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1. 12:26 AM - Re: Flaperons (Michael Gibbs)
2. 05:42 AM - Re: Re: Fuel Transfer (Cudnohufsky's)
3. 07:10 AM - windshield (floran higgins)
4. 08:19 AM - Static Grounding? (Dan Billingsley)
5. 09:06 AM - Want to buy a kifoxIV-1200 32 foot wing (lpfrank18)
6. 09:16 AM - Re: Static Grounding? (Vic Baker)
7. 09:18 AM - Re: Static Grounding? (kurt schrader)
8. 09:32 AM - Re: Static Grounding? (Dan Billingsley)
9. 12:41 PM - Re: Fuel Transfer (Guy Buchanan)
10. 12:41 PM - Re: windshield (Guy Buchanan)
11. 01:48 PM - Re: Static Grounding? (Vic Baker)
12. 02:50 PM - Kitfox Continental O-200 powered (Francisco dcubj3 Terra)
13. 04:11 PM - Re: Static Grounding? (Lynn Matteson)
14. 06:53 PM - Re: M1 to M2 wings? (Rexinator)
15. 07:26 PM - Model 4 door gas strut parts (Giovanni Day)
16. 10:11 PM - Re: Model 4 door gas strut parts (Guy Buchanan)
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>...my flaperons were kept on a shelf in our basement for 12 years
>before I removed the covering. They never saw sunlight and I still
>had the problem.
Keep in mind that some types of lighting, such as florescent bulbs,
can produce substantial amounts of UV.
Mike G.
N728KF
Phoenix, AZ
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel Transfer |
Tom,
On my model 4 I ran 2 wing tanks and a 10 gal panel tank. The wing tanks
were plumbed into the top of the panel tank with 1/4 tygon tubing that ran
down the inside forward door post. Each wing tank had a shutoff and the
panel tank was vented back to the right wing tank. After I filled the wing
tanks I had a piece of tygon tubing I would put on the cap and gently blow
until the line was flowing full and then shut off, then when I was flying
and wanted to transfer I opened the wing valve and would get solid flow, if
I ever lost flow in flight I was normally able to slip and get it folwing
again. I did an experiment once and removed the vent line from the wing tank
and put it up through the top right rear canopy, thus allowing the ram
pressure from the wing tank cap to pressurize the tank and not the return
vent, flow was great but I opted not to leave it that way in case I would
start transfer and forget I could be pushing fuel out of the plane, I also
pre mixed.
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Lloyd
Rebuild
Mod 5 912ul
UP Mi.
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From: "Tom Jones" <nahsikhs@elltel.net>
Sent: Friday, July 06, 2007 3:20 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Fuel Transfer
>
> Chuck,
> My fuel transfer is too slow to suit me also, and the wing tank flow stops
> easily, especially when the fuel is low. The transfer flow varies from
> about 8 to 13 gallons per hour.
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When I ordered the preformed windshield from Kitfox I was told that It
would take two weeks to get delivery.
Rather than being AOG I decided to repair the crack as per AC 43.13-1B.
As I was finishing lacing the crack I heard a loud pop and discovered
the other side of the windshield had cracked exactly as the first side,
so I wound up lacing the other side as well.
Apparently when you make these windshields out of flat sheet it causes a
lot of stress at the compound curve at the wing root.
This is the second windshield that I have had to replace due to this
problem. This second one is only about three years old and had almost no
crazing prior to cracking.
I hope this new preformed one doesn't have the same stresses.
Floran Higgins
Helena, Mt.
Speedster
912ULS
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| Subject: | Static Grounding? |
This morning I started the process of wiping the 2210 solvent over my first coat
of Poly Spray which generated a serious amount of static electric poping. I'm
sure this has come up before, but I was wondering if anyone has used a grounding
method while doing this? I was able to see the 4th fireworks and just not
interested in an encore :>)
Thanks,
Dan B
Mesa, AZ
KF-IV
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| Subject: | Want to buy a kifoxIV-1200 32 foot wing |
Hi,
Anybody have one for sale. I want to put it on floats. Should
have a rotax, 80 ok but would prefer a 100hp. At least one panel
navcom. An intercom and transponder would be nice. Also aux elec power
via a cig lighter would be nice. Perfect fabric, any color.
How's that for a wish list?
Larry 954 673 1896 ca also use email.. lpfrank@alum.mit.edu
Thanks for looking
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| Subject: | Re: Static Grounding? |
Dan
One member set his wing on fire using that procedure. Another member
suggested a 50/50 mix of IPA and dist H2O. I used that method with
excellent results.
About grounding, I tried running wires to the frame or spars and to the
paint gun. Gave up on that, too much trouble. The IPA/H2O wipedown
generated no static charge - which is good here in dry Nevada.
Vic
Vic Baker
Carson City, Nv
K-7 912S Warp 80%
----- Original Message -----
From: Dan Billingsley
To: kitfox-list
Sent: Saturday, July 07, 2007 8:16 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Static Grounding?
This morning I started the process of wiping the 2210 solvent over my
first coat of Poly Spray which generated a serious amount of static
electric poping. I'm sure this has come up before, but I was wondering
if anyone has used a grounding method while doing this? I was able to
see the 4th fireworks and just not interested in an encore :>)
Thanks,
Dan B
Mesa, AZ
KF-IV
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| Subject: | Re: Static Grounding? |
Hi Dan,
Yes, a subject covered before, unfortunately after I
finished my plane.... I was told that you can spray
the air with static guard right before doing your work
and that should help.
A conductor touching your wing's paint, especially a
little of the silver coat, and then to any ground
should help too.
Let us know if the static guard works.
Kurt Schrader
S-5/NSI turbo
Florida and Panama
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| Subject: | Re: Static Grounding? |
Vic,
Thanks for the tip...I am assuming IPA is isopropyl alchohol?
Dan
Vic Baker <vr_baker@nvbell.net> wrote:
Dan
One member set his wing on fire using that procedure. Another member suggested
a 50/50 mix of IPA and dist H2O. I used that method with excellent results.
About grounding, I tried running wires to the frame or spars and to the paint
gun. Gave up on that, too much trouble. The IPA/H2O wipedown generated no
static charge - which is good here in dry Nevada.
Vic
Vic Baker
Carson City, Nv
K-7 912S Warp 80%
----- Original Message -----
From: Dan Billingsley
To: kitfox-list
Sent: Saturday, July 07, 2007 8:16 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Static Grounding?
This morning I started the process of wiping the 2210 solvent over my first coat
of Poly Spray which generated a serious amount of static electric poping.
I'm sure this has come up before, but I was wondering if anyone has used a grounding
method while doing this? I was able to see the 4th fireworks and just not
interested in an encore :>)
Thanks,
Dan B
Mesa, AZ
KF-IV
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List">http://www.matronhref="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel Transfer |
At 09:38 AM 7/6/2007, you wrote:
>I am having trouble getting fuel from my wing tanks to transfer to
>the main tank. I put forward facing tubes from the fuel caps into
>the airstream but they don't seem to pressurize the tanks enough to
>permit transfer.
Unfortunately, the forward facing vents do not usually promote
transfer as they pressurize the system end to end. They do increase
the pressure at the outlet, which is good, and help if there is some
kind of obstruction that generates a significant internal pressure drop.
>I was thinking of putting siphon bulbs such as from boat remote
>tanks into the fuel lines in the cabin. I would appreciate any other ideas.
As offered by others, first go through and check your lines. Pull
both ends and blow. Any significant resistance should be checked out.
There have been fuel lines that swelled shut internally, with no
evidence externally. If everything checks out, check your line sizes.
I use 3/8" from the wing tanks to the header and on to the fuel
valve. From there I go to 1/4" to the pump and on to the carbs. The
exception is that my header vent is 1/4". Check your routing for
losses. These will be in the form of excessive line length, too many
elbows, too many junctions. You already heard about the filters. I
wouldn't take such an extreme position, but I would recommend that
any filter in the gravity side of the system have a negligible
pressure drop. (I.e. use BIG filters. I use a huge race car filter
just after my header tank.) I think the ideal fuel line is bent
aluminum tube. You can use large sizes, the inside is smooth, bends
are smooth, it lasts a long time, (assuming it's mounted correctly,)
and it's light. It's also pretty easy to install.
Guy Buchanan
San Diego, CA
K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 100% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar.
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At 07:07 AM 7/7/2007, you wrote:
>This is the second windshield that I have had to replace due to this
>problem. This second one is only about three years old and had
>almost no crazing prior to cracking.
>I hope this new preformed one doesn't have the same stresses.
When my plane was built, the owner used .110" ? and heat formed it
into place. He did this by installing the windshield over the
skylight, then bagging the entire windshield and structure with
"space blankets". He then installed a section of dryer hose and blew
hot air into the dryer hose. I think he got the whole thing up to
about 180F and was able to draw the forward sections into shape using
gentle pressure. I'd check on the forming temperature, or else just
keep heating until the windscreen gets satisfactorily soft. You have
to be careful to keep the upper forward corners round and not kink
the windscreen over the forward carry-through tube. You do this by
"lifting" the forward edge while bending it into place.
Guy Buchanan
San Diego, CA
K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 100% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar.
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| Subject: | Re: Static Grounding? |
Right Dan,
Isopropyl alcohol.
Vic Baker
Carson City, Nv
K-7 912S Warp 80%
----- Original Message -----
From: Dan Billingsley
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, July 07, 2007 9:27 AM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Static Grounding?
Vic,
Thanks for the tip...I am assuming IPA is isopropyl alchohol?
Dan
Vic Baker <vr_baker@nvbell.net> wrote:
Dan
One member set his wing on fire using that procedure. Another
member suggested a 50/50 mix of IPA and dist H2O. I used that method
with excellent results.
About grounding, I tried running wires to the frame or spars and to
the paint gun. Gave up on that, too much trouble. The IPA/H2O
wipedown generated no static charge - which is good here in dry Nevada.
Vic
Vic Baker
Carson City, Nv
K-7 912S Warp 80%
----- Original Message -----
From: Dan Billingsley
To: kitfox-list
Sent: Saturday, July 07, 2007 8:16 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Static Grounding?
This morning I started the process of wiping the 2210 solvent over
my first coat of Poly Spray which generated a serious amount of static
electric poping. I'm sure
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| Subject: | Kitfox Continental O-200 powered |
Hi from Brazil, SA. I have a O-200 engine "0 SMOH" ready to use, and
I=B4m looking for a good project for this. I=B4m thinking to find a
Kitfox V because is a classic-fashioned and a fast aircraft.
I would like to know what is your opinion about this aircraft wit O-200
Continental engine. in this aircraft. Performance, cruise airspeed, gas
consuption... Who has a O-200 Kitfox powered? Could you send me some
engine installed and cowling photos? Thanks a lot.
Francisco Drovetta
S=E3o Paulo, Brazil
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| Subject: | Re: Static Grounding? |
I connected a copper braided strap to the wing spar, and let the
other end dangle on the cement floor, which I wetted down before all
wiping and painting operations. Before I did this, I had to keep one
hand on the fabric-covered part, and the other hand doing the wiping,
or I'd get some serious "zaps" whenever I touched the part with my
free hand.
Lynn Matteson
Grass Lake, Michigan
Kitfox IV Speedster w/Jabiru 2200
flying w/369+ hrs
On Jul 7, 2007, at 11:16 AM, Dan Billingsley wrote:
> This morning I started the process of wiping the 2210 solvent over
> my first coat of Poly Spray which generated a serious amount of
> static electric poping. I'm sure this has come up before, but I was
> wondering if anyone has used a grounding method while doing this? I
> was able to see the 4th fireworks and just not interested in an
> encore :>)
> Thanks,
> Dan B
> Mesa, AZ
> KF-IV
> www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List _-
> ===========================================================
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| Subject: | Re: M1 to M2 wings? |
No response yet. Perhaps this question can be answered by people with
either a model 1 or model 2 construction experience. If someone with
either could answer with the basic details of spar construction that
would be helpful. I might be able to draw some conclusions from several
individual replies.
Thanks,
Rexinator wrote:
> Can a model 1 wing replace a model 2 wing?
> Given that the model 1 gross is 850 lbs. and the model 2 gross is 950
> lbs. what part if any within the wing structure must be changed to
> convert a model 1 wing to a model 2?
>
--
Rex Hefferan
SE Colorado / K-II / 582-C / still waiting repairs
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| Subject: | Model 4 door gas strut parts |
I need the door bracket and balls for the passenger side door. Any one know where
I could get them?
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Giovanni Day
Model 4 speedster 912
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=122693#122693
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| Subject: | Re: Model 4 door gas strut parts |
At 07:21 PM 7/7/2007, you wrote:
>I need the door bracket and balls for the passenger side door. Any
>one know where I could get them?
If nobody has the stock items, I fabricated some out of Guden parts
and 4130 tubing. Let me know and I'll send drawings.
Guy Buchanan
San Diego, CA
K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 100% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar.
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