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1. 08:22 AM - Re: Kingfox tires (Michael Gibbs)
2. 08:22 AM - Thoughts on stall warning device?? (SUE MICHAELS)
3. 09:52 AM - Re: Thoughts on stall warning device?? (kitfoxmike)
4. 10:01 AM - Re: Re: Thoughts on stall warning device?? (kerrjohna@comcast.net)
5. 12:15 PM - Re: Re: Thoughts on stall warning device?? (Randy Daughenbaugh)
6. 12:42 PM - Re: Rivnut question ()
7. 01:40 PM - Re: Fixed or removalble wing tips? (Michel Verheughe)
8. 01:41 PM - Re: Fixed or removalble wing tips? (Michel Verheughe)
9. 01:42 PM - Re: Mode C Transponder check (Lynn Matteson)
10. 01:45 PM - Re: Thoughts on stall warning device?? (Michel Verheughe)
11. 01:54 PM - Re: Control Cables (Lynn Matteson)
12. 02:33 PM - Re: Fixed or removalble wing tips? (Lynn Matteson)
13. 02:49 PM - Re: Rivnut question (Torgeir Mortensen)
14. 04:11 PM - Re: Thoughts on stall warning device?? (kitfoxmike)
15. 05:35 PM - Re: Thoughts on stall warning device?? (wingnut)
16. 05:37 PM - Re: Thoughts on stall warning device?? (Noel Loveys)
17. 05:37 PM - Re: Re: Kingfox tires (Noel Loveys)
18. 05:44 PM - Re: Thoughts on stall warning device?? (wingnut)
19. 05:54 PM - FW: The No. 3 (Roger McConnell)
20. 06:08 PM - Re: Re: Thoughts on stall warning device?? (John W. Hart)
21. 06:24 PM - Re: Re: Thoughts on stall warning device?? (Noel Loveys)
22. 06:44 PM - Re: Re: Thoughts on stall warning device?? (Noel Loveys)
23. 06:44 PM - Re: Fixed or removalble wing tips? (Noel Loveys)
24. 07:28 PM - Re: Thoughts on stall warning device?? (wingnut)
25. 11:15 PM - Fuel Line Tubing (John Allen)
26. 11:38 PM - New and seeking info !! (John Allen)
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| Subject: | Re: Kingfox tires |
Noel asks:
>Are the tires on your Piper Turbo Arrow III low pressure?? That
>would make a difference.
Recommended pressure for the mains is 30 psi and the nose wheel is 27
psi. Is that low pressure?
Mike G.
List Mom
Model IV-1200, N728KF
Phoenix, AZ
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| Subject: | Thoughts on stall warning device?? |
What is being used for a stall warning device that works good and does not empty
my wallet?
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| Subject: | Re: Thoughts on stall warning device?? |
Your eyes and ears.
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kitfoxmike
model IV, 1200
speedster
912ul
building
RV7a
slowbuild wings, fuse, finish kit
"if you're not getting razzed from pilots or the FAA then you're not flying
enough"
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| Subject: | Re: Thoughts on stall warning device?? |
.....and remove your wallet from your back pocket :-)
John Kerr
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From: "kitfoxmike" <customtrans@qwest.net>
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> Your eyes and ears.
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> kitfoxmike
> model IV, 1200
> speedster
> 912ul
> building
> RV7a
> slowbuild wings, fuse, finish kit
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| Subject: | Re: Thoughts on stall warning device?? |
Google "angle of attack" to see some good possibilities. There will also
be some good discussion of these devices that appears with this search.
Randy Daughenbaugh, N10NH
Black Hills of South Dakota, - Near Mount Rushmore
Home Strip, Grass Room in Hangar for visitors
Series 5/7 (7 Firewall Forward) 912S, Warp Drive Taper Tip
Gross Weight 1320 lbs, Flying since November 2004
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Sent: Friday, August 10, 2007 11:00 AM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Thoughts on stall warning device??
.....and remove your wallet from your back pocket :-)
John Kerr
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| Subject: | Re: Rivnut question |
I used #8 rivnuts to attach the wingtips. A dab of the rib to spar
epoxy mix under the rim of the manufacturer's head to prevent twisting.
An aluminum washer under the shop head, slightly flattened on the side
next to the rib flange, to provide a larger rivet to wood contact
surface. Has been fine for the last 14 years. Dragged a wing tip once
and the rivnuts held up just fine, and made removal of the tip for
repair a simple task.
Regards,
John Stoner
KF III, 582
Alaska
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| Subject: | Re: Fixed or removalble wing tips? |
On Aug 7, 2007, at 9:08 PM, Noel Loveys wrote:
> Any aviation supply dep0ot should have rivnuts in several different
> sizes. They are not as strong as bucked rivets but probably stronger
> than aluminium pop rivets. Don't forget to order an installation tool
> too.
Thank you, Noel, I will look at that.
Michel Verheughe
Norway
Kitfox 3 - Jabiru 2200
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| Subject: | Re: Fixed or removalble wing tips? |
On Aug 7, 2007, at 7:53 PM, John W. Hart wrote:
> Well, I don't know exactly what's in there along the end rib on your
> aircraft
Nor do I, John, since I haven't built my aircraft. But I'll look at it
on a rainy day. Thanks for your answer.
Michel Verheughe
Norway
Kitfox 3 - Jabiru 2200
do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Mode C Transponder check |
I paid $175, and that included having to sort out two wires that were
swapped internally inside the altitude encoder. I got the whole job
done, and was issued a written document to put in my aircraft logbook.
Lynn Matteson
Grass Lake, Michigan
Kitfox IV Speedster w/Jabiru 2200
flying w/369+ hrs
On Aug 3, 2007, at 6:11 PM, davyken@comcast.net wrote:
> Hi All,
>
> Last night a fellow I met at the airport gave me a call. He's an
> avionics tech and is willing to bring his equipment out to my
> hanger and check my mode C transponder. I believe he's also going
> to check over the regular altimeter etc.
>
> He says he'll beat the price an FBO would charge. What's a fair
> fee for having this work done?
>
> Thanks,
> Ken Davy
> N1701S
> Classic IV Rotax 912
>
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| Subject: | Re: Thoughts on stall warning device?? |
On Aug 10, 2007, at 5:22 PM, SUE MICHAELS wrote:
> What is being used for a stall warning device that works good and does
> not empty my wallet?
On my model 3, the best stall warning is the popping of the turtledeck.
I have been wondering what was that noise as I entered a stall and
asked the list. I finally found out: The turtledeck flexes as the air
delaminates over it and it makes a popping sound. ... mind you, it's a
poor warning system since you already stall when you hear it.
Michel Verheughe
Norway
Kitfox 3 - Jabiru 2200
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| Subject: | Re: Control Cables |
I used the 7x19 SS, and had fork fittings swaged onto the rear ends
of the cables.
Lynn Matteson
Grass Lake, Michigan
Kitfox IV Speedster w/Jabiru 2200
flying w/369+ hrs
On Aug 4, 2007, at 8:54 PM, Dan Billingsley wrote:
> I've decided to replace my rudder control cables as they came with
> the kit already nicopressed from the previous owner. Since I didn't
> do them and my life is litterally in the balance of (were they done
> correctly or not?) ...I can't move forward and cover the fuselage
> until I do this. That being said...
> As I look at AC Spruce I see three options of cable type (7x7,
> 7x19,& 1x19) and then a choice of Galvinized or SS. The diameter of
> my existing cable is 3/32 and I am leaning towards the 7x19 SS.
> Does anyone know which one comes with the kit and have any good
> reasons why I should choose different?
> Always best to learn from those who have gone before :>)
> Dan B
> Mesa, AZ
> KF-IV , 912S 314DW
> www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List _-
> ===========================================================
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| Subject: | Re: Fixed or removalble wing tips? |
In my sometimes not-so-humble opinion, all metal anchor nuts far
outweigh rivnuts in a couple of ways....weight being one of
them...yes, they weigh more, but they won't ever turn once they are
riveted onto the material to which they are attached. I've been
warned against using the rivnuts if you can possibly get behind the
area where the "nut" is to be installed. If the rivnut and its screw
ever seize up, the rivnut will break loose from the backing material,
and you'll have to drill it out...IF you can get the drill to
actually drill, and not just rotate the whole business. On the other
hand, the two rivets that hold an anchor nut in place will seldom
ever shear off, should the "nut" and screw ever seize up in a similar
situation.
I installed my wingtips with the kit that Skystar sold, (John and
Debra probably have them) which included anchor nuts and attaching
strips, and I attached my windshield/skylight using the same
method...anchor nuts attached to the butt rib capstrips.
Another plus is not having to buy the Rivnut tool.
Lynn Matteson
Grass Lake, Michigan
Kitfox IV Speedster w/Jabiru 2200
flying w/369+ hrs
On Aug 7, 2007, at 1:01 PM, Michel Verheughe wrote:
>
> On Aug 7, 2007, at 6:36 PM, John W. Hart wrote:
>> it's a lot easier with removable tips.
>
> Good point, John. Now, my model 3 has drooping winglets attached by
> pop-rivets. How do I make them removable? With "rivnuts?"
> Incidentally, it was when reading the "windshield installation"
> thread that I learnt about these things. Never heard of it before.
> I am not sure where to get them over here but I see that Aircraft
> Spruce has them.
>
> Cheers,
> Michel Verheughe
> Norway
> Kitfox 3 - Jabiru 2200
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Rivnut question |
Hi Folks,
Lowell is very right (as usual), rivenuts is really not meant for
"primary" structure attachment (ref. standard practice), -nutplate is the
answer -and maybe the kind with floating nut.
Torgeir.
Kitfox Model II, 1993
Engine: Rotax 532 with B gearbox
Propeller: IVO UL 366Q
Tromsoe
NORWAY.
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On Wed, 08 Aug 2007 16:31:50 +0200, Lowell Fitt <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net>
wrote:
>
> Dave,
>
> Maybe when saying rivnuts, some mean to say nut plates. That is the way
> I will go when I do my next replacement. I find rivnuts a bit more
> challenging than nutplates and thickness of the material matters. I
> don't know how a rivnut would work with a backing and a 1/8" capstrip.
>
> If anyone has actually used rivnuts, how did you do it.
>
> Lowell
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| Subject: | Re: Thoughts on stall warning device?? |
Again I say, eyes and ears, feel. with the eyes locate or recognize the angle
that is too much, again look out the window. ears, or feel, you will hear noises
when she is ready. Really now, the plane will shake, when it gets close.
You should go up and do some stalls. What I found is if you slow the airplane
to 60 then slowly pull the stick back and bring the throttle off at the same
time, you will not get the plane to stall, it will just hang there, at least
this is true with mine. You need to actually work at getting the plane to stall,
go 60 again and pull back on the stick and get an angle of attack on the wings
first, then pull back the power, she will vibrate and then drop, make sure
the ball is centered, it will just drop straight forward. Another stall I tried
because I do this one all the time is to slow to 60 and do a 90 degree banking
turn and keep the power setting alone, supprising enough the plane turned
and just shook. So on this type of turn if you put full power and do a 90 degree
banking turn you really pull the g's and have a lot of fun, you sure turn
fast. Good for mountain flying when you get stuck in a bowl, and of course,
shoot backs on a runway.
Of course if you are just to scared to learn the stall capability, I guess you
can just get an AOA and wait for the buzzer. I find the kitfox is nible flier
and the stalls are hard to get. THen again I do have VG's on my wings also.
--------
kitfoxmike
model IV, 1200
speedster
912ul
building
RV7a
slowbuild wings, fuse, finish kit
"if you're not getting razzed from pilots or the FAA then you're not flying
enough"
Do not archive
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=128548#128548
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| Subject: | Re: Thoughts on stall warning device?? |
Just to add another data point; My kitfox will stall with no buffeting in any configuration.
The angle of attack is quite high without the flaps but much less
so with flaps. Stall recovery is typical with just releasing back pressure on
the stick.
On the other hand, If you're more comfortable with a stall warning then get one.
Don't let anyone shame you out of it.
--------
Luis Rodriguez
Model IV 1200
Rotax 912UL
Flying Weekly
Laurens, SC (34A)
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| Subject: | Thoughts on stall warning device?? |
Gentle buffeting on the wings works for me. Seriously I have never
seen a
stall horn in a Kitfox... then again I've only seen a few foxes.
Because I
have only flown the plane on floats and I did have getting enough
altitude
to feel safe wit a stall I have yet to stall it. I keep a good eye on
my
airspeed before flare and make sure I have lots of speed before climb
out.
I'm sure with out the 100 or so plus pounds slung a couple of feet below
the
belly of the plane acting like a great pendulum the plane would be a lot
faster reacting than it is on floats.
Noel
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of SUE
MICHAELS
Sent: Friday, August 10, 2007 12:53 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Thoughts on stall warning device??
What is being used for a stall warning device that works good and does
not
empty my wallet?
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| Subject: | Re: Kingfox tires |
I have only taxied my plane on wheels. The crowd over at the Avid site,
before I found this site, recommended 6psi for my tundra tires. They are
huge in comparison to the tires on your Arrow but are dwarfed by the King
Fox tires. They feel rock hard with as little as 8psi. I have been told
they are safe to fly with as little as 4psi. The important thing is both
tires have the same pressure.
Your tires would be considered low for a DC8 but just right for your Arrow.
Go to U-Tube and search "kitfoxflyer" you will see the advantages of the
tundra tires.
Noel
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
> Michael Gibbs
> Sent: Friday, August 10, 2007 12:52 PM
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Kingfox tires
>
>
> <MichaelGibbs@cox.net>
>
> Noel asks:
>
> >Are the tires on your Piper Turbo Arrow III low pressure?? That
> >would make a difference.
>
> Recommended pressure for the mains is 30 psi and the nose wheel is 27
> psi. Is that low pressure?
>
> Mike G.
> List Mom
> Model IV-1200, N728KF
> Phoenix, AZ
>
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| Subject: | Re: Thoughts on stall warning device?? |
Here's a cheap simple stall warning from Aircraft Spruce:
http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/inpages/redstallwarner.php
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Luis Rodriguez
Model IV 1200
Rotax 912UL
Flying Weekly
Laurens, SC (34A)
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Anyone recognize this airplane. Hey Lynn is this your baby? Nice paint job.
N369LM-1
Roger McConnell, Duncan, OK
Model 7 Trigear, Rotax 912uls
Flying sense Jan. 06
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| Subject: | Re: Thoughts on stall warning device?? |
How far aft of the leading edge did you install the VG's? I'm going to
install them on mine Model IV 1200. The propaganda that came with them
suggests 10% of chord aft of the leading edge, and was curious if others had
a better suggestion.
John Hart
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of kitfoxmike
Sent: Friday, August 10, 2007 6:10 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Thoughts on stall warning device??
"THen again I do have VG's on my wings also."
--------
kitfoxmike
model IV, 1200
speedster
912ul
building
RV7a
slowbuild wings, fuse, finish kit
"if you're not getting razzed from pilots or the FAA then you're not
flying enough"
Do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Thoughts on stall warning device?? |
I agree with Louis. Don't let any one, especially me, shame you out of
installing a warning system if you feel more comfortable just having it
there.
Noel
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of wingnut
> Sent: Friday, August 10, 2007 10:05 PM
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Thoughts on stall warning device??
>
>
>
> Just to add another data point; My kitfox will stall with no
> buffeting in any configuration. The angle of attack is quite
> high without the flaps but much less so with flaps. Stall
> recovery is typical with just releasing back pressure on the stick.
>
> On the other hand, If you're more comfortable with a stall
> warning then get one. Don't let anyone shame you out of it.
>
> --------
> Luis Rodriguez
> Model IV 1200
> Rotax 912UL
> Flying Weekly
> Laurens, SC (34A)
>
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> Read this topic online here:
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> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=128557#128557
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| Subject: | Re: Thoughts on stall warning device?? |
Luis:
How would you mount that device?? The leading edge of the kitfox is the
front spar. Even mounting a remote vane switch could be a problem.
Noel
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of wingnut
> Sent: Friday, August 10, 2007 10:15 PM
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Thoughts on stall warning device??
>
>
>
> Here's a cheap simple stall warning from Aircraft Spruce:
> http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/inpages/redstallwarner.php
>
> --------
> Luis Rodriguez
> Model IV 1200
> Rotax 912UL
> Flying Weekly
> Laurens, SC (34A)
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| Subject: | Fixed or removalble wing tips? |
There is a special tool that helps in the spacing of the holes for the
anchor nut ;-) Hard to get away form "special" tools.
Noel
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
> Lynn Matteson
> Sent: Friday, August 10, 2007 7:07 PM
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Fixed or removalble wing tips?
>
>
>
> In my sometimes not-so-humble opinion, all metal anchor nuts far
> outweigh rivnuts in a couple of ways....weight being one of
> them...yes, they weigh more, but they won't ever turn once they are
> riveted onto the material to which they are attached. I've been
> warned against using the rivnuts if you can possibly get behind the
> area where the "nut" is to be installed. If the rivnut and its screw
> ever seize up, the rivnut will break loose from the backing
> material,
> and you'll have to drill it out...IF you can get the drill to
> actually drill, and not just rotate the whole business. On the other
> hand, the two rivets that hold an anchor nut in place will seldom
> ever shear off, should the "nut" and screw ever seize up in a
> similar
> situation.
>
> I installed my wingtips with the kit that Skystar sold, (John and
> Debra probably have them) which included anchor nuts and attaching
> strips, and I attached my windshield/skylight using the same
> method...anchor nuts attached to the butt rib capstrips.
>
> Another plus is not having to buy the Rivnut tool.
>
> Lynn Matteson
> Grass Lake, Michigan
> Kitfox IV Speedster w/Jabiru 2200
> flying w/369+ hrs
>
>
> On Aug 7, 2007, at 1:01 PM, Michel Verheughe wrote:
>
> <michel@online.no>
> >
> > On Aug 7, 2007, at 6:36 PM, John W. Hart wrote:
> >> it's a lot easier with removable tips.
> >
> > Good point, John. Now, my model 3 has drooping winglets
> attached by
> > pop-rivets. How do I make them removable? With "rivnuts?"
> > Incidentally, it was when reading the "windshield installation"
> > thread that I learnt about these things. Never heard of it before.
> > I am not sure where to get them over here but I see that Aircraft
> > Spruce has them.
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Michel Verheughe
> > Norway
> > Kitfox 3 - Jabiru 2200
> >
> >
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| Subject: | Re: Thoughts on stall warning device?? |
[quote="Float Flyr"]
How would you mount that device?? The leading edge of the kitfox is the
front spar. Even mounting a remote vane switch could be a problem.
> --
No idea really. I didn't build mine so I have no idea what's under the skin. That's
just an example that I picked out from a quick search on AircraftSpruce.
It at least shows that a stall warning doesn't have to be expensive. You don't
need a full up AOA. Hopefully someone with build experience will chime in here.
--------
Luis Rodriguez
Model IV 1200
Rotax 912UL
Flying Weekly
Laurens, SC (34A)
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=128576#128576
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| Subject: | Fuel Line Tubing |
Subject: Kitfox-List: Fuel Line Tubing
From: "DanM" <danm@gangnailtruss.com>
I'm getting ready to install the fuel lines from the
wing tanks to the
header tank.
Dan, when I replaced mine a year ago, I used fule line
from a place that sells snowmobiles, ATV's and
motorcycles. It has yellowed a bit in the year, but
not deteriorated despite lots of gas through it. We
have alcohol in our car gas in CA.
John Allen
Kitfox IV Speedster w/ 912UL @ O70
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| Subject: | New and seeking info !! |
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On
Behalf Of Keithc
Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2007 10:12 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: New and seeking info !!
I am new to this group. I have recently purchased a
partially complete
series 4-1200.
Contact John & Debra McBean at www.kitfoxaircraft.com.
Even though their website may not indicate it, they
can supply parts and (at least certain) manuals for
older kitfoxes to get them into the air and keep them
flying. John made flaperons for my Model IV a couple
of years ago. They would be tricky to make yourself
and are a critical part.
John Allen
Kitfox IV Speedster @ O70
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