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1. 12:05 AM - Re: wheel penetrating ski (Michel Verheughe)
2. 08:09 AM - Re: Re: Flaperons (Mdkitfox@aol.com)
3. 09:40 AM - Fuel Transfer (Charles Bloom)
4. 10:23 AM - Throttle cables (Barry West)
5. 10:28 AM - Re: Fuel Transfer (clemwehner)
6. 10:41 AM - [OFF-TOPIC] Jack L Bell (Michel Verheughe)
7. 12:11 PM - Re: off topic...Big Rapids fly-in (Lynn Matteson)
8. 12:44 PM - Re: Fuel Transfer (Marco Menezes)
9. 01:23 PM - Re: Fuel Transfer (Tom Jones)
10. 01:40 PM - Re: Fuel Transfer (Noel Loveys)
11. 01:43 PM - Re: Cabin Covers (W Duke)
12. 01:48 PM - Re: Fuel Transfer (W Duke)
13. 03:56 PM - Re: Cabin covers (kurt schrader)
14. 03:59 PM - Re: Re: Fuel Transfer (john oakley)
15. 04:34 PM - M1 to M2 wings? (Rexinator)
16. 07:42 PM - Re: Re: Fuel Transfer (paul wilson)
17. 07:42 PM - Re: Re: Fuel Transfer (paul wilson)
18. 08:40 PM - Re: M1 to M2 wings? (Jim_and_Lucy Chuk)
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| Subject: | wheel penetrating ski |
> From: Malcolmbru@aol.com
> Can anyone foreword a set of plans for wheel ski's If I get started now I
> may have a set ready by Christmas mal
Here is what I made, Malcom:
http://home.online.no/~michel/tmp/SkiFox.pdf
And here are some photos of it:
http://home.online.no/~michel/ski/
Cheers,
Michel Verheughe
Norway
Kitfox 3 - Jabiru 2200
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In a message dated 7/4/2007 1:06:43 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
fox5flyer@idealwifi.net writes:
This is an old topic that rears up every so often and you're correct, it's
the UV that is causing the plastic to get brittle.
Deke,
I want to agree, but my flaperons were kept on a shelf in our basement for
12 years before I removed the covering. They never saw sunlight and I still
had the problem. However there was a period of a few days, when they may have
been exposed to UV. Are we to conclude the brittleness occurs very quickly
with sunlight contact. If so the recommendation should be to remove the
covering immediately when the flaperons are received.
Just my 2 cents.
DO NOT ARCHIVE
Rick Weiss, Series V, 912S
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I am having trouble getting fuel from my wing tanks to transfer to the main tank.
I put forward facing tubes from the fuel caps into the airstream but they
don't seem to pressurize the tanks enough to permit transfer. I was thinking of
putting siphon bulbs such as from boat remote tanks into the fuel lines in the
cabin. I would appreciate any other ideas.
Chuck Bloom
Missoula, MT
Kitfox Model 1 #8
Rotax 503
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Trouble with my Model IV Kitfox with the 912S. I need to replace the
throttle cables. Has anyone had experience with replacing the cables
without having to replace the whole mechanism? Let me know.
Barry West
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This comes up every few years. About 6-8 years ago we had a discussion
about increasing the pressure in the tanks. I did an experiment of
taking a fuel cap and putting a little funnel on the end of the tube
facing into the wind. I hooked my airspeed indicator to the tube, then
used my leaf blower and blew air at it at 80 MPH. Then I took the
funnel off and the airspeed went down. Funnel on-more airspeed, funnel
off-less airspeed. The funnel seems to catch more wind and increase the
pressure in the fuel cap tube. Try it yourself. I used little plastic
funnels that my doc gave me. They go on the little scope that he looks
into your ears with), but you could make a little funnel out of
anything, even cardboard to try the experiment.
Clem Wehner (the other Clem) Hmmmm, what's the chances of 2 Clems on
this list?
KFIV,912
Lawton OK
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From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Charles
Bloom
Sent: Friday, July 06, 2007 11:38 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Fuel Transfer
I am having trouble getting fuel from my wing tanks to transfer to the
main tank. I put forward facing tubes from the fuel caps into the
airstream but they don't seem to pressurize the tanks enough to permit
transfer. I was thinking of putting siphon bulbs such as from boat
remote tanks into the fuel lines in the cabin. I would appreciate any
other ideas.
Chuck Bloom
Missoula, MT
Kitfox Model 1 #8
Rotax 503
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| Subject: | [OFF-TOPIC] Jack L Bell |
Jack, I tried twice to answer your direct email but it bounced back.
Sorry.
My answer was: No, my Jabiru engine has the serial nr. 1665 and
therefore not an old one and if the prop sounds short in diameter,
remember that it is a straight cut tip and not a rounded tip like the
Sensinich. You can't just compare diameter across manufacturers.
Cheers,
Michel Verheughe
Norway
Kitfox 3 - Jabiru 2200
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| Subject: | Re: off topic...Big Rapids fly-in |
I didn't make Big Rapids either...weather looked too bad.
But I'm ready, willing, and able for a "upper-Midwest/ Great Lakes
kitfox fly-in"...let me know.
Lynn Matteson
Grass Lake, Michigan
Kitfox IV Speedster w/Jabiru 2200
flying w/350+ hrs
On Jul 4, 2007, at 3:20 PM, Marco Menezes wrote:
> I had planned on it since Big Rapids is just a short hop from my
> home base. Unfortunately, it was raining this morning, low ceilings
> and forecast is for more of the same all day. Incidently, Big
> Rapids airport (KRQB) manager would love to host an upper-Midwest/
> Great Lakes kitfox fly-in. He says they could offer "incentives,"
> whatever that means. Anyone interested?
>
> fox5flyer <fox5flyer@idealwifi.net> wrote: --> Kitfox-List message
> posted by: "fox5flyer"
>
> Wish I could join the group and thanks for letting me know, but I have
> people coming and much to do to get ready. Have fun.
> Deke Morisse
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel Transfer |
Hi Charles.
What happens when you try to blow through the fuel cap vents?
Charles Bloom <kj7sr@earthlink.net> wrote:
I am having trouble getting fuel from my wing tanks to transfer to the
main tank. I put forward facing tubes from the fuel caps into the airstream but
they don't seem to pressurize the tanks enough to permit transfer. I was thinking
of putting siphon bulbs such as from boat remote tanks into the fuel lines
in the cabin. I would appreciate any other ideas.
Chuck Bloom
Missoula, MT
Kitfox Model 1 #8
Rotax 503
Marco Menezes
Model 2 582 N99KX
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel Transfer |
Chuck,
My fuel transfer is too slow to suit me also, and the wing tank flow stops easily,
especially when the fuel is low. The transfer flow varies from about 8 to
13 gallons per hour.
I have a right wing tank that transfers to the panel tank. The fuel line is 1/4
in. ID urathane. The line runs from the wing tank forward above the door and
down the diagonal fuselage tube to the panel tank. There is a shut off valve
and an in line filter in the line. The panel tank vent line runs to the top
of the wing tank.
I think the in line filter is restricting the flow some but believe the biggest
cause of the problem is not enough down slope in the line from the tank to where
it starts down the diagonal tube.
The kitfox fuel systems that I know of that worked well all ran the fuel line from
the wing tank imediately down behind the seat, forward under the seat and
door then back up to the panel tank. I have not gone with that route because
I don't like the idea of that significant low spot in the line that could collect
water and maybe even freeze.
I keep looking for some 5/16 ID urathane fuel line to try but no luck so far.
There is plenty of 5/16 rubber fuel line on the market but I am using premix oil
in the fuel and have heard that the oil will deterioriate the
rubber fueline.
--------
Tom Jones
Classic IV, Phase one
503 Rotax, 72 inch Two blade Warp
Ellensburg, WA
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By main tank I assume you mean a panel tank. It may need a vent,
possibly
rear facing above the level of the wing tank to allow fuel to flow down
into
it.
Do you have a vent on your main tank?
Noel Loveys, RPP, AME intern
Campbellton, Newfoundland,
Canada
Kitfox Mod III-A, 582, B box, Ivo IFA
Aerocet 1100s
<mailto:noelloveys@yahoo.ca> noelloveys@yahoo.ca
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From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Charles
Bloom
Sent: Friday, July 06, 2007 2:08 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Fuel Transfer
I am having trouble getting fuel from my wing tanks to transfer to the
main
tank. I put forward facing tubes from the fuel caps into the airstream
but
they don't seem to pressurize the tanks enough to permit transfer. I was
thinking of putting siphon bulbs such as from boat remote tanks into the
fuel lines in the cabin. I would appreciate any other ideas.
Chuck Bloom
Missoula, MT
Kitfox Model 1 #8
Rotax 503
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I have the Skystar variety and it is great for sun block but is not water proof.
I would have preferred water proof. It folds down to the size of a LARGE purse.
Maxwell
S6 TD IO240
Dexter GA
jdmcbean <jdmcbean@kitfoxaircraft.com> wrote:
Grant,
Not sure but the covers are slightly different today then what Sam Knight
offers.. Not sure what Kennon offers..
Fly Safe !!
John & Debra McBean
208.337.5111
www.kitfoxaircraft.com
"It's not how Fast... It's how Fun!"
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From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Tinne maha
Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2007 8:24 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Cabin Covers
I'm in the market for a cabin cover for my Series 5. Weight, Volume, Cost &
Sun Resistance will be the deciding factors.
I see three options (Sam Knight @ $225, Kitfox A/C @ $350 and Kennon @ $395)
Any others? Any recommendations from happy or unhappy customers? Any
used ones someone is looking to get rid of?
Feel free to contact me on or off list.
Grant Krueger
Series 5
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1:40 PM
1:40 PM
Maxwell Duke
S6/IO240/Phase II Flight Testing
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel Transfer |
I suspect something is wrong with your system. Gravity should feed the main tank
and I would hesitate to depend on anything else. I would check every line
into and out of every tank for obstruction. I think you will find one some where.
Fluid will flow down hill if it has vacuum relief above.
Maxwell
S6 TD IO240
Marco Menezes <msm_9949@yahoo.com> wrote:
Hi Charles.
What happens when you try to blow through the fuel cap vents?
Charles Bloom <kj7sr@earthlink.net> wrote:
I am having trouble getting fuel from my wing tanks to transfer to the
main tank. I put forward facing tubes from the fuel caps into the airstream but
they don't seem to pressurize the tanks enough to permit transfer. I was thinking
of putting siphon bulbs such as from boat remote tanks into the fuel lines
in the cabin. I would appreciate any other ideas.
Chuck Bloom
Missoula, MT
Kitfox Model 1 #8
Rotax 503
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| Subject: | Re: Cabin covers |
Don't foreget that you can Scotch Guard the outside of
your cover for some water protection. An $8 can
doesn't last forever, but it is pretty cheap compared
to replacing the cover and it will repell water for
quite a while between treatments.
Kurt Schrader
S-5/NSI turbo
Florida and panama
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel Transfer |
I put a "t" in the line at the low spot and installed a fuel drain at that
point"
John Oakley
"I have not gone with that route because I don't like the idea of that
significant low spot in the line that could collect water and maybe even
freeze."
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Can a model 1 wing replace a model 2 wing?
Given that the model 1 gross is 850 lbs. and the model 2 gross is 950
lbs. what part if any within the wing structure must be changed to
convert a model 1 wing to a model 2?
--
Rex Hefferan
SE Colorado / K-II / 582-C / still waiting repairs
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel Transfer |
Very true especially if you have a non standard header tank. The M4
header has a low point over an inch below the outlet so a tee in the
outlet line should present no problem.
Paul
================
At 04:58 PM 7/6/2007, you wrote:
>
>I put a "t" in the line at the low spot and installed a fuel drain at that
>point"
>John Oakley
>
>"I have not gone with that route because I don't like the idea of that
>significant low spot in the line that could collect water and maybe even
>freeze."
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel Transfer |
You are correct that you have resistance to flow in your gravity
lines. Technically 3/8" would be the proper size. I think the
manufacturer is way marginal with the specified 5/16" lines. Anyway
make sure you have no high points where a a vapor/air bubble can
collect, and that the line gradually goes down hill.
Of course nobody uses rubber for fuel lines. Regular automotive fuel
lines are pretty impervious to any hydrocarbons like 2-stroke oil. Go
to the auto store and get SAE R-7 hose in as big as is practical for
your application. If you have a filter between the tank and the
header, please remove it, and same for the valve. Very bad practice
to have pressure loss devices in a critical place as a gravity feed
system. If you think you must have a valve go to a 3/8" size as it
orifice should be adequate. The hardware store valves work
fine, just find the correct fitting to adapt to the chosen hose.
Last of all make sure your vend is free of any restrictions.
Regards, Paul
=============================
At 02:20 PM 7/6/2007, you wrote:
>
>Chuck,
>My fuel transfer is too slow to suit me also, and the wing tank flow
>stops easily, especially when the fuel is low. The transfer flow
>varies from about 8 to 13 gallons per hour.
>
>I have a right wing tank that transfers to the panel tank. The fuel
>line is 1/4 in. ID urathane. The line runs from the wing tank
>forward above the door and down the diagonal fuselage tube to the
>panel tank. There is a shut off valve and an in line filter in the
>line. The panel tank vent line runs to the top of the wing tank.
>
>I think the in line filter is restricting the flow some but believe
>the biggest cause of the problem is not enough down slope in the
>line from the tank to where it starts down the diagonal tube.
>
>The kitfox fuel systems that I know of that worked well all ran the
>fuel line from the wing tank imediately down behind the seat,
>forward under the seat and door then back up to the panel tank. I
>have not gone with that route because I don't like the idea of that
>significant low spot in the line that could collect water and maybe
>even freeze.
>
>I keep looking for some 5/16 ID urathane fuel line to try but no
>luck so far. There is plenty of 5/16 rubber fuel line on the market
>but I am using premix oil in the fuel and have heard that the oil
>will deterioriate the
>rubber fueline.
>
>--------
>Tom Jones
>Classic IV, Phase one
>503 Rotax, 72 inch Two blade Warp
>Ellensburg, WA
>
>
>Read this topic online here:
>
>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=122543#122543
>
>
>Attachments:
>
>http://forums.matronics.com//files/fuel_line_2_710.jpg
>http://forums.matronics.com//files/fuel_line_1_185.jpg
>
>
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Hi Rex, good question, I also wonder what if anything is different about
them and how can you tell one model from another. I've heard that some of
the wing spars were extruded aluminum with a stiffener as an intragal part
of the spar. I've seen wings that were from either a model 1 or 2 (not
sure which one though) that had a Z shaped stiffener and then I've also seen
model 3 wings that have a I shaped stiffener in them. Of course the
model 4 and later have a flat bottom so I guess we are only talking about
the wings with a concave bottom. One thing about the differences between
the wings with the Z shaped and the I shaped stiffeners, the Z has a
single row of poprivits top and bottom and the I shaped stiffener wing
has a double row of poprivits through the spar into the stiffener.
Hopefully someone that has built wings with these different stiffners
(mainly the Z shaped ones) will post what model that style wing was in.
Thanks, Jim Chuk Avid MK IV Chsiholm Mn
>From: Rexinator <rexinator@gmail.com>
>To: Kitfox <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: Kitfox-List: M1 to M2 wings?
>Date: Fri, 06 Jul 2007 17:27:01 -0600
>
>
>Can a model 1 wing replace a model 2 wing?
>Given that the model 1 gross is 850 lbs. and the model 2 gross is 950 lbs.
>what part if any within the wing structure must be changed to convert a
>model 1 wing to a model 2?
>
>--
>Rex Hefferan
>SE Colorado / K-II / 582-C / still waiting repairs
>
>
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