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1. 05:02 AM - Re: Instrument Panel Dash Board (W Duke)
2. 05:03 AM - Re: oshkosh meeting (Peter Graichen)
3. 05:46 AM - Re: Instrument Panel Dash Board (Jim Crockett)
4. 06:21 AM - Re: 912UL max and cruise RPM (kitfoxmike)
5. 06:57 AM - Master Relay (jareds)
6. 07:04 AM - Re: Re: 912UL max and cruise RPM (Paul Seehafer)
7. 07:56 AM - Re: Master Relay (Rick)
8. 08:23 AM - Re: Re: 912UL max and cruise RPM (john oakley)
9. 08:31 AM - tiny Tach for a 912? (Don G)
10. 08:37 AM - Re: Master Relay (Giovanni Day)
11. 08:53 AM - Re: 912UL max and cruise RPM (Don G)
12. 09:00 AM - Re: oshkosh (jdmcbean)
13. 09:15 AM - Re: tiny Tach for a 912? (kitfoxmike)
14. 09:22 AM - Re: Re: 912UL max and cruise RPM (Paul Seehafer)
15. 09:24 AM - Re: 912UL max and cruise RPM (kitfoxmike)
16. 09:25 AM - Re: tiny Tach for a 912? (Don G)
17. 10:25 AM - Re: oshkosh (Marco Menezes)
18. 10:54 AM - Re: Re: Master Relay (John W. Hart)
19. 11:41 AM - Re: Master Relay (Noel Loveys)
20. 12:07 PM - Re: Mystery Rivets (flier)
21. 12:11 PM - Re: tiny Tach for a 912? (Noel Loveys)
22. 12:23 PM - Re: Re: Master Relay (Noel Loveys)
23. 12:29 PM - Re: tiny Tach for a 912? (kerrjohna@comcast.net)
24. 01:10 PM - Re: Re: Master Relay (jareds)
25. 01:37 PM - Re: Re: Mystery Rivets (kurt schrader)
26. 02:02 PM - Re: tiny Tach for a 912? (kitfoxmike)
27. 02:13 PM - Re: Re: 912UL max and cruise RPM (john oakley)
28. 02:47 PM - Re: tiny Tach for a 912? (Torgeir Mortensen)
29. 05:24 PM - Re: oshkosh (kirk hull)
30. 05:44 PM - instrument panel color (Brent E Bidus)
31. 05:57 PM - Re: oshkosh (jdmcbean)
32. 06:20 PM - Re: instrument panel color (kirk hull)
33. 06:35 PM - Re: instrument panel color (W Duke)
34. 06:47 PM - Re: instrument panel color (kurt schrader)
35. 06:49 PM - Re: instrument panel color (Trey Moran)
36. 07:03 PM - Re: instrument panel color (Dee Young)
37. 08:26 PM - Re: instrument panel color (Noel Loveys)
38. 08:45 PM - Re: instrument panel color (clemwehner)
39. 08:55 PM - Re: instrument panel color (jerry evans)
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| Subject: | Re: Instrument Panel Dash Board |
I used the same thin fabric supplied by Sam Knight for covering the center console.
I also got some sort of tear drop shaped rubber edging to ease the edge.
That kept the fibers from looking bare at the sharp corners. 500 hrs and 4
years later it still looks good. Hangared.
I'm getting ready to finish and install the instrument panel fiberglass dash board
supplied by Skystar for my modified model IV. Anybody out there have any suggestions
for finshing the dash, eg leather, vinyl, carpet, painted etc. I'm
leaning towards some kind of thin carpet, but not sure where to get some or how
to install.
Thanks in advance for any suggestions
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Dan Mc Intyre
Kitfox Model IV, Jab 2200
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Hi all:
I'll be at OSH for the entire week. In the past we have met at Acee
Deucee's. Pick a convenient day, and we'll meet there after the show.
Peter Graichen
http:/home.neo.rr.com/n10pg/kitfox.htm
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[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim Crowder
Sent: Tuesday, 17 July, 2007 23:37
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: oshkosh
My current plans are to be there Wed. and Thurs. I would like to be kept up
on any plans.
Jim Crowder
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From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of kirk hull
Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2007 8:29 PM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: oshkosh
Any one going to osh this year and want to get together for dinner? Or is
there already a Kitfox dinner planned? If anyone is interested respond by
email before sat on my cell is 816-686-3719 and I will have it in osh
205AK (red and black classic4) will be in homebuilt parking but I am
staying at the Y
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| Subject: | Re: Instrument Panel Dash Board |
If you want to use thin carpet on the glare shield, the auto supply
stores usually carry it. I used it on the doors and attached it with
Liquid Nails. You can cut the glare shield so that it has about a half
inch or so of overhang and then use pipe insulation to fit over that,
leaving a nice round edging across the top of the panel. Use the black
sponge rubber-type insulation, not the gray foam stuff. It has a red
strip over the sticky side where it's split, and that will attach to the
shield. I just painted mine flat black.
Jim Crockett
Kitfox V/912UL
W Duke wrote:
> I used the same thin fabric supplied by Sam Knight for covering the
> center console. I also got some sort of tear drop shaped rubber
> edging to ease the edge. That kept the fibers from looking bare at
> the sharp corners. 500 hrs and 4 years later it still looks good.
> Hangared.
>
> */DanM <danm@gangnailtruss.com>/* wrote:
>
>
> I'm getting ready to finish and install the instrument panel
> fiberglass dash board supplied by Skystar for my modified model
> IV. Anybody out there have any suggestions for finshing the dash,
> eg leather, vinyl, carpet, painted etc. I'm leaning towards some
> kind of thin carpet, but not sure where to get some or how to install.
>
> Thanks in advance for any suggestions
>
> --------
> Dan Mc Intyre
> Kitfox Model IV, Jab
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| Subject: | Re: 912UL max and cruise RPM |
Now here is my scoop. I don't let mine run past 5400 rpm. On climb out I will
let it go to 5800, but just briefly, I will set the rpm with the elevator, not
the prop. I want to get it up there so to speak. If I don't need the elevation,
already at 1000agl, then I'm leveling and I'm setting the prop(you know,
inflight adjust). As I level out the rpm's will increase of course, so I put
in a little more adjust on the prop, I keep it at 5400rpm. I keep the throttle
all the way in, call it what you want. If the rpm doesn't go over 5400 rpm
you can run it all day like that. I've talked to a lot of people about this
and they say it's OK, and not other pilots either. Now with my engine 912ul (80)
if you have it set at 5400 rpm or 5000 rpm, the ground speed doesn't change,
in fact it might loose a little going to a lower rpm, but it will run smoother.
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kitfoxmike
model IV, 1200
speedster
912ul
building
RV7a
slowbuild wings, fuse, finish kit
"if you're not getting razzed from pilots or the FAA then you're not flying
enough"
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I have had a battery drain on my 582 for years and the last time i
troubleshot it seemed like it wasn't any instrement because they all ran
through the master relay. Has anyone substituted a NAPA start relay for
the electrical system before? Or are they all the same?
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| Subject: | Re: 912UL max and cruise RPM |
Giovanni,
I've found with my Kitfox IV-1200 912ul on amphib floats (with an IVO
inflight adust prop) that it goes the fastest with the throttle wide open
and the prop set for a 5400-5500 rpm, which is the max continuous horsepower
for the 912 (all 79 hp!)
Yes, get some of those fairings on your airplane, as I fly 90 mph+ at 5000
rpm, and I'm on floats with long wings!
I've attached a panel shot to inspire you. If my long wing kitfox on floats
can fly this fast on floats, your speedster should definitely go faster...
And here's a pic of my plane in flight. It's a neat little Kitfox, but it
can be cleaned up significantly yet. I have wing strut and horizontal
stabilizer strut fairings, but nothing on the jury struts, no gap seals,
poor fit around vertical fin to stab fairing, and no radiator fairing. Once
I do all that I expect I will go faster yet!
Paul Seehafer
Kitfox IV-1200 912ul on Aerocet amphibs
----- Original Message -----
From: "Giovanni Day" <thedays@mchsi.com>
Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2007 12:31 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: 912UL max and cruise RPM
>
> Did a little flying ad testing this afternoon. 5000RPM get me 3.7gph burn
> and 90mph indicated which is very close to ground speed with 0 wind. I had
> not tried WOT in straight and level. I am able to over rev the motor. I
> hit 5800 and about 110 mph. I say about because I had to back off to keep
> from over revving the engine. I think I need to add at least a degree of
> pitch. I read somewhere that to prolong the engine life of a 912ul one
> should not rev higher than 5500 even on climb out. I will add the pitch
> and see what happens.
>
> I am looking at a set of the PVC strut fairing now.
>
> Keep the good info coming.
>
> Thanks
>
> --------
> _______________________________________
> Giovanni Day
> Model 4 speedster 912
>
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When active they both have a draw. The starter rely may draw more
because of the heavier contacts , not real sure, but both are electro
magnets pulling a spring loaded contact. If you are getting a voltage
draw when not on something could be amiss there or else where in your
system. Hope that helps a little.
Rick
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From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of jareds
Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2007 6:29 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Master Relay
I have had a battery drain on my 582 for years and the last time i
troubleshot it seemed like it wasn't any instrement because they all ran
through the master relay. Has anyone substituted a NAPA start relay for
the electrical system before? Or are they all the same?
7/17/2007 6:30 PM
7/17/2007 6:30 PM
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| Subject: | Re: 912UL max and cruise RPM |
Paul Seehafer
What a great looking fox, now I want to go and find a new set of floats to
go on mine...
John Oakley
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| Subject: | tiny Tach for a 912? |
Some time back, I remember Fred asking about the model of a tiny tach for a 912.
Never did find a response. Anbody know which model tiny tach to use for a 912
UL?
Just how does this ignition fire anyway?
1 spark per rev?....2 sparks per rev? 1 every 4?...hmmm
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Don G.
Central Illinois
Kitfox IV Speedster
Luscombe 8A
http://www.geocities.com/dagger369th/my_firefly.htm
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| Subject: | Re: Master Relay |
What ever relay you use you need to make sure it is intended for continual use.
Most automotive starter relays are not intended for more than a few minutes use
at a time.
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Giovanni Day
Model 4 speedster 912
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| Subject: | Re: 912UL max and cruise RPM |
Mike,
Tell me more of these "Self adjusting" farings!
specifically, down at the bottom near the fuse were they come together, how did
you fashion them in regards to clearance/interferance?
Do they rattle or vibrate any in flight?
Do they ever get "out of whack" and stay there in flight?
Any wear problems noticed?
This sounds like the perfect way to overcome the problem of trying to decide what
angle of attach to mount the strut covers.
--------
Don G.
Central Illinois
Kitfox IV Speedster
Luscombe 8A
http://www.geocities.com/dagger369th/my_firefly.htm
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Kitfox dinner is planned for Friday, July 27th .. Come see us at the booth
for the details.. We are in the North Aircraft display
Fly Safe !!
John & Debra McBean
208.337.5111
www.kitfoxaircraft.com
"It's not how Fast... It's how Fun!"
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of kirk hull
Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2007 8:29 PM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: oshkosh
Any one going to osh this year and want to get together for dinner? Or is
there already a Kitfox dinner planned? If anyone is interested respond by
email before sat on my cell is 816-686-3719 and I will have it in osh
205AK (red and black classic4) will be in homebuilt parking but I am
staying at the Y
6:30 PM
6:30 PM
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| Subject: | Re: tiny Tach for a 912? |
they are a piece of junk, I got one and could never get it to work right, I gave
up and threw it in the corner of the hangar.
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kitfoxmike
model IV, 1200
speedster
912ul
building
RV7a
slowbuild wings, fuse, finish kit
"if you're not getting razzed from pilots or the FAA then you're not flying
enough"
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| Subject: | Re: 912UL max and cruise RPM |
John,
Thanks. I like it alot too.
And regarding those new floats....you might be in luck as I am in the
process of building floats just like we need for our airplanes. Has been a
much bigger project than I ever guessed, but I'm getting there (after flying
floats for over 20 years mostly in Foxes and Avids, I want them to be
everything the other choices aren't. So it's taking a little longer to get
it right). But it will be worth the wait. Should have my first set out
this fall. I'll keep everyone posted as I progress.
Yeah, these foxes make quite the float plane. Nothing but unbelieveable,
inexpensive fun!!!!!
If any of you floatplane enthusiasts are interested, I put up a post about
my
Kitfox performance info on our adjoining list seaplane-list@matronics.com
on July 9th. You might want to check that out. Also has a few pics. If
you
don't like to read that much (smile), just check out the pics...it's what
we do
for fun here in Wisconsin on nice summer days. Hey, we have 14,000 lakes
to splash around in....
And on a last note, I run EAA's seaplane base at Oshkosh. So if you are
attending the big show, come out and see us. Cost $2 to ride the bus
roundtrip from the airport. Nice relaxed atmosphere with a lot of seaplanes
to look at. We also have pontoon boat tours of the planes on their moorings
so you can get a little closer. And we have a good food vendor right there
as well. Always a good time.
Paul Seehafer
Kitfox IV-1200 912ul on Aerocet amphibs
AirVenture Seaplane Base Chairman
----- Original Message -----
From: "john oakley" <john@leptron.com>
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re: 912UL max and cruise RPM
> Paul Seehafer
> What a great looking fox, now I want to go and find a new set of floats to
> go on mine...
>
> John Oakley
----- Original Message -----
From: "john oakley" <john@leptron.com>
Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2007 10:22 AM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re: 912UL max and cruise RPM
>
>
> Paul Seehafer
> What a great looking fox, now I want to go and find a new set of floats to
> go on mine...
>
> John Oakley
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: 912UL max and cruise RPM |
they are the pvc type that I got from skystar. I just cut them as needed at the
fuse and at different areas. They say to glue them into place, I didn't, I
just snapped them together and that was all. I stumbled across the fact that
they center on their own by accident. I wanted to put a different deflection
on them and when I landed they went back to where they were previously. I deducted
that they will center out in the stream to where they need to go. I've
had mine on for about 600hrs now. I hear that John sells them, I really like mine,
I didn't paint them either, since my plane is white, it all matches just
fine. They clean real easy, spray a little window cleaner(for glass, I save my
plexus for the wind screen) on them and the bugs wipe right off.
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kitfoxmike
model IV, 1200
speedster
912ul
building
RV7a
slowbuild wings, fuse, finish kit
"if you're not getting razzed from pilots or the FAA then you're not flying
enough"
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| Subject: | Re: tiny Tach for a 912? |
Mike, They cant be to good, they are so cheap...but then this Rotax tach I have
is at least 200 rpms off and it costs like he!!
I have a Sendec on my boat and I think I might try to put it on the 912.
still trying to figure out its programming!
Hey, did you see my post on the strut covers you have?
Tell me more about the "self Adjusting" feature...et...not fastening them down
tite.
Do they vibrate of rattle in flight?
any wear noticable?
Do they ever get "out of whack" in flight and stay there?
How about donw at the bottom where the struts come together?..how did you dashion
them for clearance?interferance?
This seems to be a great answer to trying to decide what angle of attach to attach
them!
Thx!
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Don G.
Central Illinois
Kitfox IV Speedster
Luscombe 8A
http://www.geocities.com/dagger369th/my_firefly.htm
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I plan to be there Monday thru Thurs, a.m. Camping under the wing in homebuilt
camping. White over orange Model 2 - N99KX. Call me with plans to meet. (231)
250-9711.
Any one going to osh this year and want to get together for dinner? Or is
there already a Kitfox dinner planned? If anyone is interested respond by
email before sat on my cell is 816-686-3719 and I will have it in osh
205AK (red and black classic4) will be in homebuilt parking but I am
staying at the Y
Marco Menezes
Model 2 582 N99KX
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| Subject: | Re: Master Relay |
Additional comment: Constant current relays (some folks call them solenoids
or "battery isolator relays") that look like the starter relays (but are
internally different) can often be purchased at Recreation Vehicle Parts
sales. They are often used to disconnect the tow vehicle electrical system
from the trailer DC electrical system so when the tow vehicle ignition is
turned off to prevent discharging the tow vehicle battery while using the
RV. They work quite nicely as a master bus relay on small aircraft.
John Hart
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From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Giovanni Day
Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2007 10:38 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Master Relay
What ever relay you use you need to make sure it is intended for continual
use. Most automotive starter relays are not intended for more than a few
minutes use at a time.
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_______________________________________
Giovanni Day
Model 4 speedster 912
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It depends on the way your plane is wired... If everything is wired
down
stream of the master relay the only place to get a drop will be
somewhere
between the positive battery lug on the master and the energized lug.
Power
may go from the positive battery lug to the master switch and then
return to
the energizer lug. However several relays are pre wired to an extent
with a
jumper from the battery lug to the energizer coil and then you energize
the
relay by grounding the starter lug.
Basically it all depends.
I don't suppose you drew up a wiring diagram when you originally wired
the
plane?
Noel
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of jareds
> Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2007 10:59 AM
> To: kitfox@sportflight.com kitfox@sportflight.com
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Master Relay
>
>
>
> I have had a battery drain on my 582 for years and the last time i
> troubleshot it seemed like it wasn't any instrement because
> they all ran
> through the master relay. Has anyone substituted a NAPA
> start relay for
> the electrical system before? Or are they all the same?
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Mystery Rivets |
Not sure I can figure out the failure mode that could cause a crash due to ANY
kind of rivet being used to attach the butt ribs to the brackets?? [Rolling Eyes]
I wouldn't go switching out the SS rivets for the lift strut brackets on the spars
but pretty much any rivet can be used successfully to secure lexan to the
doors, etc. whether it's from Aircraft Spruce or the hardware store.
Regards,
Ted
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| Subject: | tiny Tach for a 912? |
1 spark every 720 deg. (certified engines) That is why impulse couplers
work. As far as I know all the auto conversions are the same.
Noel
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Don G
> Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2007 1:01 PM
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Kitfox-List: tiny Tach for a 912?
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> Some time back, I remember Fred asking about the model of a
> tiny tach for a 912. Never did find a response. Anbody know
> which model tiny tach to use for a 912 UL?
>
> Just how does this ignition fire anyway?
> 1 spark per rev?....2 sparks per rev? 1 every 4?...hmmm
>
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> Don G.
> Central Illinois
> Kitfox IV Speedster
> Luscombe 8A
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> http://www.geocities.com/dagger369th/my_firefly.htm
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| Subject: | Re: Master Relay |
A good source for master relays is from the RV dealers. Similar relays are
used to connect auxiliary batteries.
Noel
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
> Giovanni Day
> Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2007 1:08 PM
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Master Relay
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> What ever relay you use you need to make sure it is intended
> for continual use. Most automotive starter relays are not
> intended for more than a few minutes use at a time.
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> Giovanni Day
> Model 4 speedster 912
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| Subject: | tiny Tach for a 912? |
I believe that the 912 is different from auto converstions with a firing every
360 degrees. I have heard the term lost or wasted spark. The plugs fire on both
the compression and exhaust stroke as I understand the operation.
I could be wrong though, electricity is a black art. Switching load, switching
ground, all sorts of things. Does one ever really knows which way the current
is flowing?
And when you figure out that 3-fingered diagram then you can start on the Bing
carburetor and their 3 or is 4 different but interrelated circuits.
John Kerr
-------------- Original message --------------
From: "Noel Loveys" <noelloveys@yahoo.ca>
>
> 1 spark every 720 deg. (certified engines) That is why impulse couplers
> work. As far as I know all the auto conversions are the same.
>
> Noel
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> > [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Don G
> > Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2007 1:01 PM
> > To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> > Subject: Kitfox-List: tiny Tach for a 912?
> >
> >
> >
> > Some time back, I remember Fred asking about the model of a
> > tiny tach for a 912. Never did find a response. Anbody know
> > which model tiny tach to use for a 912 UL?
> >
> > Just how does this ignition fire anyway?
> > 1 spark per rev?....2 sparks per rev? 1 every 4?...hmmm
> >
> > --------
> > Don G.
> > Central Illinois
> > Kitfox IV Speedster
> > Luscombe 8A
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<DIV>I believe that the 912 is different from auto converstions with a firing every
360 degrees. I have heard the term lost or wasted spark. The plugs
fire on both the compression and exhaust stroke as I understand the operation.
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<DIV>I could be wrong though, electricity is a black art. Switching
load, switching ground, all sorts of things. Does one ever really knows
which way the current is flowing?</DIV>
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<DIV>And when you figure out that 3-fingered diagram then you can start on the
Bing carburetor and their 3 or is 4 different but interrelated circuits.</DIV>
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| Subject: | Re: Master Relay |
That is exactly the feedback i was looking for....
I thought i remembered a difference but was not sure and certainly an
auto parts store start relay would not be for continual use so i need
to keep that in mind when i search
Giovanni Day wrote:
>
>What ever relay you use you need to make sure it is intended for continual use.
Most automotive starter relays are not intended for more than a few minutes
use at a time.
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>_______________________________________
>Giovanni Day
>Model 4 speedster 912
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| Subject: | Re: Mystery Rivets |
--- flier <flier@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> Not sure I can figure out the failure mode that
> could cause a crash due to ANY kind of rivet being
> used to attach the butt ribs to the brackets??
> [Rolling Eyes]
>
> I wouldn't go switching out the SS rivets for the
> lift strut brackets on the spars but pretty much any
> rivet can be used successfully to secure lexan to
> the doors, etc. whether it's from Aircraft Spruce or
> the hardware store.
>
> Regards,
>
> Ted
----------------------------------------------------
Sorry Ted. I have to disagree. There have been
several cases of the upper canopy section explosively
blowing up from failure of the butt rib caps letting
go.
There is a lot of lift over the top window augmented
by the prop blast. These butt ribs are as important
as any wing rib, but with you right underneath. If
one fails in any way, it will at least scare the heck
out of you and disrupt the airflow back to the tail.
Not good during a critical phase of flight.
I reinforced the butt rib caps on my plane due to the
advise and experience that came from this list and I
am very thankful for it. I wouldn't recommend risking
unknown rivits here either. These ribs are not
mounted to the spars like the others. All you have
are those rivets.
That is not to say that I don't have a lot of
"roadkill" on my plane, but I keep it in low risk
places. For example I used aluminum 1/4 inch bolts
instead of a steel ones to hold a one pound item in
place. The bolt fits the hole, but doesn't need to
carry 8000 lbs, so I went for light weight instead.
Save weight, but don't compromise strength.
By the way, the item was my master solenoid, since we
are on that subject.
Kurt Schrader
S-5/NSI turbo
Florida and Panama
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| Subject: | Re: tiny Tach for a 912? |
I made sure I had the right one, the factory for these things sent it to me, I
couldn't get a proper rpm reading, they said add more wire and wrap the plug wire
some more, I did, didn't work. So I chucked it. There is another one out
there that is better, just can't think of the name.
On the strut fairings, I installed them as per instructions, they slip over the
struts and snap in the back, they say to glue them in place, I didn't, they work
great and center on their own in flight.
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kitfoxmike
model IV, 1200
speedster
912ul
building
RV7a
slowbuild wings, fuse, finish kit
"if you're not getting razzed from pilots or the FAA then you're not flying
enough"
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| Subject: | Re: 912UL max and cruise RPM |
Paul Seehafer,
Thanks for the note and the picture, i love it. I have been missing my
floats and am need of a fix. Please keep me advised and any pictures or info
ect. Would be appreciated. I really want to get on floats!
John Oakley
And regarding those new floats....
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| Subject: | Re: tiny Tach for a 912? |
> On Wed, 18 Jul 2007 21:26:47 +0200, <kerrjohna@comcast.net> wrote:
> I believe that the 912 is different from auto converstions with a firing
> every 360 degrees. I have heard the term lost or wasted spark. The
> plugs fire on both the compression and exhaust stroke as I understand
> the operation.
>
> I could be wrong though, electricity is a black art. Switching load,
> switching ground, all sorts of things. Does one ever really knows which
> way the current is flowing?
>
> And when you figure out that 3-fingered diagram then you can start on
> the Bing carburetor and their 3 or is 4 different but interrelated
> circuits.
>
> John Kerr
Right you are John,
The Rotax use the "wasted" spark ignition system, for both the two strokes
and the four strokes!
As a four stroke need 720 deg between each "full" stroke, the spark will
ignite every 360 deg. The two stroke need 360 for each stroke and will
ignite every 180 deg.
This is a real smart "setup" to obtain redundancy in a ignition system for
our kind of use.
Here is a little link to Wikipedia about such systems:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wasted_spark
Cheers
Torgeir
Kitfox Model II, 1993
Engine: Rotax 532 with B gearbox
Propeller: IVO UL 366Q
Tromsoe
NORWAY.
Weather in Tromso right now:
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City map of Tromso:
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I am not sure that I will be there all week but if I am I will be at the
dinner. If some one was to set up something earlier could they use your
booth as a place to leave that INFO
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of jdmcbean
Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2007 10:59 AM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: oshkosh
Kitfox dinner is planned for Friday, July 27th .. Come see us at the booth
for the details.. We are in the North Aircraft display
Fly Safe !!
John & Debra McBean
208.337.5111
www.kitfoxaircraft.com
"It's not how Fast... It's how Fun!"
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of kirk hull
Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2007 8:29 PM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: oshkosh
Any one going to osh this year and want to get together for dinner? Or is
there already a Kitfox dinner planned? If anyone is interested respond by
email before sat on my cell is 816-686-3719 and I will have it in osh
205AK (red and black classic4) will be in homebuilt parking but I am
staying at the Y
6:30 PM
6:30 PM
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| Subject: | instrument panel color |
Anyone have any thoughts on best colors or colors to avoid when painting
the instrument panel? My airplane is red and yellow but don't want
problems with glare. Thanks,
Brent Bidus
Classic 4/912
Colorado Springs CO
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Shouldn't be a problem...
Fly Safe !!
John & Debra McBean
208.337.5111
www.kitfoxaircraft.com
"It's not how Fast... It's how Fun!"
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of kirk hull
Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2007 6:23 PM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: oshkosh
I am not sure that I will be there all week but if I am I will be at the
dinner. If some one was to set up something earlier could they use your
booth as a place to leave that INFO
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of jdmcbean
Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2007 10:59 AM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: oshkosh
Kitfox dinner is planned for Friday, July 27th .. Come see us at the booth
for the details.. We are in the North Aircraft display
Fly Safe !!
John & Debra McBean
208.337.5111
www.kitfoxaircraft.com
"It's not how Fast... It's how Fun!"
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of kirk hull
Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2007 8:29 PM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: oshkosh
Any one going to osh this year and want to get together for dinner? Or is
there already a Kitfox dinner planned? If anyone is interested respond by
email before sat on my cell is 816-686-3719 and I will have it in osh
205AK (red and black classic4) will be in homebuilt parking but I am
staying at the Y
6:30 PM
6:30 PM
6:30 PM
6:30 PM
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| Subject: | instrument panel color |
Flat black would be the best. Really any color that is not shiny ( no
gloss) will do fine. My fox is red and I have a flat black panel. Attached
is a photo.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Brent E Bidus
Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2007 7:24 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: instrument panel color
Anyone have any thoughts on best colors or colors to avoid when painting
the instrument panel? My airplane is red and yellow but don't want
problems with glare. Thanks,
Brent Bidus
Classic 4/912
Colorado Springs CO
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| Subject: | Re: instrument panel color |
First time I saw a white panel I thought it was the greatest thing. Later read
that what you want to stand out are the white markings on the gauges so that
a dark panel is preferred. Made sense to me so I had mine powder coated a textured
dark grey. I love it. They powdercoated the panel front back and inside
the map box. A drop down for throttle quadrant and the control sticks all
for 35 bucks. I think it was the best deal I got on any thing for the whole plane.
Maxwell
Brent E Bidus <brentbidus@juno.com> wrote:
Anyone have any thoughts on best colors or colors to avoid when painting
the instrument panel? My airplane is red and yellow but don't want
problems with glare. Thanks,
Brent Bidus
Classic 4/912
Colorado Springs CO
Maxwell Duke
S6/TD/IO240
Dublin, GA
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| Subject: | Re: instrument panel color |
My feeling when it comes to the instrument panel is
that you want to see the instruments, not the panel.
Pretty panels are ok for show, but harder to fly with.
You might look at the stone simulated paints at the
hardware store. Something with a lower glare and nice
look that hides blemishes. Easy to spray on too.
Just a thought. I used a medium gray and like how my
panel came out. Attached is a small pic of it. Large
pic available.
Kurt Schrader
S-5/NSI turbo
Florida and Panama
=================================================
--- Brent E Bidus <brentbidus@juno.com> wrote:
> Anyone have any thoughts on best colors or colors to
> avoid when painting
> the instrument panel? My airplane is red and yellow
> but don't want problems with glare. Thanks,
>
> Brent Bidus
> Classic 4/912
> Colorado Springs CO
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| Subject: | Re: instrument panel color |
Brent,
my model 5 is red and yellow as well. Panel is dark grey and charcoal
Trey
----- Original Message -----
From: Brent E Bidus
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2007 6:23 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: instrument panel color
Anyone have any thoughts on best colors or colors to avoid when
painting
the instrument panel? My airplane is red and yellow but don't want
problems with glare. Thanks,
Brent Bidus
Classic 4/912
Colorado Springs CO
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| Subject: | Re: instrument panel color |
I used a Hammer Mill grey enamel. It goes with about any color with no
glare in direct sun and shows no finger prints or dirt. You can also
easily read the gauges and such.
Dee Young
Model II
East Idaho
Do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: Brent E Bidus<mailto:brentbidus@juno.com>
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com<mailto:kitfox-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2007 6:23 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: instrument panel color
<brentbidus@juno.com<mailto:brentbidus@juno.com>>
Anyone have any thoughts on best colors or colors to avoid when
painting
the instrument panel? My airplane is red and yellow but don't want
problems with glare. Thanks,
Brent Bidus
Classic 4/912
Colorado Springs CO
http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List<http://www.matronics.com/N
avigator?Kitfox-List>
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| Subject: | instrument panel color |
Lucky Lindy used brushed aluminium.... I would use flat black... The
flatter and blacker the better.
I saw the Spirit of St Louis in the museum of air and space a couple of
years ago. I wouldn't want to fly that plane for ten minutes let alone
across the ocean!
Noel
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
> Brent E Bidus
> Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2007 9:54 PM
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Kitfox-List: instrument panel color
>
>
>
> Anyone have any thoughts on best colors or colors to avoid
> when painting
> the instrument panel? My airplane is red and yellow but don't want
> problems with glare. Thanks,
>
> Brent Bidus
> Classic 4/912
> Colorado Springs CO
>
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| Subject: | instrument panel color |
Here's another alternative finish for the instrument panel. I covered my
panel with a thin wood veneer, then stained it a dark mahogany color,
then varnished it. My KF is red and the wood grain panel looks rich and
nostalgic of early airplanes.
I got the veneer at a wood supply shop and I picked through the stack
until I found the grain that I wanted. It had an adhesive backing that
stuck like crazy to the aluminum (cleaned well). It has not shown any
signs of loosening in 10 years.
Clem Wehner
KFIV-912
Lawton, OK
>
> Anyone have any thoughts on best colors or colors to avoid
> when painting
> the instrument panel? My airplane is red and yellow but don't want
> problems with glare. Thanks,
>
> Brent Bidus
> Classic 4/912
> Colorado Springs CO
>
>
>
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| Subject: | instrument panel color |
On mine I used a counter top laminate ,thin not to heavy also put it on floor to
match all in flat wood grain finish got it from Home Depot $12.00
kirk hull <kirkhull@kc.rr.com> wrote: Flat black would be the best. Really any
color that is not shiny ( no
gloss) will do fine. My fox is red and I have a flat black panel. Attached
is a photo.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Brent E Bidus
Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2007 7:24 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: instrument panel color
Anyone have any thoughts on best colors or colors to avoid when painting
the instrument panel? My airplane is red and yellow but don't want
problems with glare. Thanks,
Brent Bidus
Classic 4/912
Colorado Springs CO
Jerry Evans
96% done 582
Magalia Calif.
N582'er'
kitfox 555
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