioned car alongside the runway.
I got out of Ruston, LA at 7:20am, and flew until the ground fog started
to occupy too much of the ground, and diverted to Cherokee Co. (JSO). I
had crossed into Texas at 8:11am.
Parat of the JSO AWOS report was for lightning in the distance in the
direction I was headed.
I sat at JSO until I got my nerve back, then headed out again. I got up
to 6500' and stayed there for the rest of the trip...really smooth with
about a 6-12 mph tailwind for the most part. I logged 336 miles in 3.1
hours for a pretty good speed average.
Not a dime was charged for the hangar overnight in Ruston, but the motel
made up for that. I fueled up at Ruston for $4.29/gal., as I
recall...nice people there...VERY helpful. And get this...the courtesy
car was a Mercury Grand Marquis...plush ride for a loaner!
When I get a chance, I'll tally up some figures for fuel, miles, miles
per, etc. for people like me who love to crunch numbers. I left all the
charts in the plane with the fuel slips, probably on purpose
(subconciously).
Lynn
----- Original Message -----
From: fox5flyer
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2007 6:45 AM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Lynn Matteson's Trip from MI to CA -- day 3
I don't know about Google, but here's a map of it.
Deke Morisse
N148DM
S5/Soob/CAP
NE Michigan
http://www.city-data.com/city/Bald-Knob-Arkansas.html
do not archive
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From: David Dawe
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2007 4:09 AM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Lynn Matteson's Trip from MI to CA -- day
3
Trying to track on Google map, Bald Knob does show?
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From: fox5flyer@idealwifi.net
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Subject: Kitfox-List: Lynn Matteson's Trip from MI to CA -- day 3
Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 21:43:27 -0500
I just got off the phone with Lynn Matteson. Because of the
really stormy weather in the central part of the country he didn't make
much progress today, but he did make progress. With fog and haze he
wasn't able to get out of Bald Knob AR until about 1130 this morning.
The trip was mostly in and out of weather cells with lots of rain, but
most of them he was able to fly around. However, things began to get
worse and after about 200 mile of this he saw what appeared to be a
solid wall, clear to the ground, with no way around. So, Ruston LA was
just ahead and with an uneventful landing he decided to wait out the
storm. Good decision. He filled up and was offered some hangar space
by the locals who said things were going to get real nasty pretty soon
and they didn't want to see his airplane sitting out in that stuff. And
nasty it got! Anyway, with his airplane tucked away safely, he took the
courtesy car into town, got something to eat, and the lecher is
currently holed up in a motel looking out the window ogling a bunch of
cheerleaders practicing their moves outside.
He plans to get out as early as possible in the morning and try to
make Taylor TX (where he'll be visiting Jimmie Blackwell) before noon to
beat the afternoon storms.
Total today was only 215 miles, but at least he made progress.
Deke Morisse
N148DM
S5/Soob/CAP
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| Subject: | Re: Stoped / windmilling propeller drag |
That much sink at that airspeed. Like a Cessna with full flaps. Clint
From: Marco Menezes <msm_9949@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Stoped / windmilling propeller drag
I've also cut power to idle at altitude in my clutch-equipped model II. In
this configuration, I can usually hold the descent rate to about 600 fpm, at
50-55 mph indicated. I suspect that with the engine completely off, it will
sink much faster.
"akflyer"
I have not flown the Avid yet as I am still one wing short... But, I have
flown my Brothers KF II with the clutch set up. You dont have to kill the
engine to get it to free wheel just pull the power back to an idle. With the
power at idle and the prop free wheeling, at 55-60 I am dropping around
1000' min. I would hope this would go up if the prop stopped turning.
I have tested it on a cub with the prop windmilling and with the prop
stopped. When starting from 6000' and crossing cook inlet, it was a matter
of making the far shore and having to slip to hit the beach with the prop
stopped, and having to re-start or swim about a mile to mile and a half in
real cold water to get to the beach if I let it wind mill.. Until I had
tried it I would never have figured it would make that much difference.
I put the clutch on my avid as most of the time I will be dealing with cold
weather (rough starts and warm up) and float flying (nice to warm up without
moving).
I hope to have mine in the air by the end of the month and will do some
testing with fine and coarse pitch and see how much of a difference that
makes.
--------
Leonard Perry
Soldotna AK
Avid "C" / Mk IV
582 IVO IFA
Full Lotus 1260
95% complete
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Thanks John, makes sense now. I love the mountains, spokane wa. , I generally
fly below the peeks, that and about 50 ft from the side. I think it would scare
the crap out of some people. I've taken a few lessons on mountain flying and
if done right, can be the best flight you ever took. I go out in the boonies
all the time and fly abou 20 off the ground and go around trees, way too much
fun. I know my fox flies fine at 12000 so that high of a density alt. should
be ok. Something to plan for anyway.
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model IV, 1200
speedster
912ul
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| Subject: | ox-List:HELP!!! Ellsion TBI, Gas starvation |
I recently bought a series 5 with a subaru NSI engine and ellison TBI
My CFI was flying it up from Seattle to Anchorage, Ak a couple days ago
and had a BAD fuel starvation problem. He almost didn't make it to Whit
ehorse, Canada because it was running so rough. He took the Throttle Bo
dy Inector off and will be here in Anchorage with it tonight, where I wi
ll send it back to Ellison for a diagnosis. The question I have is that
he couldn't find a fuel filter and there was also no air filter in the
air box. Where do I look and does KitfoxLLC have air filters for the NS
I Subaru equipt Series 5's? Help me if you can. I'm going to drive to
Whitehorse to do a fuel flow check from the wing tanks to the engine and
see if it's sufficient, but I also need to either find the fuel filter
and change it or put one in. I can't believe it doesn't have one. This
almost cost my CFI his life so I really need some answers.
Also, when talking to the owner of Ellison, He said that they were the s
upplier of the TBI for the turbocharged subaru engine but they didn't fe
el their TBI's were a good match for the subaru so NSI bought the parts
from Ellison and retrofitted them. Mr. Ellison continues to feel uncomf
ortable with his TBI's in the turbo'd NSI Subaru. Thanks, Layne
<html><P>I recently bought a series 5 with a subaru NSI engine and ellis
on TBI My CFI was flying it up from Seattle to Anchorage, Ak
a couple days ago and had a BAD fuel starvation problem. He
almost didn't make it to Whitehorse, Canada because it was running so ro
ugh. He took the Throttle Body Inector off and will be here in Anc
horage with it tonight, where I will send it back to Ellison for a diagn
osis. The question I have is that he couldn't find a fuel filter a
nd there was also no air filter in the air box. Where do I look an
d does KitfoxLLC have air filters for the NSI Subaru equipt Series
5's? Help me if you can. I'm going to drive to Whitehorse to
do a fuel flow check from the wing tanks to the engine and see if it's
sufficient, but I also need to either find the fuel filter and chan
ge it or put one in. I can't believe it doesn't have one. Th
is almost cost my CFI his life so I really need some answers. </P>
<P>Also, when talking to the owner of Ellison, He said that they were th
e supplier of the TBI for the turbocharged subaru engine but they didn't
feel their TBI's were a good match for the subaru so NSI bought th
e parts from Ellison and retrofitted them. Mr. Ellison continues t
o feel uncomfortable with his TBI's in the turbo'd NSI Subaru. &nbs
p; Thanks, Layne </P>
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| Subject: | Kitfox-List:HELP!!! Ellsion TBI, Gas starvation |
Layne,
The Ellison in my NSI has a finger strainer on the inlet. The air box on
the throttle body has space for a foam filter element. I got my replacement
element material from a John Deere dealership. It is just a long piece of
air filter foam that I cut to length and stuff into the filter holder on the
front of the air box. The Ellison EFS-2 is not very well suited for the NSI
Subaru engine, it does not really have enough flow through it. On the
Subaru, it is operating at well over its rated flow capability. The -3 or
larger would have been a much better fit.
I hope there is some other sort of filter on your fuel lines between the
tank and throttle body. The gascolater is not a filter by any stretch of
the imagination.
Mike Logan
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[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
debrun26@juno.com
Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2007 5:34 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List:HELP!!! Ellsion TBI, Gas starvation
I recently bought a series 5 with a subaru NSI engine and ellison TBI My
CFI was flying it up from Seattle to Anchorage, Ak a couple days ago and had
a BAD fuel starvation problem. He almost didn't make it to Whitehorse,
Canada because it was running so rough. He took the Throttle Body Inector
off and will be here in Anchorage with it tonight, where I will send it back
to Ellison for a diagnosis. The question I have is that he couldn't find a
fuel filter and there was also no air filter in the air box. Where do I
look and does KitfoxLLC have air filters for the NSI Subaru equipt Series
5's? Help me if you can. I'm going to drive to Whitehorse to do a fuel
flow check from the wing tanks to the engine and see if it's sufficient, but
I also need to either find the fuel filter and change it or put one in. I
can't believe it doesn't have one. This almost cost my CFI his life so I
really need some answers.
Also, when talking to the owner of Ellison, He said that they were the
supplier of the TBI for the turbocharged subaru engine but they didn't feel
their TBI's were a good match for the subaru so NSI bought the parts from
Ellison and retrofitted them. Mr. Ellison continues to feel uncomfortable
with his TBI's in the turbo'd NSI Subaru. Thanks, Layne
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Deke,
I have one but my plan is to build another engine with the NSI heads and
intake to sell. I don't really recommend the EFS2 since it really does not
flow enough air and fuel for the Soob. If you can think of another throttle
body setup, you might want to go with that. I think the EFS3 is set up a
different way than the EFS2.
Mike Logan
Former NSI, NOW RAM!!!
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Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2007 2:08 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Ellsion TBI
I'm looking for an Ellison EFS3 or EFS2 throttle body injector.
Anyone know of one for sale?
Deke Morisse
N148DM
S5/Soob/CAP
NE Michigan
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Mike,
On the ground in Arizona the temps were over 100, the grand canyon had
winds of 15 gusting to 22 not much in the real world but the vertical walls
in the canyon sometimes cause the air to move up and down at that speed...
very uncomfortable. The oxygen is just a precaution and well for us guys
coming up on 60 it makes travel much less tiring.
Spokane is the place that got me really started in flying; I used to ride my
bike to Phelps field and wash planes, also helped the sea plane tie up to
the docks while giving rides at lake coeurdalene when I was a kid.
John Oakley
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[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of kitfoxmike
Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2007 10:44 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: going south
First off, great post. Second, elaborate on the density alt. of 14000. I
never see anything like that, generally 5000 is the highest I come across up
north here, and that is about 100degrees oat. Third, and this is only
because I would like to fly down there some day, how come you had to fly so
high, and need oxygen. Is the mountain passes that high, weather, or is it
just your comfort level to fly that high?
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Luis Rodriguez,
I will be glad to post pictures. I will sit down this evening and figure out
how. We did manage to get a few good ones.
John Oakley
Kitfox 5nx
Model 4 speedster
Ogden ut
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of wingnut
Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2007 10:21 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: going south
Any chance you could post some pictures?
Luis Rodriguez
Kitfox 4 1200
Laurens, SC
> I took a run to phoenix over the holiday with my fox, going from the salt
lake area to Phoenix
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John,
Thanks for the report. One comment, at Wickenburg, you were a short hop to
the Sunrise Skypark where the Arizona folks have their annual fly-in. I
doubt anyone would have been home as their business takes them away for
months at a time.
Lowell Fitt
Cameron Park, CA
Model IV-1200 R-912 UL Warp
1998 870 hrs.
----- Original Message -----
From: "john oakley" <john@leptron.com>
Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2007 7:21 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: going south
> Hi guys,
>
> I took a run to phoenix over the holiday with my fox, going from the salt
> lake area to Phoenix. As with many of us now, it started out with a half a
> dozen-frequency changes before we left the salt lake area. The crossing at
> the grand canyon was at the bar ten ranch, this seems to be the safest
> crossing as at 11500 we could glide to a good landing at any time. The
> view
> was smoggy but as usual spectacular. We had stopped at Parowan, just north
> of cedar city and got fuel and oxygen. This seems to be a great place to
> stop, good people and cheep fuel. Dropping off the northern rim we landed
> at
> Wickenburg for a potty break, wow, locked gates no bushes higher than my
> ankle. This will not be a future stop for me. Good year was a friendly
> spot
> to land and leave the plane.
>
> Tues morning we headed back, landing a gravel strip at Grand Canyon
> caverns.
> I could have spent tome there it was a pretty spot and a short walk from
> the
> canyon rim. The motel there could have been where the movie with "the
> bates"
> motel was filmed, very quiet. I did not walk over there though, so it
> could
> have been a nice place and it was close. Back in the air to my usual
> crossing, (I love GPS) a very smooth ride over the top at 11200 and no
> hands
> as we were taking pictures, landing again at Parowan for fuel and oxygen,
> density alt. Was 14000. The flight to SLC was uneventful and relatively
> smooth, although the ride back through SLC airspace was rough for my
> little
> bird. Altitude was hard to hold and it was busy non stop talk. The landing
> at Ogden was my best of the run and we were ready for dinner.
>
>
> John Oakley
>
>
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Lowell,
I was thinking of those guys as I was touching down. I could not remember
when they get together. I have missed getting with you these past years
also. Hummm... this could change.
John Oakley
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Lowell Fitt
Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2007 4:22 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: going south
John,
Thanks for the report. One comment, at Wickenburg, you were a short hop to
the Sunrise Skypark where the Arizona folks have their annual fly-in. I
doubt anyone would have been home as their business takes them away for
months at a time.
Lowell Fitt
Cameron Park, CA
Model IV-1200 R-912 UL Warp
1998 870 hrs.
----- Original Message -----
From: "john oakley" <john@leptron.com>
Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2007 7:21 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: going south
> Hi guys,
>
> I took a run to phoenix over the holiday with my fox, going from the salt
> lake area to Phoenix. As with many of us now, it started out with a half a
> dozen-frequency changes before we left the salt lake area. The crossing at
> the grand canyon was at the bar ten ranch, this seems to be the safest
> crossing as at 11500 we could glide to a good landing at any time. The
> view
> was smoggy but as usual spectacular. We had stopped at Parowan, just north
> of cedar city and got fuel and oxygen. This seems to be a great place to
> stop, good people and cheep fuel. Dropping off the northern rim we landed
> at
> Wickenburg for a potty break, wow, locked gates no bushes higher than my
> ankle. This will not be a future stop for me. Good year was a friendly
> spot
> to land and leave the plane.
>
> Tues morning we headed back, landing a gravel strip at Grand Canyon
> caverns.
> I could have spent tome there it was a pretty spot and a short walk from
> the
> canyon rim. The motel there could have been where the movie with "the
> bates"
> motel was filmed, very quiet. I did not walk over there though, so it
> could
> have been a nice place and it was close. Back in the air to my usual
> crossing, (I love GPS) a very smooth ride over the top at 11200 and no
> hands
> as we were taking pictures, landing again at Parowan for fuel and oxygen,
> density alt. Was 14000. The flight to SLC was uneventful and relatively
> smooth, although the ride back through SLC airspace was rough for my
> little
> bird. Altitude was hard to hold and it was busy non stop talk. The landing
> at Ogden was my best of the run and we were ready for dinner.
>
>
> John Oakley
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Kitfox-List:HELP!!! Ellsion TBI, Gas starvation |
Layne,
My Kitfox 5 is also with the NSI package. To access the fuel filter you
must first remove the seat, it is located beneath, and in the middle of
the seats.
I did also have to send my Ellison unit to them as it started a slow
leak. Somewhat like a needle seat in a standart carb.
Hope this helps.
LeRoy
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Thanks Michael, I appreciate the advice.
Deke Morisse
N148DM
S5/Soob/CAP
NE Michigan
----- Original Message -----
From: Michael Logan
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2007 4:56 PM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Ellsion TBI
Deke,
I have one but my plan is to build another engine with the NSI heads
and intake to sell. I don't really recommend the EFS2 since it really
does not flow enough air and fuel for the Soob. If you can think of
another throttle body setup, you might want to go with that. I think
the EFS3 is set up a different way than the EFS2.
Mike Logan
Former NSI, NOW RAM!!!
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From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of fox5flyer
Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2007 2:08 PM
To: Kitfox List
Subject: Kitfox-List: Ellsion TBI
I'm looking for an Ellison EFS3 or EFS2 throttle body injector.
Anyone know of one for sale?
Deke Morisse
N148DM
S5/Soob/CAP
NE Michigan
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| Subject: | Re: Stoped / windmilling propeller drag |
Pretty draggy. Alot like full flaps on a 172. In fact, I've also used the big fan
to steepen glide on short final.
That much sink at that airspeed. Like a Cessna with full flaps. Clint
From: Marco Menezes
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Stoped / windmilling propeller drag
I've also cut power to idle at altitude in my clutch-equipped model II. In
this configuration, I can usually hold the descent rate to about 600 fpm, at
50-55 mph indicated. I suspect that with the engine completely off, it will
sink much faster.
"akflyer"
I have not flown the Avid yet as I am still one wing short... But, I have
flown my Brothers KF II with the clutch set up. You dont have to kill the
engine to get it to free wheel just pull the power back to an idle. With the
power at idle and the prop free wheeling, at 55-60 I am dropping around
1000' min. I would hope this would go up if the prop stopped turning.
I have tested it on a cub with the prop windmilling and with the prop
stopped. When starting from 6000' and crossing cook inlet, it was a matter
of making the far shore and having to slip to hit the beach with the prop
stopped, and having to re-start or swim about a mile to mile and a half in
real cold water to get to the beach if I let it wind mill.. Until I had
tried it I would never have figured it would make that much difference.
I put the clutch on my avid as most of the time I will be dealing with cold
weather (rough starts and warm up) and float flying (nice to warm up without
moving).
I hope to have mine in the air by the end of the month and will do some
testing with fine and coarse pitch and see how much of a difference that
makes.
--------
Leonard Perry
Soldotna AK
Avid "C" / Mk IV
582 IVO IFA
Full Lotus 1260
95% complete
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Model 2 582 N99KX
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John,
I'm going to say this real quiet so nobody else hears. I'm 50. eeek. well in August
anyway.
My plane is at felts field, can get crazy sometimes after the tower closes at 8pm.
Most problems come from pilots doing wrong traffic patterns, with the two
parallel runways, it can get crazy.
--------
kitfoxmike
model IV, 1200
speedster
912ul
building
RV7a
slowbuild wings, fuse
Do not archive
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building kitfox model 5 can some one give me some input re drain holes in the rudder
thanks Gerry
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| Subject: | Re: Best software for logging build progress? |
I can share my Excel spreadsheet that I basically grabbed from a Velocity builder
and modified to use for my Kitfox. Some of the empty fields contain the original
formulas, but I don't think that they work with they way I am using the
fields, so I overwrite them with static data.
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Kent Knudsen
College Station, TX
K-IV 1200 / no engine / 25% done
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Hi Gerry,
Just the rudder? OK, I put one on each side at the
lowest point of the rudder at the front post to drain
both sides of the tube. I used the float plane
grommets over the holes opening aft and a little bit
down to suck any water out.
For a tail dragger parked, I added 2 more at the
lowest point along the aft part of the rudder before
it curves up.
If you have ribs that the fabric attaches to, you need
at least one on the lowest point above each rib as
well.
I seem to remember buying 50 seaplane grommets and
being a few short for the whole plane. 17 on the
fuselage belly alone. It takes a lot, but the only
thing you should notice in the end is no rust.
I used the hot point of a pencil soldering iron and
only burned thru where I had 2 layers of fabric, or
more.
Kurt S.
S-5/NSI turbo
Florida and Panama
--- Gerald Jantzi <gvjantzi@yahoo.com> wrote:
> building kitfox model 5 can some one give me some
> input re drain holes in the rudder thanks Gerry
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| Subject: | Kitfox-List:new EAA website with pics of my classic 4 |
This is not exactly kitfox related but I have just finished the new website
for EAA chapter 612 here in Missouri and would love some feedback on the
content or lack there of. It does have some great young eagles pictures
including my red classic 4. this is my first attempt at webdesign so any
feedback , good or bad would be great. thanks
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| Subject: | Re: Kitfox-List:new EAA website with pics of my classic 4 |
Kirk, I just scanned the website and like it. Doesn't look home built to
me. As for suggestions, I like to see larger pictures linked to the smaller
thumbnails. Lots more work though. What software are you using.
Lowell Fitt
Cameron Park, CA
Model IV-1200 R-912 UL Warp
1998 850 hrs.
----- Original Message -----
From: "kirk hull" <kirkhull@kc.rr.com>
Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2007 7:47 PM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List:new EAA website with pics of my classic 4
>
> This is not exactly kitfox related but I have just finished the new
> website
> for EAA chapter 612 here in Missouri and would love some feedback on the
> content or lack there of. It does have some great young eagles pictures
> including my red classic 4. this is my first attempt at webdesign so any
> feedback , good or bad would be great. thanks
>
>
>
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At 08:27 AM 5/31/2007, you wrote:
>I was flying my kitfox.
I hate it when you do that. ;-)
Guy Buchanan, Kitfox List Moderator
San Diego, CA
K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 100% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar.
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