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1. 12:11 AM - Re: How many hours on a 582 (Michel Verheughe)
2. 03:36 AM - wind dammage (fox5flyer)
3. 03:50 AM - How many hours on a 582 (fox5flyer)
4. 05:55 AM - plug not firing ()
5. 06:54 AM - Re: wind dammage (Dan Billingsley)
6. 08:56 AM - Re: wind dammage (kitfoxmike)
7. 09:10 AM - Re: Re: wind dammage (john oakley)
8. 11:16 AM - Re: wind dammage (kitfoxmike)
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| Subject: | Re: How many hours on a 582 |
On Jul 24, 2007, at 4:12 AM, GONER752@aol.com wrote:
> Actually I would prefer to see any opinions/experience, anecdotal or
> otherwise,on this topic posted here, as I also run a 582.
Dave and Greg, here is my story. I don't know if it's a good one or an
example to follow; you'll take your own conclusion.
When I bought my Kitfox 3 with a 582, five years ago, the engine had
170 hours and was running fine. But this was an engine from 1991 and
Rotax recommended to change the old and weaker crankshaft at 150 hours.
When asking what it would cost, the Rotax agent in Sweden told me that
replacing the shaft was as expensive as buying a new engine. My
inspector made it clear that I had to follow all Rotax bulletins.
Basically, I had bought an aircraft without engine.
After a few discussions, some of which on this valuable and respectable
list, I went to buy a Conrod Clearance Tester. You put it in your
cylinder and measure how much slack there is in the conrod. The idea
is: a crankshaft doesn't fail without suffering first excessive wear.
As your engine gets older, you check and plot the clearance and if you
see a sudden increase in it, you know something is about to happen.
Checking both cylinders takes only ten minutes and I used to do that
every five hours.
At 290 hours, I sold my 582 and bought a Jabiru 2200. I believe my old
engine flew to about 400 hours when the new owner forgot the coolant
cap, one day, and damaged the engine. Otherwise it might have gone
maybe 600 hours. I don't see why a well maintained 582 shouldn't live
that long.
Anyway, my "method" was to purchase a Conrod Clearance Tester from here:
http://www.skydrive.co.uk/sd_to_ou.asp
Cheers,
Michel Verheughe
Norway
Kitfox 3 - Jabiru 2200
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It's good that you discovered the problem before the airplane left the
ground John. Thanks for sharing it with us.
do not archive
Deke Morisse
N148DM
S5/Soob/CAP
NE Michigan
"The influence of each human being on others in this life is a kind of
immortality."
-- John Quincy Adams
----- Original Message -----
From: "john oakley" <john@leptron.com>
Sent: Monday, July 23, 2007 9:55 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: wind dammage
>
> I finished repairing my fox last night. It sat tied down at ogd in a
> microburst. Broken rubber hinges were the test of my patience.2 of the
three
> rod ends used the speedster tail were broken. (Were some broken before the
> storm?) I never would have found them in a walk around, but felt the
rudder
> move while I was washing the plane. I will now use a flashlight to check
> them forever.
> Many thanks, to John as kitfox for taking time out of his busy schedule to
> look up part numbers and send them for me. I am headed to billings Montana
> this week, and john was very understanding.
>
> John Oakley
> Model 4 speedster
> Short wing
> 912 ul
> Cap
> I am now over 1200 hours of kitfox flight time, in my log... what next
>
>
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| Subject: | How many hours on a 582 |
Greg, hopefully the anecdotal you will take with a grain of salt.
However, my 1994 vintage model II with old B-box went just shy of 400
hours before I sold it to a gentleman who put another 150 on it before
it was sold and finally over hauled. As I understand, it currently
resides down in Mexico somewhere still flying with the same engine.
During my tenure with it, other than a cracked flywheel that was
replaced with an improved version (discovered while still on the
ground), the engine never failed. I never even had the head off of it.
IMO the key is to spend the time to understand how 2 strokes work, keep
the prop pitched correctly, and keep a stock of main jets handy, and
except for landing, always idle above 2k. The first thing I had to
change was the idle jet to a leaner one that smoothed out the idle
considerably. They're good engines. By their nature, they just need a
little bit of extra care to keep them at peak efficiency.
Deke Morisse
N148DM
S5/Soob/CAP
NE Michigan
All,
Actually I would prefer to see any opinions/experience, anecdotal or
otherwise, on this topic posted here, as I also run a 582.
Thanks,
Greg G.
Macedon, N.Y.
23NK
n375KL
Mod 2
582
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Need HELP
I have a 912ul with 1 plug not firing. I have narrowed it down to the upper plug
on
cylinder #3. So far I have checked the following items.
1) Spark plug (changed)
2) Spark plug wire
3) Spark Plug cap for resistance
4) Checked Triggers For resistance
Looking for ideas were to look??
Gary Henderson
Weatherford, Oklahoma
Spdster912LS
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| Subject: | Re: wind dammage |
John,
Sorry to hear of the microburst incident...those anyone can do without. Glad
you found the gremlins before they found you.
Dan B
Mesa, AZ
KF-IV Building
john oakley <john@leptron.com> wrote:
I finished repairing my fox last night. It sat tied down at ogd in a
microburst. Broken rubber hinges were the test of my patience.2 of the three
rod ends used the speedster tail were broken. (Were some broken before the
storm?) I never would have found them in a walk around, but felt the rudder
move while I was washing the plane. I will now use a flashlight to check
them forever.
Many thanks, to John as kitfox for taking time out of his busy schedule to
look up part numbers and send them for me. I am headed to billings Montana
this week, and john was very understanding.
John Oakley
Model 4 speedster
Short wing
912 ul
Cap
I am now over 1200 hours of kitfox flight time, in my log... what next
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| Subject: | Re: wind dammage |
I'm a little confused. Not uncommon. But, explain the rubber bushings in the
rudder? My rudder is held in place with rod ends.
--------
kitfoxmike
model IV, 1200
speedster
912ul
building
RV7a
slowbuild wings, fuse, finish kit
"if you're not getting razzed from pilots or the FAA then you're not flying
enough"
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| Subject: | Re: wind dammage |
Ok, a little smile here, It was late and I misspelled several things, I am
old what can I say. It was the rod bearings in the rudder that broke. There
are 3 that are 3/16 threaded ends and a forth (the bottom one) that has 1/4
inch threads. The rudder was thrown to the stops and snapped the threaded
ends off. I remember on my grand canyon flight that I felt a touch of
vibration in the rudder at one point, I hope to heck I was not flying it
with some broken hinges. I scares the hell out of me.
John Oakley
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of kitfoxmike
Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2007 9:56 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: wind dammage
I'm a little confused. Not uncommon. But, explain the rubber bushings in
the rudder? My rudder is held in place with rod ends.
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kitfoxmike
model IV, 1200
speedster
912ul
building
RV7a
slowbuild wings, fuse, finish kit
"if you're not getting razzed from pilots or the FAA then you're not
flying enough"
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| Subject: | Re: wind dammage |
well, if you felt vibration then and you don't now, than chances are you where
flying with broken rod ends, eek. I hava a friend with a Comander and his boy
found worn out rod ends on his elevator, eek, he didn't know he was flying around
with that problem.
When I was at Arlington it was pointed out to me that the gear case had too much
end play for the prop. When I saw it I freaked. I flew it home and as soon
as I got home the gear box came off. The gears were ok, but the washers and
the eccentric was changed, 300 dollars later, and two days, she was flying again.
Sure is nice and quiet and less vibration.
--------
kitfoxmike
model IV, 1200
speedster
912ul
building
RV7a
slowbuild wings, fuse, finish kit
"if you're not getting razzed from pilots or the FAA then you're not flying
enough"
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