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1. 07:13 AM - Re: Flying Question (n85ae)
2. 08:34 AM - Re: Flying Question (kitfoxmike)
3. 10:38 AM - Re: Warped tanks? (Guy Buchanan)
4. 11:08 AM - Re: Jabiru 2200 Install Photos (DanM)
5. 11:36 AM - Re: Warped tanks? (Lowell Fitt)
6. 12:31 PM - Jabiru 2200 Install Photos (again) (DanM)
7. 01:22 PM - Re: Jabiru 2200 Install Photos (again) (Jose M. Toro)
8. 01:33 PM - Re: Jabiru 2200 Install Photos (again) (DanM)
9. 03:25 PM - Re: Warped tanks? (jdmcbean)
10. 06:11 PM - 912 lost some oil??? (Don G)
11. 06:13 PM - Re: 912 lost some oil??? (Don G)
12. 07:58 PM - Re: 912 lost some oil??? (wingnut)
13. 09:07 PM - Re: Re: 912 lost some oil??? (Andy Fultz)
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| Subject: | Re: Flying Question |
Mine is a series 5 with an IO-240
I chop power on downwind, slow down to 60 set my trim, turn base,
then start slipping (60 mph) on base/final. I fly tight patterns, and
mostly don't use any flaps. I'm probably starting to get the nose up
into the serious part of the flare once I know I have runway under
me, at that point speed is dropping from the 60 I flew on final to final
plopdown around 35-40.
Any faster than 60 on final and I need to bring lunch while I wait for
touchdown.
I compensate for Cessna's, etc. By simply flying tight patterns, and slip
a lot. They're always 2 miles out on final anyway, so not really a problem.
Most CFI's will be in major pucker mode in my plane, because they
simply are not used to the nose high attitude of the plane, or the slow
speed. If the CFI does not have time in a Kitfox, or something very
similar they are really not qualified to comment on how best to fly
it in my opinion.
Somebody mentioned something about engine failure. Well mine did,
when the engine driven pump failed on my sixth test flight. I was 3000
AGL and glided about 4 miles back to the airport. I always fly with an
awareness of fields, etc, and adjust my flight path accordingly. I fly
under the O-Hare Class B a lot, and emergency landing here can mean
a subdivision (no thanks). SO my advice to the guy who mentioned
he doesn't worry about it ... Please do NOT fly over my neighborhood.
I think assuming your engine is not going to fail, is in effect assuring that
it will.
Jeff Hays
Series 5, IO-240B
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| Subject: | Re: Flying Question |
Oh, I think about the engine all the time, I just don't obsess about it. I make
checks on my engine and do a preflight on the aircraft before each flight.
I too make short approaches for the reason that if the engine did fail I'm close
to the runway, at least that's a good excuse for doing them. Those pilots
that do the 2 mile approaches are the ones that WILL have a big problem if the
fan quits.
For those that try to preplan what to do if the fan quits. Try this one, pick
a landing spot for a simulation, now go low and slow and check that landing spot
out, might scare you. Better yet, take your land vehicle and go check out
some of the spots you picked out. Big difference from picking one at 1000ft versus
on the ground looking at them. Might change your perception of good landing
spots. I still think landing on a road and hitting a sign or two is much
better.
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kitfoxmike
model IV, 1200
speedster
912ul
building
RV7a
slowbuild wings, fuse
Do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Warped tanks? |
At 05:47 PM 6/11/2007, you wrote:
>When I put the tanks on the spars, they don't go down flush with the
>ribcaps on either side of each and the outer trailing edge corner of
>each tank sticks up about 1/4". They are only touching the rear
>spar on the inboard corner. Is this a bit abnormal? Am I supposed
>to not get them down flush with the rib caps? I was assuming they
>should drop right down evenly on the spars and be flush with the ribs.
You're right, they're supposed to be even or below the rip caps on
each end and from what I understand will lay close to each spar front
and rear. (In the IV there were gaps between the spar and tank viewed
from the bottom, but the tank flange laid on the spars along their
entire length.) It is possible you've got incorrectly assembled
tanks. This would be possible if the tank tops were bonded on with a
twist in the tank. It's odd, though, that both tanks are the same.
It's also interesting that there should be nearly 0.11" of wash-out
at the end of the tank, based on 1/2" of washout at 156" per the
manual. If you built the wings with wash-in instead of wash-out the
error would be 0.22" at the corner of the tank, very close to the
1/4" you're seeing. I suppose it is also possible they assembled the
tanks reversed in the jigs.
Guy Buchanan
San Diego, CA
K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 100% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar.
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| Subject: | Re: Jabiru 2200 Install Photos |
The photos never showed up on the Kitfox list photos site. I will try to repost
them on Sportflight web site soon
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Dan Mc Intyre
Kitfox Model IV, Jab 2200
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| Subject: | Re: Warped tanks? |
Guy's response is similar to my thoughts. When I built, I had two tanks
built for the left wing with enough twist to accommodate the wing twist.
The problem arose when they positioned the filler neck. It suggested that
one tank was a right wing tank. It rocked severely on the right wing. I
had to have it exchanged. The replacement fit fine.
As I read the original post, I tried to visualize the rocking and it seems
that the tank is twisted in the proper direction, but excessive. I may be
wrong in that, but when the tanks are mated up and top and bottom are
bonded, they must be jigged during curing to get the desired shape as the
two pieces are not sufficiently stiff to arrive at a predictable final
twist.
Lowell Fitt
Cameron Park, CA
Model IV-1200 R-912 UL Warp
1998 870 hrs.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Guy Buchanan" <bnn@nethere.com>
Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2007 10:28 AM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Warped tanks?
> At 05:47 PM 6/11/2007, you wrote:
>>When I put the tanks on the spars, they don't go down flush with the
>>ribcaps on either side of each and the outer trailing edge corner of
>>each tank sticks up about 1/4". They are only touching the rear
>>spar on the inboard corner. Is this a bit abnormal? Am I supposed
>>to not get them down flush with the rib caps? I was assuming they
>>should drop right down evenly on the spars and be flush with the ribs.
>
> You're right, they're supposed to be even or below the rip caps on
> each end and from what I understand will lay close to each spar front
> and rear. (In the IV there were gaps between the spar and tank viewed
> from the bottom, but the tank flange laid on the spars along their
> entire length.) It is possible you've got incorrectly assembled
> tanks. This would be possible if the tank tops were bonded on with a
> twist in the tank. It's odd, though, that both tanks are the same.
> It's also interesting that there should be nearly 0.11" of wash-out
> at the end of the tank, based on 1/2" of washout at 156" per the
> manual. If you built the wings with wash-in instead of wash-out the
> error would be 0.22" at the corner of the tank, very close to the
> 1/4" you're seeing. I suppose it is also possible they assembled the
> tanks reversed in the jigs.
>
>
> Guy Buchanan
> San Diego, CA
> K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 100% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar.
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| Subject: | Jabiru 2200 Install Photos (again) |
Jabiru 2200 engine install , Model IV Kitfox. Can't seem to get them on the Kitfox
List Photos or the Sportflight web site, so here they are:
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Dan Mc Intyre
Kitfox Model IV, Jab 2200
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| Subject: | Re: Jabiru 2200 Install Photos (again) |
Dan:
Thanks for the pictures! Do you have pictures of the cowling?
Jose
----- Original Message ----
From: DanM <danm@gangnailtruss.com>
Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2007 3:30:47 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Jabiru 2200 Install Photos (again)
Jabiru 2200 engine install , Model IV Kitfox. Can't seem to get them on the Kitfox
List Photos or the Sportflight web site, so here they are:
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Dan Mc Intyre
Kitfox Model IV, Jab 2200
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| Subject: | Re: Jabiru 2200 Install Photos (again) |
Yes Jose, but the cowling is not complete yet, I'll post what I have
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Dan Mc Intyre
Kitfox Model IV, Jab 2200
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OK Just to clarify.. It is not uncommon for the tanks to sit above the
capstrips.. Sometimes one either builds the capstrips up or just leaves it
alone some have gone to the length of installing another capstrip on top
and sanding it down to match the tank flange. If the tanks are placed in
the wing and they do not rock from corner to corner then the twist is pretty
close.. about an 1/8 rock is not uncommon. At the leading edge there is an
allowance for the spar reinforcement bracket that sits up high as well.
Just a few pics of one.
Fly Safe !!
John & Debra McBean
208.337.5111
www.kitfoxaircraft.com
"It's not how Fast... It's how Fun!"
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From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Greaves
Sent: Monday, June 11, 2007 6:47 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Warped tanks?
I am in the process of installing my fuel tanks on my 7. I trimmed them
down to clear the reinforcement strips. The washout and dihedral are all
set. When I put the tanks on the spars, they don't go down flush with the
ribcaps on either side of each and the outer trailing edge corner of each
tank sticks up about 1/4". They are only touching the rear spar on the
inboard corner. Is this a bit abnormal? Am I supposed to not get them down
flush with the rib caps? I was assuming they should drop right down evenly
on the spars and be flush with the ribs.
Thanks,
Wade Greaves
6:39 AM
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| Subject: | 912 lost some oil??? |
Yesterday, after getting N85KF's annual signed off by my A&P, I was able to finally
get into the air with my new bird. Flew great...much more nimble than I thought
they were these speedsters! Enjoyed an hour of exploreing its capabilities.
This might even be an understatement as I was 45 minutes or so in to my
joyride, and a local bud with a Stearman appeared off my wing, on an intersecting
course. Well, boys being boys..we tangled for 10 minutes or so...If only I
would have had a gunsite..
Anyway...upon declareing a gentlemanly draw...we went our seperate ways and I looked
down for a engine scan...rut roh...Oil temps high...real high..like 280F...water
fine at 220 and oil pressure down to 30. hmmm pulled back on the throttle
quickly to 4400 and stared at that oil temp guage for 5 minutes...maybe more..but
my stareing didnt help. The Oil temp would not change. another couple
of minutes and I am back in the pattern at homeplate. Landed uneventfully and
taxi'd up to my hangar.
Temp still up. Sat there at 2500 rpms for a min or so and no change.
SHut it down. Got out and I see Oil all overt he left gear and step...arghhh..
Pulled off the cowl and it looks like it came from the TOP of the oil tank. Oil
all over the firewall and a puddle on the rim of the tank top. Not able to determine
just where it cam from...maybe either from a leaky overflow hose clamp
or from under the tank cap we are thinking?...the 2 hex fittings on in and out
lines are not really suspect...dry and clean.
By now I have a crowd...I wipe it down and get extra eyes and start it up with
an observer on each side...me in the pit...temp now down to 240....oil pressure
up to 35 , 38 or so. run it up to 3500 and my observers tell me they see nothing...down
around 2400 for a few minutes....temp continueing to drop...but no
leaks.
OK....this is my very first experience with a 912. I am no a novice with engines..they
are my profession...but I know enough to no I can never know enough..
Somebody with 912 experience speculate what the Heck happened!!!!
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Don G.
Central Illinois
Kitfox IV Speedster
Luscombe 8A
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| Subject: | Re: 912 lost some oil??? |
One more thing, oil level check after landing shows oil down to the lower mark
on the stick, when flight began, it was dead in the middle. so, however much that
is is what I lost.
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Don G.
Central Illinois
Kitfox IV Speedster
Luscombe 8A
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| Subject: | Re: 912 lost some oil??? |
Sounds like the Stearman won.
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Luis Rodriguez
Model IV 1200
Rotax 912UL
Flying Weekly
Laurens, SC (34A)
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| Subject: | Re: 912 lost some oil??? |
I can't help it. I just had to laugh at that one....
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[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of wingnut
Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2007 9:58 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: 912 lost some oil???
Sounds like the Stearman won.
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Luis Rodriguez
Model IV 1200
Rotax 912UL
Flying Weekly
Laurens, SC (34A)
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