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1. 06:21 AM - Re: Re: need engineer type to run a calculation (Noel Loveys)
2. 07:54 AM - Re: need engineer type to run a calculation (akflyer)
3. 08:32 AM - Re: Another Kitfox IV-1200 ready for first flight (Michel Verheughe)
4. 10:04 AM - Sliding window for camera (wingnut)
5. 10:27 AM - Re: Sliding window for camera (kitfoxmike)
6. 10:42 AM - Re: Sliding window for camera (wingnut)
7. 11:03 AM - Sliding window for camera (Rexster)
8. 11:55 AM - Re: Re: Sliding window for camera (michael paton)
9. 12:39 PM - Re: Sliding window for camera (Michel Verheughe)
10. 01:08 PM - Re: Sliding window for camera (Rexinator)
11. 01:09 PM - Question on Rivet for windshield installation (John Ciolino)
12. 01:21 PM - Re: Sliding window for camera (Rexinator)
13. 01:48 PM - Re: Question on Rivet for windshield installation (john oakley)
14. 02:01 PM - Anybody around JC or Butler,Tn? (Andy Fultz)
15. 02:16 PM - Question on Rivets for windshield installation (Rexster)
16. 02:51 PM - Re: Question on Rivets for windshield installation (john oakley)
17. 03:25 PM - Re: Re: need engineer type to run a calculation (Noel Loveys)
18. 03:25 PM - Re: Question on Rivets for windshield installation (Marco Menezes)
19. 04:17 PM - Re: Sliding window for camera (Noel Loveys)
20. 04:27 PM - Re: Re: Sliding window for camera (Noel Loveys)
21. 04:33 PM - Re: Re: Sliding window for camera (Noel Loveys)
22. 04:35 PM - Re: Sliding window for camera (wingnut)
23. 05:10 PM - Re: need engineer type to run a calculation (akflyer)
24. 05:15 PM - Re: Sliding window for camera (kitfoxmike)
25. 05:18 PM - Re: Sliding window for camera (kitfoxmike)
26. 05:24 PM - Re: Question on Rivets for windshield installation (Dan Billingsley)
27. 05:25 PM - Re: Sliding window for camera (kitfoxmike)
28. 05:26 PM - Re: Sliding window for camera (kitfoxmike)
29. 05:49 PM - Re: Re: need engineer type to run a calculation (Noel Loveys)
30. 06:51 PM - Re: Sliding window for camera (Tom Jones)
31. 08:26 PM - Re: Sliding window for camera (wingnut)
32. 08:59 PM - Re: Re: Sliding window for camera (Rexinator)
33. 10:17 PM - Re: Re: Sliding window for camera (James Shumaker)
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| Subject: | Re: need engineer type to run a calculation |
Mark a line on the outside of your float where you want the waterline to
be
at full load. Place your floats on a set of scales absconded form the
local highways dept. and zero the scales. Next, fill them to the line.
The
weight of the water will be your displacement.
You can also fill the floats to your line with a 1Litre milk bottle (
metric
is a lot easier here there is no U.S. litre :-)) Count the number of
litres
to fill the float to the line and multiply by 1 this will give you your
displacement in Kilograms to your useful water line. You can multiply
the
number of Kilograms by 2.205 to get the number of pounds.
If you really want to fool with U.S. gallons ( 4 qt. to the gal ) the
weight
of a U.S. gallon is about 8.36 lb.
The weight of a "real" ;-) Imperial Gallon of water is around 10 lb.
These weights are approximations as the density of water changes with
temperature. they should be close enough for "Government Work".
Consider filling the float on a beach where sand will help support the
float
and there is less chance to damage the float. And pump the float dry
before
moving it. Be sure your float isn't leaking the water out or your
capacity
will be high.
You could ask the float designer what the operational displacement is.
That
saves time, sand and a day at the beach!
Noel Loveys, RPP, AME intern
Campbellton, Newfoundland,
Canada
Kitfox Mod III-A, 582, B box, Ivo IFA
Aerocet 1100s
<mailto:noelloveys@yahoo.ca> noelloveys@yahoo.ca
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> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of darinh
> Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2007 2:02 AM
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: need engineer type to run a calculation
>
>
>
> Leonard,
>
> How accurate do you want the figure? The reason I ask is
> that some floats have complex curves particularly in the hull
> area and the calculations would be fairly involved to find
> exact displacement. If you are looking for a ballpark
> number, say plus or minus 5% to 10%, you could simply divide
> the float into sections and approximate the sections using a
> series of varing sizes of cubes (the more sections, the
> greater the accuracy)...find the volume of the cubes and then
> you would have your displacement. Keep in mind that the
> float will displace more water the further under water it is
> (i.e. a float that is partially submerged displaces less
> water than a float that is completely submerged). If your
> wondering about my credentials, I am one of those engineer
> types...a civil engineer.
>
> This may be a dumb question as I am not up to speed on the
> various floats offered but wouldn't the manufacturer have
> that information for you (they would have to figure
> displacement to determine the capacity of the float). If you
> are using a scaled down version, simply scale down the
> displacement the manufacturer has by the amount your floats
> are scaled.
>
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> Darin Hawkes
> Series 7 (under Construction)
> 914 Turbo
> Ogden, Utah
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| Subject: | Re: need engineer type to run a calculation |
the floats are a scaled down version of the northaires that were made of fiberglass.
They are foam filled with no hatches or pump outs.. I am not fond of the
foam filling or no pump outs, but they are on my brothers plane not mine! I
have a set of the northaire drawings, and will copy them in autocad, then scale
them to the dimensions he has. After that it will be easy to find the volume...
now I just need time to model them in cad.
I installed the floats on his plane last week and did the test flying. solo it
was great, but with 2 200+ guys, a full nose tank and 7 gallns in the wing, it
was a bit of a slug to get off the water. she sat a little low for my liking,
but most beaver drivers up here will tell you that any float left sticking
out of the water is wasted revenue (only partialy kidding here).
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Leonard Perry
Soldotna AK
Avid "C" / Mk IV
582 IVO IFA
Full Lotus 1260
95% complete
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| Subject: | Re: Another Kitfox IV-1200 ready for first flight |
On Jul 30, 2007, at 12:23 AM, Geir Olav ien wrote:
> And thanks to Michel, that told me that it was a skyfox cowling in
> Norway that the Jabiru dealer almost gave away , I think it looks nice
> with that cowling around the Jabiru
Congratulation, Geir, your Kitfox looks REALLY good! I am glad I could
help.
Last week, I went to Belgium to fetch a Slepcev Storch with a pilot
from Frde. After a nice flight to Sweden (Hgans) I had to leave the
plane and pilot there because of the bad weather and I needed to be at
work Monday.
Tomorrow, I'll fly my Kitfox with another pilot, fetch the Storch and
fly north-westward toward Frde-Bringeland. But the next low will
already be over the west coast and we will probably won't make it
further than Dagali.
Where is your plane now?
Med vennlig hilsen,
Michel Verheughe
Norway
Kitfox 3 - Jabiru 2200
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| Subject: | Sliding window for camera |
Anyone know of a simple way to add a small sliding window to the upper door of
a kitfox? I saw a picture once where someone converted the whole top half of the
door into hinged window but I was thinking of something simpler. I just need
to open a whole large enough to stick the lense of a camera through. My sister
wants to explore some aerial photography from my kitfox but she's too chicken
to fly with the doors off (come to think of it, so am I) and I don't think
she can get a good quality picture shooting through the lexan.
--------
Luis Rodriguez
Model IV 1200
Rotax 912UL
Flying Weekly
Laurens, SC (34A)
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| Subject: | Re: Sliding window for camera |
Slow down and open the door, ya right, I haven't done that yet, but I'm getting
my nerve up, may do it yet.
--------
kitfoxmike
model IV, 1200
speedster
912ul
building
RV7a
slowbuild wings, fuse, finish kit
"if you're not getting razzed from pilots or the FAA then you're not flying
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| Subject: | Re: Sliding window for camera |
I had the passenger door pop open on me on my first solo with the Kitfox so I know
it's not a big deal. My instructor was unfamiliar witht he door latch and
I failed to double check that it was secure. That was the passenger door though
and I had to change my shorts after as it was. I can't imagine what it would
be like for my sister to hold a camera out an open door while hanging out the
bottom of a turn while I try to keep the target in view.
--------
Luis Rodriguez
Model IV 1200
Rotax 912UL
Flying Weekly
Laurens, SC (34A)
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| Subject: | Sliding window for camera |
I fly with doors open sometimes. Keep this in mind. Remember how the doo
r latch didn't do its job one time? Consider what happens if the seatbel
t latch doesn't hold on either (for whatever reason) while turning sharp
ly. Just keep that in mind so you don't land with one less person on boa
rd. It's a lonely final approach!
Rex in Michigan
-- "wingnut" <wingnut@spamarrest.com> wrote:
I had the passenger door pop open on me on my first solo with the Kitfox
so I know it's not a big deal. My instructor was unfamiliar witht he do
or latch and I failed to double check that it was secure. That was the p
assenger door though and I had to change my shorts after as it was. I ca
n't imagine what it would be like for my sister to hold a camera out an
open door while hanging out the bottom of a turn while I try to keep the
target in view.
--------
Luis Rodriguez
Model IV 1200
Rotax 912UL
Flying Weekly
Laurens, SC (34A)
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| Subject: | Re: Sliding window for camera |
Its a lot easier to take the door off , we do a lot of photography from the plane
and the doors havnt been back on in 2 years , I wouldnt put my doors back on
in a hurry , much prefer the rush of freedom. good luck
Michael
9J-FOX
series 5, 912 100 hp
kitfoxmike <customtrans@qwest.net> wrote:
Slow down and open the door, ya right, I haven't done that yet, but I'm getting
my nerve up, may do it yet.
--------
kitfoxmike
model IV, 1200
speedster
912ul
building
RV7a
slowbuild wings, fuse, finish kit
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| Subject: | Re: Sliding window for camera |
On Jul 31, 2007, at 8:01 PM, Rexster wrote:
> I fly with doors open sometimes. Keep this in mind. Remember how the
> door latch didn't do its job one time? Consider what happens if the
> seatbelt latch doesn't hold on either (for whatever reason) while
> turning sharply. Just keep that in mind so you don't land with one
> less person on board. It's a lonely final approach!
... and don't do sideslips with the doors open. I understand a member
of this list lost his turtledeck doing that once. Do I remember
correctly?
Cheers,
Michel Verheughe
Norway
Kitfox 3 - Jabiru 2200
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| Subject: | Re: Sliding window for camera |
A snap vent probably the simplest vent and I expect you could just leave
it out before flight to use for photos.
http://www.aircraftspruce.com/menus/ap/vents.html
Rexinator
wingnut wrote:
>
>Anyone know of a simple way to add a small sliding window to the upper door of
a kitfox? I saw a picture once where someone converted the whole top half of
the door into hinged window but I was thinking of something simpler. I just need
to open a whole large enough to stick the lense of a camera through. My sister
wants to explore some aerial photography from my kitfox but she's too chicken
to fly with the doors off (come to think of it, so am I) and I don't think
she can get a good quality picture shooting through the lexan.
>
>--------
>Luis Rodriguez
>Model IV 1200
>Rotax 912UL
>Flying Weekly
>Laurens, SC (34A)
>
>
--
Rex Hefferan
SE Colorado / K-II / 582-C / still waiting repairs
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| Subject: | Question on Rivet for windshield installation |
I am replacing my windshield with 3/32 (.90) lexan. The builder's manual
(from 1992) gives a Skystar part number for the pop rivets used the hold the
windshield/skylight to the butt ribs but does not describe the rivets except
to say they are aluminum.
Aluminum rivets come with aluminum shanks or steel shanks and of course a
variety of head shapes. I will be using the dome head but I am unsure of the
type of rivet I need and the length. I estimate the lexan, rib cap strip
and aluminium reinforcement strip are about 1/4 inch in total thickness.
Can anyone advise the rivet length and rivet type I should use for this.
Thanks
John Ciolino
Model IV-1200
N9294Y
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| Subject: | Re: Sliding window for camera |
By "leave it out" I meant "Not installed" of course!
Rex
Rexinator wrote:
> A snap vent probably the simplest vent and I expect you could just
> leave it out before flight to use for photos.
--
Rex Hefferan
SE Colorado / K-II / 582-C / still waiting repairs
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| Subject: | Question on Rivet for windshield installation |
John,
My fox is also 92 vintage. I used the aluminum rivets with aluminum mandrill
thinking that the steel would pull too hard and cause cracking.
John Oakley
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From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Ciolino
Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2007 2:09 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Question on Rivet for windshield installation
I am replacing my windshield with 3/32 (.90) lexan. The builder's manual
(from 1992) gives a Skystar part number for the pop rivets used the hold the
windshield/skylight to the butt ribs but does not describe the rivets except
to say they are aluminum.
Aluminum rivets come with aluminum shanks or steel shanks and of course a
variety of head shapes. I will be using the dome head but I am unsure of the
type of rivet I need and the length. I estimate the lexan, rib cap strip
and aluminium reinforcement strip are about 1/4 inch in total thickness.
Can anyone advise the rivet length and rivet type I should use for this.
Thanks
John Ciolino
Model IV-1200
N9294Y
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| Subject: | Anybody around JC or Butler,Tn? |
Hey guys,
I'll be traveling this weekend and will be in Johnson City and Butler, Tn
Sat., Sun., and Monday. Will probably be staying at Watauga Lake. I'd like
to get together sometime with any builders/flyers within resonable driving
didstance. Let me know if you are close.
Andy Fultz
Starkville, Ms
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| Subject: | Question on Rivets for windshield installation |
I too followed the manual on installation. When I had to drill out each
rivet to replace the windshield the first time, I replaced the rivets wi
th screws instead. I'm not sure, but they may have been called rivnuts.
A small insert went into the material first and then the countersunk scr
ew with a big countersunk washer under it distributes the load. I've cha
nged the windshield one more time since then and the job was a piece of
cake. Same story for the rivets on the doors. I used stainless steel scr
ews for all.
Rex in Michigan
Model 3, 912, 80 HP
Warpdrive
1999 completion
-- "john oakley" <john@leptron.com> wrote:
John,
My fox is also 92 vintage. I used the aluminum rivets with aluminum mand
rill
thinking that the steel would pull too hard and cause cracking.
John Oakley
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From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Ciolin
o
Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2007 2:09 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Question on Rivet for windshield installation
et>
I am replacing my windshield with 3/32 (.90) lexan. The builder's manua
l
(from 1992) gives a Skystar part number for the pop rivets used the hold
the
windshield/skylight to the butt ribs but does not describe the rivets ex
cept
to say they are aluminum.
Aluminum rivets come with aluminum shanks or steel shanks and of course
a
variety of head shapes. I will be using the dome head but I am unsure of
the
type of rivet I need and the length. I estimate the lexan, rib cap str
ip
and aluminium reinforcement strip are about 1/4 inch in total thickness.
Can anyone advise the rivet length and rivet type I should use for this.
Thanks
John Ciolino
Model IV-1200
N9294Y
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<html><P>I too followed the manual on installation. When I had to d
rill out each rivet to replace the windshield the first time, I replaced
the rivets with screws instead. I'm not sure, but they may have been ca
lled rivnuts. A small insert went into the material first and then the c
ountersunk screw with a big countersunk washer under it distributes the
load. I've changed the windshield one more time since then and the job w
as a piece of cake. Same story for the rivets on the doors. I
used stainless steel screws for all.</P>
<P>Rex in Michigan<BR>Model 3, 912, 80 HP<BR>Warpdrive<BR>1999 completio
n</P>
<P><BR><BR>-- "john oakley" <john@leptron.com> 
;wrote:<BR>--> Kitfox-List message posted by:&nbs
p;"john oakley" <john@leptron.com><BR><BR>John,<BR>My&nb
sp;fox is also 92 vintage. I used the
aluminum rivets with aluminum mandrill<BR>thin
king that the steel would pull too ha
rd and cause cracking.<BR><BR>John Oakley<BR><BR>---
--Original Message-----<BR>From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matr
onics.com<BR>[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On&nbs
p;Behalf Of John Ciolino<BR>Sent: Tuesday, July
31, 2007 2:09 PM<BR>To: kitfox-list@matronics.
com<BR>Subject: Kitfox-List: Question on Rivet
for windshield installation<BR><BR>--> Kitfox-List&nbs
p;message posted by: "John Ciolino" <johncio
lino@comcast.net><BR><BR>I am replacing my windsh
ield with 3/32 (.90) lexan. The buil
der's manual <BR>(from 1992) gives a Skyst
ar part number for the pop rivets use
d the hold the<BR><BR>windshield/skylight to th
e butt ribs but does not describe the
rivets except<BR><BR>to say they are alum
inum.<BR><BR>Aluminum rivets come with aluminum 
;shanks or steel shanks and of course 
;a <BR>variety of head shapes. I will 
;be using the dome head but I am 
;unsure of the<BR><BR>type of rivet I&nbs
p;need and the length. I estimate th
e lexan, rib cap strip <BR>and aluminium&n
bsp;reinforcement strip are about 1/4 inch 
;in total thickness.<BR><BR>Can anyone advise t
he rivet length and rivet type I shou
ld use for this.<BR><BR>Thanks<BR><BR>John Ciolino<B
R>Model IV-1200<BR>N9294Y <BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR>
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| Subject: | Question on Rivets for windshield installation |
Rex,
You are right the rivnuts are the best way to attach..
John Oakley
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[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rexster
Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2007 3:15 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Question on Rivets for windshield installation
I too followed the manual on installation. When I had to drill out each
rivet to replace the windshield the first time, I replaced the rivets with
screws instead. I'm not sure, but they may have been called rivnuts. A small
insert went into the material first and then the countersunk screw with a
big countersunk washer under it distributes the load. I've changed the
windshield one more time since then and the job was a piece of cake. Same
story for the rivets on the doors. I used stainless steel screws for all.
Rex in Michigan
Model 3, 912, 80 HP
Warpdrive
1999 completion
-- "john oakley" <john@leptron.com> wrote:
John,
My fox is also 92 vintage. I used the aluminum rivets with aluminum mandrill
thinking that the steel would pull too hard and cause cracking.
John Oakley
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Ciolino
Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2007 2:09 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Question on Rivet for windshield installation
I am replacing my windshield with 3/32 (.90) lexan. The builder's manual
(from 1992) gives a Skystar part number for the pop rivets used the hold the
windshield/skylight to the butt ribs but does not describe the rivets except
to say they are aluminum.
Aluminum rivets come with aluminum shanks or steel shanks and of course a
variety of head shapes. I will be using the dome head but I am unsure of the
type of rivet I need and the length. I estimate the lexan, rib cap strip
and aluminium reinforcement strip are about 1/4 inch in total thickness.
Can anyone advise the rivet length and rivet type I should use for this.
Thanks
John Ciolino
Model IV-1200
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| Subject: | Re: need engineer type to run a calculation |
That shoots my idea of filling the floats with water... Oh well.
The idea of filling the floats with foam is a good one if you are planning
on landing in questionable places. If you rip the bottom out of a float you
can just keep on going. Something like Full Lotus on steroids ;-) I guess.
Sure wish I knew how to do the 3D modelling in AutoCAD. When you get it
done post it so we can learn how you did it. 2D I'm ok at. When it comes
to the 3D and filling....
Noel
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> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of akflyer
> Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2007 12:23 PM
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: need engineer type to run a calculation
>
>
>
> the floats are a scaled down version of the northaires that
> were made of fiberglass. They are foam filled with no
> hatches or pump outs.. I am not fond of the foam filling or
> no pump outs, but they are on my brothers plane not mine! I
> have a set of the northaire drawings, and will copy them in
> autocad, then scale them to the dimensions he has. After
> that it will be easy to find the volume... now I just need
> time to model them in cad.
>
> I installed the floats on his plane last week and did the
> test flying. solo it was great, but with 2 200+ guys, a full
> nose tank and 7 gallns in the wing, it was a bit of a slug to
> get off the water. she sat a little low for my liking, but
> most beaver drivers up here will tell you that any float left
> sticking out of the water is wasted revenue (only partialy
> kidding here).
>
> --------
> Leonard Perry
> Soldotna AK
> Avid "C" / Mk IV
> 582 IVO IFA
> Full Lotus 1260
> 95% complete
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| Subject: | Re: Question on Rivets for windshield installation |
When the Lexan went on, I used stainless truss head sheet metal screws. One or
two have needed re-tightening over time but otherwise no problems. Gotta be alot
easier than drilling out pop-rivets come replacement time.
Rexster <runwayrex@juno.com> wrote: I too followed the manual on installation.
When I had to drill out each rivet to replace the windshield the first time,
I replaced the rivets with screws instead. I'm not sure, but they may have been
called rivnuts. A small insert went into the material first and then the countersunk
screw with a big countersunk washer under it distributes the load.
I've changed the windshield one more time since then and the job was a piece of
cake. Same story for the rivets on the doors. I used stainless steel screws
for all.
Rex in Michigan
Model 3, 912, 80 HP
Warpdrive
1999 completion
-- "john oakley" <john@leptron.com> wrote:
John,
My fox is also 92 vintage. I used the aluminum rivets with aluminum mandrill
thinking that the steel would pull too hard and cause cracking.
John Oakley
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Ciolino
Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2007 2:09 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Question on Rivet for windshield installation
I am replacing my windshield with 3/32 (.90) lexan. The builder's manual
(from 1992) gives a Skystar part number for the pop rivets used the hold the
windshield/skylight to the butt ribs but does not describe the rivets except
to say they are aluminum.
Aluminum rivets come with aluminum shanks or steel shanks and of course a
variety of head shapes. I will be using the dome head but I am unsure of the
type of rivet I need and the length. I estimate the lexan, rib cap strip
and aluminium reinforcement strip are about 1/4 inch in total thickness.
Can anyone advise the rivet length and rivet type I should use for this.
Thanks
John Ciolino
Model IV-1200
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| Subject: | Sliding window for camera |
Flying with the door open and taking pictures is thrilling! My camera
is
basically a right hand operated unit so looking through the viewfinder
just
isn't possible. I can point in a rough direction and press the button
with
reasonable results. I make sure I have a strap from the camera around
my
neck when the door is open and there is no paper or maps out to blow
around.
This picture taken out an open door of my home (with boathouse) Camera
was
actually held upside down and shutter was released with my thumb.
Picture
was later cropped and resized. Picture taken two years ago.
Noel Loveys, RPP, AME intern
Campbellton, Newfoundland,
Canada
Kitfox Mod III-A, 582, B box, Ivo IFA
Aerocet 1100s
<mailto:noelloveys@yahoo.ca> noelloveys@yahoo.ca
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> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of wingnut
> Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2007 2:34 PM
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Sliding window for camera
>
>
>
> Anyone know of a simple way to add a small sliding window to
> the upper door of a kitfox? I saw a picture once where
> someone converted the whole top half of the door into hinged
> window but I was thinking of something simpler. I just need
> to open a whole large enough to stick the lense of a camera
> through. My sister wants to explore some aerial photography
> from my kitfox but she's too chicken to fly with the doors
> off (come to think of it, so am I) and I don't think she can
> get a good quality picture shooting through the lexan.
>
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> Luis Rodriguez
> Model IV 1200
> Rotax 912UL
> Flying Weekly
> Laurens, SC (34A)
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| Subject: | Re: Sliding window for camera |
Slowing down is good. So is not slipping to the open door! Came close once
while step taxiing. (honest)
Fresh air is ok too. The view when the door opens!!!! Awesome!
Noel
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> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
> kitfoxmike
> Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2007 2:57 PM
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Sliding window for camera
>
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> <customtrans@qwest.net>
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> Slow down and open the door, ya right, I haven't done that
> yet, but I'm getting my nerve up, may do it yet.
>
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> kitfoxmike
> model IV, 1200
> speedster
> 912ul
> building
> RV7a
> slowbuild wings, fuse, finish kit
> "if you're not getting razzed from pilots or the FAA
> then you're not flying enough"
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| Subject: | Re: Sliding window for camera |
Keep your turns coordinated and neither of you will have any problems. Fly
slow and try to fly parallel to the area photographed. If you need to go
around and fly by again. Remember most cameras are mildly wide angle which
is ok on the deck but when you're at 3-500 ft a little zoom helps. I stay
away from turns at slow speeds. I never know what I have until I get home.
Noel Loveys, RPP, AME intern
Campbellton, Newfoundland,
Canada
Kitfox Mod III-A, 582, B box, Ivo IFA
Aerocet 1100s
noelloveys@yahoo.ca
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> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of wingnut
> Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2007 3:12 PM
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Sliding window for camera
>
>
>
> I had the passenger door pop open on me on my first solo with
> the Kitfox so I know it's not a big deal. My instructor was
> unfamiliar witht he door latch and I failed to double check
> that it was secure. That was the passenger door though and I
> had to change my shorts after as it was. I can't imagine what
> it would be like for my sister to hold a camera out an open
> door while hanging out the bottom of a turn while I try to
> keep the target in view.
>
> --------
> Luis Rodriguez
> Model IV 1200
> Rotax 912UL
> Flying Weekly
> Laurens, SC (34A)
>
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| Subject: | Re: Sliding window for camera |
The snapvent idea is kind of what I had in mind but I need a larger opening. I've
seen pictures of conventional airplanes with rectangular sections of window
that slide open that would be perfect. I figured that I'd have to fabricate something
similar but I have no idea how to go about it.
rexinator(at)gmail.com wrote:
> A snap vent probably the simplest vent and I expect you could just leave
> it out before flight to use for photos.
> http://www.aircraftspruce.com/menus/ap/vents.html
>
> Rexinator
>
> wingnut wrote:
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> > Anyone know of a simple way to add a small sliding window to the upper door
of a kitfox? I saw a picture once where someone converted the whole top half
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> Rex Hefferan
> SE Colorado / K-II / 582-C / still waiting repairs
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Luis Rodriguez
Model IV 1200
Rotax 912UL
Flying Weekly
Laurens, SC (34A)
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| Subject: | Re: need engineer type to run a calculation |
I just did the 2D to the correct scale and sent it off to my kid so he can do it
in 3D....The only class in highschool he likes or bothers to apply himself in
is the Acad Drafting class.. Staight A's in that class.
One of these days I will learn how to do the 3D. I will post it up when he gets
it done.
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Leonard Perry
Soldotna AK
Avid "C" / Mk IV
582 IVO IFA
Full Lotus 1260
95% complete
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| Subject: | Re: Sliding window for camera |
you mean like these:
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kitfoxmike
model IV, 1200
speedster
912ul
building
RV7a
slowbuild wings, fuse, finish kit
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| Subject: | Re: Sliding window for camera |
only one went through
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kitfoxmike
model IV, 1200
speedster
912ul
building
RV7a
slowbuild wings, fuse, finish kit
"if you're not getting razzed from pilots or the FAA then you're not flying
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| Subject: | Question on Rivets for windshield installation |
John,
It would be best to stay away from using rivets as you have no control over the
compression they apply. I have not installed my windshield yet but I have been
through A&P classes that teach using a slightly bigger hole than your fastener
with possibly a flex sleeve that will seal. It's good to know that most plastics
have a thermal expansion rate at about twice that of alluminum and other
alloys. What that means is if your windshield is fastened tight with a rivet
your windshield will expand in the sun more than your rivet and result in cracking.
FWIW
Dan B, Mesa AZ
KF-IV , 912 S
john oakley <john@leptron.com> wrote:
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st1\:*{behavior:url(#default#ieooui) } Rex,
You are right the rivnuts are the best way to attach..
John Oakley
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From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rexster
Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2007 3:15 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Question on Rivets for windshield installation
I too followed the manual on installation. When I had to drill out each rivet
to replace the windshield the first time, I replaced the rivets with screws instead.
I'm not sure, but they may have been called rivnuts. A small insert went
into the material first and then the countersunk screw with a big countersunk
washer under it distributes the load. I've changed the windshield one more
time since then and the job was a piece of cake. Same story for the rivets on
the doors. I used stainless steel screws for all.
Rex in Michigan
Model 3, 912, 80 HP
Warpdrive
1999 completion
-- "john oakley" <john@leptron.com> wrote:
John,
My fox is also 92 vintage. I used the aluminum rivets with aluminum mandrill
thinking that the steel would pull too hard and cause cracking.
John Oakley
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Ciolino
Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2007 2:09 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Question on Rivet for windshield installation
I am replacing my windshield with 3/32 (.90) lexan. The builder's manual
(from 1992) gives a Skystar part number for the pop rivets used the hold the
windshield/skylight to the butt ribs but does not describe the rivets except
to say they are aluminum.
Aluminum rivets come with aluminum shanks or steel shanks and of course a
variety of head shapes. I will be using the dome head but I am unsure of the
type of rivet I need and the length. I estimate the lexan, rib cap strip
and aluminium reinforcement strip are about 1/4 inch in total thickness.
Can anyone advise the rivet length and rivet type I should use for this.
Thanks
John Ciolino
Model IV-1200
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| Subject: | Re: Sliding window for camera |
lets try this again
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kitfoxmike
model IV, 1200
speedster
912ul
building
RV7a
slowbuild wings, fuse, finish kit
"if you're not getting razzed from pilots or the FAA then you're not flying
enough"
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| Subject: | Re: Sliding window for camera |
You have to view the pics from bottom to top, it was an entry into runway16.
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kitfoxmike
model IV, 1200
speedster
912ul
building
RV7a
slowbuild wings, fuse, finish kit
"if you're not getting razzed from pilots or the FAA then you're not flying
enough"
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| Subject: | Re: need engineer type to run a calculation |
Thanks... I'll be watching for it.
When he draws it up tell him to put in a water line (X) inches below the
deck. You decide the value of X. Then he will be able to get a volume
below that line and from that you can calculate the displacement in lb.
Noel
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of akflyer
> Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2007 9:39 PM
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: need engineer type to run a calculation
>
>
>
> I just did the 2D to the correct scale and sent it off to my
> kid so he can do it in 3D....The only class in highschool he
> likes or bothers to apply himself in is the Acad Drafting
> class.. Staight A's in that class.
>
> One of these days I will learn how to do the 3D. I will post
> it up when he gets it done.
>
> --------
> Leonard Perry
> Soldotna AK
> Avid "C" / Mk IV
> 582 IVO IFA
> Full Lotus 1260
> 95% complete
>
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>
> Read this topic online here:
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> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=126780#126780
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| Subject: | Re: Sliding window for camera |
Luis, your question has got me thinking about this. There is no way my photographer
(wife) is going to fly with the door open or off either. I just went out
and sat on the passenger side. The place I would need a camera port is too
curved for a sliding window.
I think a hinged window would work easier. Why don't you have her sit in the airplane
and mark where the camera port needs to be for her? Cut a rectangular
hole and go fly with her to see if it works. When you have it the right size
and place make a door that swings down to open???
By the way, I fly a lot in helicopters with the doos off. There is no way you
could pry me out of there with a crow bar even if the seat belt came loose.
--------
Tom Jones
Classic IV, Phase one
503 Rotax, 72 inch Two blade Warp
Ellensburg, WA
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| Subject: | Re: Sliding window for camera |
Good point. I was looking at a Cherokee 6 tonight that had exactly that kind of
setup. It looked really simple. Just a rectangle cut out of the window with
a door piano hinged at the bottom. The material used in that Cherokee's window
is nice and thick so the access door made of the same material was quite sturdy.
I'm concerned that the thinner material used in my window will make a flimsy
access door requiring some kind of stiffener around the edge. Hope it doesn't
come out too ugly.
> Luis, your question has got me thinking about this. There is no way my photographer
(wife) is going to fly with the door open or off either. I just went out
and sat on the passenger side. The place I would need a camera port is too curved
for a sliding window.
--------
Luis Rodriguez
Model IV 1200
Rotax 912UL
Flying Weekly
Laurens, SC (34A)
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| Subject: | Re: Sliding window for camera |
I had found this EAA link (for members only) which discusses a way to
fabricate such a window opening. Since you said "simple" I didn't send
it before.
http://members.eaa.org/home/homebuilders/building/canopy/Installing%20a%20Canopy%20Window...Why%20and%20How%20....html
(or log in to EAA.org and search for: "canopy window" in "Search
Members Only" )
Rex
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Rex Hefferan
SE Colorado / K-II / 582-C / still waiting repairs
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| Subject: | Re: Sliding window for camera |
Just take the door off and then you don't have to go through the door opening shock.
Tie the camera to the plane or person. Lens cap off the camera and in
the pocket (so it does not flap around). Actually I don't take the door off
very often. It is easier to just open the door and use the rudder to raise or
lower it. The slower you fly the higher the door floats, and the easier to
open and close.
Jim Shumaker
----- Original Message ----
From: wingnut <wingnut@spamarrest.com>
Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2007 10:42:06 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Sliding window for camera
I had the passenger door pop open on me on my first solo with the Kitfox so I know
it's not a big deal. My instructor was unfamiliar witht he door latch and
I failed to double check that it was secure. That was the passenger door though
and I had to change my shorts after as it was. I can't imagine what it would
be like for my sister to hold a camera out an open door while hanging out the
bottom of a turn while I try to keep the target in view.
--------
Luis Rodriguez
Model IV 1200
Rotax 912UL
Flying Weekly
Laurens, SC (34A)
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