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1. 04:58 AM - Re: Broken battery Box (Noel Loveys)
2. 05:04 AM - Re: [ Don Usher ] : New Email List Photo Share Available! (Noel Loveys)
3. 05:34 AM - Re: (Barry West)
4. 06:39 AM - Tie Downs (wannafly)
5. 07:28 AM - Re: Re: Nose wheel and weight & balance for Classic IV (Noel Loveys)
6. 09:01 AM - Re: Tie Downs (wingnut)
7. 09:05 AM - Re: Nose wheel and weight & balance for Classic IV (kitfoxmike)
8. 09:30 AM - Tie Downs (fox5flyer)
9. 09:36 AM - Grove landing gear for Model 3/4 (Bob Waldron)
10. 09:44 AM - Re: No Title (skyring)
11. 10:02 AM - Re: Tie Downs (Dennis Golden)
12. 10:06 AM - Re: Grove landing gear for Model 3/4 (kitfoxmike)
13. 12:16 PM - Re: Tie Downs (Jim_and_Lucy Chuk)
14. 12:36 PM - Re: Tie Downs (kitfoxmike)
15. 12:48 PM - Re: (Randy Daughenbaugh)
16. 01:04 PM - Re: Re: Grove landing gear for Model 3/4 (Bob Waldron)
17. 01:41 PM - Re: Grove landing gear for Model 3/4 (Michel Verheughe)
18. 01:57 PM - Re: Tie Downs (Lyle Persels)
19. 01:57 PM - Re: Re: Grove landing gear for Model 3/4 (john oakley)
20. 02:09 PM - Re: Grove landing gear for Model 3/4 (kitfoxmike)
21. 05:30 PM - Re: Grove landing gear for Model 3/4 (eskflyer)
22. 05:48 PM - Re: Re: Grove landing gear for Model 3/4 (john oakley)
23. 06:01 PM - Re: Re: Grove landing gear for Model 3/4 (Noel Loveys)
24. 07:12 PM - Off Topic: Todays flight (Tom Jones)
25. 07:18 PM - Re: Off Topic: Todays flight (Tom Jones)
26. 07:35 PM - Re: Grove landing gear for Model 3/4 (kitfoxmike)
27. 08:39 PM - Re: Re: Off Topic: Todays flight (john oakley)
28. 09:10 PM - Re: Re: Grove landing gear for Model 3/4 (Bob Waldron)
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| Subject: | Broken battery Box |
Especially when the flex is with the grain of the metal!
Noel Loveys, RPP, AME intern
Campbellton, Newfoundland,
Canada
Kitfox Mod III-A, 582, B box, Ivo IFA
Aerocet 1100s
<mailto:noelloveys@yahoo.ca> noelloveys@yahoo.ca
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of A Smith
> Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2007 1:01 AM
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Broken battery Box
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>
>
> I am no engineer, but the damage looks like it was caused by
> flex. The same
> for the clamps. The long bolts will let the weight move the
> box mounts. Ever
> so slightly. Resulting in cracks and then failure. Brackets
> should be bolted
> right to the tubes. Even if that means runing vertical angle
> to bolt the box
> onto. Just my thoughts.
> Albert Smith
> MudLake, Idaho
> 5TD NSI turbo ,CAP
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| Subject: | [ Don Usher ] : New Email List Photo Share Available! |
Amazing!
85 mph hauling what must be the draggiest floats in the world.
I doubt I'll hold that kind of speed with my Areocets. Not with a
calibrated ASI any way.
Noel Loveys, RPP, AME intern
Campbellton, Newfoundland,
Canada
Kitfox Mod III-A, 582, B box, Ivo IFA
Aerocet 1100s
<mailto:noelloveys@yahoo.ca> noelloveys@yahoo.ca
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Randy and all, the temperature difference was a matter of feel, but one
was very obviously colder than the other.
Barry
----- Original Message -----
From: Randy Daughenbaugh
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, June 25, 2007 11:57 AM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List:
Barry,
I don't understand what you mean by carburetor temperature. Where do
you measure it?
I like Rick's suggestion. It maybe that one float valve was better
able to contain the pressure than the other when there seemed to be a
difference from one side to the other.
Randy Daughenbaugh, N10NH
Black Hills of South Dakota, - Near Mount Rushmore
Home Strip, Grass Room in Hangar for visitors
Series 5/7 (7 Firewall Forward) 912S, Warp Drive Taper Tip
Gross Weight 1320 lbs, Flying since November 2004
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From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Barry West
Sent: Monday, June 25, 2007 8:37 AM
To: Kitfox List
Subject: Kitfox-List:
Engine Running Rough
In January, 2007 my Kitfox IV with a 912 S engine threw all three
blades of my GSC propeller. There was one big "bump," the engine
stopped and I landed without incidence. Observation of the engine
revealed that both carburetors came off and the engine mount was
damaged. I sent the gearbox to Lockwood and performed a runout test on
the crankshaft with no damage either indicated. After installing a new
propeller and engine mount, the engine ran fine for about 12 hours of
local flights.
Then, Saturday before last, June 16, during a Young Eagles rally, the
engine started running rough. It would idle smooth but became very
rough at about 3000 rpm. I suspected a kinked fuel line, removed the
fire shield, saw nothing, and replaced it. Then it ran smooth and I
flew it a few times with no problem. The next day I flew it about an
hour with no problem. Last Friday, June 22, I started it and it was
rough again at about 3000 rpm - I mean really rough and would not run at
a higher rpm. In both of these situations the right carburetor was
considerably cooler than the left.
At this point, I thought it appropriate to run a compression check but
when I removed the first spark plug I saw it was heavily coated with
soot. I removed all the plugs and they all were the same way. Then I
opened both carburetors, top and bottom, but could see nothing that
would cause the mixture to be rich. These plugs only had about 25 hours
on them. I installed a set of old but clean plugs and put the
carburetors back together, started the engine and this time it went to
about 4000 rpm before cutting out and running rough. Now the
carburetors are both about the same temperature. I removed the top
plugs and the ones on the left side were clean and the ones on the right
side were covered with soot.
What to do? I tend to believe the shock of losing the propeller
blades caused some kind of problem with the carburetors.
Barry West
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Was wondering if anyone has info on Airtime Mfg. I ordered their titanium tie downs
back on May 11 and have gotten no response since. I sent my money thru paypal
and have been e-mailing them but no one seems to be there. Anyone with a
phone number? I have only been in contact with their e-mail but now that has
stopped as well.....ideas???
Mic Thiessen
Fox IV Speedster
C-FOXX
Subaru EA81
Canada
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| Subject: | Re: Nose wheel and weight & balance for Classic IV |
I also do a post flight inspection. That's when the niggling little
things
I noticed during the flight are still fresh in my mind. Inspections are
a
great way to avoid problems, legal and otherwise.
A description of exactly which W&B report is in effect has to be entered
into the journey log for the airplane before it is allowed to fly with a
new
configuration.
The running joke around here is when the paperwork is approximately
equal to
the weight of the plane it MAY be allowed to fly! My kitfox, flying, is
almost there :-)
Noel Loveys, RPP, AME intern
Campbellton, Newfoundland,
Canada
Kitfox Mod III-A, 582, B box, Ivo IFA
Aerocet 1100s
<mailto:noelloveys@yahoo.ca> noelloveys@yahoo.ca
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-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Mike
Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2007 9:51 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Nose wheel and weight & balance for
Classic IV
Noel,
As a practical matter, we do basically the same thing. For various
configurations, we have weight and balance info. This info is always
reviewed pre-flight to make sure that we have the flight configuration
and
the weight and balance in sync. Also, we have the weight and balance
data
with us as soon as the aircraft is rolled out of the hangar, in the
event of
a ramp check. Again, all data needs to be logged, and checked
pre-flight to
insure safety. An airplane that is out of weight and balance limits is
not
safe to fly. In my mind this is one of the most basic things a pilot
can do
to ensure a safe flight, along with the rest of the pre-fight checklist.
Mike
mclayton@rochester.rr.com
Mobile: 585-737-5506
8 Adams Trail
Spencerport, NY 14559
N16AF (KF II Rebuild in Progress)
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You can enter a complaint through paypal and they will contact the seller on your
behalf. If they still have not responded after some mandatory waiting period,
you can escalate. I believe they will eventually go as far as freezing the
sellers account. It's amazing how much quicker people will respond.
--------
Luis Rodriguez
Model IV 1200
Rotax 912UL
Flying Weekly
Laurens, SC (34A)
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| Subject: | Re: Nose wheel and weight & balance for Classic IV |
I do also, it's called check the oil time. Of course I generally do all the inspection
of the airplane at this time, nothing worse than finding something needing
attention just before a flight [Crying or Very sad]
--------
kitfoxmike
model IV, 1200
speedster
912ul
building
RV7a
slowbuild wings, fuse, finish kit
"if you're not getting razzed from pilots or the FAA then you're not flying
enough"
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Sorry about your problem Mic and thanks for sharing this with us. I was
thinking about ordering a set myself, but I've suddenly lost interest.
Since you paid thru Paypal, it's a good thing because you have recourse. Go
to the Paypal site for the next step.
Good luck.
Deke
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----- Original Message -----
From: "wannafly" <wannaflyfox4@hotmail.com>
Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2007 8:38 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Tie Downs
>
> Was wondering if anyone has info on Airtime Mfg. I ordered their titanium
tie downs back on May 11 and have gotten no response since. I sent my money
thru paypal and have been e-mailing them but no one seems to be there.
Anyone with a phone number? I have only been in contact with their e-mail
but now that has stopped as well.....ideas???
>
> Mic Thiessen
> Fox IV Speedster
> C-FOXX
> Subaru EA81
> Canada
>
> do not archive
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
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> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=120704#120704
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| Subject: | Grove landing gear for Model 3/4 |
Hi,
I'm new to this list.
Anyone have experience with replacing the Kitfox Model 3/4 landing gear with
the one piece aluminum Grove gear?
Thanks,
Bob
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Barry I offer this information with reservation because I am not a Rotax expert.
Like you I would be linking the problem to the trauma the engine underwent with
the blades departing but the symptoms you describe sound like the problem
we were experiencing for months and have only recently solved.
The Rotax 912ULS would run up to about 70% power and then start to run rough and
not go any further. This was completely intermittent and unpredictable. Some
times full power some times not. It was a new motor.
In the end a strip down of the carburettors and a very close inspection found three
tiny pieces of metal, possibly pieces of thread, in the sub chamber under
the needle at the bottom of the main float chamber. I'm describing this from
someone elses description because I didn't see it myself. Apparently, occasionally
one of these tiny bits would get under the needle. The Rotax now runs fine
and we are getting on with the testing.
I stess this is just our experience and may have nothing to do with your problem
but the symptoms you describe sound similar to ours.
Kerry.
Kitfox builders helper. S5 Outback 912 ULS.
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fox5flyer wrote:
>
> Sorry about your problem Mic and thanks for sharing this with us. I was
> thinking about ordering a set myself, but I've suddenly lost interest.
> Since you paid thru Paypal, it's a good thing because you have recourse. Go
> to the Paypal site for the next step.
> Good luck.
> Deke
> do not archive
<snip>
>>
>> Was wondering if anyone has info on Airtime Mfg. I ordered their titanium
> tie downs back on May 11 and have gotten no response since. I sent my money
> thru paypal and have been e-mailing them but no one seems to be there.
> Anyone with a phone number? I have only been in contact with their e-mail
> but now that has stopped as well.....ideas???
>> Mic Thiessen
>> Fox IV Speedster
>> C-FOXX
>> Subaru EA81
>> Canada
I just checked and there web site is still active, so someone must still
be paying the bills. Here is the information from the whois database:
Registrant:
Airtime Manufacturing
29091 Sheephead Rd
Brownsville, OR 97327
US
Domain Name: AIRTIMEMFG.COM
Administrative Contact:
Simpson, Randy airtime@PROAXIS.COM
Airtime Manufacturing
PO BOX 127
ALBANY, OR 97321-0038
US
(541) 967-9000 x710 fax: 999 999 9999
Technical Contact:
Hostmaster, Proaxis hostmaster@PROAXIS.COM
Infinity Internet
1101 S.E. Tech Center Drive, #150
VANCOUVER, WA 98683
US
360-735-3700 fax: 360-254-3898
Record expires on 30-Jan-2008.
Record created on 29-Jan-1998.
Database last updated on 26-Jun-2007 12:57:53 EDT.
Domain servers in listed order:
NS.PROAXIS.COM
NS2.PROAXIS.COM
Dennis
--
Dennis Golden
Golden Consulting Services, Inc.
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| Subject: | Re: Grove landing gear for Model 3/4 |
YUP
--------
kitfoxmike
model IV, 1200
speedster
912ul
building
RV7a
slowbuild wings, fuse, finish kit
"if you're not getting razzed from pilots or the FAA then you're not flying
enough"
Do not archive
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I've never heard anything bad about Randy, just good things. I do know that
he is prone to takeing month long trips with his ultralight. Maybe he is
not home and no one else is minding the store. thanks, Jim Chuk Avid MK
IV Chisholm Mn
>From: Dennis Golden <dgolden@golden-consulting.com>
>To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Tie Downs
>Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2007 12:01:48 -0500
>
><dgolden@golden-consulting.com>
>
>fox5flyer wrote:
> >
> > Sorry about your problem Mic and thanks for sharing this with us. I was
> > thinking about ordering a set myself, but I've suddenly lost interest.
> > Since you paid thru Paypal, it's a good thing because you have recourse.
> Go
> > to the Paypal site for the next step.
> > Good luck.
> > Deke
> > do not archive
>
><snip>
>
><wannaflyfox4@hotmail.com>
> >>
> >> Was wondering if anyone has info on Airtime Mfg. I ordered their
>titanium
> > tie downs back on May 11 and have gotten no response since. I sent my
>money
> > thru paypal and have been e-mailing them but no one seems to be there.
> > Anyone with a phone number? I have only been in contact with their
>e-mail
> > but now that has stopped as well.....ideas???
> >> Mic Thiessen
> >> Fox IV Speedster
> >> C-FOXX
> >> Subaru EA81
> >> Canada
>
>I just checked and there web site is still active, so someone must still
>be paying the bills. Here is the information from the whois database:
>
>Registrant:
>Airtime Manufacturing
> 29091 Sheephead Rd
> Brownsville, OR 97327
> US
>
> Domain Name: AIRTIMEMFG.COM
>
> Administrative Contact:
> Simpson, Randy airtime@PROAXIS.COM
> Airtime Manufacturing
> PO BOX 127
> ALBANY, OR 97321-0038
> US
> (541) 967-9000 x710 fax: 999 999 9999
>
> Technical Contact:
> Hostmaster, Proaxis hostmaster@PROAXIS.COM
> Infinity Internet
> 1101 S.E. Tech Center Drive, #150
> VANCOUVER, WA 98683
> US
> 360-735-3700 fax: 360-254-3898
>
> Record expires on 30-Jan-2008.
> Record created on 29-Jan-1998.
> Database last updated on 26-Jun-2007 12:57:53 EDT.
>
> Domain servers in listed order:
>
> NS.PROAXIS.COM
> NS2.PROAXIS.COM
>
>Dennis
>--
>Dennis Golden
>Golden Consulting Services, Inc.
>
>
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Let me ask you this, have you called and asked?
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kitfoxmike
model IV, 1200
speedster
912ul
building
RV7a
slowbuild wings, fuse, finish kit
"if you're not getting razzed from pilots or the FAA then you're not flying
enough"
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Barry,
I see. I may be late figuring out what everyone else already has, but..
It must be that the carbs are cold due to lots of gasoline being evaporated.
This is how icing is caused. And another symptom of "way too rich"!
Can you report back when fixed? I am looking forward to hearing that your
engine is running great again.
Randy
.
_____
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Barry West
Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2007 6:37 AM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List:
Randy and all, the temperature difference was a matter of feel, but one was
very obviously colder than the other.
Barry
----- Original Message -----
From: Randy <mailto:rjdaugh@rapidnet.com> Daughenbaugh
Sent: Monday, June 25, 2007 11:57 AM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List:
Barry,
I don't understand what you mean by carburetor temperature. Where do you
measure it?
I like Rick's suggestion. It maybe that one float valve was better able to
contain the pressure than the other when there seemed to be a difference
from one side to the other.
Randy Daughenbaugh, N10NH
Black Hills of South Dakota, - Near Mount Rushmore
Home Strip, Grass Room in Hangar for visitors
Series 5/7 (7 Firewall Forward) 912S, Warp Drive Taper Tip
Gross Weight 1320 lbs, Flying since November 2004
_____
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Barry West
Sent: Monday, June 25, 2007 8:37 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List:
Engine Running Rough
In January, 2007 my Kitfox IV with a 912 S engine threw all three blades of
my GSC propeller. There was one big "bump," the engine stopped and I landed
without incidence. Observation of the engine revealed that both carburetors
came off and the engine mount was damaged. I sent the gearbox to Lockwood
and performed a runout test on the crankshaft with no damage either
indicated. After installing a new propeller and engine mount, the engine
ran fine for about 12 hours of local flights.
Then, Saturday before last, June 16, during a Young Eagles rally, the engine
started running rough. It would idle smooth but became very rough at about
3000 rpm. I suspected a kinked fuel line, removed the fire shield, saw
nothing, and replaced it. Then it ran smooth and I flew it a few times with
no problem. The next day I flew it about an hour with no problem. Last
Friday, June 22, I started it and it was rough again at about 3000 rpm - I
mean really rough and would not run at a higher rpm. In both of these
situations the right carburetor was considerably cooler than the left.
At this point, I thought it appropriate to run a compression check but when
I removed the first spark plug I saw it was heavily coated with soot. I
removed all the plugs and they all were the same way. Then I opened both
carburetors, top and bottom, but could see nothing that would cause the
mixture to be rich. These plugs only had about 25 hours on them. I
installed a set of old but clean plugs and put the carburetors back
together, started the engine and this time it went to about 4000 rpm before
cutting out and running rough. Now the carburetors are both about the same
temperature. I removed the top plugs and the ones on the left side were
clean and the ones on the right side were covered with soot.
What to do? I tend to believe the shock of losing the propeller blades
caused some kind of problem with the carburetors.
Barry West
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| Subject: | Re: Grove landing gear for Model 3/4 |
Any detailed photos? Any CG or GW change?
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of kitfoxmike
Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2007 11:06 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Grove landing gear for Model 3/4
YUP
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kitfoxmike
model IV, 1200
speedster
912ul
building
RV7a
slowbuild wings, fuse, finish kit
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| Subject: | Re: Grove landing gear for Model 3/4 |
On Jun 26, 2007, at 6:35 PM, Bob Waldron wrote:
> Anyone have experience with replacing the Kitfox Model 3/4 landing
> gear with
> the one piece aluminum Grove gear?
Many of us have the Grove gear, Bob. I have a model 3 with the tube
gear but if I had to change, the Grove would be on my wish list. It is
stronger, wider thus less prone to ground loop, as I have been told.
Cheers,
Michel Verheughe
Norway
Kitfox 3 - Jabiru 2200
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Mic,
I did the same thing in July of 06. I ordered the titanium tie downs
to have for Oshkosh last year and didn't receive them. I sent a
couple of e-mails and received no response. Then I just gave up.
Since they're continuing to advertise, this looks like fraud to me.
Lyle Persels
KF-IV
N23PK
Rotax 912 ULS
Iowa
On 06 26, 07, at 8:38 AM, wannafly wrote:
> <wannaflyfox4@hotmail.com>
>
> Was wondering if anyone has info on Airtime Mfg. I ordered their
> titanium tie downs back on May 11 and have gotten no response
> since. I sent my money thru paypal and have been e-mailing them
> but no one seems to be there. Anyone with a phone number? I have
> only been in contact with their e-mail but now that has stopped as
> well.....ideas???
>
> Mic Thiessen
> Fox IV Speedster
> C-FOXX
> Subaru EA81
> Canada
>
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| Subject: | Re: Grove landing gear for Model 3/4 |
Bob,
I can send you detailed pictures. I changed mine before flight so I do not
know the cg changes. I can tell you they are about 20 lb gain, but worth it.
John Oakley
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bob Waldron
Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2007 2:04 PM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re: Grove landing gear for Model 3/4
Any detailed photos? Any CG or GW change?
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of kitfoxmike
Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2007 11:06 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Grove landing gear for Model 3/4
YUP
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| Subject: | Re: Grove landing gear for Model 3/4 |
lets see here, any cg change, yup. better weigh it afterwards. I rebuilt the
whole plane a couple years back. started out as a long wing, weighed in at 600
lbs. short wing, new horizontal with ribs and an electric trim installed, new
fabric with med, paint, and of course the Grove gear. When done, it weighed
in at 650. flies great, never would know the extra weight was there. It is
nice on handleing on the ground, a little shake in the wheels if I let it role
to fast on take off. I need to switch my tires, I see cord now, been 4 years
5000 landings or close to that and about 700 hrs. I guess it is time. THe
only issue was the front mounts, used for floats were just a little out, but easy
to fix. Put the brackets on first and then stuff the gear on after the brackets
are fitted. piece of cake. What happens with the grove gear is that you
end up with a little more forward on the wheels and you get a longer front
to back so it' not so touchy on ground looping. I haven't even come close to
that problem at any time. I did find that it took a little getting use to for
doing the quick 180 turn, left is easy, a little more difficult to the right,
but I think that's more the matco brakes.
--------
kitfoxmike
model IV, 1200
speedster
912ul
building
RV7a
slowbuild wings, fuse, finish kit
"if you're not getting razzed from pilots or the FAA then you're not flying
enough"
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| Subject: | Re: Grove landing gear for Model 3/4 |
In my Opinion ther is not one darn thing wrong with the tube bungee gear except
for the people who do not understand them , and just want to get wider heavier
gear and are not so quick on there feet to control the airplane . I have gone
to the AVID wide gear bungee because of a gear failure on the mod 2 and Kitfox
said they did not have the jig to build me more gear . Would I myself change
to the heavy Grove gear . Nope not in this lifetime . Way to much money for
a hunk of weight .
Ok hammer me slow feet people
JK
--------
FLY FUN FLY LOW FLY SLOW
John Perry
Kitfox 2 N718PD
582 cbox 2:62-1 IVO IFA
WHEELS Northair Floats
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| Subject: | Re: Grove landing gear for Model 3/4 |
John Perry,
I have tried but can't for the life of me find a listing for Northair
floats, is there really a float of this name?
John Oakley
Looking for new floats (amphibs)
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of eskflyer
Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2007 6:30 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Grove landing gear for Model 3/4
In my Opinion ther is not one darn thing wrong with the tube bungee gear
except for the people who do not understand them , and just want to get
wider heavier gear and are not so quick on there feet to control the
airplane . I have gone to the AVID wide gear bungee because of a gear
failure on the mod 2 and Kitfox said they did not have the jig to build me
more gear . Would I myself change to the heavy Grove gear . Nope not in this
lifetime . Way to much money for a hunk of weight .
Ok hammer me slow feet people
JK
--------
FLY FUN FLY LOW FLY SLOW
John Perry
Kitfox 2 N718PD
582 cbox 2:62-1 IVO IFA
WHEELS Northair Floats
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| Subject: | Re: Grove landing gear for Model 3/4 |
There are a bunch of clips up on U-Tube put there by Dave Fisher....
Haven't
seen him around since the signature thingy.... All on either floats or
tube
gear. Some great ones on the kingfox tires. Hard to tell if he has a
plane
or a motocross bike!
Noel Loveys, RPP, AME intern
Campbellton, Newfoundland,
Canada
Kitfox Mod III-A, 582, B box, Ivo IFA
Aerocet 1100s
<mailto:noelloveys@yahoo.ca> noelloveys@yahoo.ca
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of eskflyer
> Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2007 10:00 PM
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Grove landing gear for Model 3/4
>
>
>
> In my Opinion ther is not one darn thing wrong with the tube
> bungee gear except for the people who do not understand them
> , and just want to get wider heavier gear and are not so
> quick on there feet to control the airplane . I have gone to
> the AVID wide gear bungee because of a gear failure on the
> mod 2 and Kitfox said they did not have the jig to build me
> more gear . Would I myself change to the heavy Grove gear .
> Nope not in this lifetime . Way to much money for a hunk of weight .
>
> Ok hammer me slow feet people
> JK
>
> --------
> FLY FUN FLY LOW FLY SLOW
> John Perry
> Kitfox 2 N718PD
> 582 cbox 2:62-1 IVO IFA
> WHEELS Northair Floats
>
>
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| Subject: | Off Topic: Todays flight |
I am at the halw way point through phase one so rewarded myself with a flight around
the Kittitas valley this morning.
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Tom Jones
Classic IV, Phase one
503 Rotax, 72 inch Two blade Warp
Ellensburg, WA
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| Subject: | Re: Off Topic: Todays flight |
A couple more pictures.
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Tom Jones
Classic IV, Phase one
503 Rotax, 72 inch Two blade Warp
Ellensburg, WA
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| Subject: | Re: Grove landing gear for Model 3/4 |
Yup, this thread started a bungee war. Just like tail wheel vs. nose , primer
versus not. Jeesh. Lets just get past it and give him what he wants for information.
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kitfoxmike
model IV, 1200
speedster
912ul
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| Subject: | Re: Off Topic: Todays flight |
Looks like a great place to fly, you are lucky.
John Oakley
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[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tom Jones
Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2007 8:18 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Off Topic: Todays flight
A couple more pictures.
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Tom Jones
Classic IV, Phase one
503 Rotax, 72 inch Two blade Warp
Ellensburg, WA
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| Subject: | Re: Grove landing gear for Model 3/4 |
I really looked at the gear brackets today and realize it's pretty straight
forward. I thought you had to get under the floorboard but it just bolts on
the bottom. The Grove brackets don't quite fit between the front float
mount and the front gear mount. A little bit on the grinder will fix that.
I will need to reroute the brake lines as this gear has been drilled out for
the brake fittings.
-Bob
Kitfox III
N1060U
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of kitfoxmike
Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2007 3:09 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Grove landing gear for Model 3/4
lets see here, any cg change, yup. better weigh it afterwards. I rebuilt
the whole plane a couple years back. started out as a long wing, weighed in
at 600 lbs. short wing, new horizontal with ribs and an electric trim
installed, new fabric with med, paint, and of course the Grove gear. When
done, it weighed in at 650. flies great, never would know the extra weight
was there. It is nice on handleing on the ground, a little shake in the
wheels if I let it role to fast on take off. I need to switch my tires, I
see cord now, been 4 years 5000 landings or close to that and about 700 hrs.
I guess it is time. THe only issue was the front mounts, used for floats
were just a little out, but easy to fix. Put the brackets on first and then
stuff the gear on after the brackets are fitted. piece of cake. What
happens with the grove gear is that you end up with a little more forward on
the wheels and you get a longer front to back so it' not so touchy on ground
looping. I h!
aven't even come close to that problem at any time. I did find that it
took a little getting use to for doing the quick 180 turn, left is easy, a
little more difficult to the right, but I think that's more the matco
brakes.
--------
kitfoxmike
model IV, 1200
speedster
912ul
building
RV7a
slowbuild wings, fuse, finish kit
"if you're not getting razzed from pilots or the FAA then you're not
flying enough"
Do not archive
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