---------------------------------------------------------- Kitfox-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Thu 08/02/07: 19 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 04:13 AM - Re: Off topic...Rhinebeck Aerodrome (RAY Gignac) 2. 06:35 AM - Re: Off topic...Rhinebeck Aerodrome (Marco Menezes) 3. 06:39 AM - Re: Re: instrument panel color (Barry West) 4. 06:40 AM - Re: Re: instrument panel color (Barry West) 5. 07:03 AM - Re: Off topic...Rhinebeck Aerodrome (Fred Shiple) 6. 08:35 AM - Re: Off topic...Rhinebeck Aerodrome (mscotter@comcast.net) 7. 12:55 PM - Jimmy Franklin Tape (Clint Bazzill) 8. 03:06 PM - Re: Jimmy Franklin Tape (dcsfoto) 9. 03:35 PM - Re: Jimmy Franklin Tape (57_kid) 10. 05:08 PM - Re: Re: Jimmy Franklin Tape (Clint Bazzill) 11. 07:02 PM - Re: Re: need engineer type to run a calculation (jdmcbean) 12. 07:08 PM - Re: need engineer type to run a calculation (akflyer) 13. 09:04 PM - Re: Re: need engineer type to run a calculation (Noel Loveys) 14. 09:41 PM - Re: need engineer type to run a calculation (akflyer) 15. 10:28 PM - Re: Jimmy Franklin Tape (ron schick) 16. 11:09 PM - test email (Mark Thompson) 17. 11:09 PM - test email (Mark Thompson) 18. 11:09 PM - test email (Mark Thompson) 19. 11:43 PM - Att'n Clem Wehner (jmcmanus) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 04:13:26 AM PST US From: "RAY Gignac" Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Off topic...Rhinebeck Aerodrome Hey Lynn, I fly a Model IV 1200 with a 912uls! I am based out of W00/Freeway airport inside the ADIZ around Washington DC. I am off work the next four days, think you might come my way? if so lets do some Kitfox flying. Call me at 301-520-3171, thats my cell. Ray >From: Lynn Matteson >To: kitfox-list@matronics.com >Subject: Kitfox-List: Off topic...Rhinebeck Aerodrome >Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2007 21:51:19 -0400 > > > Tomorrow morning a flight of four will take to the sky and head for the >Old Rhinebeck Aerodrome in New York...my Kitfox, two Cessna 150's, and a >twin-engine Apache(?). If anybody wants to join up with us there, I'd love >to meet with you all. We'll be doing the areas of local interest on >Friday, then the shows at the Aerodrome on Sat and Sun, coming home to >Michigan on Monday. Hope to see some Kitfoxers there....I plan to fly into >the place on either Thursday or Friday, after casing the place first. >Flying in there is allowed, but only if you contact them first by phone, >and only if you have a taildragger, and only before noon on show day, >they told me. > >Lynn Matteson >Grass Lake, Michigan >Kitfox IV Speedster w/Jabiru 2200 >flying w/380+ hrs >do not archive > > _________________________________________________________________ Find a local pizza place, movie theater, and more.then map the best route! http://maps.live.com/default.aspx?v=2&ss=yp.bars~yp.pizza~yp.movie%20theater&cp=42.358996~-71.056691&style=r&lvl=13&tilt=-90&dir=0&alt=-1000&scene-0607&encType=1&FORM=MGAC01 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 06:35:15 AM PST US From: Marco Menezes Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Off topic...Rhinebeck Aerodrome Off on another adventure eh Lynn? I know you'll have fun. Fly safe and send us a report when you can. Tomorrow morning a flight of four will take to the sky and head for the Old Rhinebeck Aerodrome in New York...my Kitfox, two Cessna 150's, and a twin-engine Apache(?). If anybody wants to join up with us there, I'd love to meet with you all. We'll be doing the areas of local interest on Friday, then the shows at the Aerodrome on Sat and Sun, coming home to Michigan on Monday. Hope to see some Kitfoxers there....I plan to fly into the place on either Thursday or Friday, after casing the place first. Flying in there is allowed, but only if you contact them first by phone, and only if you have a taildragger, and only before noon on show day, they told me. Lynn Matteson Grass Lake, Michigan Kitfox IV Speedster w/Jabiru 2200 flying w/380+ hrs do not archive Marco Menezes Model 2 582 N99KX --------------------------------- Park yourself in front of a world of choices in alternative vehicles. Visit the Yahoo! Auto Green Center. ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 06:39:31 AM PST US From: "Barry West" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: instrument panel color Good choice, maybe a little toward medium gray. Barry West do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rhino" Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2007 9:13 AM Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: instrument panel color > > I'm planning on light grey with black lettering. > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=126898#126898 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 06:40:31 AM PST US From: "Barry West" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: instrument panel color and use powder coating. BW do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rhino" Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2007 9:13 AM Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: instrument panel color > > I'm planning on light grey with black lettering. > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=126898#126898 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 07:03:59 AM PST US From: Fred Shiple Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Off topic...Rhinebeck Aerodrome Lynn, have a great flight. One of these days I'll get my projects done and free up enough time to go with you. Have a safe trip! Fred ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 08:35:53 AM PST US From: mscotter@comcast.net Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Off topic...Rhinebeck Aerodrome Wow, that is great that you guys got permission to land on the field. I went a few years ago, but had to land at Kingston and get a cab over to Rhinebeck. It's not far (<10 miles), but the shuttling back and forth added a lot of travel time to the day. Parts of the field at Rhinebeck are pretty hilly, so keep your eyes open. You will love the show - lots of great old airplanes and they actually fly a lot of them as long as the winds are low. Mark Scott Elkton, MD USA
 
Wow, that is great that you guys got permission to land on the field.  I went a few years ago, but had to land at Kingston and get a cab over to Rhinebeck.  It's not far (<10 miles), but the shuttling back and forth added a lot of travel time to the day. 
Parts of the field at Rhinebeck are pretty hilly, so keep your eyes open.  You will love the show - lots of great old airplanes and they actually fly a lot of them as long as the winds are low.
 
Mark Scott
Elkton, MD  USA
________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 12:55:14 PM PST US From: "Clint Bazzill" Subject: Kitfox-List: Jimmy Franklin Tape I have an origional Jimmy Franklin tape flying is Oskosh. Am going to throw it out or send it to someone for shipping only. Clint _________________________________________________________________ More photos, more messages, more storageget 2GB with Windows Live Hotmail. ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 03:06:51 PM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Jimmy Franklin Tape From: "dcsfoto" love to have it. let me know how much to ship. david@kelm.com thanks Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=127241#127241 ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 03:35:42 PM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Jimmy Franklin Tape From: "57_kid" And if he doesnt want it i'll take it Steve :D Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=127246#127246 ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 05:08:35 PM PST US From: "Clint Bazzill" Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re: Jimmy Franklin Tape Give me your address. Shouldn't cost over a couple bucks. Will send it as soon as I receive your address. Clint From: "dcsfoto" Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Jimmy Franklin Tape love to have it. let me know how much to ship. david@kelm.com thanks Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=127241#127241 _________________________________________________________________ Puzzles, trivia teasers, word scrambles and more. Play for your chance to win! http://club.live.com/home.aspx?icid=CLUB_hotmailtextlink ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 07:02:44 PM PST US From: "jdmcbean" Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re: need engineer type to run a calculation Interesting... I have never been able to find an AC or a Reg that makes that allocation... Please forward that to me if you have it. I understand it to be accepted behavior in Alaska but it is not endorsed by the FAA.. I have heard 10% not the 100 # Regarding LSA's If you are flying an aircraft that has a max gross weight of 1320.. it does not get to increase the gross when you put floats on it to the 1430 allowed... Fly Safe !! John & Debra McBean 208.337.5111 www.kitfoxaircraft.com "It's not how Fast... It's how Fun!" -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of akflyer Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2007 3:08 PM Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: need engineer type to run a calculation well... the faa allows 100# gross increase when on floats.. The gross on all my certified aircraft were more on floats than wheels or skis. Look up the rules for sport AC.. on floats it is 1420 not 1320.. -------- Leonard Perry Soldotna AK Avid "C" / Mk IV 582 IVO IFA Full Lotus 1260 95% complete Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=127004#127004 5:26 PM 4:53 PM ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 07:08:21 PM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: need engineer type to run a calculation From: "akflyer" DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION Federal Aviation Administration 14 CFR Parts 1, 21, 43, 45, 61, 65, and 91 [Docket No. FAA200111133; Amendment No. 153; 2185; 4339; 4524; 61110; 65 45; 91282] RIN 2120AH19 Certification of Aircraft and Airmen for the Operation of Light-Sport Aircraft AGENCY: Federal Aviation Administration (FAA), DOT. ACTION: Final rule. SUMMARY: The FAA is creating a new rule for the manufacture, certification, operation, and maintenance of lightsport aircraft. Light-sport aircraft weigh less than 1,320 pounds (1,430 pounds for aircraft intended for operation on water) and are heavier and faster than ultralight vehicles and include airplanes, gliders, balloons, powered parachutes, weight-shift-control aircraft, and gyroplanes. This action is necessary to address advances in sport and recreational aviation technology, lack of appropriate regulations for existing aircraft, several petitions for rulemaking, and petitions for exemptions from existing regulations. The intended effect of this action is to provide for the manufacture of safe and economical certificated aircraft that exceed the limits currently allowed by ultralight regulation, and to allow operation of these aircraft by certificated pilots for sport and recreation, to carry a passenger, and to conduct flight training and towing in a safe manner. -------- Leonard Perry Soldotna AK Avid "C" / Mk IV 582 IVO IFA Full Lotus 1260 95% complete Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=127270#127270 ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 09:04:03 PM PST US From: "Noel Loveys" Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re: need engineer type to run a calculation John: Like yourself I have heard this for quite a while and I believer there are a few manufacturers who actually certify their planes differently for floats. The reason, as I under stand it, is that in the water the floats do not stress the airframe in any way. In the air, once past 60 mph., the floats actually fly their own weight again removing the stress of the additional weight, which for small planes is around 100Lb. Also like yourself if there is anything written on this I'm interested! An extra hundred lb. (to 1050) would make my float plane a two passenger machine even with my considerable mass aboard. In the meantime I have come close to 950lb....Full fuel and camping gear. > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of jdmcbean > Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2007 11:32 PM > To: kitfox-list@matronics.com > Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re: need engineer type to run a calculation > > > > > Interesting... I have never been able to find an AC or a Reg > that makes that > allocation... Please forward that to me if you have it. I > understand it to > be accepted behavior in Alaska but it is not endorsed by the > FAA.. I have > heard 10% not the 100 # > > Regarding LSA's If you are flying an aircraft that has a max > gross weight > of 1320.. it does not get to increase the gross when you put > floats on it to > the 1430 allowed... > > > Fly Safe !! > John & Debra McBean > 208.337.5111 > www.kitfoxaircraft.com > "It's not how Fast... It's how Fun!" > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of akflyer > Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2007 3:08 PM > To: kitfox-list@matronics.com > Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: need engineer type to run a calculation > > > well... the faa allows 100# gross increase when on floats.. > The gross on all > my certified aircraft were more on floats than wheels or > skis. Look up the > rules for sport AC.. on floats it is 1420 not 1320.. > > -------- > Leonard Perry > Soldotna AK > Avid "C" / Mk IV > 582 IVO IFA > Full Lotus 1260 > 95% complete > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=127004#127004 > > > > > > > > > > > > 5:26 PM > > 4:53 PM > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 09:41:36 PM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: need engineer type to run a calculation From: "akflyer" http://forum.full-lotus.com/viewtopic.php?t the float manufacture seems to be under the impression that FAA allows a 100# increase when you go on floats also... Every certified AC I have had allowed the 100# gross increase when on floats.. the ruling says you get an extra 110#. I may be confused, but if so then everyone who has a floatplane here is too. Bottom line for 99% of the guys here is if they can get it in the plane, then get the plane in the air, they will swear that they are just under gross and could have safely hauled another 50 pounds..if they could not get it off the water, the passenger lied about thier weight.. -------- Leonard Perry Soldotna AK Avid "C" / Mk IV 582 IVO IFA Full Lotus 1260 95% complete Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=127284#127284 ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 10:28:06 PM PST US From: "ron schick" Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Jimmy Franklin Tape Blasphemy!!! My downloaded copy from Lazair.com is sacred. Not sure if their site is still running. Ron NB Ore KF IV Speedster >From: "Clint Bazzill" >To: kitfox-list@matronics.com >Subject: Kitfox-List: Jimmy Franklin Tape >Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2007 19:54:17 +0000 > > > >I have an origional Jimmy Franklin tape flying is Oskosh. Am going to >throw it out or send it to someone for shipping only. Clint > >_________________________________________________________________ >More photos, more messages, more storageget 2GB with Windows Live Hotmail. > > _________________________________________________________________ Messenger Caf open for fun 24/7. Hot games, cool activities served daily. Visit now. http://cafemessenger.com?ocid=TXT_TAGHM_AugHMtagline ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 11:09:16 PM PST US From: "Mark Thompson" Subject: Kitfox-List: test email sorry guys I am trying to test my new email, thanks...MARKN61AC ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 11:09:16 PM PST US From: "Mark Thompson" Subject: Kitfox-List: test email I am testing my email,sorry for the inconveinence ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 11:09:16 PM PST US From: "Mark Thompson" Subject: Kitfox-List: test email sorry guys I have been having problems with my email,just checking to see if it posts..... Thanks Mark N61AC ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 11:43:17 PM PST US From: "jmcmanus" Subject: Kitfox-List: Att'n Clem Wehner Clem - I have been trying for days to reply to your post about the droop tips, but cannot seem to post to you. Can you give me a phone # please ? 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