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1. 01:41 AM - Re: Kitfox-List Digest: 25 Msgs - 07/04/07 (kent westberg)
2. 04:48 AM - Re: Noise supression (Larry Martin)
3. 06:42 AM - windshield (floran higgins)
4. 07:03 AM - Re: windshield (john oakley)
5. 07:25 AM - Cabin Covers (Tinne maha)
6. 07:34 AM - windshield (Rexster)
7. 07:44 AM - Re: Flaperons question about film color (Don McIntosh)
8. 07:59 AM - Re: Noise supression (Larry Martin)
9. 09:00 AM - Re: windshield (Giovanni Day)
10. 09:41 AM - vertex generators (Bill Flick)
11. 10:32 AM - Re: vertex generators (kitfoxmike)
12. 10:36 AM - Re: windshield (kitfoxmike)
13. 10:39 AM - Re: windshield (Clem Nichols)
14. 11:06 AM - Re: windshield (Rexster)
15. 11:36 AM - Re: Re: windshield (Jim_and_Lucy Chuk)
16. 11:51 AM - Re: windshield (Clem Nichols)
17. 02:50 PM - Re: windshield (Giovanni Day)
18. 03:43 PM - Re: Cabin Covers (jdmcbean)
19. 03:43 PM - Re: windshield (jdmcbean)
20. 04:02 PM - Re: Flaperons (Mdkitfox@AOL.COM)
21. 04:11 PM - Re: Flaperons (Mdkitfox@aol.com)
22. 07:08 PM - Re: wheel penetrating ski (Malcolmbru@aol.com)
23. 07:09 PM - Re: windshield (floran higgins)
24. 07:24 PM - Re: windshield (Giovanni Day)
25. 09:11 PM - Re: Re: Floatplane preflight (kurt schrader)
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| Subject: | Re: Kitfox-List Digest: 25 Msgs - 07/04/07 |
hi kit fox list memberg,, I want to say thanks to all the vets on the list for
all there service, to our country happy 4th of july keep them flying, sgt westberg
in iraq for the past 16 months,, I just got my kitfox 3 from a nice list
meber on ebay, the little bird has broken wings :(( combat camera in the fight
whooah,,
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1. 03:03 AM - Re: Prop for a Jabiru engine (Lynn Matteson)
2. 03:09 AM - Re: Prop for a Jabiru engine (Lynn Matteson)
3. 03:54 AM - off topic...Big Rapids fly-in (fox5flyer)
4. 07:45 AM - Re: Re: Flaperons question about film color (SUE MICHAELS)
5. 08:22 AM - Re: Flaperons question about film color (Tom Jones)
6. 08:41 AM - Re: Re: Flaperons (clemwehner)
7. 09:56 AM - wHEEL PANTS FOR kITFOX vIXEN (kitfoxjim)
8. 10:05 AM - Re: Flaperons (fox5flyer)
9. 10:15 AM - Re: Re: Arlington 2007 (kurt schrader)
10. 10:30 AM - Re: wHEEL PANTS FOR kITFOX vIXEN (Rick)
11. 10:39 AM - Re: Re: Arlington 2007 (Rick)
12. 10:46 AM - Re: Re: Floatplane preflight (kurt schrader)
13. 11:04 AM - Homebuilders wheel with Matco (clemwehner)
14. 11:09 AM - Noise? (RAY Gignac)
15. 11:51 AM - Re: wHEEL PANTS FOR kITFOX vIXEN (kitfoxjim)
16. 11:55 AM - Re: Noise? (Guy Buchanan)
17. 12:19 PM - Re: Homebuilders wheel with Matco (Lowell Fitt)
18. 12:22 PM - Re: off topic...Big Rapids fly-in (Marco Menezes)
19. 12:33 PM - Re: Noise? (Marco Menezes)
20. 02:29 PM - ()
21. 04:01 PM - Re: Noise? (Torgeir Mortensen)
22. 06:37 PM - Re: Re: Floatplane preflight (Noel Loveys)
23. 07:03 PM - Re: Noise? (Noel Loveys)
24. 07:18 PM - Re: (john oakley)
25. 08:34 PM - Re: Noise? (Lowell Fitt)
________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________
Time: 03:03:27 AM PST US
From: Lynn Matteson
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Prop for a Jabiru engine
When I ordered my engine, I told Pete which model plane it was for,
and I was sent a Sensenich W62HJ46....so it's a Wooden 62" dia x 46"
pitch...the H and the J are H=load factor (or something like that)
and the J is for the Jabiru bolt pattern.
Lynn Matteson
Grass Lake, Michigan
Kitfox IV Speedster w/Jabiru 2200
flying w/350+ hrs
do not archive
On Jul 4, 2007, at 12:02 AM, Jim_and_Lucy Chuk wrote:
>
>
> Hi all, I'm about to buy a 2200 Jabiru for my Avid Mk IV and am
> just wondering what people with that engine on their Kitfox are
> useing for a prop. The planes are so much alike, what works on
> one should probably work on the other. Thanks, Jim Chuk Avid MK
> IV Chisholm Mn
>> >
>> >
>>
________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________
Time: 03:09:24 AM PST US
From: Lynn Matteson
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Prop for a Jabiru engine
And like Michel's experience, my prop is not a great climb performer,
but does the cross-country thing well, and handled recent high
density altitudes out west just fine.
Lynn Matteson
Grass Lake, Michigan
Kitfox IV Speedster w/Jabiru 2200
flying w/350+ hrs
do not archive
On Jul 4, 2007, at 2:34 AM, Michel Verheughe wrote:
>> From: Jim_and_Lucy Chuk [thesupe@hotmail.com]
>> Hi all, I'm about to buy a 2200 Jabiru for my Avid Mk IV and am just
>> wondering what people with that engine on their Kitfox are useing
>> for a
>> prop.
>
> Hello Jim, I have a Jabiru 60" by 38" prop on my Jabiru 2200. Why?
> Because I don't know anything about prop and engines and when I
> asked my Jabiru dealer he recommended me that one. Of course, it is
> a wood prop and I have to be careful when it rains. I don't fly
> much when it rains, anyway, but if caught in a drizzle, keep the
> RPM under 2 500 and it should be fine. After 230 hours, the prop is
> still in a near pristine condition. For my Kitfox 3, the prop pitch
> is maybe a tad too coarse; no great climb performance but an
> economical cruise RPM. Not a problem for me since I fly from a long
> asphalt runway.
>
> Cheers,
> Michel Verheughe
> Norway
> Kitfox 3 - Jabiru 2200
>
>
>
>
> List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List
> forums.matronics.com
>
>
________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________
Time: 03:54:31 AM PST US
From: "fox5flyer"
Subject: Kitfox-List: off topic...Big Rapids fly-in
Wish I could join the group and thanks for letting me know, but I have
people coming and much to do to get ready. Have fun.
Deke Morisse
N148DM
S5/Soob/CAP
NE Michigan
"The influence of each human being on others in this life is a kind of
immortality."
-- John Quincy Adams
do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: "Lynn Matteson"
Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2007 8:14 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: off topic...Big Rapids fly-in
>
> Is anybody else going to the ONLY fly-in I could find in Michigan on
> July 4? That's at Big Rapids, Michigan...Roben-Hood (seriously!)
> (RQB), July 4 from 7-11am....Deke, Marco, Rex, John, Lloyd,
> Richard....others?....
>
> Lynn Matteson
> Grass Lake, Michigan
> Kitfox IV Speedster w/Jabiru 2200
> flying w/350+ hrs
> do not archive
>
>
________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________
Time: 07:45:07 AM PST US
From: SUE MICHAELS
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Flaperons question about film color
I'm the third owner of a Kitfox 7, so only god knows where they been. Is this film
clear or colored?? Mine appear to be clear plain aluminum but rubbing my hand
across the finish does not feel right. I have intensely gone over the flaperons
and can't find anything film to lift off.
I stored my flaperons by hanging them on a wall in my shop for about 7-8
years. The side against the wall came off easily. The side exposed to the
room and natural light and artificial light (florescent) was very
difficult to remove. So UV plays a role.
C. David Estapa
Woodstock, Georgia
N97DE S5TD 912ULS Warp Drive
Phase 1 Testing
> > It would be interesting to figure out what causes the film to
> stick to
> > the flaperons, so maybe we could minimize the problem in the
> future.
>
>
>
>
________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________
Time: 08:22:39 AM PST US
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Flaperons question about film color
From: "Tom Jones"
> Is this film clear or colored??
All the plastic I have ever seen on flaperons was white. the aluminum is bright
as a mirror right after the plastic is peeled off. If there was some clear
stuff on them I am sure you would see it easily. Especially on the ends where
it would be peeled up a little. Consider yourself lucky.
--------
Tom Jones
Classic IV, Phase one
503 Rotax, 72 inch Two blade Warp
Ellensburg, WA
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________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________
Time: 08:41:05 AM PST US
From: "clemwehner"
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re: Flaperons
This may be the clue we've been looking for. My flaperons were stored
for 16 years in my garage and the film came off perfectly on both sides.
BUT, mine we're hung on a wall on the dark side of the garage, where
very little light ever hit them. Given David's experience described in
his previous posting, it could very well be that UV light makes the film
brittle, as it does many plastics. The film is very thin and may
deteriorate quickly. Perhaps the answer for long term storage is to wrap
the flaperons with something, or keep them covered so light can't get to
them.
Clem
KF IV, 912
Lawton, OK
I stored my flaperons by hanging them on a wall in my shop for about 7-8
years. The side against the wall came off easily. The side exposed to
the room and natural light and artificial light (florescent) was very
difficult to remove. So UV plays a role.
C. David Estapa
Woodstock, Georgia
N97DE S5TD 912ULS Warp Drive
Phase 1 Testing
> > It would be interesting to figure out what causes the film to
> stick to
> > the flaperons, so maybe we could minimize the problem in the
> future.
>
> Clem
> KFIV,912
> Lawton, OK
>
>
________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________
Time: 09:56:39 AM PST US
Subject: Kitfox-List: wHEEL PANTS FOR kITFOX vIXEN
From: "kitfoxjim"
Does any know where you can order wheel pants for Kitfox Vixen 15/600x6 tires?
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________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________
Time: 10:05:36 AM PST US
From: "fox5flyer"
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Flaperons
This is an old topic that rears up every so often and you're correct, it's
the UV that is causing the plastic to get brittle. Your recommendation is a
good one Clem; however to ensure that there are no problems down the road
it's probably best to remove the covering as soon as you get them, then hang
them up somewhere safe. That covering is only on there to protect the
aluminum during shipping.
Deke Morisse
N148DM
S5/Soob/CAP
NE Michigan
"The influence of each human being on others in this life is a kind of
immortality."
-- John Quincy Adams
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re: Flaperons
>
> This may be the clue we've been looking for. My flaperons were stored
> for 16 years in my garage and the film came off perfectly on both sides.
> BUT, mine we're hung on a wall on the dark side of the garage, where
> very little light ever hit them. Given David's experience described in
> his previous posting, it could very well be that UV light makes the film
> brittle, as it does many plastics. The film is very thin and may
> deteriorate quickly. Perhaps the answer for long term storage is to wrap
> the flaperons with something, or keep them covered so light can't get to
> them.
>
> Clem
> KF IV, 912
> Lawton, OK
________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________
Time: 10:15:19 AM PST US
From: kurt schrader
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Arlington 2007
Add another thanks from me too SGT.
Best 2 ranks in the service are SGT and Captain. Only
people who know what is going on AND can do something
about it.
Renewed my ID card Monday and reread the "subject to
recall" statement on my DD-214. I would go there in
an instant to be amoungs the best people in the world,
but would make the news for a different reason.
Immediate heat exhaustion getting off the plane with
my bags!
You guys ROCK! These days I roll....
Kurt Schrader
S-5/NSI turbo
--- "Keith C." wrote:
> Mr. Westberg,
>
> I hope the Sgt will soon be a thing of the past. I
> thank you for serving and hope that you soon will be
> back working on your Kitfox. >From a Viet Nam vet
> to you "keep your head down..........." I wish this
> old fart could take your place. Come home safe.
>
> Keith C.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: kent westberg
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Arlington 2007
> hi sir
> love to come but I am a us soldier serving in iraq
> but I am building my kitfox 3 when I get back home
> soon so next year I will come thanks sgt westberg in
> iraq,,, combat camera in the fight...
Do not archive
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________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________
Time: 10:30:19 AM PST US
From: "Rick"
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: wHEEL PANTS FOR kITFOX vIXEN
I have one. If your local its yours free. Its the left side. Now if you
can find the right side. I know ACS sells them, pretty sure.
Rick
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of kitfoxjim
Sent: Wednesday, July 04, 2007 9:56 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: wHEEL PANTS FOR kITFOX vIXEN
Does any know where you can order wheel pants for Kitfox Vixen 15/600x6
tires?
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=122182#122182
10:02 AM
10:02 AM
________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________
Time: 10:39:56 AM PST US
From: "Rick"
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re: Arlington 2007
Where do you live I will come help you build it. Keep your head down my
friend.
Semper Fi
Rick
CWO-4 USMC Ret. 1969-1993
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of kurt
schrader
Sent: Wednesday, July 04, 2007 10:15 AM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Arlington 2007
-->
Add another thanks from me too SGT.
Best 2 ranks in the service are SGT and Captain. Only
people who know what is going on AND can do something
about it.
Renewed my ID card Monday and reread the "subject to
recall" statement on my DD-214. I would go there in
an instant to be amoungs the best people in the world,
but would make the news for a different reason.
Immediate heat exhaustion getting off the plane with
my bags!
You guys ROCK! These days I roll....
Kurt Schrader
S-5/NSI turbo
--- "Keith C." wrote:
> Mr. Westberg,
>
> I hope the Sgt will soon be a thing of the past. I
> thank you for serving and hope that you soon will be
> back working on your Kitfox. >From a Viet Nam vet
> to you "keep your head down..........." I wish this
> old fart could take your place. Come home safe.
>
> Keith C.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: kent westberg
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Arlington 2007
> hi sir
> love to come but I am a us soldier serving in iraq
> but I am building my kitfox 3 when I get back home
> soon so next year I will come thanks sgt westberg in
> iraq,,, combat camera in the fight...
Do not archive
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10:02 AM
10:02 AM
________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________
Time: 10:46:29 AM PST US
From: kurt schrader
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re: Floatplane preflight
--- Noel Loveys wrote:
> Pull the plane in to the beach tail first... Then
> inspect the tail and
> wings from the beach. The rest of the plane can be
> inspected from the
> floats. Most of the time though I fly with my
> waders on and rolled down
> below my knees.
>
> The other thing is my plane is stored in the garage
> here at the house, about
> a mile or two, from the pond I launch from. So I
> have lots of time to pre
> flight.
> Of course I have to tow with the wings folded. The
> water in the background
> is part of the North Atlantic. Picture taken May
> 2006.
>
> Noel Loveys, RPP, AME intern
> Campbellton, Newfoundland,
> Canada
> Kitfox Mod III-A, 582, B box, Ivo IFA
> Aerocet 1100s
--------------------------------------------------
Good point Noel. I forgot about seeing almost all the
planes in Alaska tail to shore. Then wadders it is.
Thanks,
Kurt Schrader
S-5/NSI turbo
Florida and panama
> Do not archive
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________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________
Time: 11:04:52 AM PST US
From: "clemwehner"
Subject: Kitfox-List: Homebuilders wheel with Matco
Has anyone replaced a 6-inch MATCO tailwheel with a homebuilders
tailwheel ? What's the bearing situation with this combination?
tnx,
Clem
KFIV, 912
Lawton, OK
________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________
Time: 11:09:00 AM PST US
From: "RAY Gignac"
Subject: Kitfox-List: Noise?
I find that when I turn my strobes or nav lights on I get noise through my
headsets! Is there some kind of noise filter I can install or is there
something else I should be looking for. Can anyone help me with this
problem?
Ray
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________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________
Time: 11:51:11 AM PST US
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: wHEEL PANTS FOR kITFOX vIXEN
From: "kitfoxjim"
Thanks Rick
I live in SC but would be glad to either send $ for shipment or something.
Just let me know.
Really appreciate it!
Jim
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________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________
Time: 11:55:34 AM PST US
From: Guy Buchanan
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Noise?
At 11:07 AM 7/4/2007, you wrote:
>I find that when I turn my strobes or nav lights on I get noise
>through my headsets! Is there some kind of noise filter I can
>install or is there something else I should be looking for. Can
>anyone help me with this problem?
Ray,
Check the AeroElectric Matronics List archive. This subject
has been addressed many times there. I'd also check the RV archives
if you haven't already.
Guy Buchanan
San Diego, CA
K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 100% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar.
________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________
Time: 12:19:50 PM PST US
From: "Lowell Fitt"
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Homebuilders wheel with Matco
Clem,
I haven't done it with the Matco. I changed out the whole thing. The only
thing you might have an issue with is the axle diameter and the bearings.
The bearings that come with the wheel are not sealed and will eventually
start making a noise of their own. In fact the sealed bearings that
Aircraft Spruce sells as replacement bearings have an inner diameter that is
too large for the Homebuilders wheel assembly - I've yet to figure that one
out.
The homebuilders wheel has a 1/2" axle. I think the replacement bearings
have a 5/8" inner diameter.
If your Matco has a 1/2" axle you would be good to go. Unless there is
something I am not aware of that is perticular to your wheel assembly.
What you might try is getting the wheel, check out the bearing size and if
it needs a different inner size or if you want to just start with a sealed
bearing from the get-go, go to http://www.bocabearings.com/ , use their
bearing finder and order a pair that will fit and are sealed. The ones I
bought are R1621-2RSNR .
They're not cheap ~ $17each, but the wheel is good for sound reduction and
the bearings should pretty much last a lifetime. You will need bearings
with the snap ring as the wheel hub is machined straight through without
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----- Original Message -----
From: Lmar
Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2005 7:01 PM
Subject: Fwd: Re: Noise supression
Skypics234@aol.com wrote:
From: Skypics234@aol.com
Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2005 19:58:49 EDT
Subject: Re: Noise supression
To: my93avid@yahoo.com
Larry:
This is just the way I did it and there are other methods, but this
worked for me.
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The windshield on my Speedster has developed a long crack and will have
to be replaced.
Some time back there was a discussion on the list about replacing
windshields but I am not smart enough on computers to be able to find it
in the archives.
If I remember correctly someone wrote that there was a company that made
permolded windshields for the kitfox.
I would appreciate it if someone would send me the infromation on this
company and their experience with this premolded windshield.
Thanks
Floran Higgins
Helena, Mt.
Speedster
912ULS
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Floran,
LP Aero Plastics, inc
Rd # 1 Box 201-b
Jeannette, PA 15644
Phone 412 744-4448
Fax 412 744-7372
John Oakley
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From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of floran higgins
Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2007 7:41 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: windshield
The windshield on my Speedster has developed a long crack and will have to
be replaced.
Some time back there was a discussion on the list about replacing
windshields but I am not smart enough on computers to be able to find it in
the archives.
If I remember correctly someone wrote that there was a company that made
permolded windshields for the kitfox.
I would appreciate it if someone would send me the infromation on this
company and their experience with this premolded windshield.
Thanks
Floran Higgins
Helena, Mt.
Speedster
912ULS
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I'm in the market for a cabin cover for my Series 5. Weight, Volume, Cost &
Sun Resistance will be the deciding factors.
I see three options (Sam Knight @ $225, Kitfox A/C @ $350 and Kennon @ $395)
Any others? Any recommendations from happy or unhappy customers? Any
used ones someone is looking to get rid of?
Feel free to contact me on or off list.
Grant Krueger
Series 5
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Floran,
Make sure to consider the alternative too. You can usually purchase a
flat sheet of polycarbonate (Lexan) locally. It's not very expensive at
all. Lay it down and put your old windshield right on top of it. Trace a
round the outside and the mounting holes and cut it out. I've used saber
saws and /or a band saw. Drill out the mounting holes and deburr. Be su
re to make them slightly larger to allow for expansion and contraction.
Use a file and /or sandpaper along the outside edge and you're ready to
peel off the protective paper and install. Do the skylight section first
and work your way forward. Voila, you're new windshield is ready to kil
l more bugs.
Premolded windshields in my opinion are about the same amount of work,
are heavier, and must be shipped in a large box. I've changed my lexan
windshield twice over the years and found it to be quick and simple. Be
sure to get opinions and experiences of other guys on the list too and t
hen make your decision from there.
Rex in Michigan
Model 3
912 UL
Warp Drive
-- "floran higgins" <cliffh@outdrs.net> wrote:
The windshield on my Speedster has developed a long crack and will have
to be replaced.Some time back there was a discussion on the list about r
eplacing windshields but I am not smart enough on computers to be able t
o find it in the archives.If I remember correctly someone wrote that the
re was a company that made permolded windshields for the kitfox.I would
appreciate it if someone would send me the infromation on this company a
nd their experience with this premolded windshield.Thanks Floran Higgins
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<html><P>Floran,</P>
<P> Make sure to consider the alternative too. You can usually pur
chase a flat sheet of polycarbonate (Lexan) locally. It's not very expen
sive at all. Lay it down and put your old windshield right on top of it.
Trace around the outside and the mounting holes and cut it out. I've us
ed saber saws and /or a band saw. Drill out the mounting holes and debur
r. Be sure to make them slightly larger to allow for expansion and contr
action. Use a file and /or sandpaper along the outside edge and you're r
eady to peel off the protective paper and install. Do the skylight secti
on first and work your way forward. Voila, you're new windshield is read
y to kill more bugs. </P>
<P> Premolded windshields in my opinion are about the same amount
of work, are heavier, and must be shipped in a large box. I've changed m
y lexan windshield twice over the years and found it to be quick and sim
ple. Be sure to get opinions and experiences of other guys on the list t
oo and then make your decision from there.</P>
<P>Rex in Michigan<BR>Model 3<BR>912 UL<BR>Warp Drive <BR><BR>-- "f
loran higgins" <cliffh@outdrs.net> wrote:<BR></P>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>The windshield on my Speedster has deve
loped a long crack and will have to be replaced.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Some time back there was a discussion o
n the list about replacing windshields but I am not smart enough on comp
uters to be able to find it in the archives.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>If I remember correctly someone wrote t
hat there was a company that made permolded windshields for the kitfox.<
/FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I would appreciate it if someone would
send me the infromation on this company and their experience with this p
remolded windshield.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Thanks</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Floran Higgins</FONT></DIV>
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| Subject: | Re: Flaperons question about film color |
The film on my flaperons is clear and very hard to see, but it is there. When you
peel it off, it actually has a slight blue tint to it. You can get a hold of
it by making a small cut across a corner with a razor blade and then peeling
from the cut.
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Series 7 under construction
912S (probably)
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| Subject: | Re: Noise supression |
Sorry all,
The picture did not turn out on the site.
I used a 20,000 mfd 30V capacitor to stop the strobe noise.
Wire it so that the 12v line from the regulator to the + on the
capacitor, ground to - .
I used a capacitor from Radio shack and it wasn't exact, but it works
well. A good $5 fix.
Sorry about the previous poor posting.
Larry
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I am in the same boat. I was going to get the premolded one but have decided against
it due to the $500 bill for the molded one. In my town a lexan sheet 3/32
will cost me $50.
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Giovanni Day
Model 4 speedster 912
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| Subject: | vertex generators |
is anyone useing vertex generators on the speed wing avid or kitfox and
how much difference do they make? thankls ralph
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| Subject: | Re: vertex generators |
I use the landshorter.com ones. I noticed right off the bat that I had a more
stable flight in rough conditions, put in the right spot, 10percent of the cord
back, no decrease in top speed. I did notice that my turns are like on rails,
steep turns are fantstic. I can do a 60 mph 90degree bank with lots of elevator
and no stall, it will shake, but not drop out. Of course the big thing
is to keep coordinated in flight. Another thing I do that is way cool, don't
know if the vg do anything, is a runway run just off stall, I can go back and
forth over the runway, 150ft wide runway, and touch down while doing it in different
spots with the greatest of ease. I've graduated to doing this flat winged,
meaning no bank, way fun. flat turns are fun and happen real easily, this
helps out if there is traffic and you want to see around you, just opposite
aileron and put a bunch of rudder in for the direction of turn, flat wing and
turn your baby. pretty cool and fun as well. people on the ground get pretty
impressed and if you have a passenger thay think it's pretty weard.
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model IV, 1200
speedster
912ul
building
RV7a
slowbuild wings, fuse, finish kit
"if you're not getting razzed from pilots or the FAA then you're not flying
enough"
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Don't go over .090 thick. precut as specified in previous post. start from the
back and when you get to the bend, heat with a heat gun and let it droop over
the edge, then continue. I would say test with a scrap piece on the heating
to get the process and amount of heat first. When done, go over the heavy bends
with the heat gun again to releive stress areas.
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speedster
912ul
building
RV7a
slowbuild wings, fuse, finish kit
"if you're not getting razzed from pilots or the FAA then you're not flying
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Rex:
How much of a problem is it to flatten out the old windshield after it's
been in position for 10 years or more? Mine has a moderate amount of
crazing, and I would like to replace it, but would hate to get in over
my head and wind up with no windshield at all. Incidentally, I recently
came across Skystar Service Bulletin #34 dated May 1, 1994 in which they
recommended the use of .090" thick polycarbonate instead of the .118"
they originally supplied to make the windshield. Their position was
that the .118" material was more prone to cracking/crazing during
installation and that the .090" caused no decrement in performance or
safety.
Clem Nichols
Model IV 1200
NSI Subaru EA81
Munfordville, Ky.
----- Original Message -----
From: Rexster
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2007 9:31 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: windshield
Floran,
Make sure to consider the alternative too. You can usually purchase
a flat sheet of polycarbonate (Lexan) locally. It's not very expensive
at all. Lay it down and put your old windshield right on top of it.
Trace around the outside and the mounting holes and cut it out. I've
used saber saws and /or a band saw. Drill out the mounting holes and
deburr. Be sure to make them slightly larger to allow for expansion and
contraction. Use a file and /or sandpaper along the outside edge and
you're ready to peel off the protective paper and install. Do the
skylight section first and work your way forward. Voila, you're new
windshield is ready to kill more bugs.
Premolded windshields in my opinion are about the same amount of
work, are heavier, and must be shipped in a large box. I've changed my
lexan windshield twice over the years and found it to be quick and
simple. Be sure to get opinions and experiences of other guys on the
list too and then make your decision from there.
Rex in Michigan
Model 3
912 UL
Warp Drive
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Clem,
No problem at all. Mine had almost no memory of being couped up on the p
lane. I simply layed it on top and traced. It's lighter, way less expens
ive and quite simple to do. As a matter of fact, last time I bought a sh
eet of the .090 Lexan, I made two windshields. Down the road when this o
ne, needs replacement, I'll be ready to go. Of course, always use the or
iginal cracked windshield as your pattern for the rest, so don't discard
it. I understand some people do some heating of the windshield to make
the bends. Just for the record, I did not use additional heat. I did it
in a warm hangar, but that's all. It's working fine. Some have used heat
and used too much. That's a problem too.
Rex in Michigan
Model 3
912 UL
Warpdrive
-- "Clem Nichols" <cnichols@scrtc.com> wrote:
Rex: How much of a problem is it to flatten out the old windshield after
it's been in position for 10 years or more? Mine has a moderate amount
of crazing, and I would like to replace it, but would hate to get in ov
er my head and wind up with no windshield at all. Incidentally, I recen
tly came across Skystar Service Bulletin #34 dated May 1, 1994 in which
they recommended the use of .090" thick polycarbonate instead of the .11
8" they originally supplied to make the windshield. Their position was
that the .118" material was more prone to cracking/crazing during instal
lation and that the .090" caused no decrement in performance or safety.
Clem NicholsModel IV 1200NSI Subaru EA81Munfordville, Ky.----- Original
Message ----- From: Rexster To: kitfox-list@matronics.com Sent: Thursday
, July 05, 2007 9:31 AMSubject: Kitfox-List: windshield
Floran,
Make sure to consider the alternative too. You can usually purchase a
flat sheet of polycarbonate (Lexan) locally. It's not very expensive at
all. Lay it down and put your old windshield right on top of it. Trace a
round the outside and the mounting holes and cut it out. I've used saber
saws and /or a band saw. Drill out the mounting holes and deburr. Be su
re to make them slightly larger to allow for expansion and contraction.
Use a file and /or sandpaper along the outside edge and you're ready to
peel off the protective paper and install. Do the skylight section first
and work your way forward. Voila, you're new windshield is ready to kil
l more bugs.
Premolded windshields in my opinion are about the same amount of work,
are heavier, and must be shipped in a large box. I've changed my lexan
windshield twice over the years and found it to be quick and simple. Be
sure to get opinions and experiences of other guys on the list too and t
hen make your decision from there.
Rex in Michigan
Model 3
912 UL
Warp Drive
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<P>No problem at all. Mine had almost no memory of being couped up on th
e plane. I simply layed it on top and traced. It's lighter, way less exp
ensive and quite simple to do. As a matter of fact, last time I bought a
sheet of the .090 Lexan, I made two windshields. Down the road when thi
s one, needs replacement, I'll be ready to go. Of course, always use the
original cracked windshield as your pattern for the rest, so don't disc
ard it. I understand some people do some heating of the windshield to ma
ke the bends. Just for the record, I did not use additional heat. I did
it in a warm hangar, but that's all. It's working fine. Some have used h
eat and used too much. That's a problem too.</P>
<P>Rex in Michigan<BR>Model 3<BR>912 UL<BR>Warpdrive<BR><BR>-- "Cle
m Nichols" <cnichols@scrtc.com> wrote:<BR></P>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Rex:</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>How much of a problem is it to flatten
out the old windshield after it's been in position for 10 years or more?
Mine has a moderate amount of crazing, and I would like to replac
e it, but would hate to get in over my head and wind up with no windshie
ld at all. Incidentally, I recently came across Skystar Service Bu
lletin #34 dated May 1, 1994 in which they recommended the use of .090"
thick polycarbonate instead of the .118" they originally supplied to mak
e the windshield. Their position was that the .118" material was m
ore prone to cracking/crazing during installation and that the .090" cau
sed no decrement in performance or safety.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Clem Nichols</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Model IV 1200</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>NSI Subaru EA81</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Munfordville, Ky.</FONT></DIV>
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<B>From:</B> <A title=runwayrex@juno.com href="mailto:runwayrex@juno
.com">Rexster</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=kitfox-list@matron
ics.com href="mailto:kitfox-list@matronics.com">kitfox-list@matronics.
com</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, July 05, 2007 9:3
1 AM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Kitfox-List: windshield<
/DIV>
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<P>Floran,</P>
<P> Make sure to consider the alternative too. You can usually pur
chase a flat sheet of polycarbonate (Lexan) locally. It's not very expen
sive at all. Lay it down and put your old windshield right on top of it.
Trace around the outside and the mounting holes and cut it out. I've us
ed saber saws and /or a band saw. Drill out the mounting holes and debur
r. Be sure to make them slightly larger to allow for expansion and contr
action. Use a file and /or sandpaper along the outside edge and you're r
eady to peel off the protective paper and install. Do the skylight secti
on first and work your way forward. Voila, you're new windshield is read
y to kill more bugs. </P>
<P> Premolded windshields in my opinion are about the same amount
of work, are heavier, and must be shipped in a large box. I've changed m
y lexan windshield twice over the years and found it to be quick and sim
ple. Be sure to get opinions and experiences of other guys on the list t
oo and then make your decision from there.</P>
<P>Rex in Michigan<BR>Model 3<BR>912 UL<BR>Warp Drive <BR><BR>-- <B
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I also changed my windshield on my Avid. Took the old one off and used it
for a pattern and it really was quite simple. If you don't have the old
one, I'm sure it would be harder, mainly because you're not sure you're
doing it right. Jim Chuk Avid MK IV Chisholm MN
>From: "Giovanni Day" <thedays@mchsi.com>
>To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: windshield
>Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2007 08:59:33 -0700
>
>
>I am in the same boat. I was going to get the premolded one but have
>decided against it due to the $500 bill for the molded one. In my town a
>lexan sheet 3/32 will cost me $50.
>
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>Giovanni Day
>Model 4 speedster 912
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Rex:
Sounds easy enough. Thanks for your response and the reassurance.
Clem Nichols
----- Original Message -----
From: Rexster
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2007 1:03 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: windshield
Clem,
No problem at all. Mine had almost no memory of being couped up on the
plane. I simply layed it on top and traced. It's lighter, way less
expensive and quite simple to do. As a matter of fact, last time I
bought a sheet of the .090 Lexan, I made two windshields. Down the road
when this one, needs replacement, I'll be ready to go. Of course, always
use the original cracked windshield as your pattern for the rest, so
don't discard it. I understand some people do some heating of the
windshield to make the bends. Just for the record, I did not use
additional heat. I did it in a warm hangar, but that's all. It's working
fine. Some have used heat and used too much. That's a problem too.
Rex in Michigan
Model 3
912 UL
Warpdrive
-- "Clem Nichols" <cnichols@scrtc.com> wrote:
Rex:
How much of a problem is it to flatten out the old windshield after
it's been in position for 10 years or more? Mine has a moderate amount
of crazing, and I would like to replace it, but would hate to get in
over my head and wind up with no windshield at all. Incidentally, I
recently came across Skystar Service Bulletin #34 dated May 1, 1994 in
which they recommended the use of .090" thick polycarbonate instead of
the .118" they originally supplied to make the windshield. Their
position was that the .118" material was more prone to cracking/crazing
during installation and that the .090" caused no decrement in
performance or safety.
Clem Nichols
Model IV 1200
NSI Subaru EA81
Munfordville, Ky.
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Clem,
Fly over to Murray some time and I will help you out. I have made wind two for
the Kolb and a set of doors for the Kolb so I have developed a system that makes
it a half day job. The biggest pain will be drilling out all the rivets for
the old one and I have a tool for that.
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Model 4 speedster 912
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Grant,
Not sure but the covers are slightly different today then what Sam Knight
offers.. Not sure what Kennon offers..
Fly Safe !!
John & Debra McBean
208.337.5111
www.kitfoxaircraft.com
"It's not how Fast... It's how Fun!"
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From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Tinne maha
Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2007 8:24 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Cabin Covers
I'm in the market for a cabin cover for my Series 5. Weight, Volume, Cost &
Sun Resistance will be the deciding factors.
I see three options (Sam Knight @ $225, Kitfox A/C @ $350 and Kennon @ $395)
Any others? Any recommendations from happy or unhappy customers? Any
used ones someone is looking to get rid of?
Feel free to contact me on or off list.
Grant Krueger
Series 5
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Floran,
We offer the pre-formed windshields for the Kitfox And we
appreciate the support !!
Fly Safe !!
John & Debra McBean
208.337.5111
www.kitfoxaircraft.com
"It's not how Fast... It's how Fun!"
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[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of floran higgins
Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2007 7:41 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: windshield
The windshield on my Speedster has developed a long crack and will have to
be replaced.
Some time back there was a discussion on the list about replacing
windshields but I am not smart enough on computers to be able to find it in
the archives.
If I remember correctly someone wrote that there was a company that made
permolded windshields for the kitfox.
I would appreciate it if someone would send me the infromation on this
company and their experience with this premolded windshield.
Thanks
Floran Higgins
Helena, Mt.
Speedster
912ULS
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I tried a hairdryer to. It didn't take much heat to get the distortion and
popping and the covering didn't come off that easily anyway. My flaperons
were stored in an air conditioned basement from 92 until 200
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I tried a hairdryer to. It didn't take much heat to get the distortion and
popping and the covering didn't come off that easily anyway. The chemicals
proved to be the best and quickest way. My flaperons were stored in an air
conditioned basement from 92 until 2005. From there they felt the hot and cold
of DC for 1year and the Florida heat and humidity for another year. Go
figure. I hope the epoxy I used sticks as good as the film did!
Rick Weiss, Series V, 912S, N39RW
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Can anyone foreword a set of plans for wheel ski's If I get started now I
may have a set ready by Christmas mal
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I ordered one from your wife this P.M.
Floran H.
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From: jdmcbean
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2007 4:43 PM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: windshield
Floran,
We offer the pre-formed windshields for the Kitfox. And
we appreciate the support !!
Fly Safe !!
John & Debra McBean
208.337.5111
www.kitfoxaircraft.com
"It's not how Fast... It's how Fun!"
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[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of floran
higgins
Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2007 7:41 AM
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Subject: Kitfox-List: windshield
The windshield on my Speedster has developed a long crack and will
have to be replaced.
Some time back there was a discussion on the list about replacing
windshields but I am not smart enough on computers to be able to find it
in the archives.
If I remember correctly someone wrote that there was a company that
made permolded windshields for the kitfox.
I would appreciate it if someone would send me the infromation on this
company and their experience with this premolded windshield.
Thanks
Floran Higgins
Helena, Mt.
Speedster
912ULS
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Floran,
Let us know how you like it. I looked very hard at the preformed one, but I am
looking to get the preformed lexan doors and need to save the cash.
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Giovanni Day
Model 4 speedster 912
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| Subject: | Re: Floatplane preflight |
--- Noel Loveys <noelloveys@yahoo.ca> wrote:
> The only other advice I have is if you are expecting
> some foul weather and
> you have your plane pulled up tail on. It's a good
> idea to pump water into
> the compartments of the floats to give them more
> weight and keep the plane
> from rocking in any waves hitting the shore ( fresh
> water) Keeping the
> plane from moving is important because that's when
> damage is done to both the plane and the floats.
>
> After the storm you only have to pump out the floats
> to be able to move the plane again.
>
> Noel
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Thanks Noel. When I get closer to doing this I am
sure to need many pointers.
I might take the float plane course early next year
over at Lakland Fl. The biannual is part of it. Got
a full plate right now... Retirement hasn't slowed
life down one bit yet. Got to work off the to-do list
then get back inthe air.
But I don't want to miss out on the fun! Need floats,
then skis.
kurt Schrader
S-5/NSI turbo
Florida and panama
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