---------------------------------------------------------- Kitfox-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Mon 07/09/07: 62 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 12:08 AM - Re: Static port trouble (Michel Verheughe) 2. 03:23 AM - Re: Re: Model 4 door gas strut parts (michael paton) 3. 04:47 AM - Re: Trim failure (W Duke) 4. 05:47 AM - Re: Arlington 2007 (Mark Miller) 5. 06:08 AM - Re: Anybody selling a kitfox IV-1200? (Don & Betty Stevenson) 6. 06:26 AM - Re: Trim failure (kitfoxmike) 7. 06:36 AM - Re: Re: Model 4 door gas strut parts () 8. 06:37 AM - Re: Trim failure (n85ae) 9. 06:48 AM - Re: nav lights and strobes (Rick) 10. 06:52 AM - Re: Static port trouble () 11. 07:16 AM - Re: Static port trouble (Guy Buchanan) 12. 07:28 AM - Gary's most excellent Kitfox adventure (and Aerocet Gear Problem) (kitfoxjunky) 13. 07:37 AM - Re: Kitfox list: series 6 line drawings (john oakley) 14. 07:41 AM - Re: Static port trouble (Noel Loveys) 15. 08:16 AM - Re: Static port trouble (Giovanni Day) 16. 08:42 AM - Re: windshield/Enougth already (flier) 17. 08:42 AM - Re: Model 4 door gas strut parts (Giovanni Day) 18. 08:45 AM - Re: nav lights and strobes (Giovanni Day) 19. 09:32 AM - Re: Kitfox list: series 6 line drawings (Lynn Matteson) 20. 09:35 AM - Re: Re: nav lights and strobes (Rick) 21. 09:36 AM - Re: Gary's most excellent Kitfox adventure (and Aerocet Gear Pro (akflyer) 22. 10:34 AM - Muffler problems (Clem Nichols) 23. 10:35 AM - Re: Re: nav lights and strobes (Rick) 24. 11:40 AM - Flaperon fixation rivets (Michel Verheughe) 25. 11:46 AM - Re: Re: Gary's most excellent Kitfox adventure (and Aerocet Gear Pro (kitfoxjunky) 26. 12:46 PM - Re: Re: Static port trouble (Noel Loveys) 27. 12:54 PM - Re: Re: Model 4 door gas strut parts (Andy Fultz) 28. 01:31 PM - Line drawings () 29. 01:38 PM - Re: Flaperon fixation rivets (kurt schrader) 30. 02:02 PM - Re: Arlington 2007 (jdmcbean) 31. 02:10 PM - Re: Flaperon fixation rivets (Michel Verheughe) 32. 02:35 PM - Re: Muffler problems (kurt schrader) 33. 02:54 PM - Flaperon Film Remover () 34. 03:30 PM - Re: Re: Static port trouble (kirk hull) 35. 03:36 PM - Re: Static port trouble (Giovanni Day) 36. 03:46 PM - Wanted Model 4 radiator speed faring (Giovanni Day) 37. 03:48 PM - Re: Muffler problems (Clem Nichols) 38. 03:49 PM - Re: Static port trouble (wingnut) 39. 03:54 PM - Re: Static port trouble (Giovanni Day) 40. 04:12 PM - Re: NSI normal asperated oil blowoff (kurt schrader) 41. 04:20 PM - Re: Flaperon fixation rivets (Lowell Fitt) 42. 04:25 PM - Re: Re: Static port trouble (kurt schrader) 43. 05:13 PM - FW: NSI normal asperated oil blowoff (Peter Graichen) 44. 05:13 PM - Re: Re: Static port trouble (Lowell Fitt) 45. 05:20 PM - NSI normal asperated oil blowoff (and muffler) (fox5flyer) 46. 05:31 PM - Re: NSI normal asperated oil blowoff (Clem Nichols) 47. 05:39 PM - Re: NSI normal asperated oil blowoff (Clem Nichols) 48. 06:13 PM - Starting problems (also: I passed my check ride!) (wingnut) 49. 07:14 PM - Re: Static port trouble (Giovanni Day) 50. 07:15 PM - VW Kitfox Flyers (Paul Morel) 51. 07:46 PM - Re: Starting problems (also: I passed my check ride!) (Noel Loveys) 52. 08:32 PM - Re: Re: Static port trouble (kurt schrader) 53. 08:32 PM - Re: Starting problems (also: I passed my check ride!) (Giovanni Day) 54. 08:34 PM - Re: VW Kitfox Flyers (Giovanni Day) 55. 08:38 PM - Re: Starting problems (also: I passed my check ride!) (wingnut) 56. 08:38 PM - Re: NSI normal asperated oil blowoff (and muffler) (kurt schrader) 57. 08:44 PM - Re: Starting problems (also: I passed my check ride!) (Giovanni Day) 58. 08:57 PM - Re: VW Kitfox Flyers (jeff puls) 59. 09:32 PM - Re: VW Kitfox Flyers/Rons update (ron schick) 60. 09:52 PM - Re: Re: Starting problems (also: I passed my check ride!) (Guy Buchanan) 61. 09:52 PM - Re: Starting problems (also: I passed my check ride!) (Guy Buchanan) 62. 09:52 PM - Re: Re: Static port trouble (Guy Buchanan) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 12:08:22 AM PST US From: Michel Verheughe Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Static port trouble > From: Giovanni Day [thedays@mchsi.com] > What where are most of you getting your static air? Hello Giovanni, As Lowell says, your static port position is what Skystar (and Denney, before) recommended. I have mine at the same place although I read an average of 5 MPH higher speed. My VVI is just fine and I have a problem to understand how yours is showing all the time a descent. If I am not mistaking, the VVI is a "bleeding" instrument, i.e. it shows a change in pressure that resets with time when the pressure become constant. If you show a constant descent, it means that it is constantly changing pressure ... which is impossible. So I don't think your static port is the cause of your "constant descent" but maybe your instrument needs calibrating. Cheers, Michel Verheughe Norway Kitfox 3 - Jabiru 2200
________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 03:23:13 AM PST US From: michael paton Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Model 4 door gas strut parts I dont want to bad mouth skystar , but i have also had a reluctant approch to my small need , sothing that affects us all, 9J-FOX series 5 912 S akflyer wrote: occom wrote: > I've never had a situation yet where a call or email to Kitfox has not > resulted in the parts being available. > > Dave Goddard- Mod IV 1050/582 > do not archive > > --- I called John to see about getting a set for my Avid...he is less than enthusiastic about making anything for anything earlier than a mod. IV...I was ready to pay for them, but no joy.. I was told that the drawings for them were somewhere but he was not sure where and not sure if he could find them blah blah blah.. -------- Leonard Perry Soldotna AK Avid "C" / Mk IV 582 IVO IFA Full Lotus 1260 95% complete Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=122772#122772 --------------------------------- Expecting? Get great news right away with email Auto-Check. Try the Yahoo! Mail Beta. ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 04:47:35 AM PST US From: W Duke Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Trim failure Mine did it too. The Eaton switch that came with my kit and that I still use can be disassembled (careful, small parts inside) and the contacts cleaned to fix the problem. Maxwell S6 TD IO240 Joel wrote: Yesterday I flew my model 5 to 14,000 feet and was still climbing at better than 200 FPM. My altitude was verified by ATC at 13k on the way up. After a stop at Port Townsend International I returned to my home field to find the nose up trim was not working. Back on the ground I verified that the trim motor would run in the nose down direction to the limit but would not run at all in the nose up direction. Searchng through the archives I find two likely suspects; the trim switch or the actuator motor armature. I have 50 hours total on the plane. My question is which is more likely to be the culprit? Thanks, -------- Joel Mapes Kitfox 5 912 ULS Aerocomp amphibs Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=122781#122781 --------------------------------- Fussy? Opinionated? Impossible to please? Perfect. Join Yahoo!'s user panel and lay it on us. ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 05:47:04 AM PST US From: "Mark Miller" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Arlington 2007 Malcolm I Will watch for the Blond Mark Miller ----- Original Message ----- From: Malcolmbru@aol.com To: kitfox-list@matronics.com Sent: Sunday, July 08, 2007 7:05 PM Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Arlington 2007 I have a friend going to Arlington, you cant miss him his name is Lavern and he has long red hair and the biggest handlebar mustache you have ever seen.; his girlfriend is a beautiful blond they drove there from Florida. when you see him please tell him Malcolm will see him at Oshkosh mal michigan ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- See what's free at AOL.com. ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 06:08:59 AM PST US From: Don & Betty Stevenson Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Anybody selling a kitfox IV-1200? Hi Larry, contact me off list, I may have what you are looking for, Don. shericom@rogers.com 905-838-5283 lpfrank18 wrote: Clean Clean DocumentEmail MicrosoftInternetExplorer4 /* Style Definitions */ table.MsoNormalTable {mso-style-name:"Table Normal"; mso-tstyle-rowband-size:0; mso-tstyle-colband-size:0; mso-style-noshow:yes; mso-style-parent:""; mso-padding-alt:0in 5.4pt 0in 5.4pt; mso-para-margin:0in; mso-para-margin-bottom:.0001pt; mso-pagination:widow-orphan; font-size:10.0pt; font-family:"Times New Roman";} Hi, Looking for one .32 foot wing.rotax engine.etc Larry 954 673 1896 Thanks ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 06:26:18 AM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Trim failure From: "kitfoxmike" Sounds like it's your switch, I would just buy a new one and move on. As far as the ray allen, if you are using the grip with 4 buttons on top, I like mine only for the up trim, I have it on the button to the back, I end up using the button on the dash for the down, sure the one on the stick is hooked up, but it takes a bit of stretching to get the thumb to the down button. This is probably because the control stick is bent, and the normal possision of the stick when flying is a bit forward angled. As far as durability, no problem with mine and I have about 600 hrs on this setup. I did have problems with there relay deck, on the second one I wrapped it in bubble wrap and then stuck it on the back of the panel. seems to be working fine now. Of course when I do touches I just leave the trim in one spot throughout the pattern work. -------- kitfoxmike model IV, 1200 speedster 912ul building RV7a slowbuild wings, fuse, finish kit "if you're not getting razzed from pilots or the FAA then you're not flying enough" Do not archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=122831#122831 ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 06:36:52 AM PST US From: Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Model 4 door gas strut parts haveyou considered a one piece door lock? Williams Aviation.com has them for $75/pair. Leon Morris/Classic4(94)/50%/Flower Mound,TX ---- akflyer wrote: > > > occom wrote: > > I've never had a situation yet where a call or email to Kitfox has not > > resulted in the parts being available. > > > > Dave Goddard- Mod IV 1050/582 > > do not archive > > > > --- > > > I called John to see about getting a set for my Avid...he is less than enthusiastic about making anything for anything earlier than a mod. IV...I was ready to pay for them, but no joy.. > I was told that the drawings for them were somewhere but he was not sure where and not sure if he could find them blah blah blah.. > > -------- > Leonard Perry > Soldotna AK > Avid "C" / Mk IV > 582 IVO IFA > Full Lotus 1260 > 95% complete > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=122772#122772 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 06:37:37 AM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Trim failure From: "n85ae" My vote is the Armature. Mine failed that way, and when you take it apart and see how cruddy those things get inside, you'll be just like me and cleaning it every other year or so just for peace of mind. Jeff Hays Series 5, IO-240B Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=122834#122834 ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 06:48:31 AM PST US From: "Rick" Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: nav lights and strobes You can do that and I did. But you can also put together a magnificent system for a fraction of the cost by using an automotive system designed for emergency vehicles. I was able to mount mine behind the pilot seat. May have a pic up loaded. I have lots of strobe wire a new bulbs on my shelf collecting dust. I could do the star burst comet flash, single flash , double, turn the one off on the wing tips, had strobes on the top bottom and tips with stations to spare. It all up to you. Rick -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Giovanni Day Sent: Sunday, July 08, 2007 8:47 PM Subject: Kitfox-List: nav lights and strobes What are most people using for nav/strobe lights? Any one used the AEROFLASH brand? -------- _______________________________________ Giovanni Day Model 4 speedster 912 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=122803#122803 3:26 PM 6:32 PM ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 06:52:35 AM PST US From: Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Static port trouble I installed a pitot/static tube (Aircrraft Spruce $15) with is suppose to do away with those problems.---Leon Morris/Classic 4/50%/Flower Mound,TX Giovanni Day wrote: > > I put my static port in the back just in front of the tail on the pilot side. My vertical speed reads that I am descending all the time and the airspeed reads low. I remove the static and they get better but the vertical speed is dampened for some reason. The air speed is not far off with the cockpit pressure. What where are most of you getting your static air? > > -------- > _______________________________________ > Giovanni Day > Model 4 speedster 912 > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=122801#122801 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 07:16:20 AM PST US From: Guy Buchanan Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Static port trouble At 08:37 PM 7/8/2007, you wrote: >What where are most of you getting your static air? Mine is in your location and my airspeed reads about 10% low. My altimeter and encoder has been checked by the avionics shop and found to be satisfactorily accurate so my airspeed error is in the pitot side. (My pitot is left wing, near the strut outboard fitting, about 6" below and 10" behind the leading edge. It's been checked for leaks so the problem is position error.) The "damping" you see in the cockpit mode is likely a fairly well sealed cockpit slowly bleeding air in and out. (Hard to imagine in a IV!) Michel and Lowell have already mentioned that the VSI just needs adjustment. I'm assuming, of course, that the VSI reads low on the ground, as well. Guy Buchanan San Diego, CA K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 100% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar. ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 07:28:02 AM PST US From: kitfoxjunky Subject: Kitfox-List: Gary's most excellent Kitfox adventure (and Aerocet Gear Problem) Took a trip up North (Ontario Canada) with a couple of other anphib drivers on Father's day. Had an absolute blast. The weather was incredible..with a tailwind going up and another coming back. One of my main gears did not lock when I arrived back at home base. Non-issue really, as the plane tracked fine on landing and there was no damage. If you have the Aerocet 1100 anphibs you will want to scroll to the bottom of the page and check out the pictures and video that expose the problem. Check your gear and you may avoid having to replace the wear strip on the float. If you do not have floats but you have thought about adding floats to your plane you may want to check out the pictures and video clips for fun. Two of the three planes have the Aerocet 1100 anphibs..the third full lotus anphibs. Cheers, Gary Walsh KF IV Anphib 912S C-GOOT www.decisionlabs.com/kitfox do not archive ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 07:37:49 AM PST US From: "john oakley" Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Kitfox list: series 6 line drawings Kevin Cozik, What a great looking plane. I have been looking at the floats you have hoping to replace the Aerocet floats I sold Dan Denny several years ago. John Oakley ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 07:41:22 AM PST US From: "Noel Loveys" Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Static port trouble I have a single port at what is almost the widest part of the plane (just in front of the door) I have considered putting a second port opposite the existing one to balance the static port in a slip. Only problem with my location is I have to disconnect it every time I want to remove the lower main cowl. ( model III-A) Noel Loveys, RPP, AME intern Campbellton, Newfoundland, Canada Kitfox Mod III-A, 582, B box, Ivo IFA Aerocet 1100s noelloveys@yahoo.ca Do not archive > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of > Giovanni Day > Sent: Monday, July 09, 2007 1:07 AM > To: kitfox-list@matronics.com > Subject: Kitfox-List: Static port trouble > > > > I put my static port in the back just in front of the tail on > the pilot side. My vertical speed reads that I am descending > all the time and the airspeed reads low. I remove the static > and they get better but the vertical speed is dampened for > some reason. The air speed is not far off with the cockpit > pressure. What where are most of you getting your static air? > > -------- > _______________________________________ > Giovanni Day > Model 4 speedster 912 > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=122801#122801 > > > ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 08:16:31 AM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Static port trouble From: "Giovanni Day" Thanks for the replies. I believe my problem is that the static port is under a constant pressure. For some reason it is catching air like a pitot tube. I have checked to make sure the pitot and static are not reversed. I will zero the VSI in level flight and see what it does then. As suggested I will try and not concern myself with the airspeed error as it is a constant error so all my V speeds will be based on indicated not actual. Heck I have a Garmin 296 and it gives a good VSI and ground speed indication but I just wanted to have the VSI close. My Static port is very thick like an Oreo cookie and I am now concerned this is the problem. I will take a photo and post it this evening for everyones opinion. Thanks again. -------- _______________________________________ Giovanni Day Model 4 speedster 912 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=122858#122858 ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 08:42:27 AM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: windshield/Enougth already From: "flier" I'm on my second flat one that's been installed now over 6 years. I installed it on a typical hot Texas summer day and used a heat gun on the two upper curves to help relieve the stress. Very little crazing and no cracks. I'm sure it'll be good for another few years. IMHO installing the lexan on a cool day probably exacerbates the crazing later on... Regards, Ted 962TC IV-1200 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=122862#122862 ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 08:42:34 AM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Model 4 door gas strut parts From: "Giovanni Day" AS far as the new Skystar owners go, I can understand the trouble with supplying a small part that has to be fabed for an aircraft they do not produce anymore. It is likely not cost effective. I will just make one myself if i need to. I guess I just need the drawings. I guess I could make more than one if needed by other. I will not be in a hurray though as I have one on the pilot side and fly solo most of the time. -------- _______________________________________ Giovanni Day Model 4 speedster 912 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=122863#122863 ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 08:45:17 AM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: nav lights and strobes From: "Giovanni Day" Rick What is the current draw of your system. I do not want to overload my electrical system. Post some links to photos. -------- _______________________________________ Giovanni Day Model 4 speedster 912 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=122865#122865 ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 09:32:26 AM PST US From: Lynn Matteson Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Kitfox list: series 6 line drawings Congratulations, Kevin....I've watched the progress over the last few months, whenever I'd stop by Mason-Jewett and see Jack. Looks great! Lynn Matteson Grass Lake, Michigan Kitfox IV Speedster w/Jabiru 2200 flying w/369+ hrs do not archive On Jul 8, 2007, at 10:55 PM, Kevin Cozik wrote: > Hi all, > My airplane is scheduled for inspection on July 20th after almost 4 > years of > part time building. After sending the program letter, paperwork > and photos > to the inspector, he has asked me to forward a 3 view line drawing > as well. > Anyone have one they can email to me? I would think a model 5 > would work as > well. > Thanks for all the help. > Kevin Cozik > Series 6 Rotax 914 turbo > Czech amphibs. > Laingsburg Michigan ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 09:35:36 AM PST US From: "Rick" Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re: nav lights and strobes I don=92t remember. Manufacturer of what you select will have specific draws. More strobes more draw, not sure what your 912 system or batter capacity is. I liked to be seen. Ran them day and night. Guess there is always limits to ever application. I had a 50A alternator and ran big ballast battery in the rear. Could have run on the battery with everything on and run out of fuel first. Good luck. Rick -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Giovanni Day Sent: Monday, July 09, 2007 8:45 AM Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: nav lights and strobes Rick What is the current draw of your system. I do not want to overload my electrical system. Post some links to photos. -------- _______________________________________ Giovanni Day Model 4 speedster 912 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=122865#122865 6:32 PM 6:32 PM ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 09:36:49 AM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Gary's most excellent Kitfox adventure (and Aerocet Gear Pro From: "akflyer" Gary, I just spent a good part of the morning going over your site checking out adventures and vids! Great reading and vids... this is what it is all about! Nothing like gettings a few planes together and going out to remote places for some peace and quiet and lots of BS and brews. -------- Leonard Perry Soldotna AK Avid "C" / Mk IV 582 IVO IFA Full Lotus 1260 95% complete Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=122872#122872 ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 10:34:41 AM PST US From: "Clem Nichols" Subject: Kitfox-List: Muffler problems I've just returned from a muffler shop after having the "tail pipe" on my NSI EA81's muffler patched for the third time. The fellow at the shop says the problem is due to the fact that the material used in making it is too thin for the heat being generated. Obviously the only stress on that portion of the exhaust is wind generated and what's produced by heating and cooling. I seem to recall previous mention of a similar or perhaps the same problem by others in this group, and was wondering if anyone had come up with a satisfactory solution. Does anyone know if the muffler provided with the Stratus or RAM conversion could be used without modification? Thanks Clem Nichols Model IV 1200 NSI Subaru EA81 Munfordville, Ky. ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 10:35:08 AM PST US From: "Rick" Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re: nav lights and strobes My apologies the first attachment was not suppose to be attached....my bad. Rick 6:32 PM ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 11:40:20 AM PST US From: Michel Verheughe Subject: Kitfox-List: Flaperon fixation rivets Hello Kitfoxer, On behalf of Jean-Claude, a French Kitfox owner with limited English knowledge, I'd like to ask a question. He tells me that the the pop rivets fixing the link between the wing and the flaperon are coming loose on the under side of the wing but not on the top. He wonders if I know the reason and an eventual remedy. Because I didn't build my Kitfox myself, I can't answer but ... I can forward the question! :-) He said he'll forward photos but I already ask you guys because in three days, I'll be off on holidays, for two weeks. No, not flying, unfortunately, but in our brand new RV we just bought. We'll visit my old country: Belgium ... and anything else in between! :-) Thanks in advance, Michel Verheughe Norway Kitfox 3 - Jabiru 2200 ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 11:46:01 AM PST US From: kitfoxjunky Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Gary's most excellent Kitfox adventure (and Aerocet Gear Pro Glad you enjoyed the post. It was a lot of fun. Gary Walsh KF IV Anphib 912S C-GOOT www.decisionlabs.com/kitfox do not archive Gary, I just spent a good part of the morning going over your site checking out adventures and vids! Great reading and vids... this is what it is all about! Nothing like gettings a few planes together and going out to remote places for some peace and quiet and lots of BS and brews. -------- Leonard Perry Soldotna AK Avid "C" / Mk IV 582 IVO IFA Full Lotus 1260 95% complete Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=122872#122872 ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 12:46:17 PM PST US From: "Noel Loveys" Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re: Static port trouble If your static and pitot were reversed the ASI would try to read negative... VSI would also try to reverse. I did see one plumbed this way and mentioned it to the guy who couldn't believe he made so simple a mistake.... Luckily he didn't try to fly like that. Calibrate the VSI on the ground. The best place to know the plane is neither going up or down. Also easier to do than fly the plane and fiddle with a screwdriver at the same time. :-) Noel Loveys, RPP, AME intern Campbellton, Newfoundland, Canada Kitfox Mod III-A, 582, B box, Ivo IFA Aerocet 1100s noelloveys@yahoo.ca Do not archive > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of > Giovanni Day > Sent: Monday, July 09, 2007 12:46 PM > To: kitfox-list@matronics.com > Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Static port trouble > > > > Thanks for the replies. > > > I believe my problem is that the static port is under a > constant pressure. For some reason it is catching air like a > pitot tube. I have checked to make sure the pitot and static > are not reversed. > > I will zero the VSI in level flight and see what it does > then. As suggested I will try and not concern myself with > the airspeed error as it is a constant error so all my V > speeds will be based on indicated not actual. Heck I have a > Garmin 296 and it gives a good VSI and ground speed > indication but I just wanted to have the VSI close. > > My Static port is very thick like an Oreo cookie and I am now > concerned this is the problem. I will take a photo and post > it this evening for everyones opinion. > > Thanks again. > > -------- > _______________________________________ > Giovanni Day > Model 4 speedster 912 > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=122858#122858 > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 12:54:15 PM PST US From: "Andy Fultz" Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re: Model 4 door gas strut parts If you want AVID parts get in touch with Steve Winder at AIRDALE.COM. If it's AVID and you want it, he can supply it. Andy Fultz AVID SPEEDWING -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of akflyer Sent: Sunday, July 08, 2007 6:50 PM Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Model 4 door gas strut parts occom wrote: > I've never had a situation yet where a call or email to Kitfox has not > resulted in the parts being available. > > Dave Goddard- Mod IV 1050/582 > do not archive > > --- I called John to see about getting a set for my Avid...he is less than enthusiastic about making anything for anything earlier than a mod. IV...I was ready to pay for them, but no joy.. I was told that the drawings for them were somewhere but he was not sure where and not sure if he could find them blah blah blah.. -------- Leonard Perry Soldotna AK Avid "C" / Mk IV 582 IVO IFA Full Lotus 1260 95% complete Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=122772#122772 ________________________________ Message 28 ____________________________________ Time: 01:31:13 PM PST US From: Subject: Kitfox-List: Line drawings Thanks to everyone with compliments of my kitfox and to those who sent along the needed line drawings. I hope it flys as good as it looks! Kevin series 6 rotax 914 czech amphibs Laingsburg Michigan On Mon Jul 9 15:49 , 'Andy Fultz' sent: > >If you want AVID parts get in touch with Steve Winder at AIRDALE.COM. If >it's AVID and you want it, he can supply it. > >Andy Fultz >AVID SPEEDWING > > >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com >[owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com','','','')">owner-kitfox-list- server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of akflyer >Sent: Sunday, July 08, 2007 6:50 PM >To: kitfox-list@matronics.com >Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Model 4 door gas strut parts > > > > >occom wrote: >> I've never had a situation yet where a call or email to Kitfox has not >> resulted in the parts being available. >> >> Dave Goddard- Mod IV 1050/582 >> do not archive >> >> --- > > >I called John to see about getting a set for my Avid...he is less than >enthusiastic about making anything for anything earlier than a mod. IV...I >was ready to pay for them, but no joy.. >I was told that the drawings for them were somewhere but he was not sure >where and not sure if he could find them blah blah blah.. > >-------- >Leonard Perry >Soldotna AK >Avid "C" / Mk IV >582 IVO IFA >Full Lotus 1260 >95% complete > > >Read this topic online here: > >http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php\?p=122772#122772 > > ________________________________ Message 29 ____________________________________ Time: 01:38:09 PM PST US From: kurt schrader Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Flaperon fixation rivets --- Michel Verheughe wrote: > Hello Kitfoxer, > On behalf of Jean-Claude...... > > He tells me that the the pop rivets fixing the link > between the wing and the flaperon are coming loose > on the under side of the wing but not on the top. > He wonders if I know the reason and an eventual > remedy.... > > Thanks in advance, > > Michel Verheughe > Norway > Kitfox 3 - Jabiru 2200 Hi Michel, There are some differences between KitFox models in how the flapperons were attached. What model does he have? Next, it is a good idea to install backing plates in the tails of each rib that the flapperon brackets attach to so that the rivets will not pull thru the wood ribs. A simple piece of alum that is bent on 2 sides to fit agains the rib web and top and bottom caps works well. Do both sides of the rib web. But you have to glue them down well, then drill the rivet holes slowly so as not to break one loose after covering. That holds the rivets much better than the wood does alone. Don't use thin alum here. Make it strong. One thing that can break the bottoms free first is pulling flaps down at too high a speed, or retracting them too late after takeoff. That is when the bending force on the brackets is highest and it pulls the bottoms while pushing the tops. The bottom pulling force is the weaker link, but once loose, the tops will follow. Hard, large control movements at higher speeds also put a big load on the brackets. To repair these now is difficult without recovering. Jean-Claude could pull both wing tips off and look at his flapperon brackets near the tips to see what is wrong for sure. But he needs to fix it right away, or he could get flutter or seperation of a flapperon in flight. If it has only wood and the rivets are pulling thru, I don't think installing oversized rivets will last long. Besides there is only so much metal width to work with, or you weakened the thin brackets. Inspection plates installed near each bracket rib might allow repair without recovering. Removing the old rivets, epoxy repair the wood ribs, install backing plates, redrilling and reinstalling the brackets is how I would do it. If he can do this thru inspection plates, that is good. If not, he needs to fully repair and recover the wings. Maybe someone else has another way or experience that will do better? Kurt Schrader S-5/NSI turbo Florida and panama Yahoo! oneSearch: Finally, mobile search that gives answers, not web links. http://mobile.yahoo.com/mobileweb/onesearch?refer=1ONXIC ________________________________ Message 30 ____________________________________ Time: 02:02:38 PM PST US From: "jdmcbean" Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Arlington 2007 Will say HI !! Mal Fly Safe !! John & Debra McBean 208.337.5111 www.kitfoxaircraft.com "It's not how Fast... It's how Fun!" -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Malcolmbru@aol.com Sent: Sunday, July 08, 2007 7:06 PM Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Arlington 2007 I have a friend going to Arlington, you cant miss him his name is Lavern and he has long red hair and the biggest handlebar mustache you have ever seen.; his girlfriend is a beautiful blond they drove there from Florida. when you see him please tell him Malcolm will see him at Oshkosh mal michigan _____ See what's free at AOL.com . 6:32 PM ________________________________ Message 31 ____________________________________ Time: 02:10:42 PM PST US From: Michel Verheughe Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Flaperon fixation rivets Hello Kurt, On Jul 9, 2007, at 10:37 PM, kurt schrader wrote: > What model does he have? I don't remember but it is certainly a model 3 or 4. Nearly all European Kitfoxes are 3 or 4; I don't know why. Anyway, what you write makes a lot of sense and I will translate and forward it to Jean-Claude. Thanks again. Cheers, Michel Verheughe Norway Kitfox 3 - Jabiru 2200 Do not archive ________________________________ Message 32 ____________________________________ Time: 02:35:39 PM PST US From: kurt schrader Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Muffler problems --- Clem Nichols wrote: > I've just returned from a muffler shop after having > the "tail pipe" on my NSI EA81's muffler patched for > the third time..... Hi Clem! I know us turbo Soob guys switched to new exhausts. Not sure what the normally asperated ones did. But you can contact RAM engines and see what a tuned exhaust for your engine would cost. http://ramengines.com/index.html They seem to do pretty well for quality. You may have to complete the exhaust from the header out of the cowl though. Not sure what they have for it. I only see the header in the pics. The exhausts for the turbo Soobs has a slip joint in the middle to deal with heat expansion. I don't know if this exhaust fits your engine, but, made for the turbo, it isn't tuned either. Ours were made in Wisconsin for about $500. You might do better with the one from RAM. Kurt Schrader S-5/NSI turbo Florida and Panama Moody friends. Drama queens. Your life? Nope! - their life, your story. Play Sims Stories at Yahoo! Games. http://sims.yahoo.com/ ________________________________ Message 33 ____________________________________ Time: 02:54:13 PM PST US From: Subject: Kitfox-List: Flaperon Film Remover Just finished removing the film from one flaperon with a srtipper I would reccomend.Got it at Lowe's for $9.00. Called " JASCO Premium Paint Remover" in a gold qt. can. Brushed on,waited 5-10 mins,started at trailing edge lifting up and grabbing and pulling along and was able to pull off in 1 to 3 foot sections at a time,with no mess underneath.Just shinny aluminium.Real quick and cheap. Leon Morris/classic 4(94)/50%/Flower Mound,Tx ________________________________ Message 34 ____________________________________ Time: 03:30:04 PM PST US From: "kirk hull" Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re: Static port trouble If it is reading a constant decent you might have a leak in the case. Disconnect the static line so the inst is just open to the cabin and go flying. If it still shows a constant decent it is a bad unit _____ From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Noel Loveys Sent: Monday, July 09, 2007 2:42 PM Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re: Static port trouble If your static and pitot were reversed the ASI would try to read negative... VSI would also try to reverse. I did see one plumbed this way and mentioned it to the guy who couldn't believe he made so simple a mistake.... Luckily he didn't try to fly like that. Calibrate the VSI on the ground. The best place to know the plane is neither going up or down. Also easier to do than fly the plane and fiddle with a screwdriver at the same time. :-) Noel Loveys, RPP, AME intern Campbellton, Newfoundland, Canada Kitfox Mod III-A, 582, B box, Ivo IFA Aerocet 1100s noelloveys@yahoo.ca Do not archive > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of > Giovanni Day > Sent: Monday, July 09, 2007 12:46 PM > To: kitfox-list@matronics.com > Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Static port trouble > > > > Thanks for the replies. > > > I believe my problem is that the static port is under a > constant pressure. For some reason it is catching air like a > pitot tube. I have checked to make sure the pitot and static > are not reversed. > > I will zero the VSI in level flight and see what it does > then. As suggested I will try and not concern myself with > the airspeed error as it is a constant error so all my V > speeds will be based on indicated not actual. Heck I have a > Garmin 296 and it gives a good VSI and ground speed > indication but I just wanted to have the VSI close. > > My Static port is very thick like an Oreo cookie and I am now > concerned this is the problem. I will take a photo and post > it this evening for everyones opinion. > > Thanks again. > > -------- > _______________________________________ > Giovanni Day > Model 4 speedster 912 > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=122858#122858 > > > ========== > Kitfox-List http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List > ========== > bsp; available href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com > ========== > > > ________________________________ Message 35 ____________________________________ Time: 03:36:21 PM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Static port trouble From: "Giovanni Day" Let me clarify. It reads constant but variable decent when in flight. Not much variation though. If I disconnect the static in flight it reads 0 and only varies about 100 fpm. -------- _______________________________________ Giovanni Day Model 4 speedster 912 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=122942#122942 ________________________________ Message 36 ____________________________________ Time: 03:46:44 PM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Wanted Model 4 radiator speed faring From: "Giovanni Day" Wanted Model 4 radiator speed faring in good condition. Maybe one of you jabaru converts will have one? Thanks -------- _______________________________________ Giovanni Day Model 4 speedster 912 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=122944#122944 ________________________________ Message 37 ____________________________________ Time: 03:48:10 PM PST US From: "Clem Nichols" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Muffler problems Kurt: Nice to hear from you, and thanks for your reply. I've posted an e-mail to RAM and also Stratus, but no response so far. I hope all is well with you, and your retirement is going as planned. Clem Do Not Archive > > Hi Clem! > > I know us turbo Soob guys switched to new exhausts. > Not sure what the normally asperated ones did. But > you can contact RAM engines and see what a tuned > exhaust for your engine would cost. > > http://ramengines.com/index.html > > > Kurt Schrader > S-5/NSI turbo > Florida and Panama > > > Moody friends. Drama queens. Your life? Nope! - their life, your story. > Play Sims Stories at Yahoo! Games. > http://sims.yahoo.com/ > > > ________________________________ Message 38 ____________________________________ Time: 03:49:48 PM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Static port trouble From: "wingnut" > Let me clarify. It reads constant but variable decent when in flight. :-) Am I the only one that found that line funny? Did you mean to say that it constantly reads a descent but the rate varies? I don't mean to be cheeky but I have some interest in this thread as I too am trying trying to sort out some vacuum system quirks. -------- Luis Rodriguez Model IV 1200 Rotax 912UL Flying Weekly Laurens, SC (34A) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=122945#122945 ________________________________ Message 39 ____________________________________ Time: 03:54:26 PM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Static port trouble From: "Giovanni Day" You got it. When in flight it consistently give an 600-800 fpm decent. [Embarassed] LOL However when the airplane is at rest it reads zero. -------- _______________________________________ Giovanni Day Model 4 speedster 912 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=122947#122947 ________________________________ Message 40 ____________________________________ Time: 04:12:40 PM PST US From: kurt schrader Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: NSI normal asperated oil blowoff Hi again Clem, Retirement plans? I was suppose to plan this??? Ha ha Anyway I have a question for you and any other Soob guys who may have their oil tank on the firewall. Another Soob KF driver has this firewall oil tank with his NSI and it blows a good bit of oil out his tank vent line. I don't have this. Mine has the auto oil pan instead, so I am not sure if this problem has been resolved previously or not. So have any of you had a lot of oil blow out of your tank and how did you fix it? Do your valve covers vent to the oil tank, thus pressurizing it a bit? Does this tank have a baffel under the vent port? And how full is "full" for this tank? In other words, how close is the oil level to this vent port? Thanks, Kurt Schrader S-5/NSI turbo Florida and panama Food fight? Enjoy some healthy debate in the Yahoo! Answers Food & Drink Q&A. http://answers.yahoo.com/dir/?link=list&sid=396545367 ________________________________ Message 41 ____________________________________ Time: 04:20:29 PM PST US From: "Lowell Fitt" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Flaperon fixation rivets Michel, After reading Kurt's thoughts, I think he is spot on. On reading my manual, there might be an issue with the aluminum rivets. If it was overstressed and backing plates are in fact in place it might mean stretched rivets. In that case, maybe replacing the rivets one at a time might work. I would hesitate drilling then out all at once because if the backing plate are loose - mine came loose while drilling unless clamped - It would be essentially worthless as they would float out of the way and the rivets would not catch them. Lowell Fitt Cameron Park, CA Model IV-1200 R-912 UL Warp 1998 870 hrs. ----- Original Message ----- From: "kurt schrader" Sent: Monday, July 09, 2007 1:37 PM Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Flaperon fixation rivets > > > --- Michel Verheughe wrote: > >> Hello Kitfoxer, >> On behalf of Jean-Claude...... >> >> He tells me that the the pop rivets fixing the link >> between the wing and the flaperon are coming loose >> on the under side of the wing but not on the top. >> He wonders if I know the reason and an eventual >> remedy.... >> >> Thanks in advance, >> >> Michel Verheughe >> Norway >> Kitfox 3 - Jabiru 2200 > > Hi Michel, > > There are some differences between KitFox models in > how the flapperons were attached. What model does he > have? > > Next, it is a good idea to install backing plates in > the tails of each rib that the flapperon brackets > attach to so that the rivets will not pull thru the > wood ribs. A simple piece of alum that is bent on 2 > sides to fit agains the rib web and top and bottom > caps works well. Do both sides of the rib web. But > you have to glue them down well, then drill the rivet > holes slowly so as not to break one loose after > covering. That holds the rivets much better than the > wood does alone. Don't use thin alum here. Make it > strong. > > One thing that can break the bottoms free first is > pulling flaps down at too high a speed, or retracting > them too late after takeoff. That is when the bending > force on the brackets is highest and it pulls the > bottoms while pushing the tops. The bottom pulling > force is the weaker link, but once loose, the tops > will follow. > > Hard, large control movements at higher speeds also > put a big load on the brackets. > > To repair these now is difficult without recovering. > Jean-Claude could pull both wing tips off and look at > his flapperon brackets near the tips to see what is > wrong for sure. But he needs to fix it right away, or > he could get flutter or seperation of a flapperon in > flight. > > If it has only wood and the rivets are pulling thru, I > don't think installing oversized rivets will last > long. Besides there is only so much metal width to > work with, or you weakened the thin brackets. > > Inspection plates installed near each bracket rib > might allow repair without recovering. Removing the > old rivets, epoxy repair the wood ribs, install > backing plates, redrilling and reinstalling the > brackets is how I would do it. If he can do this thru > inspection plates, that is good. If not, he needs to > fully repair and recover the wings. > > Maybe someone else has another way or experience that > will do better? > > Kurt Schrader > S-5/NSI turbo > Florida and panama > > > Yahoo! oneSearch: Finally, mobile search > that gives answers, not web links. > http://mobile.yahoo.com/mobileweb/onesearch?refer=1ONXIC > > > ________________________________ Message 42 ____________________________________ Time: 04:25:15 PM PST US From: kurt schrader Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Static port trouble --- Giovanni Day wrote: > You got it. When in flight it consistently give an > 600-800 fpm decent. [Embarassed] LOL However when > the airplane is at rest it reads zero. > Giovanni Day > Model 4 speedster 912 My VSI also reads a descent in flight. It is adjusted at the upper limit to get zero on the ground, but reads 150 ft/min descent when level in flight. Pretty close compared to yours, but not perfect either. In your case, I think it may be static problems if your ASI is off too. It would also read a wrong altitude, depending on speed, but that is harder to confirm. If only the VSI is off, it is probably the gauge. A static fault anywhere in the system should throw off all gauges that use it. The static checks performed by inspectors on your gauges do not account for position error, only gauge and line quality. Only blowing air over the port will check for position error. You might try tapping a small air damn just in front of your static port. Something 1/4 inch high and an inch across about 1/2 inch in front of your port. This will create a boundry layer over the port and might make a difference. If it does, you can try different sizes of little damn until you get one just big enough to give you accuracy over your speed range. Then perminately install it. Smallest change you can make, if it is positon error. I have seen this on several production planes to correct their system. Kurt Schrader S-5/NSI turbo Florida and Panama Be a better Globetrotter. Get better travel answers from someone who knows. Yahoo! Answers - Check it out. http://answers.yahoo.com/dir/?link=list&sid=396545469 ________________________________ Message 43 ____________________________________ Time: 05:13:20 PM PST US From: "Peter Graichen" Subject: FW: Kitfox-List: NSI normal asperated oil blowoff -----Original Message----- From: Peter Graichen [mailto:n10pg@neo.rr.com] Sent: Monday, 09 July, 2007 20:05 Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: NSI normal asperated oil blowoff Hi Kurt: I drive a NSI normally asperated Subaru with the oil tank mounted on the firewall. My first question is:"What do you mean by a lot of oil blows out of his vent line" The vent line is the crank case vent. It vents moisture, oil vapors (which condense as they cool) and a soap like residue, all of which makes quite a mess on the belly of the airplane, depending where and how far back the vent line has been routed. I installed a moisture separator between the oil tank and the vent line ( I had attached a photo but it was rejected by Matronics. If you want a copy of that picture, send me your e-mail address).That solved 99% of the dirty belly problem. My valve covers are not vented. The oil tank does have a baffle under the vent port. The cap of the oil tank has an aluminum dip stick hanging from the underside of the cap. The bottom of this dip stick is the minimum oil level, and a hole drilled about 1-1/2" up from the bottom (my guess from memory) is the max oil level. If you put in more oil than that it'll blow out. If you need more info give me a call. Peter Graichen (330-923-7587) http:/home.neo.rr.com/n10pg/kitfox.htm -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of kurt schrader Sent: Monday, 09 July, 2007 19:12 Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: NSI normal asperated oil blowoff --> Hi again Clem, Retirement plans? I was suppose to plan this??? Ha ha Anyway I have a question for you and any other Soob guys who may have their oil tank on the firewall. Another Soob KF driver has this firewall oil tank with his NSI and it blows a good bit of oil out his tank vent line. I don't have this. Mine has the auto oil pan instead, so I am not sure if this problem has been resolved previously or not. So have any of you had a lot of oil blow out of your tank and how did you fix it? Do your valve covers vent to the oil tank, thus pressurizing it a bit? Does this tank have a baffel under the vent port? And how full is "full" for this tank? In other words, how close is the oil level to this vent port? Thanks, Kurt Schrader S-5/NSI turbo Florida and panama ________________________________ Message 44 ____________________________________ Time: 05:13:51 PM PST US From: "Lowell Fitt" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Static port trouble List I replied to Noel off list regarding my reason for adjusting the centering screw in flight but recent posts suggest a list wide response is appropriate. I just checked my VSI and it shows a 50 ft per minute descent sitting in the hanger - thank goodness for concrete floors. Since I rarely sit in the airplane on the ground looking at needles - engine instruments excepted, I have found it more useful to have the VSI more accurate while flying so adjusting it to zero in that invironment works best for me. It's not really easy to do, but after a tweak or two it satisfies. I do carry one of the small jewelers screwdrivers in one of the pencil clips of my kneeboard. Lowell Fitt Cameron Park, CA Model IV-1200 R-912 UL Warp 1998 870 hrs. I had to adjust mine in flight----- Original Message ----- From: "kurt schrader" Sent: Monday, July 09, 2007 4:24 PM Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Static port trouble > > > --- Giovanni Day wrote: > >> You got it. When in flight it consistently give an >> 600-800 fpm decent. [Embarassed] LOL However when >> the airplane is at rest it reads zero. > >> Giovanni Day >> Model 4 speedster 912 > > My VSI also reads a descent in flight. It is adjusted > at the upper limit to get zero on the ground, but > reads 150 ft/min descent when level in flight. Pretty > close compared to yours, but not perfect either. > > In your case, I think it may be static problems if > your ASI is off too. It would also read a wrong > altitude, depending on speed, but that is harder to > confirm. If only the VSI is off, it is probably the > gauge. A static fault anywhere in the system should > throw off all gauges that use it. > > The static checks performed by inspectors on your > gauges do not account for position error, only gauge > and line quality. Only blowing air over the port will > check for position error. > > You might try tapping a small air damn just in front > of your static port. Something 1/4 inch high and an > inch across about 1/2 inch in front of your port. > This will create a boundry layer over the port and > might make a difference. If it does, you can try > different sizes of little damn until you get one just > big enough to give you accuracy over your speed range. > Then perminately install it. > > Smallest change you can make, if it is positon error. > I have seen this on several production planes to > correct their system. > > Kurt Schrader > S-5/NSI turbo > Florida and Panama > > > Be a better Globetrotter. Get better travel answers from someone who > knows. Yahoo! Answers - Check it out. > http://answers.yahoo.com/dir/?link=list&sid=396545469 > > > ________________________________ Message 45 ____________________________________ Time: 05:20:51 PM PST US From: "fox5flyer" Subject: Kitfox-List: NSI normal asperated oil blowoff (and muffler) See embedded comments below. > Anyway I have a question for you and any other Soob > guys who may have their oil tank on the firewall. > > Another Soob KF driver has this firewall oil tank with > his NSI and it blows a good bit of oil out his tank > vent line. I don't have this. Mine has the auto oil > pan instead, so I am not sure if this problem has been > resolved previously or not. I get the normal amount of vent mist -- just enough to dirty up the belly, about the same as an 0200 would do. No actual loss of oil level. > > So have any of you had a lot of oil blow out of your > tank and how did you fix it? Yes, but only once back in the first few hours when I'd filled it too full. Made a big mess. I think it's only designed to handle about 3 quarts with the rest in the engine and oil filter. > > Do your valve covers vent to the oil tank, thus > pressurizing it a bit? No. > > Does this tank have a baffel under the vent port? Yes and it works well, but not when you have too much oil in it. Lots of engines will blow oil out the vent when too full. > > And how full is "full" for this tank? In other words, > how close is the oil level to this vent port? > Thanks, > Kurt Schrader Dunno. I just go by the manual and at oil change I add 3.5 quarts oil to the tank. No problems. Also, with about 350 hours on the muffler, no problems, no cracks -- yet. I was always under the impression that it was a pretty heavy duty unit. One thing I did was to open up a small smiley face in the front of the cowl that helps to cool the muffler. That might be why I'm not having any problem. Heat is your worst enemy. Glad to help. Deke Morisse N148DM S5/NSI Soob/CAP NE Michigan "The influence of each human being on others in this life is a kind of immortality." -- John Quincy Adams ________________________________ Message 46 ____________________________________ Time: 05:31:16 PM PST US From: "Clem Nichols" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: NSI normal asperated oil blowoff Kurt: I'll try to answer your questions as best as I can. There are no vents on the valve covers, so I assume they must vent to the firewall tank. Regarding a baffel under the vent port, I really don't know. The oil level when full is 2 to 3 inches below the top of the tank in the tail down position. My experience is that as long as the oil is kept at the proper level there's not much blow-off out the vent line. If you add a little too much oil, however, (which for some unknown reason I seemed to do when I first got the plane) there's a considerable amount of blow-off. Perhaps you remember that on my plane the vent line goes to a half-quart beer can with a plastic bottle and foam rubber in it. (How's that for high tech?) There were a couple of times early on when it filled to the point that I was getting oil mist back on the windscreen. Needless to say, a tense moment or two. When I checked the can, it was pretty full of oil, not 16 ounces, mind you because of the foam rubber in the bottle, but enough to get some misting, nevertheless. Thinking back about it while writing this message, it seems that NSI said to keep the oil level within so many inches of the bottom of the cap, and that was what I was doing. When I changed the oil and filter and added the proper amount of oil my level was a little lower than their recommendation. I made a mark on the dip-stick, and have never filled the tank above that level. I've not checked my beer can reservoir lately, but have several hours on the last oil change, and the level in the tank is within no more than a quarter of an inch from my mark which I assume is due to burning rather than blow-off. At least I've not had any oil mist on the windscreen. I have to do an annual condition inspection this month, and will check the level in the can at that time. Clem ----- Original Message ----- From: "kurt schrader" Sent: Monday, July 09, 2007 6:11 PM Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: NSI normal asperated oil blowoff > > > Hi again Clem, > > Retirement plans? I was suppose to plan this??? Ha > ha > > Anyway I have a question for you and any other Soob > guys who may have their oil tank on the firewall. > > Another Soob KF driver has this firewall oil tank with > his NSI and it blows a good bit of oil out his tank > vent line. I don't have this. Mine has the auto oil > pan instead, so I am not sure if this problem has been > resolved previously or not. > > So have any of you had a lot of oil blow out of your > tank and how did you fix it? > > Do your valve covers vent to the oil tank, thus > pressurizing it a bit? > > Does this tank have a baffel under the vent port? > > And how full is "full" for this tank? In other words, > how close is the oil level to this vent port? > > Thanks, > > Kurt Schrader > S-5/NSI turbo > Florida and panama > > > Food fight? Enjoy some healthy debate > in the Yahoo! Answers Food & Drink Q&A. > http://answers.yahoo.com/dir/?link=list&sid=396545367 > > > ________________________________ Message 47 ____________________________________ Time: 05:39:48 PM PST US From: "Clem Nichols" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: NSI normal asperated oil blowoff Peter: That's my conclusion, also. Too much oil in the tank, and it will blow out. Clem Nichols ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Graichen" Sent: Monday, July 09, 2007 7:14 PM Subject: FW: Kitfox-List: NSI normal asperated oil blowoff > > >. If you put in more oil than that it'll blow out. > If you need more info give me a call. > Peter Graichen (330-923-7587) > http:/home.neo.rr.com/n10pg/kitfox.htm > > > ________________________________ Message 48 ____________________________________ Time: 06:13:00 PM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Starting problems (also: I passed my check ride!) From: "wingnut" After four years of off again, on again flying lessons, three address changes, three kinds of airplanes and four instructors, I finally passed my check ride last weak! It was not without some drama however as when it came time for the flying part of the test my Kitfox refused to start. The examiner offered that I could complete the examination using one of the rentals they had available. I elected take him up on the offer and completed my check ride in a Cessna 152 despite the fact that it had been almost two years since I had flown a Cessna and even then it was a 172. No doubt the examiner afforded me a little more latitude then usual as he passed me despite some difficulty in holding a stable altitude during maneuvers and a less than stellar demonstration of a short field landing. I returned to my Kitfox after the check ride hoping that I would not have to find alternate transportation to my home airport which was 150 driving miles away. To start my kitfox I normally resort to a technique that I read about on this list whereby the engine is first cranked for 10 sec with the mags off to prime the carbs. I then start as normal with one full turn past idle of the vernier throttle. I gather that my motor is more stubborn than most as it usually takes a bit of cranking even at this point. On this occasion however, the motor showed no signs of life at all even though I persisted in cranking until the battery began to show signs of wearing down. Wondering if had somehow flooded the cylinders with fuel, I removed one of the lower spark plugs but found it completely dry. At this point, one of the attendants from the local FBO offered me a jump start from some battery powered utility cart. I fear that the experience will likely have shortened the life of my starter by at least half as the procedure provided enough power to the starter to crank the motor to 400 RPM for several seconds before it finally started. She seemed to be running smoothly at that point so I elected to fly her home with a close eye on all the gauges and plenty of altitude. On the following day, she started and ran normally. Any suggestions or ideas would be greatly appreciated. I'll add that she's always run a bit rough between 2000 and 2500 RPM when cold though I have no idea if this is related. -------- Luis Rodriguez Model IV 1200 Rotax 912UL Flying Weekly Laurens, SC (34A) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=122964#122964 ________________________________ Message 49 ____________________________________ Time: 07:14:18 PM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Static port trouble From: "Giovanni Day" I did a little flying this afternoon. Flew with static to ASI only and it was within 3-5 mph of the gps. I have a EIS with alt. an vsi. I rigged a connection of its electronic sensor to the static and it worked properly. I then connected the mechanical vsi (MVSI)and the EIS. The EIS seemed correct when compared to the GPS but the MVSI was way off as usual. I tried adjusting the MVSI and it seemed to improve. When I pulled the power to land after adjusting it, it went crazy. I think I will locate a known good MVSI and see what it says. -------- _______________________________________ Giovanni Day Model 4 speedster 912 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=122971#122971 ________________________________ Message 50 ____________________________________ Time: 07:15:32 PM PST US From: "Paul Morel" Subject: Kitfox-List: VW Kitfox Flyers Just got a Kitfox IV Speedster still in the building stages and will be ready for a powerplant in the near future. Originally purchased with the intent of a Rotax from the previous builder, however I find myself leaning towards the VW engine. I've heard there are a couple Kitfox IV's flying with the VW and I would like very much to get some ideas and rough price costs to power a IV. Anyone out there that has a VW IV that I can exchange ideas with? Thanks PMorel ________________________________ Message 51 ____________________________________ Time: 07:46:25 PM PST US From: "Noel Loveys" Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Starting problems (also: I passed my check ride!) Sounds a bit like a vapour lock even though that usually only happens to an over heated engine. How was the power once you got it started? Did you check the fuel pumps? Are there impulse lines on the 912??? I think I would try installing a proper carb primer that pumps a squirt of gas right down the throat of the carb for starting and give up on the cold cranking. Noel Loveys, RPP, AME intern Campbellton, Newfoundland, Canada Kitfox Mod III-A, 582, B box, Ivo IFA Aerocet 1100s noelloveys@yahoo.ca Do not archive > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of wingnut > Sent: Monday, July 09, 2007 10:42 PM > To: kitfox-list@matronics.com > Subject: Kitfox-List: Starting problems (also: I passed my > check ride!) > > > > After four years of off again, on again flying lessons, three > address changes, three kinds of airplanes and four > instructors, I finally passed my check ride last weak! It was > not without some drama however as when it came time for the > flying part of the test my Kitfox refused to start. The > examiner offered that I could complete the examination using > one of the rentals they had available. I elected take him up > on the offer and completed my check ride in a Cessna 152 > despite the fact that it had been almost two years since I > had flown a Cessna and even then it was a 172. No doubt the > examiner afforded me a little more latitude then usual as he > passed me despite some difficulty in holding a stable > altitude during maneuvers and a less than stellar > demonstration of a short field landing. > > I returned to my Kitfox after the check ride hoping that I > would not have to find alternate transportation to my home > airport which was 150 driving miles away. To start my kitfox > I normally resort to a technique that I read about on this > list whereby the engine is first cranked for 10 sec with the > mags off to prime the carbs. I then start as normal with one > full turn past idle of the vernier throttle. I gather that my > motor is more stubborn than most as it usually takes a bit of > cranking even at this point. On this occasion however, the > motor showed no signs of life at all even though I persisted > in cranking until the battery began to show signs of wearing > down. Wondering if had somehow flooded the cylinders with > fuel, I removed one of the lower spark plugs but found it > completely dry. > > At this point, one of the attendants from the local FBO > offered me a jump start from some battery powered utility > cart. I fear that the experience will likely have shortened > the life of my starter by at least half as the procedure > provided enough power to the starter to crank the motor to > 400 RPM for several seconds before it finally started. > > She seemed to be running smoothly at that point so I elected > to fly her home with a close eye on all the gauges and plenty > of altitude. On the following day, she started and ran > normally. Any suggestions or ideas would be greatly > appreciated. I'll add that she's always run a bit rough > between 2000 and 2500 RPM when cold though I have no idea if > this is related. > > -------- > Luis Rodriguez > Model IV 1200 > Rotax 912UL > Flying Weekly > Laurens, SC (34A) > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=122964#122964 > > > ________________________________ Message 52 ____________________________________ Time: 08:32:26 PM PST US From: kurt schrader Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Static port trouble --- Giovanni Day wrote: > I did a little flying this afternoon. .... I think I will locate a known good MVSI and see what it says. > Giovanni Day > Model 4 speedster 912 ---------------------------------------------------- I think you got it narrowed down pretty well. Kurt S. do not archive Got a little couch potato? Check out fun summer activities for kids. http://search.yahoo.com/search?fr=oni_on_mail&p=summer+activities+for+kids&cs=bz ________________________________ Message 53 ____________________________________ Time: 08:32:26 PM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Starting problems (also: I passed my check ride!) From: "Giovanni Day" Do you use the choke for starting? If not start using them. If I do not use them it is near impossible to get my UL started. When I use them It only turns over 2-3 revs before starting. -------- _______________________________________ Giovanni Day Model 4 speedster 912 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=122981#122981 ________________________________ Message 54 ____________________________________ Time: 08:34:41 PM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: VW Kitfox Flyers From: "Giovanni Day" If you go with the VW motor and have the speedster radiator fairing to spare, I would be interested in buying it. Thanks -------- _______________________________________ Giovanni Day Model 4 speedster 912 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=122982#122982 ________________________________ Message 55 ____________________________________ Time: 08:38:22 PM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Starting problems (also: I passed my check ride!) From: "wingnut" [quote]Are there impulse lines on the 912??? I think I would try installing a proper carb primer that pumps a squirt of gas right down the throat of the carb for starting and give up on the cold cranking. [/quote I don't know what an 'impulse line' is but I've considered installing a primer. Maybe it's time I do that. > Do you use the choke for starting? If not start using them. If I do not use them it is near impossible to get my UL started. When I use them It only turns over 2-3 revs before starting. Holy cow! Two revs? There must be something wrong with my setup then. I use the choke but it doesn't seem to help. There's a shop about 50 miles north west of me that specializes in Rotax. I guess it's time to take it in and have it inspected throughly. -------- Luis Rodriguez Model IV 1200 Rotax 912UL Flying Weekly Laurens, SC (34A) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=122986#122986 ________________________________ Message 56 ____________________________________ Time: 08:38:23 PM PST US From: kurt schrader Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: NSI normal asperated oil blowoff (and muffler) Thanks guys, I'll go over this with him and see if we can get it corrected for his next flight. First I need to make sure I understood his problem correctly. He bought it built and the previous owner just extended the vent line and let it blow out. Clean belly, but poor miles/qt of oil. We'll let you know.... Kurt Schrader S-5/NSI turbo Florida and panama Be a better Heartthrob. Get better relationship answers from someone who knows. Yahoo! Answers - Check it out. http://answers.yahoo.com/dir/?link=list&sid=396545433 ________________________________ Message 57 ____________________________________ Time: 08:44:08 PM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Starting problems (also: I passed my check ride!) From: "Giovanni Day" Your carbs may be gummed up so that the choke is not working. Also you could need new spark plugs. -------- _______________________________________ Giovanni Day Model 4 speedster 912 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=122988#122988 ________________________________ Message 58 ____________________________________ Time: 08:57:36 PM PST US From: "jeff puls" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: VW Kitfox Flyers Paul, Think "Aerovee." I would love to try that engine. Jeff Classic IV 912UL ----- Original Message ----- From: Paul Morel To: kitfox-list@matronics.com Sent: Monday, July 09, 2007 10:15 PM Subject: Kitfox-List: VW Kitfox Flyers Just got a Kitfox IV Speedster still in the building stages and will be ready for a powerplant in the near future. Originally purchased with the intent of a Rotax from the previous builder, however I find myself leaning towards the VW engine. I've heard there are a couple Kitfox IV's flying with the VW and I would like very much to get some ideas and rough price costs to power a IV. Anyone out there that has a VW IV that I can exchange ideas with? Thanks PMorel ________________________________ Message 59 ____________________________________ Time: 09:32:39 PM PST US From: "ron schick" Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: VW Kitfox Flyers/Rons update Hi paul I have a Kitfox IV Speedster with a 1915cc vw I'll send pics and info direct if you have questions. Since I have not posted to the group in a while I'll give a brief update on my vw experiance. With over 60 hours of trouble free flying it was getting weak. This turned out to be valve adjustment that I had hoped to go 100 hours between adjustments. Turns out the advice is right that you should adjust at 25 hours. I also found that with the Valley Engineering redrive it is VERY easy to set the timing to far advanced. This leads to overheating as well as hard starting. All in all I am happy again as I am back to flying on ~3gph of 87 octane= $9.00/hour. 2.5 hours this weekend. This winter I will build a 2275cc VW to replace the 1915cc as it is a little lazy with two people. Ron Schick North Bend, Oregon N541KF Kitfox Speedster 1915cc VW Valley Engineering 1.6:1 redrive, 72" Ivo N117AF Avid Flyer 582 N67779 C152 >From: "Paul Morel" >To: >Subject: Kitfox-List: VW Kitfox Flyers >Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2007 22:15:10 -0400 > >Just got a Kitfox IV Speedster still in the building stages and will be >ready for a powerplant in the near future. Originally purchased with the >intent of a Rotax from the previous builder, however I find myself leaning >towards the VW engine. I've heard there are a couple Kitfox IV's flying >with the VW and I would like very much to get some ideas and rough price >costs to power a IV. Anyone out there that has a VW IV that I can exchange >ideas with? Thanks PMorel _________________________________________________________________ Local listings, incredible imagery, and driving directions - all in one place! http://maps.live.com/?wip=69&FORM=MGAC01 ________________________________ Message 60 ____________________________________ Time: 09:52:15 PM PST US From: Guy Buchanan Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Starting problems (also: I passed my check ride!) At 08:37 PM 7/9/2007, you wrote: >There must be something wrong with my setup then. I use the choke >but it doesn't seem to help. You mentioned in your earlier post: "I then start as normal with one full turn past idle of the vernier throttle." My understanding of the 912 carb is that it requires the throttle to be AT IDLE for the choke to work. I noted this because it is similar to the 582, which I run. Try starting with the throttle at idle and using the choke. (Jump in here any time, Lowell.) Guy Buchanan San Diego, CA K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 100% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar. ________________________________ Message 61 ____________________________________ Time: 09:52:15 PM PST US From: Guy Buchanan Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Starting problems (also: I passed my check ride!) At 06:12 PM 7/9/2007, you wrote: >After four years of off again, on again flying lessons, three >address changes, three kinds of airplanes and four instructors, I >finally passed my check ride last weak! Congratulations Luis! Well done! (Can't help you with the no-start, however.) Guy Buchanan San Diego, CA K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 100% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar. Do not archive ________________________________ Message 62 ____________________________________ Time: 09:52:19 PM PST US From: Guy Buchanan Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Static port trouble At 03:54 PM 7/9/2007, you wrote: >You got it. When in flight it consistently give an 600-800 fpm >decent. [Embarassed] LOL However when the airplane is at rest it reads zero. I had to go back to my books to confirm how a VSI works, but if I'm not mistaken you could get this error if you had a leak in the case. This would allow the low pressure cockpit air to lower the case pressure constantly, relative to the static port, causing the appearance of a descent. It's not entirely unlikely; I had a leak in my altimeter case that took me days to find. I finally found it by applying a very slight vacuum using a small hand vacuum source, (used to bleed brakes.) The vacuum would decay over time, indicating a leak. I then applied the vacuum and ran a bead of thin cyanoacrylate, (super glue,) where the bezel met the glass. The cyanoacrylate was ingested into the leak and sealed it. Guy Buchanan San Diego, CA K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 100% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message kitfox-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Kitfox-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/kitfox-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/kitfox-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.