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1. 02:38 AM - Re: Control Cables (avtar412)
2. 03:16 AM - Rivnut question (Dave G.)
3. 06:08 AM - Re: Kingfox tires (Perkins, Mike)
4. 06:10 AM - Re: Kingfox tires (Noel Loveys)
5. 06:29 AM - Re: Kingfox tires (Wahlquist, Dave)
6. 07:20 AM - Re: Kingfox tires (Noel Loveys)
7. 07:27 AM - Re: Kingfox tires (Mnflyer)
8. 07:27 AM - Re: Kingfox tires (Lowell Fitt)
9. 07:32 AM - Re: Rivnut question (Lowell Fitt)
10. 08:59 AM - Re: Kingfox tires (Napier, Mark)
11. 09:09 AM - Re: Kingfox tires (Clint Bazzill)
12. 10:59 AM - Re: Re: Kingfox tires (Lowell Fitt)
13. 11:23 AM - Re: Kingfox tires ()
14. 03:28 PM - Re: Rivnut question (john oakley)
15. 05:11 PM - Rivnut question (fox5flyer)
16. 05:13 PM - Re: Kingfox tires (fox5flyer)
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| Subject: | Re: Control Cables |
I used 7x19 and they turned out good. My original were ok but got caught up with
the copper nicopress sarga! So make sure you use coated steel
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I've seen rivnuts in 6-32 and they look awfully big to sneak into the rib
capstrip. Has anyone got pictures of this installation?
Dave Goddard- Mod IV 1050/582
do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Kingfox tires |
This may seem like heresy to some folks, but I solved a leaking tire
with an inner tube. It weighed less than a pound.
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it only has to rotate about 1/4 in to open the valve stem and you are
right
you would loose all your air. I have had the tires on my ATV move a lot
more than that without losing an appreciable amount of air.
Check it out with the people who use those low pressure tires the most.
As you can see from my signature I don't spend a lot of time on wheels.
Noel Loveys, RPP, AME intern
Campbellton, Newfoundland,
Canada
Kitfox Mod III-A, 582, B box, Ivo IFA
Aerocet 1100s
<mailto:noelloveys@yahoo.ca> noelloveys@yahoo.ca
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
> Clint Bazzill
> Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2007 12:23 AM
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Kingfox tires
>
>
> <clint_bazzill@hotmail.com>
>
> If you rotate the rim from a hard landing, I wouldn't worry
> about the rim
> cutting the valve stem, you just lost all your air. My 2
> cents worth.
> Clint
>
> From: "Noel Loveys" <noelloveys@yahoo.ca>
> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Kingfox tires
> Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2007 22:23:13 -0230
>
> With low pressure tires there isn't as much pressure holding
> the tire in
> place on the rim. If you have a fast solid touchdown it is
> possible to
> rotate the tire in the rim. If you have a tube in there you
> will cause the
> rim to cut off the air valve. Same result only possibly with
> both mains
> flat.
>
> Just ask some of the guys using ATVs with low pressure
> tires... I'll bet
> they will advise against ever using a tube.
>
>
> Noel Loveys, RPP, AME intern
> Campbellton, Newfoundland,
> Canada
> Kitfox Mod III-A, 582, B box, Ivo IFA
> Aerocet 1100s
> <mailto:noelloveys@yahoo.ca> noelloveys@yahoo.ca
>
>
> Do not archive
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> > [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
> > Bill Malpass
> > Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2007 9:51 PM
> > To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> > Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Kingfox tires
> >
> >
> > <malpass-architect@comcast.net>
> >
> > What is the problem with just putting tubes in the tires.?
> >
> > I once went into a swerve that was enough to break the seal,
> > tire went flat,
> > and I had to rebuild my wheel pant.
> > I then put in tubes and now, no fear of that sort of thing again.
> >
> > Bill Kitfox model III N793RK
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net>
> > To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> > Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2007 1:33 PM
> > Subject: Kitfox-List: Kingfox tires
> >
> >
> > <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net>
> > >
> > > I bought a pair of the Nankang tires several years ago from
> > a vendor other
> > > than Mippi and had some issues with the bead leaking. I
> > used the green
> > > "Slime" for tubeless tires with good success. I used the
> > version for
> > > tubeless tires because I had heard that Slime was corrosive
> > for alloy
> > > wheels and assumed that the tubeless variety was OK.
> > Wrong. when it came
> > > time to replace the tires, there were pits all over the
> > inner surface of
> > > the rims.
> > >
> > > I was talking to a guy at an ATV place about the problem
> > and he agreed
> > > that Slime will damage alloy rims and commented that it was
> > to be used
> > > only in emergencies. I asked him what he used to seal
> the bead in
> > > difficult cases and he didn't want to say, but I got him to
> > admit that he
> > > uses RTV. I didn't like that idea as I could just see
> > adding to the
> > > difficulty of breaking the bead by gluing the tires to the
> > rims. In
> > > frustration, I did it though as I got tired if having to
> > top up the air
> > > every three days. The leak would be very slow at first,
> but as the
> > > pressure gradually dropped, it would proceed to a rush and
> > then in a
> > > matter of a couple of hours it would be from soft to dead
> > flat. I applied
> > > it only to the outside bead as that was the only place I
> > could detect a
> > > leak by soaping.
> > >
> > > All was great until I discovered that the tires still would
> > go flat, but
> > > now it would take a week or more to see the softening. I
> > dealt with that
> > > with the comeressed air tank then decided to finally add
> > the RTV to the
> > > inside bead - I only found that leak by removing the
> wheel and very
> > > carefully soaping the whole tire. That took care of that
> > by soap test,
> > > but breaking the bead had somehow disturbed the cured RTV
> > on the oustside,
> > > and now that side leaked again - can of worms? Not really,
> > rather than
> > > making bead breakin harder, the RTV made breaking the bead
> > much easier and
> > > after cleaning up both sides, I wiped a thin layer of RTV
> > with a gloved
> > > finger in both bead areas and presto - no leaks for the
> > first time in lots
> > > of years.
> > >
> > > If you want to try this, use the RTV recommended by the
> > factory for the
> > > fuel tank installation. Some RTVs are corrosive to
> aluminum alloys.
> > >
> > > Lowell Fitt
> > > Cameron Park, CA
> > > Model IV-1200 R-912 UL Warp
> > > 1998 880 hrs.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
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Just to add one more thing to this topic... You can use tubes with steel
valve stems if you are worried about the tire and tube rotating and
cutting a rubber stem. I think rotation is unlikely in a tire that is
just coasting and not under power however.
Dave Wahlquist
Model III 582 under repair
Marshall,WI
________________________________
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Perkins,
Mike
Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2007 8:06 AM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Kingfox tires
This may seem like heresy to some folks, but I solved a leaking tire
with an inner tube. It weighed less than a pound.
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Don't forget your brakes. the steel valve stem could also be torn away
from
the tube. I think the best thing to do is to clean the rims as good as
possible and seat the beads with a bit of soap. That being said, I now
have
a leaky tire on my ATV. Then again that tire has some pretty big
slashes in
the side walls that have been patched on the inside. I have a tube to
put
in it but was advised not to use it by guys who have a lot more
experience
with these machines than I have.
Noel Loveys, RPP, AME intern
Campbellton, Newfoundland,
Canada
Kitfox Mod III-A, 582, B box, Ivo IFA
Aerocet 1100s
<mailto:noelloveys@yahoo.ca> noelloveys@yahoo.ca
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Wahlquist,
Dave
Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2007 10:59 AM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Kingfox tires
Just to add one more thing to this topic. You can use tubes with steel
valve
stems if you are worried about the tire and tube rotating and cutting a
rubber stem. I think rotation is unlikely in a tire that is just
coasting
and not under power however.
Dave Wahlquist
Model III 582 under repair
Marshall,WI
_____
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Perkins,
Mike
Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2007 8:06 AM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Kingfox tires
This may seem like heresy to some folks, but I solved a leaking tire
with an
inner tube. It weighed less than a pound.
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| Subject: | Re: Kingfox tires |
Eight years of flying with inner tubes with all kinds of braking and have yet to
rotate the tires much less cut a valve stem. Once the tires are seated on the
bead for a time they are just about impossible to brake loose to change a tire
m,uch less rotate. Inner tubes end my leaking tires 8 years ago and as posted
they weigh less than a pound and hold air
--------
GB
MNFlyer
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| Subject: | Re: Kingfox tires |
I have read reports on the kitfox list (in the days of old) and the lancair
list of valve stems shearing. This is why I have avoided tubes.
Lowell Fitt
Cameron Park, CA
Model IV-1200 R-912 UL Warp
1998 870 hrs.l
----- Original Message -----
From: "Wahlquist, Dave" <dave.wahlquist@ics.uwex.edu>
Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2007 6:29 AM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Kingfox tires
Just to add one more thing to this topic... You can use tubes with steel
valve stems if you are worried about the tire and tube rotating and
cutting a rubber stem. I think rotation is unlikely in a tire that is
just coasting and not under power however.
Dave Wahlquist
Model III 582 under repair
Marshall,WI
________________________________
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Perkins,
Mike
Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2007 8:06 AM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Kingfox tires
This may seem like heresy to some folks, but I solved a leaking tire
with an inner tube. It weighed less than a pound.
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| Subject: | Re: Rivnut question |
Dave,
Maybe when saying rivnuts, some mean to say nut plates. That is the way I
will go when I do my next replacement. I find rivnuts a bit more challenging
than nutplates and thickness of the material matters. I don't know how a
rivnut would work with a backing and a 1/8" capstrip.
If anyone has actually used rivnuts, how did you do it.
Lowell
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dave G." <occom@ns.sympatico.ca>
Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2007 3:15 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Rivnut question
>
> I've seen rivnuts in 6-32 and they look awfully big to sneak into the rib
> capstrip. Has anyone got pictures of this installation?
>
> Dave Goddard- Mod IV 1050/582
> do not archive
>
>
>
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| Subject: | RE: Kingfox tires |
Hey Lowell,
How do you break the tire bead loose? When I needed to get the old pair
off my rims I had to take them to an ATV shop.
I mounted the new tires after many hours of polishing the rims to clean
up the seats. I bought some tire tools and a neighbor helped me put
them on.
Now my left tire looses air again and I'll bet there is some corrosion
in the bead seats again.
Thank you much,
Mark Napier
Time: 10:34:46 AM PST US
From: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Kitfox-List: Kingfox tires
I bought a pair of the Nankang tires several years ago from a vendor
other
than Mippi and had some issues with the bead leaking. I used the green
"Slime" for tubeless tires with good success. I used the version for
tubeless tires because I had heard that Slime was corrosive for alloy
wheels
and assumed that the tubeless variety was OK. Wrong. when it came time
to
replace the tires, there were pits all over the inner surface of the
rims.
I was talking to a guy at an ATV place about the problem and he agreed
that
Slime will damage alloy rims and commented that it was to be used only
in
emergencies. I asked him what he used to seal the bead in difficult
cases
and he didn't want to say, but I got him to admit that he uses RTV. I
didn't like that idea as I could just see adding to the difficulty of
breaking the bead by gluing the tires to the rims. In frustration, I
did it
though as I got tired if having to top up the air every three days. The
leak would be very slow at first, but as the pressure gradually dropped,
it
would proceed to a rush and then in a matter of a couple of hours it
would
be from soft to dead flat. I applied it only to the outside bead as
that
was the only place I could detect a leak by soaping.
All was great until I discovered that the tires still would go flat, but
now
it would take a week or more to see the softening. I dealt with that
with
the comeressed air tank then decided to finally add the RTV to the
inside
bead - I only found that leak by removing the wheel and very carefully
soaping the whole tire. That took care of that by soap test, but
breaking
the bead had somehow disturbed the cured RTV on the oustside, and now
that
side leaked again - can of worms? Not really, rather than making bead
breakin harder, the RTV made breaking the bead much easier and after
cleaning up both sides, I wiped a thin layer of RTV with a gloved finger
in
both bead areas and presto - no leaks for the first time in lots of
years.
If you want to try this, use the RTV recommended by the factory for the
fuel
tank installation. Some RTVs are corrosive to aluminum alloys.
Lowell Fitt
Cameron Park, CA
Model IV-1200 R-912 UL Warp
1998 880 hrs.
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| Subject: | Re: Kingfox tires |
Lowell,
I had tubes in my old tires and had no problem. When you install the tubes
you have to put in enough pressure to seal the tubless tires, then back off
on the air in the tube. If the tire rotates in the rim, you do have a
problem and its not the tubes fault. Clint
From: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Kingfox tires
I have read reports on the kitfox list (in the days of old) and the lancair
list of valve stems shearing. This is why I have avoided tubes.
Lowell Fitt
Cameron Park, CA
Model IV-1200 R-912 UL Warp
1998 870 hrs.l
----- Original Message ----- From: "Wahlquist, Dave"
<dave.wahlquist@ics.uwex.edu>
Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2007 6:29 AM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Kingfox tires
Just to add one more thing to this topic... You can use tubes with steel
valve stems if you are worried about the tire and tube rotating and
cutting a rubber stem. I think rotation is unlikely in a tire that is
just coasting and not under power however.
Dave Wahlquist
Model III 582 under repair
Marshall,WI
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From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Perkins,
Mike
Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2007 8:06 AM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Kingfox tires
This may seem like heresy to some folks, but I solved a leaking tire
with an inner tube. It weighed less than a pound.
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| Subject: | Re: RE: Kingfox tires |
Hi, Mark,
I use the old drive on it with the front wheels of my truck trick. Put a
piece of old carpet under the wheel to prevent damage. It is a tough home
job, but it can be done. Sometimes I have my wife help me and she usuall
runs the other way when I have wheel in hand and call her name.
I once tried the small tire mount set, by Harbor freight and proceeded to
damage the hub. Going to an ATV shop sounds like a good idea, but I have
always been sort of a do-it-yourselfer.
Lowell Fitt
Cameron Park, CA
Model IV-1200 R-912 UL Warp
1998 880 hrs.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Napier, Mark" <Mark.Napier@sciatl.com>
Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2007 8:58 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: RE: Kingfox tires
>
>
> Hey Lowell,
>
> How do you break the tire bead loose? When I needed to get the old pair
> off my rims I had to take them to an ATV shop.
>
> I mounted the new tires after many hours of polishing the rims to clean
> up the seats. I bought some tire tools and a neighbor helped me put
> them on.
>
> Now my left tire looses air again and I'll bet there is some corrosion
> in the bead seats again.
>
> Thank you much,
>
> Mark Napier
>
>
> Time: 10:34:46 AM PST US
> From: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net>
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Kingfox tires
>
>
> I bought a pair of the Nankang tires several years ago from a vendor
> other
> than Mippi and had some issues with the bead leaking. I used the green
> "Slime" for tubeless tires with good success. I used the version for
> tubeless tires because I had heard that Slime was corrosive for alloy
> wheels
> and assumed that the tubeless variety was OK. Wrong. when it came time
> to
> replace the tires, there were pits all over the inner surface of the
> rims.
>
> I was talking to a guy at an ATV place about the problem and he agreed
> that
> Slime will damage alloy rims and commented that it was to be used only
> in
> emergencies. I asked him what he used to seal the bead in difficult
> cases
> and he didn't want to say, but I got him to admit that he uses RTV. I
> didn't like that idea as I could just see adding to the difficulty of
> breaking the bead by gluing the tires to the rims. In frustration, I
> did it
> though as I got tired if having to top up the air every three days. The
>
> leak would be very slow at first, but as the pressure gradually dropped,
> it
> would proceed to a rush and then in a matter of a couple of hours it
> would
> be from soft to dead flat. I applied it only to the outside bead as
> that
> was the only place I could detect a leak by soaping.
>
> All was great until I discovered that the tires still would go flat, but
> now
> it would take a week or more to see the softening. I dealt with that
> with
> the comeressed air tank then decided to finally add the RTV to the
> inside
> bead - I only found that leak by removing the wheel and very carefully
> soaping the whole tire. That took care of that by soap test, but
> breaking
> the bead had somehow disturbed the cured RTV on the oustside, and now
> that
> side leaked again - can of worms? Not really, rather than making bead
> breakin harder, the RTV made breaking the bead much easier and after
> cleaning up both sides, I wiped a thin layer of RTV with a gloved finger
> in
> both bead areas and presto - no leaks for the first time in lots of
> years.
>
> If you want to try this, use the RTV recommended by the factory for the
> fuel
> tank installation. Some RTVs are corrosive to aluminum alloys.
>
> Lowell Fitt
> Cameron Park, CA
> Model IV-1200 R-912 UL Warp
> 1998 880 hrs.
>
>
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Here's a thought: Use epoxy primer on the inside of your wheels,then you can use
your tubeless tires and slime and not worry about corrosion.---Leon Morris/Classic4/50%/Flower
Mound, TX
---- "Wahlquist wrote:
> Just to add one more thing to this topic... You can use tubes with steel
> valve stems if you are worried about the tire and tube rotating and
> cutting a rubber stem. I think rotation is unlikely in a tire that is
> just coasting and not under power however.
>
>
>
> Dave Wahlquist
>
> Model III 582 under repair
>
> Marshall,WI
>
>
>
> ________________________________
>
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Perkins,
> Mike
> Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2007 8:06 AM
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Kingfox tires
>
>
>
> This may seem like heresy to some folks, but I solved a leaking tire
> with an inner tube. It weighed less than a pound.
>
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Lowell,
I used ruvnuts on my bubble door and my windshield, they sale keyed and
unkeyed, there is a tool that you insert into the drilled hole and pull the
leaver much like a rivet gun. It cuts the keyway for the rivnut. You then
install the rivnut and use the squeeze tool, again much like a rivet gun and
it pulls and wrinkles the rivnut to the needed thickness. If I remember
right the rivnut come in varying thickness again like rivets.
My windshield and several other attachments are done using rivnuts.. I will
continue using them in other projects.
John Oakley
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Lowell Fitt
Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2007 8:32 AM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Rivnut question
Dave,
Maybe when saying rivnuts, some mean to say nut plates. That is the way I
will go when I do my next replacement. I find rivnuts a bit more challenging
than nutplates and thickness of the material matters. I don't know how a
rivnut would work with a backing and a 1/8" capstrip.
If anyone has actually used rivnuts, how did you do it.
Lowell
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dave G." <occom@ns.sympatico.ca>
Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2007 3:15 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Rivnut question
>
> I've seen rivnuts in 6-32 and they look awfully big to sneak into the rib
> capstrip. Has anyone got pictures of this installation?
>
> Dave Goddard- Mod IV 1050/582
> do not archive
>
>
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For the windshield I used #6-32 SS panhead screws with nylock nuts. I can't
remember the part number but you can get the nuts that are about half the
thickness of regular nylock nuts. No washers necessary. Very simple
install and no need to buy any special tools (rivnut installer).
Deke Morisse
Mikado Michigan
S5/Subaru/CAP 359+ TT
"If you don't read the newspaper you are
uninformed, if you do read
the newspaper you are misinformed."
Mark Twain
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dave G." <occom@ns.sympatico.ca>
Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2007 5:15 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Rivnut question
>
> I've seen rivnuts in 6-32 and they look awfully big to sneak into the rib
> capstrip. Has anyone got pictures of this installation?
>
> Dave Goddard- Mod IV 1050/582
> do not archive
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Kingfox tires |
Re: Kitfox-List: Kingfox tiresIt's not heresy Mike. Probably the best
way to go when one has a chronic leakage.
Deke Morisse
Mikado Michigan
S5/Subaru/CAP 355+ TT
"If you don't read the newspaper you are
uninformed, if you do read
the newspaper you are misinformed."
Mark Twain
----- Original Message -----
From: Perkins, Mike
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2007 8:06 AM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Kingfox tires
This may seem like heresy to some folks, but I solved a leaking tire
with an inner tube. It weighed less than a pound.
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