---------------------------------------------------------- Kitfox-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Thu 07/12/07: 14 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 04:48 AM - Re: Question on proper list reply protocol (wingnut) 2. 05:56 AM - Re: barb-tite fittings (Noel Loveys) 3. 06:36 AM - Re: gascolator question (Noel Loveys) 4. 08:03 AM - Fw: (Guy Buchanan) 5. 08:21 AM - Re: Question on proper list reply protocol (Michael Gibbs) 6. 08:40 AM - Re: Question on proper list reply protocol (Guy Buchanan) 7. 08:40 AM - Re: barb-tite fittings (Guy Buchanan) 8. 03:34 PM - Re: NSI normal asperated oil blowoff (Michael Logan) 9. 04:19 PM - Re: Re: Question - flap handle Kitfox 2 (Steve Shinabery) 10. 07:12 PM - Going to Arlington (ron schick) 11. 07:32 PM - Re: Re: Question - flap handle Kitfox 2 (RAY Gignac) 12. 08:27 PM - Re: Starting problems (also: I passed my check ride!) (wingnut) 13. 08:47 PM - Re: Re: Starting problems (also: I passed my check ride!) (RAY Gignac) 14. 10:38 PM - Re: Re: Question - flap handle Kitfox 2 (Guy Buchanan) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 04:48:48 AM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Question on proper list reply protocol From: "wingnut" > If you are replying on this list to a previous post, aren't you supposed to hit the "Post Reply" button, not "New Topic"? That works for people using the web version of this list but many people access this list via email. I gather that the web sight tries to keep emails grouped based on the title but some email programs use different semantics in the reply heading that defeats the forum logic. -------- Luis Rodriguez Model IV 1200 Rotax 912UL Flying Weekly Laurens, SC (34A) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=123368#123368 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 05:56:48 AM PST US From: "Noel Loveys" Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: barb-tite fittings This is the first time I've heard of this. All my barb fittings have clamps over them Noel Loveys, RPP, AME intern Campbellton, Newfoundland, Canada Kitfox Mod III-A, 582, B box, Ivo IFA Aerocet 1100s noelloveys@yahoo.ca do not archive -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of clemwehner Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2007 2:33 AM Subject: Kitfox-List: barb-tite fittings My 912 engine kit came with a brass "Barb-Tite" fitting (hose barb). From what I've read these fitting require no hose clamp and just need the hose pushed up over the barbs. Supposedly good to 250 PSI. Will these work with fuel injection hose or will they only work with specially designed hoses? Is it really safe to have a fuel line without a hose clamp? Thanks, Clem Wehner KFIV-912 Lawton, OK ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 06:36:23 AM PST US From: "Noel Loveys" Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: gascolator question It's supposed to. It should be installed before the fuel pump at the lowest point in the fuel system. The size of the gascolator is governed by the maximum fuel flow expected...more fuel requires a bigger gascolator. Noel > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of > Michel Verheughe > Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2007 4:21 AM > To: kitfox-list@matronics.com > Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: gascolator question > > > > From: clemwehner [clemwehner@sbcglobal.net] > > Does a gascolator separate water from the fuel when fuel is > flowing thru > > it, as the engine is running? > > It does on my marine diesel engine, Clem, where I get a lot > of tank condensation. But I have never seen a drop of water > in my aircraft fuel which is always in a hangar, so I wouldn't know. > > Cheers, > Michel Verheughe > Norway > Kitfox 3 - Jabiru 2200 > > > 

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________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 08:03:44 AM PST US From: Guy Buchanan Subject: Kitfox-List: Fwd: >I am typing on the road and don't think this reply will make it to >the list, but thanks to all for your input. I spoke with Ronnie >Smith today, who rebuilt my engine at South Mississippi. He echoed >speculation that I am running too rich, yes my plugs were black and >my EGTs were around 950. He says that I should see 85MPH out of a >Model 2 with a 582 and suggested putting more pitch in the prop. I >thought I had set it to be a cruise prop and am skeptical. Yes I >like low and slow. I fly plenty fast plenty often. Greetings from >Trinidad BTW. I had the door open and loved it. I guess I would >like to see an improvement over driving for enroute times. > >Jeff ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 08:21:39 AM PST US From: Michael Gibbs Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Question on proper list reply protocol Thomas asks: >If you are replying on this list to a previous post, aren't you >supposed to hit the "Post Reply" button, not "New Topic"?...I'm >wondering if there's been a deliberate effort to establish a >different norm here? It's kinda like herding cats, Thomas... Actually, I think most folks on the list do a really good job of showing courtesy to other readers and playing by the rules, but some folks are less technically savvy than others and mistakes happen. In this particular case, though, I think it might be an artifact of the multi-faceted nature of the list--some folks use the web interface, some use e-mail, and some use e-mail digests. It's possible that the e-mail and/or digest message responses break the web page's threads, we've had complaints about that in the past. If that's the case, I don't know that there is an easy fix to the problem. There is no "New Topic" or "Post Reply" functions to an e-mailed message--they just go to a central address with a subject line that (hopefully) ties them to the conversation. Mike G. Kitfox List co-Admin N728KF Phoenix, AZ ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 08:40:36 AM PST US From: Guy Buchanan Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Question on proper list reply protocol At 09:49 PM 7/11/2007, you wrote: >I ask also because you only have to look back a couple of days for >multiple examples of what I'm talking about. So I'm wondering if >there's been a deliberate effort to establish a different norm here? No, it's the same. I looked at the forum and the duplication wasn't too bad. 1. There was a digest reply where the sender forgot to change the subject, a common mistake.. 2. Some idiot named Guy Buchanan split the thread TWICE. (I'm putting him on list probation.) 3. A long title got truncated by someone's email program and split a thread. 4. Another appears to have used their originating email to generate a reply, splitting the thread. I think, with your reminder, people like myself will try harder to keep the subject line connected. >If so, I'd like to know what the prevailing rule is so I can post >accordingly. If not, then I really think it would be better for >everyone if posters responding to an existing thread made sure they >used the "Post Reply" button and only used the "New Topic" button >for original posts. I didn't see any sign of "New Topic" replies, unless people are going to all the trouble to copy subject headings. Most of the new topics appear to be new topics. (I didn't check them all.) The rest of the thread splits are screw-ups of one kind or another. Thank you very much for the notice. I expect everyone will try harder. Guy Buchanan, Kitfox List Moderator San Diego, CA K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 100% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar. ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 08:40:36 AM PST US From: Guy Buchanan Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: barb-tite fittings At 10:03 PM 7/11/2007, you wrote: >Will these work with fuel injection hose or will they only work with >specially designed hoses? Is it really safe to have a fuel line >without a hose clamp? I use them extensively, but only as designed. There is an entire Aeroquip series that is clamp-less. Aeroquip is reputable and I'm ASSUMING their design is proven, though I didn't prove it myself. I used this system previously on a Porsche remote oil cooler and in 12 years never had a fitting failure, though I once had a mid-hose failure. Of course I replaced the line every few years. On all other "barbs" I use clamps. (E.g. fuel pump, carburetors.) Guy Buchanan San Diego, CA K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 100% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar. ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 03:34:41 PM PST US From: "Michael Logan" Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: NSI normal asperated oil blowoff Kurt, I did the whole enchilada, a completely new engine with dual intake heads and the injection/ignition system built by Tracy Crook for RAM. The work is going very slow, I have a four year old daughter and my wife's Grumman Traveler to keep me busy and flying. Mike -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of kurt schrader Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2007 9:44 PM Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: NSI normal asperated oil blowoff Thanks Michael, I was leaning in about the same direction with him before I asked you all on the list. Your experience is the first I heard to match his though. I thought he could put a section of scrubbie in the vent line after the connection, but before the 90 down turn so it would stay there. Blow thru it to make sure air still goes thru. There is no room to make this line go verticle up before going down, or he could get some drain-back. Second, I though like you and Peter, to add some kind of air/oil seperator to the line. Hadn't thought of your third mod though. Sure enough that return line would be blowing oil all over the tank's insides and not down only. Makes it a lot easier for oil to go right out the vent without it. I agree that you and he must be getting a lot of blowby due to bad rig arrangement or something. Valve guides? In any case, nothing so easily fixed for him. He is not a mechanic. Your mods might do it alone. Another option I thought of was an expanded tank volume like a lower tank even with the bottom of the main, but only 1/2 as high that held an additional 2 qts. But that low oil pressure worries me more than the blowout. As you said, quality control. Let us know how the RAM conversion works out. How exensive a change are you making? The whole conversion, or only parts? Been thinking about some mods myself. My engine runs pretty well, but it could be better and I have a few things in mind. RAM might play a part in it for me too. Kurt Schrader S-5/NSI turbo Florida and Panama Now that's room service! Choose from over 150,000 hotels in 45,000 destinations on Yahoo! Travel to find your fit. http://farechase.yahoo.com/promo-generic-14795097 ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 04:19:07 PM PST US From: Steve Shinabery Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Question - flap handle Kitfox 2 I need to add a stop for the flap handle.at full flaps.the stick locks up.what is the best way?all so,when using flaps,the wind will push flap back up.they will not stay where I put it.it will not stay in one place.is there a way to lock flaps in place. Thanks Steve Shinabery, St.Marys Ohio. N554KF Kitfox2 wingnut wrote: > > > >> If you are replying on this list to a previous post, aren't you supposed to hit the "Post Reply" button, not "New Topic"? >> > > That works for people using the web version of this list but many people access this list via email. I gather that the web sight tries to keep emails grouped based on the title but some email programs use different semantics in the reply heading that defeats the forum logic. > > -------- > Luis Rodriguez > Model IV 1200 > Rotax 912UL > Flying Weekly > Laurens, SC (34A) > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=123368#123368 > > > ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 07:12:06 PM PST US From: "ron schick" Subject: Kitfox-List: Going to Arlington I plan to leave for Arlington about noon friday. As I'll be in a spam can it will be hard to find me, but I'll look up the Kitfoxes. I'll reconise John Stoner and Mic Thiesen. Hope to catch others by their planes or at the Kitfox booth. See ya their! Ron NB Ore do not archive _________________________________________________________________ ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 07:32:54 PM PST US From: "RAY Gignac" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Question - flap handle Kitfox 2 Yes there is, John King designed a flap lock system that works very well! I made one for my plane. I can Fax you an actual diagram if you want. Consist of a flat piece of metal cut with notches, a wood dowl, spring and nail and two adel clamps! Ray >From: Steve Shinabery >To: kitfox-list@matronics.com >Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Question - flap handle Kitfox 2 >Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2007 19:18:39 -0400 > > >I need to add a stop for the flap handle.at full flaps.the stick locks >up.what is the best way?all so,when using flaps,the wind will push flap >back up.they will not stay where I put it.it will not stay in one place.is >there a way to lock flaps in place. Thanks Steve Shinabery, St.Marys Ohio. > N554KF Kitfox2 > >wingnut wrote: >> >> >> >>>If you are replying on this list to a previous post, aren't you supposed >>>to hit the "Post Reply" button, not "New Topic"? >> >>That works for people using the web version of this list but many people >>access this list via email. I gather that the web sight tries to keep >>emails grouped based on the title but some email programs use different >>semantics in the reply heading that defeats the forum logic. >> >>-------- >>Luis Rodriguez >>Model IV 1200 >>Rotax 912UL >>Flying Weekly >>Laurens, SC (34A) >> >> >> >> >>Read this topic online here: >> >>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=123368#123368 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > _________________________________________________________________ Need a brain boost? Recharge with a stimulating game. 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This is how a fifteen thousand dollar motor is supposed to run :-). -------- Luis Rodriguez Model IV 1200 Rotax 912UL Flying Weekly Laurens, SC (34A) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=123529#123529 ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 08:47:27 PM PST US From: "RAY Gignac" Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re: Starting problems (also: I passed my check ride!) You should check how the choke cables are routed, sometimes to much bend or curve can cause the choke knob to be hard to pull! Ray >From: "wingnut" >To: kitfox-list@matronics.com >Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Starting problems (also: I passed my check ride!) >Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2007 20:26:45 -0700 > > >In case anyone was wondering. It turns out that the problem was simply that >I wasn't pulling the choke hard enough. The nob has always been a little >sticky and I'd been reluctant to pull on it too hard for fear of breaking >something. A local A&P at the airport inspected the carbs while I held the >choke lever at the position that I was accustomed to and he informed me >that the choke was not fully actuated. I just needed to put a little more >muscle into it. Now she starts right off. No need to crank with the mags >off. This is how a fifteen thousand dollar motor is supposed to run :-). > >-------- >Luis Rodriguez >Model IV 1200 >Rotax 912UL >Flying Weekly >Laurens, SC (34A) > > >Read this topic online here: > >http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=123529#123529 > > _________________________________________________________________ Don't get caught with egg on your face. 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