---------------------------------------------------------- Kitfox-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sat 08/04/07: 17 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 05:03 AM - Fuel Sensor Leak () 2. 07:02 AM - Re: Fuel Sensor Leak (dcsfoto) 3. 08:07 AM - Re: need engineer type to run a calculation (akflyer) 4. 09:11 AM - NSI re-drives (Paul Steger) 5. 09:40 AM - Re: NSI re-drives (Rick) 6. 09:49 AM - Re: NSI re-drives (Rick) 7. 10:00 AM - FYI--NGK spark plugs for 912 (John Ciolino) 8. 11:07 AM - Please remove this address from the listThank you (John Disher) 9. 11:53 AM - Re: Re: need engineer type to run a calculation (Lowell Fitt) 10. 12:24 PM - Re: NSI re-drives (Peter Graichen) 11. 02:40 PM - New LSA Continental engine () 12. 03:10 PM - Re: New LSA Continental engine (jdmcbean) 13. 03:17 PM - Re: New LSA Continental engine (David Estapa) 14. 05:55 PM - Control Cables (Dan Billingsley) 15. 06:57 PM - Re: need engineer type to run a calculation (akflyer) 16. 08:30 PM - Re: NSI re-drives (john oakley) 17. 08:35 PM - Re: Control Cables (john oakley) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 05:03:47 AM PST US From: Subject: Kitfox-List: Fuel Sensor Leak All My fuel sensor leaks where it screws into the header tank. It's the float type. To orient it properly (so that it will rise with fluid and not be upside down or sideways), I can't screw it in tight. I used Rector 5 for the thread sealant but it didn't do the job. Any suggestions??? Frank N5929, Kitfox, Series 7 -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dan Billingsley Sent: Friday, August 03, 2007 10:52 PM Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: How Big is the Hole? ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 07:02:43 AM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Fuel Sensor Leak From: "dcsfoto" I use form-a-gasket for aviation, spruce has it and many auto stores Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=127461#127461 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 08:07:51 AM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: need engineer type to run a calculation From: "akflyer" I guess that is a matter of perception.. ask a beaver driver if they think the extra 100 pounds is worth it..you would be suprised what they say..but his has now been beat to death..bottom line, you fly yours however you have to to make yourself comfortable and I will fly mine how I want. I like to be safe, but I also like to be realistic. -------- Leonard Perry Soldotna AK Avid "C" / Mk IV 582 IVO IFA Full Lotus 1260 95% complete Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=127471#127471 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 09:11:47 AM PST US From: "Paul Steger" Subject: Kitfox-List: NSI re-drives Finally gave up (for now) completing my model IV and bought a nice model 5 from the orig. builder. It has the non-turbo Subaru NSI engine/re-drive package. After 12 hours of me flying it, and 170 hrs. total, the re-drive unit suddenly developed a noise. Noticed it in flight. Now when I free-wheel turn the prop on the ground there is a noise like a stiff wire scraping on a turning hub. It had been absolutely quiet. Found out NSI is defunct. Does anybody support these re-drive units? Did Lance Wheeler of NSI design this unit, or was it off-the-shelf from someone else. A guy at Oshkosh said to get rid of that drive! Its junk! But didnt say why. Does anyone make a bolt-on replacement drive? Help! _________________________________________________________________ Booking a flight? Know when to buy with airfare predictions on MSN Travel. http://travel.msn.com/Articles/aboutfarecast.aspx&ocid=T001MSN25A07001 ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 09:40:57 AM PST US From: "Rick" Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: NSI re-drives If it was the older version there was an up grade to different components, bearings and shaft. Although NSI is gone there may still be some support and if you are lucky a redrive on the shelf. As far as junk, well I put 600 hours on mine with the turbo engine and not a whimper. I will look for the new company number. Could be something simple and easy or not, but very difficult to fix in the air for sure. I would ground it for now my friend. Rick -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Paul Steger Sent: Saturday, August 04, 2007 9:02 AM Subject: Kitfox-List: NSI re-drives --> Finally gave up (for now) completing my model IV and bought a nice model 5 from the orig. builder. It has the non-turbo Subaru NSI engine/re-drive package. After 12 hours of me flying it, and 170 hrs. total, the re-drive unit suddenly developed a noise. Noticed it in flight. Now when I free-wheel turn the prop on the ground there is a noise like a stiff wire scraping on a turning hub. It had been absolutely quiet. Found out NSI is defunct. Does anybody support these re-drive units? Did Lance Wheeler of NSI design this unit, or was it off-the-shelf from someone else. A guy at Oshkosh said to get rid of that drive! Its junk! But didnt say why. Does anyone make a bolt-on replacement drive? Help! _________________________________________________________________ Booking a flight? Know when to buy with airfare predictions on MSN Travel. http://travel.msn.com/Articles/aboutfarecast.aspx&ocid=T001MSN25A07001 5:46 PM 5:46 PM ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 09:49:47 AM PST US From: "Rick" Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: NSI re-drives OK, found it. When you call ask for Craig. They wont answer NSI but this will get you as close as possible to getting the redrive either repaired or replaced. You might find a used one or spare out there some where. I sold mine of course with the engine package. I do have the CAP assembly. The number is 360-474-8118. Good luck. Rick -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Paul Steger Sent: Saturday, August 04, 2007 9:02 AM Subject: Kitfox-List: NSI re-drives --> Finally gave up (for now) completing my model IV and bought a nice model 5 from the orig. builder. It has the non-turbo Subaru NSI engine/re-drive package. After 12 hours of me flying it, and 170 hrs. total, the re-drive unit suddenly developed a noise. Noticed it in flight. Now when I free-wheel turn the prop on the ground there is a noise like a stiff wire scraping on a turning hub. It had been absolutely quiet. Found out NSI is defunct. Does anybody support these re-drive units? Did Lance Wheeler of NSI design this unit, or was it off-the-shelf from someone else. A guy at Oshkosh said to get rid of that drive! Its junk! But didnt say why. Does anyone make a bolt-on replacement drive? Help! _________________________________________________________________ Booking a flight? Know when to buy with airfare predictions on MSN Travel. http://travel.msn.com/Articles/aboutfarecast.aspx&ocid=T001MSN25A07001 5:46 PM 5:46 PM ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 10:00:23 AM PST US From: "John Ciolino" Subject: Kitfox-List: FYI--NGK spark plugs for 912 I am replacing the spark plugs on my Kitfox during the "annual". I use NGK DCPR7E. NGK has changed the part number of these plugs to NGK 3932. Several of the auto parts stores I called could not find the original number in their systems even though they carried NGK plugs. If you use these plugs make note of the new part number. In additionn during my search I found a wide swing is price--from $2.89 each at NAPA to $4.29 each at CarQuest. It pays to shop around. John Ciolino IV-1200 N9294Y ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 11:07:12 AM PST US From: "John Disher" Subject: Kitfox-List: Please remove this address from the listThank you ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 11:53:30 AM PST US From: "Lowell Fitt" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: need engineer type to run a calculation I understand and agree. One of the reasons I mentioned it is an experience I had while working as an SOR (load planner for United Airlines) in a previous life. I missed 1000 lbs in the Manual Pit - under the horizontal stabillizer - as far aft as you can go W&B wise. It didn't get on the manifest and was not factored into the MAC for trim settings on takeoff. I talked to a pilot later and he laughed and told me that a tap of the trim switch on the stick was all it would take to correct the trim. These things fly at over 800,000 and my thousand pounds was less than .2% of the gross wt. 1000 lbs that far aft in most other airplanes would take a lot more than a tap on the elevator trim switch. I was just questioning the absolute number rather than the concept. Lowell ----- Original Message ----- From: "akflyer" Sent: Saturday, August 04, 2007 8:07 AM Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: need engineer type to run a calculation > > I guess that is a matter of perception.. ask a beaver driver if they think > the extra 100 pounds is worth it..you would be suprised what they say..but > his has now been beat to death..bottom line, you fly yours however you > have to to make yourself comfortable and I will fly mine how I want. I > like to be safe, but I also like to be realistic. > > -------- > Leonard Perry > Soldotna AK > Avid "C" / Mk IV > 582 IVO IFA > Full Lotus 1260 > 95% complete > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=127471#127471 > > > ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 12:24:58 PM PST US From: "Peter Graichen" Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: NSI re-drives Hi Paul: The original NSI PSRU is rather difficult to repair. It is not impossible, though. The problem is that the housing is a solid can, with all the parts pressed in from one end. It is difficult to pull the part out for replacement. But as I said, it is not impossible. A few years ago, I sent mine back to NSI and they replaced a bunch of parts, including the shaft, sprague clutch (which NSI called a linear device?) and several other parts. Mine performed flawlessly for 800 hrs. I did replace it with the new larger, split housing unit that NSI came out with shortly before they went belly up. I am keeping the old one as a stand-by spare, but would be willing to part with it at the right price. If you are interested please make an offer. In the meantime DO NOT fly with your gearbox if there is any indication of internal problems. Per NSI's instructions, check the gearbox before every start by placing your index finger against a prop blade hub as far inboard as possible and rotate the prop with that index finger a complete revolution, feeling for any unevenness. If unevenness is felt the airplane is grounded due to imminent catastrophic failure. Peter Graichen http:/home.neo.rr.com/n10pg/kitfox.htm -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Paul Steger Sent: Saturday, 04 August, 2007 12:02 Subject: Kitfox-List: NSI re-drives --> Finally gave up (for now) completing my model IV and bought a nice model 5 from the orig. builder. It has the non-turbo Subaru NSI engine/re-drive package. After 12 hours of me flying it, and 170 hrs. total, the re-drive unit suddenly developed a noise. Noticed it in flight. Now when I free-wheel turn the prop on the ground there is a noise like a stiff wire scraping on a turning hub. It had been absolutely quiet. Found out NSI is defunct. Does anybody support these re-drive units? Did Lance Wheeler of NSI design this unit, or was it off-the-shelf from someone else. A guy at Oshkosh said to get rid of that drive! It's junk! But didn't say why. Does anyone make a bolt-on replacement drive? Help! ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 02:40:00 PM PST US From: Subject: Kitfox-List: New LSA Continental engine Does any of you Oshkosh returnees have any info on the new LSA engine from Continental, the 0-200D? Mostly interested on the weight and price.Might be a good option to the Jab. Cessna is going to use it in their new LSA.----Leon Morris/Classic4/50%/Flower Mound,TX ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 03:10:03 PM PST US From: "jdmcbean" Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: New LSA Continental engine We are a Continental OEM and have been talking with them... It is not complete yet Pricing is supposed to be competitive to the Jab and Rotax and they are talking about 20 lbs lighter.. Not complete yet.. so I guess we'll see. Fly Safe !! John & Debra McBean 208.337.5111 www.kitfoxaircraft.com "It's not how Fast... It's how Fun!" -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of l.morris@tx.rr.com Sent: Saturday, August 04, 2007 3:39 PM Subject: Kitfox-List: New LSA Continental engine Does any of you Oshkosh returnees have any info on the new LSA engine from Continental, the 0-200D? Mostly interested on the weight and price.Might be a good option to the Jab. Cessna is going to use it in their new LSA.----Leon Morris/Classic4/50%/Flower Mound,TX ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 03:17:51 PM PST US Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: New LSA Continental engine From: David Estapa Only info out was it would be 25 Lb lighter than the current 0-200. David Estapa Woodstock, Georgia S5TD N97DE 912ULS Phase 1 Testing On Sat, 4 Aug 2007 14:39:04 -0700 writes: > > Does any of you Oshkosh returnees have any info on the new LSA > engine from Continental, the 0-200D? Mostly interested on the weight > and price.Might be a good option to the Jab. Cessna is going to use > it in their new LSA.----Leon Morris/Classic4/50%/Flower Mound,TX > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 05:55:29 PM PST US From: Dan Billingsley Subject: Kitfox-List: Control Cables I've decided to replace my rudder control cables as they came with the kit already nicopressed from the previous owner. Since I didn't do them and my life is litterally in the balance of (were they done correctly or not?) ...I can't move forward and cover the fuselage until I do this. That being said... As I look at AC Spruce I see three options of cable type (7x7, 7x19,& 1x19) and then a choice of Galvinized or SS. The diameter of my existing cable is 3/32 and I am leaning towards the 7x19 SS. Does anyone know which one comes with the kit and have any good reasons why I should choose different? Always best to learn from those who have gone before :>) Dan B Mesa, AZ KF-IV , 912S 314DW ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 06:57:10 PM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: need engineer type to run a calculation From: "akflyer" Lowel, I did some checking today.. My experience was that when I put the PA18 or 12 or 20 on EDO 2000's I got a 100 pound gross increase. I talked to a part 135 operator today who has cubs, beavers and otters 180s 206 etc, and he said it depended on the float manufacture and the plane. Some give you the weight of the float minus the weight of the fixed gear, some give you the full weight of the float system, some are a fixed number.... Regaurdless, I have full lotus for my Avid and they say 100# on the full lotus forum and stated that the floats actually create 85-90% of their weight in lift. I am not going to be to bashfull about uping my gross 100# or what ever I can get of the water...loaded WITHIN the CG range. -------- Leonard Perry Soldotna AK Avid "C" / Mk IV 582 IVO IFA Full Lotus 1260 95% complete Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=127542#127542 ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 08:30:08 PM PST US From: "john oakley" Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: NSI re-drives I believe Craig was the one that rebuilt my prop. John Oakley -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rick Sent: Saturday, August 04, 2007 10:49 AM Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: NSI re-drives OK, found it. When you call ask for Craig. They wont answer NSI but this will get you as close as possible to getting the redrive either repaired or replaced. You might find a used one or spare out there some where. I sold mine of course with the engine package. I do have the CAP assembly. The number is 360-474-8118. Good luck. Rick -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Paul Steger Sent: Saturday, August 04, 2007 9:02 AM Subject: Kitfox-List: NSI re-drives --> Finally gave up (for now) completing my model IV and bought a nice model 5 from the orig. builder. It has the non-turbo Subaru NSI engine/re-drive package. After 12 hours of me flying it, and 170 hrs. total, the re-drive unit suddenly developed a noise. Noticed it in flight. Now when I free-wheel turn the prop on the ground there is a noise like a stiff wire scraping on a turning hub. It had been absolutely quiet. Found out NSI is defunct. Does anybody support these re-drive units? Did Lance Wheeler of NSI design this unit, or was it off-the-shelf from someone else. A guy at Oshkosh said to get rid of that drive! It's junk! But didn't say why. Does anyone make a bolt-on replacement drive? Help! _________________________________________________________________ Booking a flight? Know when to buy with airfare predictions on MSN Travel. http://travel.msn.com/Articles/aboutfarecast.aspx&ocid=T001MSN25A07001 5:46 PM 5:46 PM ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 08:35:11 PM PST US From: "john oakley" Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Control Cables Dan, I should have pointed my cables out when you were here. I had my cables made at a company in Lake Havasu. They are beautiful fittings, no ugly stuff. I had them made from 7 x 19 ss that is the most flexible, the 7 x 7 are the most abrasive resistant but none of that in the plastic sleeves we use. John Oakley _____ From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dan Billingsley Sent: Saturday, August 04, 2007 6:55 PM Subject: Kitfox-List: Control Cables I've decided to replace my rudder control cables as they came with the kit already nicopressed from the previous owner. Since I didn't do them and my life is litterally in the balance of (were they done correctly or not?) ...I can't move forward and cover the fuselage until I do this. That being said... As I look at AC Spruce I see three options of cable type (7x7, 7x19,& 1x19) and then a choice of Galvinized or SS. The diameter of my existing cable is 3/32 and I am leaning towards the 7x19 SS. Does anyone know which one comes with the kit and have any good reasons why I should choose different? Always best to learn from those who have gone before :>) Dan B Mesa, AZ KF-IV , 912S 314DW ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message kitfox-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Kitfox-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/kitfox-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/kitfox-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.