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1. 05:20 AM - Re: engine out logic ?? (Bob)
2. 07:06 AM - Re: Re: More on Cowlings ()
3. 07:09 AM - 582 oil injection (369PL)
4. 07:44 AM - Re: 582 oil injection (Don Smythe)
5. 09:37 AM - Re: Re: engine out logic ?? (Dave G.)
6. 12:39 PM - Re: Re: More on Cowlings ()
7. 10:03 PM - lowells flyin Carmon park (jerry evans)
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| Subject: | Re: engine out logic ?? |
Groan, this is how urban legends get going.
The real story sure wasn't that it was a China Airlines A380, as the 380 hasn't
even entered service yet!
This has happened a couple of times, usually with a Boeing simply because that's
what most of the transport fleet is. (All the Airbusses built in all of their
models about equals the Boeing 737s fleet.) The last strap-down ferry-flight
(no passengers) I know of was an approved flight, I believe out of an African
airport. Option #1 for a bad engine is to ship in a quick-change (QEC), but
they couldn't change the engine at that place. Option #2 is usually to remove
the N1 fan blades to reduce drag, but in this case they had additional issues
and could take off with reduced fuel weight, so used the straps to lock the
N1 disc in place.
BTW, you'll occasionally see photos of a transport with one too many engines.
There are a few airplanes with a hardpoint to carry a spare QEC. That engine has
no provision for fuel or anything else to make it run.
Bob
Aero Eng / A&P
Mostly work transports & ex-L-1011 field service rep
Vixen in-work
Damascus, MD
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| Subject: | Re: More on Cowlings |
Thanks Don, it does clear up on what I was thinking.Thanks for your time and effort.--Leon---
Leon Morris/Classic 4/50%/Flower Mound,TX
---- Don G <donghe@one-eleven.net> wrote:
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> Leon,
> OK, here is the way my speedster tip are riveted.
>
> >From the trailing edge forward, the first rivet on the top side is exactly 3
1/2 inchs. This puts it pretty close to even with the third rivet in the flaperon
bracket....not quite..maybe 1/2 a rivet off
>
> On the bottom, the first rivet is 3 inchs forward of the trailing edge. So obviously
there is a backing strip aft of the flaperon bracket. Top and bottom.
>
> I might add that the edge of the fiberglass wingtip fits up right next to the
flaperon bracket. It would take a feeler gage to see if there is clearance.
>
> Hope this helps you!
>
> --------
> Don G.
> Central Illinois
> Kitfox IV Speedster
> Luscombe 8A
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> http://www.geocities.com/dagger369th/my_firefly.htm
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> Read this topic online here:
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> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=117415#117415
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| Subject: | 582 oil injection |
I have a kitfox IV with a 582. The original builder removed the oil injection and
premixed his fuel. I want to reinstall the oil injection. Which oil tank will
fit under the cowl 582 side mount #881 465, $161.42 or
582 end mount #88146582, $189.95. These are lockwood #s. Or do you have to get
a tank and make your own bracket. Also who sells the fuel header tank that goes
behind the seat.
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| Subject: | Re: 582 oil injection |
http://www.usplastic.com/catalog/product.asp?catalog%5Fname=USPlastic&category%5Fname=15034&product%5Fid=14979
I just had to replace my original bottle. The bottle supplied from Skystar
is on the above site from US Plastics. You will have to drill a hole in the
bottom for a bulkhead fitting and modify the threads on the cap so it will
vent. John McBean was out of the bottles so I had to go to US Plastics.
You can use these bottles but will have to fabricate a bracket. Contact
John McBean for the header tank.
Don Smythe
Don Smythe
----- Original Message -----
From: "369PL" <n3pupnc@aol.com>
Sent: Saturday, June 09, 2007 10:09 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: 582 oil injection
>
> I have a kitfox IV with a 582. The original builder removed the oil
> injection and premixed his fuel. I want to reinstall the oil injection.
> Which oil tank will fit under the cowl 582 side mount #881 465, $161.42 or
> 582 end mount #88146582, $189.95. These are lockwood #s. Or do you have
> to get a tank and make your own bracket. Also who sells the fuel header
> tank that goes behind the seat.
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=117455#117455
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: engine out logic ?? |
This link appears to lead to the story, with pictures.
http://iagblog.blogspot.com/2007/01/chinese-aircraft-maintenance.html
do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bob" <dswaim1119@comcast.net>
Sent: Saturday, June 09, 2007 9:20 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: engine out logic ??
>
> Groan, this is how urban legends get going.
>
> The real story sure wasn't that it was a China Airlines A380, as the 380
> hasn't even entered service yet!
>
> This has happened a couple of times, usually with a Boeing simply because
> that's what most of the transport fleet is. (All the Airbusses built in
> all of their models about equals the Boeing 737s fleet.) The last
> strap-down ferry-flight (no passengers) I know of was an approved flight,
> I believe out of an African airport. Option #1 for a bad engine is to
> ship in a quick-change (QEC), but they couldn't change the engine at that
> place. Option #2 is usually to remove the N1 fan blades to reduce drag,
> but in this case they had additional issues and could take off with
> reduced fuel weight, so used the straps to lock the N1 disc in place.
>
> BTW, you'll occasionally see photos of a transport with one too many
> engines. There are a few airplanes with a hardpoint to carry a spare QEC.
> That engine has no provision for fuel or anything else to make it run.
>
> Bob
> Aero Eng / A&P
> Mostly work transports & ex-L-1011 field service rep
> Vixen in-work
> Damascus, MD
>
> --------
> Remember that internet advice may only be worth what you pay.
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=117442#117442
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: More on Cowlings |
Hey Don,thanks again for your trouble.After going out and looking over my wings
I guess I have one of two options; remove the 1/2" backing strip on the outside
of the #9 with a heat gun and epoxy the 1" strip into place,but don't rivet
the trailing edge area until installing the flaperon bracket;or I can just epoxy
the 1" backing strips over the 1/2" strips at the trailing edge and not rivet
the tail end until installing the bracket. I really don't like either idea.--Leon
Leon Morris/Classic4(1994)/50%/Flower Mound,TX
---- Don G <donghe@one-eleven.net> wrote:
>
> Leon,
> OK, here is the way my speedster tip are riveted.
>
> >From the trailing edge forward, the first rivet on the top side is exactly 3
1/2 inchs. This puts it pretty close to even with the third rivet in the flaperon
bracket....not quite..maybe 1/2 a rivet off
>
> On the bottom, the first rivet is 3 inchs forward of the trailing edge. So obviously
there is a backing strip aft of the flaperon bracket. Top and bottom.
>
> I might add that the edge of the fiberglass wingtip fits up right next to the
flaperon bracket. It would take a feeler gage to see if there is clearance.
>
> Hope this helps you!
>
> --------
> Don G.
> Central Illinois
> Kitfox IV Speedster
> Luscombe 8A
>
> http://www.geocities.com/dagger369th/my_firefly.htm
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=117415#117415
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | lowells flyin Carmon park |
Thank you Lowell for a great day Thanks to all who showed up, food was great,
People were greater ! Planes were very nice I'm glad I got to meet everyone,
thanks for all the information !! JERRY
Jerry Evans
96% done 582
Magalia Calif.
N582'er'
kitfox 555
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