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1. 06:02 AM - =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:__What_are_the_differences_between_a_Model_?= =?iso-8859-1?Q?IV_1050_and_Model_1200_Kitfox-_=3F? (Marwynne Kuhn)
2. 06:28 AM - Re: Wheel balancing (kitfoxmike)
3. 09:41 AM - Re: EGT mal function (Noel Loveys)
4. 10:03 AM - Re: KITFOX PARTS AND OTHER AIRCRAFT PARTS FOR SALE UPDATE: (Todd Leiss)
5. 10:23 AM - Re: Wheel balancing (kitfoxmike)
6. 10:48 AM - Re: Re: Wheel balancing (Bob Waldron)
7. 11:49 AM - Re: Wheel balancing (kitfoxmike)
8. 01:03 PM - Pre Cover and Finish Thoughts? (Andy Fultz)
9. 01:25 PM - Re: EGT mal function (Lowell Fitt)
10. 01:57 PM - Re: Pre Cover and Finish Thoughts? (Bob Waldron)
11. 02:32 PM - Re: Pre Cover and Finish Thoughts? (akflyer)
12. 04:21 PM - Re: Pre Cover and Finish Thoughts? (Don Smythe)
13. 05:00 PM - Re: Re: Pre Cover and Finish Thoughts? (Lynn Matteson)
14. 06:58 PM - Re: Pre Cover and Finish Thoughts? (Noel Loveys)
15. 07:20 PM - Re: Pre Cover and Finish Thoughts? (Noel Loveys)
16. 07:31 PM - Re: Re: Pre Cover and Finish Thoughts? (Noel Loveys)
17. 10:35 PM - Low-time Rotax 912S for Sale (Michael Gibbs)
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| Subject: | Re: iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_Kitfox-List:_What_are_the_differences_between_a_Model_?= |
=?iso-8859-1?Q?IV_1050_and_Model_1200_Kitfox-_=3F?
Thanks I will look in the archives.
----- Original Message -----
From: KFN102LG@aol.com
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2007 8:32 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: What are the differences between a Model IV
1050 and Model 1200 Kitfox ?
I believe there are more and/or larger diameter tubing in the overhead
area of the fuselage in addition to the reinforcements in the wing. Be
careful to consider all the differences before you increase the gross
weight. I remember seeing someone post a detailed list of the
difference between models, try the archives.
Larry
Model 4/1200/912
RV6/O360
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| Subject: | Re: Wheel balancing |
I finally put my new Kingfox tires on yesterday. I took the wheels to a motorcylce
shop and let them put them on with doing a balance as well. I have to say
It turned out great. No more shimmy on take off, I ran them to 60mph before
lift off and no vibration, nice and smooth. I came in for a landing and the
tires worked just great on asphalt. Very happy :D
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kitfoxmike
model IV, 1200
speedster
912ul
building
RV7a
slowbuild wings, fuse, finish kit
"if you're not getting razzed from pilots or the FAA then you're not flying
enough"
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| Subject: | EGT mal function |
Let's see... Westach, eh.(just practicing 2 days from Canada day) Isn't
that the company that manufactured the great tachometers that everyone
has
been having problems with?? The harness with my EGTs (Westach) were
long
enough to require some shortening. It could have been a problem if I
had a
pusher style plane. The units are of such high calibre that a quarter
turn
of one of the probes corrected a 40 degree mismatch in EGT readings.
Never the less if you want to avoid problems, do it right. If that
means
getting the correct wire (chromel/alumel) to connect the instrument so
be
it.
There is a strong point to be made that even a poor EGT is preferable to
none. Let's face it we are only looking for temperature trends at this
level. When an uncalibrated, uncompensated instrument featuring several
additional hot junctions of unknown value and a harness resistance of un
known value reads 950F are you really willing to accept that until you
check
your plugs and verify that in fact it's probably closed to 1100F.
I stand by my experience and training in this particular topic.
Noel Loveys, RPP, AME intern
Campbellton, Newfoundland,
Canada
Kitfox Mod III-A, 582, B box, Ivo IFA
Aerocet 1100s
<mailto:noelloveys@yahoo.ca> noelloveys@yahoo.ca
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
> Jim_and_Lucy Chuk
> Sent: Friday, June 29, 2007 2:08 AM
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: EGT mal function
>
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> <thesupe@hotmail.com>
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> I believe that in the directions that come with the gauge,
> there is a number
> (resistance?) you should be able to read on an electrical
> meter between the
> black and white wire on the thermocouple if it is working
> correctly. I just
> looked at an instruction sheet for a Westach gauge. They call the
> "extention cord" I refered to a patch cable. This is what
> they say: Patch
> cable may be shortened or lengthened up to 20 feet without affecting
> accurity of unit. Useing 20-22 gauge stranded wire is
> recommended. Thanks,
> Jim Chuk Avid MK IV
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> >From: "Noel Loveys" <noelloveys@yahoo.ca>
> >To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> >Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: EGT mal function
> >Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2007 01:15:00 -0230
> >
> >You can also test the output of the thermocouples at relatively low
> >temperatures by putting the tips of the probes in boiling
> water ( just
> >below
> >212 F for most people) or in the flame of a butane lighter
> which should be
> >above 500F... just make sure you test both probes at the
> same time. and get
> >the same readings.
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> >Noel Loveys, RPP, AME intern
> >Campbellton, Newfoundland,
> >Canada
> >Kitfox Mod III-A, 582, B box, Ivo IFA
> >Aerocet 1100s
> > <mailto:noelloveys@yahoo.ca> noelloveys@yahoo.ca
> >
> >
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> > > [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
> > > Michel Verheughe
> > > Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2007 7:14 PM
> > > To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> > > Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: EGT mal function
> > >
> > >
> <michel@online.no>
> > >
> > > On Jun 28, 2007, at 10:29 PM, michel dierick wrote:
> > > > I'll put tape around to avoid shortcuts and check the
> connection.
> > >
> > > You received some very good advices from the people on this list,
> > > Michel. Try them and maybe switch the two thermocouplers
> as advised
> > > first. Incidentally, it is a good way to check how they
> work. You'll
> > > always see one cooler than the other. To check if it is
> the gauge or
> > > the real temperature, you swap them and see how it works
> then. Good
> > > luck.
> > >
> > > For the rest, I have sent you a direct email in French.
> We will not
> > > bother our English speaking friends and force them to use
> Babelfish!
> > > :-)
> > >
> > > Greetings from Norway where we also have perfect glider
> weather. (due
> > > to prevailing winds, whatever weather is over Belgium, it
> > > will be over
> > > Norway 24 hours later! )
> > >
> > > Michel Verheughe
> > > Norway
> > > Kitfox 3 - Jabiru 2200
> > >
> > > do not archive
> > >
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| Subject: | KITFOX PARTS AND OTHER AIRCRAFT PARTS FOR SALE UPDATE: |
Rick,
I'm looking to Upgrade my Model IV speedster from right side only brakes to
duel. Can you sen a photo of the Rudder pedals you have? Are the brake
cylinders available?
All the Best,
Todd Leiss
> [Original Message]
> From: Rick <wingsdown@verizon.net>
> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Date: 6/7/2007 4:58:14 PM
> Subject: Kitfox-List: KITFOX PARTS AND OTHER AIRCRAFT PARTS FOR SALE
UPDATE:
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> smaller place.
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> KITFOX PARTS AND OTHER AIRCRAFT PARTS FOR SALE UPDATE: 02/06/07
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> Custom air oil separators (as seen on sportflight pic post) $150.00
> each......................both for 250
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> CAP 140 complete hub assembly for NSI redrive, may fit others, no blades
> $1,500 OBO.............
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> E.I digital EGT instrument, no probe $180 each or both for
> $300.00....................
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> Hand held radio Yaesu VXA-200. This was there top of the line model and
> should be compared to same now, has altitude,density altitude,pressure
> alt. Temp, VOR heading plus extra Nmhi battery and programming software
> and cable, list was over $600.00 sell for $350.00....................
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> Electric clock model MD-90 $60.00.....................
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> Electric servo/ jack screw assembly $500.00 OBO..................
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> Wheel pant left side only painted ready to mount or repaint
> $50.00............
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> VDO gages:
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> 2 1/8 tack , water temp,oil pressure, boost, large RPM 3 1/8 maybe 1/4,
> EGT make offer..............
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> Horizontal Stabilator faired strut braces pair $100.00.................
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> Custom super trapp exhaust system. Will require the welding of a 3 bolt
> flange to exhaust down pipe. $300.00 Pics on request....................
>
> EA-81 turbo engine parts, blocks, engine mounts left and right, cranks,
> rods, push rods, heads, cams, open price to be set, accepting
> offers................
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> NSI alternator pulley New $60.00.......................
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> SS flight controls all factory parts available in excellent
> condition....................
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> Carbon monoxide by co-guardian. Plugs into lighter socket audible plus
> digital level indicator. They have a web site. $99.00 ...............
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> Airborne vacuum regulator valve model 2H3-23 #9AK FAA PMA list $728.00
> in ACS catalog make offer..................
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> Airborne filter mount with filter best offer.............
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> Mr. Funnel large for water seperation funnel filling of fuel
> $20.00...............
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> Remote PTT $5.00 with other purchse..............
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> Cessna dual vacuume gage with pop up no vac indicators can be used on
> single system PN C668519-0101 $35.00............
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> Tire or tyre front Aero classic 11X4.00-5 8ply with new tube
> $40.00......................
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> Accumulator brusher for NSI CAP
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> Model 5 nose gear bushings and extra set used pivot mounts with bushings
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> E.I. digital EGT gages (2)
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> Flight control mixers and related control linkages parts, rudder pedal
> assemblies ect.
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| Subject: | Re: Wheel balancing |
Just to add a little more on the new tires, I went to the classC today and did
some touches. Why there? they let me do anything I want, that's why. Well anyway
the winds were 250 on runway 21 with 14kts. I was doing my low runway runs
where I would use the 150 ft runway 9000 ft long. I did about 20 touches down
the runway, first I would touch on center line then I would move to the left
and touch on the left side(they have white marks over there, then I would move
to the right a little touch on the center then move to the right and touch
on the white mark on the right, I did this back and forth all the way down the
length of the runway. I tell ya, if you haven't done anything like this, you
aught to. You end up staying just inches off the runway, at airspeeds just
above stall. Way cool and fun, really test your ability to put the plane anywhere
you want to. Broke in the tires real nice. wonder what the tower thought,
oh well they expect things like this from me.
--------
kitfoxmike
model IV, 1200
speedster
912ul
building
RV7a
slowbuild wings, fuse, finish kit
"if you're not getting razzed from pilots or the FAA then you're not flying
enough"
Do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Wheel balancing |
That kind of low pass, touches as you say, is great practice and develops
the skill and coordination you need for control in the landing phase.
Especially true when conditions are unfavorable. I wouldn't try it for the
first time in a x-wind though.
.02
-Bob
Model 3
N1060U
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of kitfoxmike
Sent: Friday, June 29, 2007 11:17 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Wheel balancing
Just to add a little more on the new tires, I went to the classC today and
did some touches. Why there? they let me do anything I want, that's why.
Well anyway the winds were 250 on runway 21 with 14kts. I was doing my low
runway runs where I would use the 150 ft runway 9000 ft long. I did about
20 touches down the runway, first I would touch on center line then I would
move to the left and touch on the left side(they have white marks over
there, then I would move to the right a little touch on the center then move
to the right and touch on the white mark on the right, I did this back and
forth all the way down the length of the runway. I tell ya, if you haven't
done anything like this, you aught to. You end up staying just inches off
the runway, at airspeeds just above stall. Way cool and fun, really test
your ability to put the plane anywhere you want to. Broke in the tires real
nice. wonder what the tower thought, oh well they expect things like this
from me.
--------
kitfoxmike
model IV, 1200
speedster
912ul
building
RV7a
slowbuild wings, fuse, finish kit
"if you're not getting razzed from pilots or the FAA then you're not
flying enough"
Do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Wheel balancing |
I highly agree with that one, I moved myself into extreem landing procedures after
many straight down the runway on calm days. It was extremely cool when I
went back to my home field and landed on the grass. I wanted a landing as short
as possible, problem is on the edge of the approach is a taxi light right in
the middle or close to it on the taxi way off the edge. I came in to land right
on that edge moved a few inches to the right and landed real short, was stopped
within 300ft. way cool. The winds there where 280 at 9 with the runway
21.
I have to say the short wing kitfox 4 is so cool, you don't get much of a cross
effect with the short wing. Today I was pretty much level wing when flying off
the runway. Back when I had it long wing, forget it, you couldn't do that.
--------
kitfoxmike
model IV, 1200
speedster
912ul
building
RV7a
slowbuild wings, fuse, finish kit
"if you're not getting razzed from pilots or the FAA then you're not flying
enough"
Do not archive
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| Subject: | Pre Cover and Finish Thoughts? |
Good afternoon guys. I'm about to embark on what I hope to be the final big
step in the build process. I THINK I'm ready to cover and paint my project.
My question to you is this. Are there any, &(^%(&^%., I wish I had done
that before I covered, items I need to make sure I have done. I can't seem
to think of any more excusses not to go ahead. Just looking for
suggestions. Thanks.
Andy Fultz
AVID Speedwing (Extended)
STRATUS EA-81
Starkville, Mississippi
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| Subject: | Re: EGT mal function |
Nope!
Lowell
----- Original Message -----
From: "Noel Loveys" <noelloveys@yahoo.ca>
Sent: Friday, June 29, 2007 9:38 AM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: EGT mal function
Let's see... Westach, eh.(just practicing 2 days from Canada day) Isn't
that the company that manufactured the great tachometers that everyone has
been having problems with??
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| Subject: | Pre Cover and Finish Thoughts? |
I picked a 3-color paint scheme and that was a ton of work. Doing it again
I'd only use 2 colors. Be prepared that covering and painting is 1/2 to
2/3rds of the total effort to complete a project. It was 2/3rds for me.
-Bob
Kitfox 3
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Andy Fultz
Sent: Friday, June 29, 2007 2:00 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Pre Cover and Finish Thoughts?
Good afternoon guys. I'm about to embark on what I hope to be the final big
step in the build process. I THINK I'm ready to cover and paint my project.
My question to you is this. Are there any, &(^%(&^%., I wish I had done
that before I covered, items I need to make sure I have done. I can't seem
to think of any more excusses not to go ahead. Just looking for
suggestions. Thanks.
Andy Fultz
AVID Speedwing (Extended)
STRATUS EA-81
Starkville, Mississippi
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| Subject: | Re: Pre Cover and Finish Thoughts? |
I covered the fuse and tail feathers in a long day including the pinked tapes,
one more for spraying up to top coat and one day for top coat One wing took a
day to complete up to the tapes (included ribstitching) and the first coat of
poly brush. the next day was two more coats polybrush sprayed on, 3 coats silver
and two coats polytone.. All depends on how complex a paint scheme you are
going with. You can spend alot of time masking at various stages. Another
thing to consider. I see alot of guys loading the paint on tillthe weave of the
fabric can no longer be seen. This adds ALOT of extra weight and is not needed.
If you want a super smooth shiny finish, it was a bad choise to go with
a rag covered plane..Just my .02 and you get what you pay for..
--------
Leonard Perry
Soldotna AK
Avid "C" / Mk IV
582 IVO IFA
Full Lotus 1260
95% complete
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| Subject: | Re: Pre Cover and Finish Thoughts? |
I would choose a bright white color for the entire aircraft and use other
colors for accent stripes etc. A dark color Poly Fiber fabric "can" shrink
during hot outside temps. Been there and done that.
Don Smythe
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| Subject: | Re: Pre Cover and Finish Thoughts? |
I went the other way...a little too stingy with the polytone paint
(or maybe because it was 12 year-old paint) and the edges of my plane
are starting to fade.
My advice is to give it a little more paint and eat a few less pounds
of food...you'll be healthier and the plane will look better...but
like Leonard says, not to excess.
Lynn Matteson
Grass Lake, Michigan
Kitfox IV Speedster w/Jabiru 2200
flying w/350+ hrs
On Jun 29, 2007, at 5:31 PM, akflyer wrote:
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> I covered the fuse and tail feathers in a long day including the
> pinked tapes, one more for spraying up to top coat and one day for
> top coat One wing took a day to complete up to the tapes (included
> ribstitching) and the first coat of poly brush. the next day was
> two more coats polybrush sprayed on, 3 coats silver and two coats
> polytone.. All depends on how complex a paint scheme you are going
> with. You can spend alot of time masking at various stages.
> Another thing to consider. I see alot of guys loading the paint on
> tillthe weave of the fabric can no longer be seen. This adds ALOT
> of extra weight and is not needed. If you want a super smooth
> shiny finish, it was a bad choise to go with a rag covered
> plane..Just my .02 and you get what you pay for..
>
> --------
> Leonard Perry
> Soldotna AK
> Avid "C" / Mk IV
> 582 IVO IFA
> Full Lotus 1260
> 95% complete
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| Subject: | Pre Cover and Finish Thoughts? |
Wiring... It is easier to secure wiring in place before doing the covering.
Make sure all the flight controls are operating properly and then remove
only what has to be removed for covering. If you decided to inhibit your
frame ( the 4130 tubes) the time to do it is before the covering process.
Primary temporary fitting of seats will make the permanent installation
easier if it has been installed then removed before the covering.
All in all, just about anything you can do before the covering process can
be done after only with a lot more four letter 50 cent penalty words.
Noel Loveys, RPP, AME intern
Campbellton, Newfoundland,
Canada
Kitfox Mod III-A, 582, B box, Ivo IFA
Aerocet 1100s
<mailto:noelloveys@yahoo.ca> noelloveys@yahoo.ca
Do not archive
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
> Andy Fultz
> Sent: Friday, June 29, 2007 5:30 PM
> To: Kitfox List; Avid List
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Pre Cover and Finish Thoughts?
>
>
> <andynfultz@bellsouth.net>
>
> Good afternoon guys. I'm about to embark on what I hope to
> be the final big
> step in the build process. I THINK I'm ready to cover and
> paint my project.
> My question to you is this. Are there any, &(^%(&^%., I wish
> I had done
> that before I covered, items I need to make sure I have done.
> I can't seem
> to think of any more excusses not to go ahead. Just looking for
> suggestions. Thanks.
>
> Andy Fultz
> AVID Speedwing (Extended)
> STRATUS EA-81
> Starkville, Mississippi
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Pre Cover and Finish Thoughts? |
You're dead right on that one don... What could be worse if the cloth was
fully shrunk is the possibility of over heating it in the strong sunlight
with dark colours.
Noel
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
> Don Smythe
> Sent: Friday, June 29, 2007 8:50 PM
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Pre Cover and Finish Thoughts?
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> I would choose a bright white color for the entire aircraft
> and use other
> colors for accent stripes etc. A dark color Poly Fiber
> fabric "can" shrink
> during hot outside temps. Been there and done that.
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> Don Smythe
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| Subject: | Re: Pre Cover and Finish Thoughts? |
I can't help to wonder if any one has flown their plane with just the poly
spray... It should reflect the heat of the sun and be lighter than anything
else.
Noel
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
> Lynn Matteson
> Sent: Friday, June 29, 2007 9:31 PM
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Pre Cover and Finish Thoughts?
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> I went the other way...a little too stingy with the polytone paint
> (or maybe because it was 12 year-old paint) and the edges of
> my plane
> are starting to fade.
> My advice is to give it a little more paint and eat a few
> less pounds
> of food...you'll be healthier and the plane will look better...but
> like Leonard says, not to excess.
>
>
> Lynn Matteson
> Grass Lake, Michigan
> Kitfox IV Speedster w/Jabiru 2200
> flying w/350+ hrs
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> On Jun 29, 2007, at 5:31 PM, akflyer wrote:
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> <akflyer_2000@yahoo.com>
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> > I covered the fuse and tail feathers in a long day including the
> > pinked tapes, one more for spraying up to top coat and one day for
> > top coat One wing took a day to complete up to the tapes
> (included
> > ribstitching) and the first coat of poly brush. the next day was
> > two more coats polybrush sprayed on, 3 coats silver and two coats
> > polytone.. All depends on how complex a paint scheme you are going
> > with. You can spend alot of time masking at various stages.
> > Another thing to consider. I see alot of guys loading the
> paint on
> > tillthe weave of the fabric can no longer be seen. This adds ALOT
> > of extra weight and is not needed. If you want a super smooth
> > shiny finish, it was a bad choise to go with a rag covered
> > plane..Just my .02 and you get what you pay for..
> >
> > --------
> > Leonard Perry
> > Soldotna AK
> > Avid "C" / Mk IV
> > 582 IVO IFA
> > Full Lotus 1260
> > 95% complete
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| Subject: | Low-time Rotax 912S for Sale |
Hi,
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978-0553.
His web site also lists several aircraft for sale and at least one
fellow who wants to buy a Kitfox.
Mike G.
Kitfox List Co-Admin
N728KF
Phoenix, AZ
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